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Noventa
06-19-2018, 06:57 PM
I started to play after a while and I noticed gold has become much more important. I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer. Any strategies on gold farming?


Not counting accrued SOT via rewards or timer countdown, or gold from selling reward items such as talismans or shards.....

Powerslave (Madness):
80 SOT / 4 SOT per run = 20 runs * ~6958 = ~139,160 Gold for every 80 SOT

A Matter of Life or Death (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~8789 = ~140,624 Gold for every 80 SOT

Number of the Beast (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~9335 = ~149,360 Gold for every 80 SOT

They are all relatively close. Powerslave runs tend to go the quickest averaging about 45 seconds and they are the easiest if you don't have high powered characters. AMoLoD and NotB average about 1 minute per run (1 hit kills except the Beast) but they do take more powerful characters.

There's little reason to run AMoLoD over Powerslave for Gold. AMoLoD is better if you also need the evo runes or stones... but for Gold, Powerslave is faster, easier, and pays out about the same amount.

I haven't found a team to auto-farm NotB without Alexander Eddie. None of the other Eddies will survive every time in NotB - some will do well, but anything other than Alex Ed will lose NotB occasionally on auto-replay. Alex Ed never loses NotB.

druid138
06-19-2018, 07:00 PM
Powerslave and Number of the Beast have the best gold to Ironite spent ratio. Personally, I farm Powerslave because a lone FotD can take care of it, allowing me to level up any other four characters in the process.

Edit: Ironite spent refers to the net amount of Ironite spent for a SoT refill. It's 30 Ironite minus whatever Ironite the level drops throughout the refill. Powerslave only costs 4 SoT and returns a lot of SoT and Ironite.

GrimDusk
06-19-2018, 07:40 PM
A Matter of Life and Death also does pretty well, but the AI can mess it up due to Beelzebub going invisible. NoTB is extremely difficult, as it will require your characters to have immunity to not die to the amount of negative effects The Beast will throw at you.

rags-6094
06-19-2018, 07:47 PM
A Matter of Life and Death also does pretty well, but the AI can mess it up due to Beelzebub going invisible. NoTB is extremely difficult, as it will require your characters to have immunity to not die to the amount of negative effects The Beast will throw at you.

That's so true! Even the primordial talismans don't save you, what is it with that? the 6 set has no effect against the beast in notb and the dragon in bnw?

Yup
06-19-2018, 07:53 PM
NotB Madness if you can do it. Highest gold payout per run at 9K+. I get around a quarter million Gold for each full 80SOT.

Ip4
06-19-2018, 07:58 PM
hmmm...i read today that someone play NoTB on autoplay,i think that's not possible...

powerslave is good for 50 troopers,AMOLED is good for 3 star evo shard(white)

Yup
06-19-2018, 08:02 PM
I auto-replay NotB madness all day log, Ip4.

All you need is Alexander Eddie, really. Can do it with Clansman -- although Alex Ed will never lose, Clansman may lose 1 in 15 runs.

druid138
06-19-2018, 08:32 PM
Powerslave and Number of the Beast have the best gold to Ironite spent ratio. Personally, I farm Powerslave because a lone FotD can take care of it, allowing me to level up any other four characters in the process.

Edit: Ironite spent refers to the net amount of Ironite spent for a SoT refill. It's 30 Ironite minus whatever Ironite the level drops throughout the refill. Powerslave only costs 4 SoT and returns a lot of SoT and Ironite.

To put some numbers behind this, I studied this in October 2017. It's possible that Ironite and SoT drops have changed since then, but I don't think they have.

Buying a refill and running exclusively PS will cost 20 net Ironite. You'll pay 30, but you'll get 10 back on average in drops. The number of runs you can do on that refill (ignoring additional runs that you get from naturally accumulating SoT) will generate 186K gold on average. So, PS can convert 100 Ironite into almost 1M gold (and that ignores additional gold you can earn from selling the talismans and/or unneeded shards / runes).

Noventa
06-19-2018, 09:40 PM
Thank yuo for answer all of them was well calculated.

Also, I need help to rebuild my characters since may of them got nerfed. I am not able to auto-win against A Matter of Life and Death and beyond with high win rate. Any advice would be good.

5* + Skill Sharded:
Soldier Eddie Grim reaper Eddie The Nomad
Harpy Allied Soldier The Prisoner

Other Notable characters:
Mummy Eddie | Fear of the Dark Eddie | Run to The Hills Eddie | Carriage Rider Eddie | Tailgunner Eddie | Troll

Amarthir
06-19-2018, 10:35 PM
If you want pure speedruns I'd go

Navigator Eddie
Magus Undead Rescuer
Gunner/Warrior Lillith

My current Powerslave team is N. Eddie with Primordial talismans, Prisoner with Primordial talismans and Magus Undead Rescuer with Comet and Predator talismans.

I can hit roughly 20 seconds or more with this team on a good run. As for AMOLAD or NotB, I don't really go there for grinding but I'm pretty sure my team will work for AMOLAD

Noventa
06-19-2018, 11:10 PM
If you want pure speedruns I'd go

Navigator Eddie
Magus Undead Rescuer
Gunner/Warrior Lillith

My current Powerslave team is N. Eddie with Primordial talismans, Prisoner with Primordial talismans and Magus Undead Rescuer with Comet and Predator talismans.

I can hit roughly 20 seconds or more with this team on a good run. As for AMOLAD or NotB, I don't really go there for grinding but I'm pretty sure my team will work for AMOLAD

I can't make VI+ sacrifices to obtain Primordials but I'll try to get Lilith and use Comet and Predator sets

Cefiar
06-19-2018, 11:30 PM
Re: Autoplay NotB... That was me.

I got one loss in about 40 runs (was my last run too). This was mainly due to Navigator Eddie (with Primordial talismans) doing random damage rather than specifics, so was slower and eventually got pummelled by The Beast over time. Was on the last round of battle with The Beast (Assassin) and he had like 20% HP left. Note that I didn't get Doomed, it was simply that the Beast did more damage to me than I did to it, and the round dragged on too long. SCR is what made the difference here, sucking up all the non-silver neg effects and dealing it back as damage if they weren't marked with Golden Immunity and then healing everyone.

FWIW: I don't bother trying to stop the effects that the Beast throws at you as much (just what the Primordial talismans give you). I simply power through them and hit the Beast for as much as I can before they trigger. Basically before you die of the doom effects he throws at you, kill the Beast.

Fastest time I've managed in NotB Madness is 1m19s. FWIW: Fastest time in AMoLaD is 37s, and in Powerslave it's 29s.

As mentioned though, I have lots of relics. Have now stepped down to AMoLaD or Powerslave till I can up my HP relic again (takes a while to get 1300 ironite), which might be good enough to settle the odds in my favour.

Cefiar
06-19-2018, 11:32 PM
If you're lucky with the Precious souls you get from fragments, you might get some 5* Sacrificial Hearts, which might allow you to get to that lvl VI sacrifice.

Yup
06-20-2018, 02:06 AM
will generate 186M gold on average

I think you might have meant 1.86 not 186. Powerslave isn't going to generate 186M for 100 ironite at 6K+ per run.

Farming NotB I get about 2.5M for 100 ironite at 9K+ per run.

druid138
06-20-2018, 02:29 AM
I think you might have meant 1.86 not 186. Powerslave isn't going to generate 186M for 100 ironite at 6K+ per run.

Farming NotB I get about 2.5M for 100 ironite at 9K+ per run.

Thanks, Yup! My mistake. I fixed my post. It should have said 186K (not 186M) gold per SoT refill, which costs 20 net Ironite. 186K comes from ~7K per run. On average, you get back 1 SoT per run, so it costs 3 net SoT per run, allowing 26.67 runs per refill. The 1M gold for 100 Ironite figure is based on the fact that you can do 5 SoT refills for 100 net Ironite (5 x 186K is a little less than 1M).

Your NotB figure of 2.5M seems high. I don't doubt that NotB gives a better gold return than PS, but I would bet that it's closer to 1M per 100 Ironite since the higher gold reward is mostly offset by the higher SoT cost.

Yup
06-20-2018, 02:55 AM
Not counting accrued SOT via rewards or timer countdown, or gold from selling reward items such as talismans or shards.....

Powerslave (Madness):
80 SOT / 4 SOT per run = 20 runs * ~6958 = ~139,160 Gold for every 80 SOT

A Matter of Life or Death (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~8789 = ~140,624 Gold for every 80 SOT

Number of the Beast (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~9335 = ~149,360 Gold for every 80 SOT

They are all relatively close. Powerslave runs tend to go the quickest averaging about 45 seconds and they are the easiest if you don't have high powered characters. AMoLoD and NotB average about 1 minute per run (1 hit kills except the Beast) but they do take more powerful characters.

There's little reason to run AMoLoD over Powerslave for Gold. AMoLoD is better if you also need the evo runes or stones... but for Gold, Powerslave is faster, easier, and pays out about the same amount.

I haven't found a team to auto-farm NotB without Alexander Eddie. None of the other Eddies will survive every time in NotB - some will do well, but anything other than Alex Ed will lose NotB occasionally on auto-replay. Alex Ed never loses NotB.

rags-6094
06-20-2018, 05:25 AM
That's good to know Yup! I do like Cef's idea of using SCR with N Eddie holding primordial talisman set.
I am reasonably well beefed up with relics now, might give that a go.
I have hardly stopped farming Amolad for the past 10 hours or so....
Surprising how long it takes for so little gain, perhaps I will return to PS now that the runes are looking a little healthier...

Thanks for the well presented gold farming stats Yup and Druid , now if there was just some way to keep that info in an easy to reach spot for future reference, it won't be long before that info is buried forever...

druid138
06-20-2018, 06:54 AM
now if there was just some way to keep that info in an easy to reach spot for future reference, it won't be long before that info is buried forever...

I hear a LotB wiki is in the works. ;)

Also, in terms of PS vs. AMOLAD vs. NotB, don't underestimate the benefit of using PS to level your characters for free. Again, a well-built FotD or Nav can easily handle PS on their own, giving you four free character slots for leveling. The savings in shards and gold can be pretty significant, especially if you take advantage of cheap double-XP deals like we have in the Store right now.

Cefiar
06-20-2018, 08:15 AM
Yeah I've gone back to farming Powerslave for the levelling aspect, esp given the stats posted earlier in the thread.

And I seem to be picking up characters I didn't have left and right. I managed to get another tier VI sacrifice (some dupe 5x eddies and a bunch of sacrificial hearts) and got 10 G/A souls plus 40 rare souls. Out of that, and subsequent sacrifices and more rare souls, and around again till i ran out of things to sacrifice, I managed to get hold of a Warrior Corrupt Rescuer, The Nomad and a Warrior Child of the Damned.

Gotta say, lately I've picked up quite a few souls that I was missing. Definitely like something has changed. Then again, I'm also going through way more souls than I used to, which might be part of it.

rags-6094
06-20-2018, 10:03 AM
Nope I reckon it's a bit both Cef!
I haven't worked so hard farming ever before to get that vortex to go off before the sac event ends, but I picked up both those new to me big gun Eddies before I started really...
I think something's changed, if only for a little while... I'm taking advantage while the goings good! I just loaded up sot with another 600 there about and am hoping to finish the vortex, hopefully that will be achieved when I wake up in the morning!

scott-5496
06-20-2018, 10:17 AM
Not counting accrued SOT via rewards or timer countdown, or gold from selling reward items such as talismans or shards.....

Powerslave (Madness):
80 SOT / 4 SOT per run = 20 runs * ~6958 = ~139,160 Gold for every 80 SOT

A Matter of Life or Death (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~8789 = ~140,624 Gold for every 80 SOT

Number of the Beast (Madness):
80 SOT / 5 SOT per run = 16 runs * ~9335 = ~149,360 Gold for every 80 SOT

They are all relatively close. Powerslave runs tend to go the quickest averaging about 45 seconds and they are the easiest if you don't have high powered characters. AMoLoD and NotB average about 1 minute per run (1 hit kills except the Beast) but they do take more powerful characters.

There's little reason to run AMoLoD over Powerslave for Gold. AMoLoD is better if you also need the evo runes or stones... but for Gold, Powerslave is faster, easier, and pays out about the same amount.

I haven't found a team to auto-farm NotB without Alexander Eddie. None of the other Eddies will survive every time in NotB - some will do well, but anything other than Alex Ed will lose NotB occasionally on auto-replay. Alex Ed never loses NotB.

I normally stick to Powerslave for the grinding side - as many have said - one fully loaded Eddie like Navigator and the other toons can be whatever you like and are great for levelling up toons. I am doing this form my two kids accounts - buy the XP*2 for gold then load up Powerslave with the AOE Eddie and two lower level toons with decent enough tallies and you rattle through them and get a lot of benefits like souls, upgrade stuff and gold not far off AMOLAD.

Yup
06-20-2018, 01:13 PM
If you're farming for sacrifice souls.. I'd farm LOL dungeons.. way more souls there.

GrimDusk
06-20-2018, 03:41 PM
I auto-replay NotB madness all day log, Ip4.

All you need is Alexander Eddie, really. Can do it with Clansman -- although Alex Ed will never lose, Clansman may lose 1 in 15 runs.

Yeah, all you need is that character that is really difficult to get for everyone else and takes forever. Dude, Alexander Eddie can't be used as an example. He's so damn difficult for casual players to get.