Primordial Talis SCREW JOB

[MaidenInk-8166]

Ok so now they are offering 300 ironite to compensate for the screw job. Sorry, but this is utter bullshit. Complete slap in the face insult. Most of us spent 15 mil or more in gold, at least 72 Yellow 3 star evo shards, enough essence to fill a vortex and that's just scratching the surface. Many people spent actual cash during the course of this, so you guys effectively stole money from us (in addition to screwing everyone over). You guys think that 300 ironite fixes that? You are fucking nuts. Everyone including Llexi knows me as a very level headed admin of one of the largest LOTB gaming groups on facebook. I always stay neutral, keep my calm and run a nice positive group of 3200+ LOTB players. A day one player as well. And you know what? This time I can not sit back and watch this happen. You guys OWE people for this screw job. 300 Iron ain't cutting it. I am calling you devs all out, every single one of you. If you guys think this is ok to do to the players that make your job and paycheck possible, you don't deserve to be employed. Your move DEVS.

[OdoyleRules]

Kind of reminds you of something else.
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[OdoyleRules]

I support his post 100%. Bugs and other things will happen, but you messed up by benefiting your BANKROLL a little more than you wanted. You sold us them and we paid for what they were. People dumped a lot of resources to get them, but then you make them 1/3 (if that) as useful. You either need to let them be where they were or take them completely off the shelf and give full refunds on the resources used. That is if you really want to spend that overhead on fixing it. 1000 Ironite would be at least admitted to a huge mistake. Not a slap in the face as this 300 ironite is.

[2Fast4Love]

#montrealscrewjob

[Liebhild]

It was a planned as fraud from the beginning, even the clowns knew, that they are op .

So the nerf was planned b4 the release.

And in the case posting here is not enough, you see only stupid excuses again, while the clowns are laughing in their office about the stupid players.

[Amarthir]

I'm actually getting pretty good at predicting what some people here are gonna say, a couple in particular I'm pretty sure they have some of these words saved for instance use or whatever lmao. Get some new material

[Kmadd69]

Damn stuff is bad when this guy is pissed. I hope the powers that be will realize that new content will be needed in July or I will forecast another mass exodus from this travesty of a game. Just sayin what I feel.

[hold]

I'm actually getting pretty good at predicting what some people here are gonna say, a couple in particular I'm pretty sure they have some of these words saved for instance use or whatever lmao. Get some new material

I am pretty good in predicting what you will say 100% of the time. You getting paid by these clowns to defend their shit work?

[nuclear1250]

"Hi Everyone!

First off, we wanted to apologize for the recent bugs and server issues players are experiencing, including the Arena Attack List not populating and Sacrifice granting more rewards than intended during the Primordial Sacrifice event.

Here’s 300 Ironite as compensation."



Do you HONESTLY think ironite is going to suddenly make everything OK? We don't want ironite, we want RESULTS, we want BUG FIXES, we want some COMMUNICATION.

That's all we want at this point, 300 ironite is basically just a giant f*ck you to the player community.

[Amarthir]

I am pretty good in predicting what you will say 100% of the time. You getting paid by these clowns to defend their shit work?

Lol I wish. Naw dude hard as you seem to think there are still people who actually like the game. And if I was getting paid by them I certainly wouldn't be telling people like you to just quit the game, I'd be like "Smile, my boy. It's sunrise." Or some boring shit.

All I've been trying to express in my recent posts is that the constant negativity is not going to magically change Nodding Frog's mind and magically make the game perfect and great all in one update. I'm well aware that the game isn't perfect at all but it's not a bad game in any means. But with a few of you in particular it's every single post you never have anything positive to say, and you don't even contribute to making the game better. You just hold on to your shitty conspiracy theories and always demand more than what the team is obviously capable of delivering in this time frame. First you bitch and cry about Primordial talismans being too strong and needing a nerf. And them literally bitching and complaining about them being nerfed and demanding compensation for it. It's no wonder that people like Sparton opted to take a break from the forums to focus on development. If I had to deal people attacking me over every new post of info I made I would have quit the forum soon after I started.
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To sum this all up, I really don't care what the naysayers have to say about this game or about me defending it. I used to like it here and this place is probably what kept me from quitting the game back in my rough patch. Now I feel like just quitting the forums and living the Nomad life in the game.

[Moonchild-6759]

To sum this all up, I really don't care what the naysayers have to say about this game or about me defending it. I used to like it here and this place is probably what kept me from quitting the game back in my rough patch. Now I feel like just quitting the forums and living the Nomad life in the game.

I very much agree with you Amarthir. This game, to me, is still worth playing. The negativity on these forums is too much, they honestly do not deserve it. I have myself been negative towards the game from time to time as i do believe some bad decisions were made. But they have actually made some improvements. When first the talismans were released they were stupidly good. Have 3 or 4 sets on your team and you were sure the opponent had exhaust on all characters and you had the "soon to be ghost-buff". Anyone who spend real money that they wouldn't otherwise have spend cannot blame NF. With the history of this game with otherpowered characters being rightfully nerfed to fit better in with the rest and not be mandatory it was to be expected that the talismans would get nerfed. Now they are down to a point were they are good, but in no sence required on any team.

We can, i hope, all agree that the arena event should not have been out before the server fix to the arena-bugs or the attack-list. But after all they fixed it, which is new, and they gave 300 ironite (aka SoW for 100 battles) which is more than what most people missed out on the day they could not play.

All in all i believe we should try and be a little positive and only be negative when it is needed. Some people seems to have some need to post negative stuff in every single post of their. I do not see the point. If you want to be negative, then write a single post with the problems as you see them and what you believe should be done to adress the issues. And do this in a constructive tone please. Yelling at people they are not good enough have never been a good way of motivating them to do better.

[rags-6094]

Perfectly said Moonchild! It just takes an attitude adjustment...
Hang in there Amarthir your positivity is appreciated!

[EnricoPalazzo]

Hey Moonchild, your reasoning for the Primordial Talismans has one flaw though: Long-term players who are still hanging around after the initial nerf wars (release an overpowered char - nerf it next update) have seen this overpower-nerf game play out a couple of times, and as such might have expected this and saved their money.
Newer players could not really have seen this coming and rightfully feel ripped off if they invested money for obtaining something they regarded as invaluable and maybe give them a fighting chance against the veterans out there, only to have it nerfed to almost insignificance. This is something that NF had stopped doing a few updates ago, but now it's back for good and will leave a lot of the players frustrated.
Not a good move. As always, testing the talismans in a handful of PVP battles before releasing them would have made it clear immediately how overpowered they are. Even reading the Talisman description, I could see the nerf coming, and I'm sure I was not the only one - as you just described.

[Moonchild-6759]

Hey Moonchild, your reasoning for the Primordial Talismans has one flaw though: Long-term players who are still hanging around after the initial nerf wars (release an overpowered char - nerf it next update) have seen this overpower-nerf game play out a couple of times, and as such might have expected this and saved their money.
Newer players could not really have seen this coming and rightfully feel ripped off if they invested money for obtaining something they regarded as invaluable and maybe give them a fighting chance against the veterans out there, only to have it nerfed to almost insignificance. This is something that NF had stopped doing a few updates ago, but now it's back for good and will leave a lot of the players frustrated.
Not a good move. As always, testing the talismans in a handful of PVP battles before releasing them would have made it clear immediately how overpowered they are. Even reading the Talisman description, I could see the nerf coming, and I'm sure I was not the only one - as you just described.

Good point about the new players. No idea why but i had not thought about the fact that is has been quite a while since they've done the release->nerf thing. Thanks.

[Sick]

I would like to agree with Moonchild, but there is one little thing. The arena bugs are still there. And as Kaz said in another post, they can only be solved after the event. I don't think that it is unfair to criticize this. Of course I am completely with you about the "constructive tone". Getting personal here doesn't help anybody. I guess even the devs would like to have this game bug free.

[hold]

Lol I wish. Naw dude hard as you seem to think there are still people who actually like the game. And if I was getting paid by them I certainly wouldn't be telling people like you to just quit the game, I'd be like "Smile, my boy. It's sunrise." Or some boring shit.

All I've been trying to express in my recent posts is that the constant negativity is not going to magically change Nodding Frog's mind and magically make the game perfect and great all in one update. I'm well aware that the game isn't perfect at all but it's not a bad game in any means. But with a few of you in particular it's every single post you never have anything positive to say, and you don't even contribute to making the game better. You just hold on to your shitty conspiracy theories and always demand more than what the team is obviously capable of delivering in this time frame. First you bitch and cry about Primordial talismans being too strong and needing a nerf. And them literally bitching and complaining about them being nerfed and demanding compensation for it. It's no wonder that people like Sparton opted to take a break from the forums to focus on development. If I had to deal people attacking me over every new post of info I made I would have quit the forum soon after I started.
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To sum this all up, I really don't care what the naysayers have to say about this game or about me defending it. I used to like it here and this place is probably what kept me from quitting the game back in my rough patch. Now I feel like just quitting the forums and living the Nomad life in the game.

Ah, you are one of the people "I only hear what I want to hear!" Because I am complaining basically that they never test their shit and using players as Alpha testers from start.

I am still waiting for one update that isn't a screw up. But as long as the sheep following why should they change? Have fun living in your bubble of joy while some fraudsters taking advantage of this naivety! They don't have to take responsibility for their actions if the sheep let them!

P.s. if it wouldn't be for me we still wouldn't know the odds of the souls ... And they forgot again to put up the odds for the Nile souls. Not that we know anyway now what's in it but that shows the sloppiness of this company that is in full contrast to the quality of Iron Maiden we are used to as fans. \m/

[hold]

What is wrong with some people here? They launch an arena event with known list bugs and completely underpowered servers!

Constant errors are not the exception! I really would love to like the game in the Maiden universe that's why I'm still around. But how this company is acting is not acceptable and I will continue bitching until they change their attitude and start taking responsibility for their fuck ups.

[OdoyleRules]

Nerfing skills, talismans, and characters will always happen. The issue with this last one is that it wasn't a nerf because the Talismans were too powerful, it was because they fucked up their programming and the Talismans were too easy to get. I grabbed 5 sets on 2 vortex fills. NF's idea of fixing their own fuck up is to make them weaker. This is a major concern, because we know they are very capable of fucking up the programming.

[Skuller66]

The problem was that the talismans were out of line. The effect was too strong even for a 6-set. Add that to people getting more then was intended to be obtained and we get an arena meta that requires you to have 2 or 3 sets. It's stale and it's unbalanced if you couldn't get that many.
With the nerf they brought the sets to a reasonable strength and made them optional for your arena teams. And the difference between optional and mandatory is a very, VERY important one.

Hell, even the bug was unfair, considering it took me 2 vortexes to get one set.
But I think that is what was originally intended. In came the bug and people got fuck tons of sets. Now that the nerf is through, I'm still fine and I'm excited to find a team that will utilise this set to it's best.

And as for the stealing argument.
Nobody forced the players' hands to spend a dime. If you spend money on the game it's on you.

Also to go back to a previous comment, the concern about new players would be reasonable, but the outcry is not from newbies, but instead mostly long-term players.

As you can tell I'm also fed up with all the constant negativity.
Were it not for my need for troopers I would rather just not engage with the community.

[TheAlbatross-1864]

I used to play Destiny a lot and was active on the forums quite a bit and it was always the same thing. People whining and complaining left and right. Literally what happens here seems to happen everywhere in the gaming discussion world so im used to seeing it. Its reasonable to an extent sure, but it quickly crosses over to the territory of entitlement. Take your free ironite and play the dang game, shit happens. Nothing is perfect. You get free f’n ironite at least. Dont want it? Wanna boycott it? Then dont take the free ironite. If you have already taken it and are still complaining... stop. No matter what some things are never enough for some people. If they gave out every eddie in the game to everyone i swear people would still complain they werent given enough.

[hold]

I used to play Destiny a lot and was active on the forums quite a bit and it was always the same thing. People whining and complaining left and right. Literally what happens here seems to happen everywhere in the gaming discussion world so im used to seeing it. Its reasonable to an extent sure, but it quickly crosses over to the territory of entitlement. Take your free ironite and play the dang game, shit happens. Nothing is perfect. You get free f’n ironite at least. Dont want it? Wanna boycott it? Then dont take the free ironite. If you have already taken it and are still complaining... stop. No matter what some things are never enough for some people. If they gave out every eddie in the game to everyone i swear people would still complain they werent given enough.

Was Destiny so bug infested and unstable like this one? Did they fuck up every single update?

You do realize that this thread is not about been given enough? Because the general consensus about this one is: Roll everything back because you fucked it up very badly.

[Amarthir]

I see no more point in arguing with you people. Love that quip about you and the soul chances. I'm sure you're the real hero of your own story.

[hold]

I see no more point in arguing with you people. Love that quip about you and the soul chances. I'm sure you're the real hero of your own story.

I wouldn't enjoy arguing if I wouldn't have any arguments apart from "lmao", "lol" and "all good the devs are great and doing nothing wrong"

Soul chances: do your research that you love so much if you think it's in your favor. Have fun in your bubble and I hope it won't burst for a while!

Sheep are born as sheep and will be eaten by wolfs eventually. Shepherds need to be loud to keep the wolves away and protect the simple minded sheep.

[Leandrium]

I wouldn't enjoy arguing if I wouldn't have any arguments apart from "lmao", "lol" and "all good the devs are great and doing nothing wrong"

Soul chances: do your research that you love so much if you think it's in your favor. Have fun in your bubble and I hope it won't burst for a while!

Sheep are born as sheep and will be eaten by wolfs eventually. Shepherds need to be loud to keep the wolves away and protect the simple minded sheep.

And? Oh hey everyone get on your knees and praise our savior hold he give us the soul chance!!!
I think the point of Amarthir its true. You dont like the game? Okey, dont play it. The system of bug-update or overpower->nerf it does not seem to change and it will not.
I complain in like three reply about the game, but again and again im starting the game from zero and its really funnny. Some events, get your characters, try new strategies. I do not know what you expect, maybe make the game 10/10, yeah, we all want that but that not gonna happen and you,me, and everyone here knows it.
Maybe hola, just maybe, you need to relax and maybe,just maybe you need to be free from this adictive R(oulette)NG game
Youre not an sheep, youre not an wolf and neither an sheperd, leave that ego away, youre here complaining about a movil game!!!! Thats makes you better? Or smarter? Really that gives you satisfaction?

[Iced_Earth]

hold takes the game too serious. really, get a life m8 - so much and only negativity. it was obvious that they nerf this set. had a funny time, while it was op. and the nerf was fine, this set is still worth and strong to play with it. im with amarthir.
i cant get it, why peoply burn everything to get those sets multiple times. you know it, that they dont work as intented.

[hold]

And? Oh hey everyone get on your knees and praise our savior hold he give us the soul chance!!!
I think the point of Amarthir its true. You dont like the game? Okey, dont play it. The system of bug-update or overpower->nerf it does not seem to change and it will not.
I complain in like three reply about the game, but again and again im starting the game from zero and its really funnny. Some events, get your characters, try new strategies. I do not know what you expect, maybe make the game 10/10, yeah, we all want that but that not gonna happen and you,me, and everyone here knows it.
Maybe hola, just maybe, you need to relax and maybe,just maybe you need to be free from this adictive R(oulette)NG game
Youre not an sheep, youre not an wolf and neither an sheperd, leave that ego away, youre here complaining about a movil game!!!! Thats makes you better? Or smarter? Really that gives you satisfaction?

Yes and No - I am complaining about a company that thinks it gets away with fraud! That's a big difference.

I had such a massive go on the soul chances and did file a complaint to Apple because the company advertised with a language to prey on gambling addicts.

Now they sold a product that they knew they would nerf -> fraud. I hate fraud ... I really do and I hate taking advantage of addictions. I love Maiden otherwise I would be long gone ... I only wait what the 2nd birthday of this slot machine brings. Maybe it's as good as the first X-mas (fuck all).

[hold]

hold takes the game too serious. really, get a life m8 - so much and only negativity. it was obvious that they nerf this set. had a funny time, while it was op. and the nerf was fine, this set is still worth and strong to play with it. im with amarthir.
i cant get it, why peoply burn everything to get those sets multiple times. you know it, that they dont work as intented.

Take the Maiden brand away and ask yourself: would you accept any other product that you have put money in with that level of quality?

But enough for today - when my work day is done (early today) my Legacy of the Bugs day also finishes

[Liebhild]

If some here don't like negative posts, don't read them or leave the forum (same logic like leave the game).

[Fudjo]

If some here don't like negative posts, don't read them or leave the forum (same logic like leave the game).

Another option is to add people like Liebhild and Hold to your ignore list. Go to their profile and click on "Add to Ignore List".

[Amarthir]

Another option is to add people like Liebhild and Hold to your ignore list. Go to their profile and click on "Add to Ignore List".

Woah they have that? That's awesome lmao.

[Moonchild-6759]

Another option is to add people like Liebhild and Hold to your ignore list. Go to their profile and click on "Add to Ignore List".

I did not know that - done. Thanks a lot.

[Purplepixii]

Ok so now they are offering 300 ironite to compensate for the screw job. Sorry, but this is utter bullshit. Complete slap in the face insult. Most of us spent 15 mil or more in gold, at least 72 Yellow 3 star evo shards, enough essence to fill a vortex and that's just scratching the surface. Many people spent actual cash during the course of this, so you guys effectively stole money from us (in addition to screwing everyone over). You guys think that 300 ironite fixes that? You are fucking nuts. Everyone including Llexi knows me as a very level headed admin of one of the largest LOTB gaming groups on facebook. I always stay neutral, keep my calm and run a nice positive group of 3200+ LOTB players. A day one player as well. And you know what? This time I can not sit back and watch this happen. You guys OWE people for this screw job. 300 Iron ain't cutting it. I am calling you devs all out, every single one of you. If you guys think this is ok to do to the players that make your job and paycheck possible, you don't deserve to be employed. Your move DEVS.


Amen blood brother! NF royally f*cked us over & 300 ironite is a slap in the face. The talismans are a special 6-set so there are few characters they’re suited to and many put a lot of time, effort & decent characters into getting them. We have every right to be pissed at the nerf & the pathetic 300 ironite “ compensation”.

Iron Maiden are the greatest band ever, and having their name associated with this crap is a tragedy.

[GrimDusk]

Lol I wish. Naw dude hard as you seem to think there are still people who actually like the game. And if I was getting paid by them I certainly wouldn't be telling people like you to just quit the game, I'd be like "Smile, my boy. It's sunrise." Or some boring shit.

All I've been trying to express in my recent posts is that the constant negativity is not going to magically change Nodding Frog's mind and magically make the game perfect and great all in one update. I'm well aware that the game isn't perfect at all but it's not a bad game in any means. But with a few of you in particular it's every single post you never have anything positive to say, and you don't even contribute to making the game better. You just hold on to your shitty conspiracy theories and always demand more than what the team is obviously capable of delivering in this time frame. First you bitch and cry about Primordial talismans being too strong and needing a nerf. And them literally bitching and complaining about them being nerfed and demanding compensation for it. It's no wonder that people like Sparton opted to take a break from the forums to focus on development. If I had to deal people attacking me over every new post of info I made I would have quit the forum soon after I started.
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To sum this all up, I really don't care what the naysayers have to say about this game or about me defending it. I used to like it here and this place is probably what kept me from quitting the game back in my rough patch. Now I feel like just quitting the forums and living the Nomad life in the game.

Yeah, I'm with Amarthir. You guys whine way too much sometimes. As someone who only got 3 out of 6 primordial Talismans, I can say that it was bullshit to fight against people who had multiple sets at once. It was unstoppable. The nerf hasn't exactly made them unusable, either. They're still pretty good, and are currently one of the best talisman sets in the game. They lost access to a few effects, ones which I fucking hated dealing with in the arena (Soul Protect and Nightmare). Just be glad that they actually work and that you guys could get them at all. Some of us never got to finish our sets.

[edsel]

Most entertaining thread. Passionate players. From a perspective of getting the vortex bug 2 times in the first couple minutes of event these were the most fun for a week, running r sets in arena getting over 30 wins in a row over and over with a 73% defense stat- what a ride. Blasting through teams and characters that I would avoid in the past. More fun than I have had in a long time. They are not like this anymore, 1 set on Prisoner is fine balance now. But what a run it was. Worth every expense. And this thread shows how many take this game seriously like myself. A great outlet and worth playing. Bring on the next wave of craziness, it may have chased some away but it is what keeps me from leaving. Good times troopers.

[Yup]

Bitch bitch bitch.. but continue playing.. are you really that bothered by anything in the "game"?

If my girlfriend pokes me int eh eye every time I see here.. I quit seeing her.

In other words shit or get off the pot. :)

[jeff-3007]

Most entertaining thread. Passionate players. From a perspective of getting the vortex bug 2 times in the first couple minutes of event these were the most fun for a week, running r sets in arena getting over 30 wins in a row over and over with a 73% defense stat- what a ride. Blasting through teams and characters that I would avoid in the past. More fun than I have had in a long time. They are not like this anymore, 1 set on Prisoner is fine balance now. But what a run it was. Worth every expense. And this thread shows how many take this game seriously like myself. A great outlet and worth playing. Bring on the next wave of craziness, it may have chased some away but it is what keeps me from leaving. Good times troopers.

Well said. I got 2 sets but only equipped 1 on Prisoner and it seemed like I could not lose. Racked up plenty of Iron Coins and had a ball with the winning streak. There was no way this was going to last. These tals are still a game changer imo with the right set up. I’ve moved on and look forward to what’s next.

[MaidenInk-8166]

You quit seeing her because you are blind from being poked in the eye. :p


Bitch bitch bitch.. but continue playing.. are you really that bothered by anything in the "game"?

If my girlfriend pokes me int eh eye every time I see here.. I quit seeing her.

In other words shit or get off the pot. :)

[MaidenInk-8166]

Most of you guys are missing the point completely. The point is they advertised a set of talis which players obtained, then they basically changed their minds. That's not ok. Do you guys really think it's fair to advertise a set of talis that include a certain set of powers only to take them away days later? People spent 15 mil on gold, 72 evo shards, and enough essence to fill a vortex and in some cases more. What about people that spent actual cash to obtain/max these? You guys think it's ok they are out money? Had the talis been advertised with the set of powers they currently have, a lot of us would not have bothered.

And you can not ignore this either........If this was really a situation of being overpowered and creating an imbalance the nerf would not have happened within days. To see/understand if a tali or character is overpowered and creating an imbalance you have to see how it effects arena over a period of time. You have to see if people figure out a way to work around or a way to neutralize the tali or character. No way that assessment gets done in days, you are kidding yourselves. This was a knee jerk reaction to accidentally handing out too many talis. There are other talis that do similar things that have not been nerfed like this so that tells me something. In my experience with this game since day one, if you think a character or tali is overpowered it's because you are not clever enough to figure out how to work around it.

And if you guys don't agree or don't care, then move on. If are ok with it, no worries I don't care. More power to you. No need to fight with those of us who feel ripped off here. If you are ok with giving away your characters and supplies for nothing then just ignore and move on.

[Yorick5270]

Add me to the list of pissed off players.

[Askora]

It only took looking at the description to know they were OP. Add to that the number of people who suddenly excelled in the arena where they hadn't before and it's more obvious. They're still extremely powerful, especially given that they can bypass immunity.

What you should be complaining about is lack of new content, arena remaining broken for so long. That's what's driven many of the top players away. If all the top players were still in the game, no doubt they'd have those talismans and people still wouldn't be able to compete with them.

NF nerfing something is nothing new. The smart strategy is not to spend ALL your resources on each new meta. It will change as it always does, this one just happened a little quicker than most.

[Lord Schmeb]

I’ve gone thru maybe 100 matches and didn’t realize they’d been changed. Soooo... either I’m an idiot, which, granted, is more than likely, or they’re still pretty bad ass.

The only thing that’s negatively rubbing my rubarb is that I didn’t get free ironite/SOW — how/where does one find this hidden trove?

[edsel]

I’ve gone thru maybe 100 matches and didn’t realize they’d been changed. Soooo... either I’m an idiot, which, granted, is more than likely, or they’re still pretty bad ass.

The only thing that’s negatively rubbing my rubarb is that I didn’t get free ironite/SOW — how/where does one find this hidden trove?

http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?10332-June-25th-Iron-Gift-amp-Issues-Update

[Chaosego888]

Most of you guys are missing the point completely. The point is they advertised a set of talis which players obtained, then they basically changed their minds. That's not ok. Do you guys really think it's fair to advertise a set of talis that include a certain set of powers only to take them away days later? People spent 15 mil on gold, 72 evo shards, and enough essence to fill a vortex and in some cases more. What about people that spent actual cash to obtain/max these? You guys think it's ok they are out money? Had the talis been advertised with the set of powers they currently have, a lot of us would not have bothered.

And you can not ignore this either........If this was really a situation of being overpowered and creating an imbalance the nerf would not have happened within days. To see/understand if a tali or character is overpowered and creating an imbalance you have to see how it effects arena over a period of time. You have to see if people figure out a way to work around or a way to neutralize the tali or character. No way that assessment gets done in days, you are kidding yourselves. This was a knee jerk reaction to accidentally handing out too many talis. There are other talis that do similar things that have not been nerfed like this so that tells me something. In my experience with this game since day one, if you think a character or tali is overpowered it's because you are not clever enough to figure out how to work around it.

And if you guys don't agree or don't care, then move on. If are ok with it, no worries I don't care. More power to you. No need to fight with those of us who feel ripped off here. If you are ok with giving away your characters and supplies for nothing then just ignore and move on.I agree with everything you've said here 100%. It's false advertisement and 300 ironite for compensation is a joke. I'm not hurting for resources and materials so time and effort is all is lost with me. The biggest problem I see here is the fact that they release something powerful as hell before there are enough counters for it. I have the neccesary characters and relics to counter them so the talismans themselves are not as overwhelming as people think. According to the general consensus in the forum, Every new Character, Talisman or whatever is one of two things, either OP or completely useless so I agree that more time than a few days should have been allowed to see how this played out. From my experience, the attempted nerf actually turned out to be a buff because 100% critical strike just shows up a lot more and it's not hard to figure out how to manipulate that in your favor. It would have just been a hell of a lot more sensible just to remove exhaust, 100% critical strike and the abilty to stack multiple talismans. Ghost & Shroud were annoying but didn't make them stronger. I agree that they have sort of ruined the arena for the time being. I can use the same team against pretty much anything so little thought is required and that definitely needs to be addressed soon.

[MaidenInk-8166]

Thanks man. And for sure these were pretty easily countered. My win rate didn't really drop off, it took me some matches to figure out how to work around the talis but once that was done it wasn't that big of a deal.

And can anyone refresh my memory here, has anything in game history ever been nerfed within days? I really don't recall that ever happening before.

[MaidenInk-8166]

Just so you know I will now be adding "negatively rubbing my rubarb" to my everyday vocabulary. Hilarious.



I’ve gone thru maybe 100 matches and didn’t realize they’d been changed. Soooo... either I’m an idiot, which, granted, is more than likely, or they’re still pretty bad ass.

The only thing that’s negatively rubbing my rubarb is that I didn’t get free ironite/SOW — how/where does one find this hidden trove?

[kkkreg5]

Thanks for posting this MaidenInk. I benefited from the bug and did not power up a set so I basically got the best of both worlds. The biggest issue I have with NF is the lack of testing in order to turn a buck. We are the crash test dummies. I definitely agree that 300 ironite was not enough to compensate those that spent real cash but we all know that it is what it is. No one is forcing us to play. As many have stated before, if it wasn't for the Maiden name, I never would have picked it up. It's a shame to see all the potential wasted.

[Rodrigo-3281]

I agree with you 100% MaidenInk. The biggest issue I see, and what is being lost in this whole discussion, is the resources (and in some cases cash) lost to acquire the talismans are nowhere near close to the "compensation" of 300 ironite. The nerf announcement came way after the fact that a bunch of players decided to use the necessary resources to acquire them which didn't come cheap. Yes, this is just a game and one can stop playing it and yadda yadda yadda but this amounts to a very deceitful business decision.

[jeottum]

Pretty much everything Maidenink said I agree with. I did not spend real money on this, have spent more than enough for other things. But pretty discouraging to upgrade two full sets only to be nerfed.

I know this has been said before, just a game...but this just simply makes me think more about spending real $.

[Mizrael]

I was lucky enough to get 4 sets without having to spend real money, but that doesn’t mean that i didn’t put any resources and LOTS of time into getting them (i don’t recall seeing any bugs, just hard work).

So lets compare what i have spent:

-20M gold=100CHF (a value of 4000 ironite)

-around 12 skill shards to rush a sacrifice and up GGS and GNewborn=they usually sell a 3 pack for what? 40CHF? (so a value of around 6000 ironite)

-countless amount of G/A,Rare,common souls=unknown $$$ value

So that sums up to way over 10 000 ironite and i’ve got 300 back...

It’s not even about the money or any resources! it’s about the MORAL value! that they screwed the customers and get away with it by just calling it a bug!? the set itself was not a BUG but a poor design idea (like most of the sets and chars created by the NerF team)!

All you wannabe fanboys should stop eating those antidepressants or extasy or whatever you take and look at the facts: We as customers were screwed once again and we will just look away and carry on. there’s no need to talk about how great this game is and how much fun you,as an individual, are having. This is not some amateur freemium game led by a 2 man army, so such cock ups shouldn’t be accepted so easily...

PS: I’m not even being negative...just expect some good customer service as i would in any other aspect in my life.

[Fudjo]

I was lucky enough to get 4 sets without having to spend real money, but that doesn’t mean that i didn’t put any resources and LOTS of time into getting them (i don’t recall seeing any bugs, just hard work).

So lets compare what i have spent:

-20M gold=100CHF (a value of 4000 ironite)

-around 12 skill shards to rush a sacrifice and up GGS and GNewborn=they usually sell a 3 pack for what? 40CHF? (so a value of around 6000 ironite)

-countless amount of G/A,Rare,common souls=unknown $$$ value

So that sums up to way over 10 000 ironite and i’ve got 300 back...

I got 4 sets of Primordials without spending money, either. My plan:

- Spent the past several months farming on Powerslave.

- Racked up half a dozen Yellow Bats in that event.

- Saved up a handful of dupe Eternal and Trooper soul toons, as well as a bunch of 4-star toons.

- Spent very little gold on leveling up toons, but rather leveling them up to full as part of the Powerslave auto-farming.

- Daily 1-3 star sacrifices until I was about to trigger the Vortex.

- Then when the Primoridal sacrifice event started, I ended up firing off 3 Grand Sacrifices and an Ultimate Sacrifice, plus triggered two Vortex rewards.

That got me 25 Primordial talismans and a sack of skill shards. I've leveled up two sets of Primordials and I haven't yet figured out what to do with the others. NF can nerf them all they want. I'd rather they try to balance the game than leave a hailstorm's worth of OP talismans lying around. I'm happy to have the extra 300 Ironite.

[Sick]

A good solution to me would be, if we now could somehow sell or sacrifice those no longer needed dupe talis. Of course the reward for this should be very close to the original costs. I think this could calm down many of us.

[Heavy1974]

Sometimes I wonder, if some people cry to their friends about their cheating girlfriend over and over again while not leaving the [deleted]......

[scott-5496]

I got 4 sets of Primordials without spending money, either. My plan:

- Spent the past several months farming on Powerslave.

- Racked up half a dozen Yellow Bats in that event.

- Saved up a handful of dupe Eternal and Trooper soul toons, as well as a bunch of 4-star toons.

- Spent very little gold on leveling up toons, but rather leveling them up to full as part of the Powerslave auto-farming.

- Daily 1-3 star sacrifices until I was about to trigger the Vortex.

- Then when the Primoridal sacrifice event started, I ended up firing off 3 Grand Sacrifices and an Ultimate Sacrifice, plus triggered two Vortex rewards.

That got me 25 Primordial talismans and a sack of skill shards. I've leveled up two sets of Primordials and I haven't yet figured out what to do with the others. NF can nerf them all they want. I'd rather they try to balance the game than leave a hailstorm's worth of OP talismans lying around. I'm happy to have the extra 300 Ironite.

Pretty much what I did too. I got 4 sets - three fairly easy and based on toons I had saved for sac (including around 15-16 angels). I then spent Frontier coins to get a few decent toons to sac for the fourth set so that one in particualr hurts a lot as I was initially saving them for Alexander Ed. Then, like many others I spent a firtune on gold to get three sets (and then fourth) maxed...then within a few hours of that heard about the nerf and was really not happy!

I am over the rage part to be honest - but I am not over the fact that they kept them in the store for the event period, they made them and designed then quickly realised they were too OP and said the nerf was coming - that really is the worst part. I know they are looking at a better fix but the way this was handled was not proessional or indeed fair in any way. I did not get the bug to get extra sets, I got what would be expected given the drop rates advertised.

Anyway, I am hoping they are looking more into this and can get a message out which goes beyond 300 ironite (which everyone benefits from regardless of whether they got sets or not). If the nerf stick then I would like to see something more coming out from the team for those of us who spent so much time and effort getting the sets.

[Blade]

Seems like many people have a different resource management compared to what I do (and what is very close to what Fudjo wrote). I managed to do most of the sacrifice needed for the 2 sets of Primordials by saccing Valentine Hearts (!) plus one bigger Sac including some 5* dupes for one exalted and the guaranteed 3 Talis there. I never want do be in the situation that a rush is needed e.g. to open souls during a sac event in the hope for many 4-5* dupes. Also no real money for Talis (or no money at all, as I have already reached my personal limit equal the price of GTA5). So many different ways to play this game - great!
Basically I wanted to have the Primordials for eventual missions in the future to be able to apply these debuffs that are not so common in the game. In PVP I don't like them so much on the attack team. On the other hand I am quite happy when I face a team with 2 or 3 toons wearing them, as it is quite easy against them if you have managed some good strategies.

I can recommed to be strategic, well organized and to weigh options. Moreoever, if you stop paying you can consider yourself as a "player" again, instead of a "customer". But thats just an idea.
FREEDOM is important, but different for every one of us.

[Askora]

I'm curious how many of the people complaining are still using these talismans. Using only one set? Multiple sets?

They are still by far one of the most powerful talisman sets in the game. Golden buffs to entire team and silver debuffs to entire opposing team. They bypass immunity if it's aoe applied by a different toons passive, so what's the counter there? Immunity talismans on every toon?

When they were released, people were bragging about 70 and 80% hold rates on defense. That is a big red flag they were way OP. That was likely at least 3X to 4X better than what any of you had before. Your hold rate is probably still better with those talismans than it was without.

And quit giving the stupid altruistic argument that you're whining about it not for you, but for the people who spent money on it. If they have a complaint, they can make it themselves. Your self appointed leadership for the people who spent money is utter BS and just an excuse to deflect from the fact that what you're really doing is whining because without an incredibly OP talisman set the arena is hard for you. I say, suck it up buttercup!

If you want to complain about something, complain about the bugs (arena broken for nearly a month is ludicrous). Complain about the lack of new content. Make it something worthwhile, not this endless drivel about how you overspent your resources on something that was a poor idea by the devs to begin with. Learn to be more conservative and realize that if it seems way OP it's likely to get nerfed.

[scott-5496]

I'm curious how many of the people complaining are still using these talismans. Using only one set? Multiple sets?

They are still by far one of the most powerful talisman sets in the game. Golden buffs to entire team and silver debuffs to entire opposing team. They bypass immunity if it's aoe applied by a different toons passive, so what's the counter there? Immunity talismans on every toon?

When they were released, people were bragging about 70 and 80% hold rates on defense. That is a big red flag they were way OP. That was likely at least 3X to 4X better than what any of you had before. Your hold rate is probably still better with those talismans than it was without.

And quit giving the stupid altruistic argument that you're whining about it not for you, but for the people who spent money on it. If they have a complaint, they can make it themselves. Your self appointed leadership for the people who spent money is utter BS and just an excuse to deflect from the fact that what you're really doing is whining because without an incredibly OP talisman set the arena is hard for you. I say, suck it up buttercup!

If you want to complain about something, complain about the bugs (arena broken for nearly a month is ludicrous). Complain about the lack of new content. Make it something worthwhile, not this endless drivel about how you overspent your resources on something that was a poor idea by the devs to begin with. Learn to be more conservative and realize that if it seems way OP it's likely to get nerfed.

Fair comment Askora. I am still using a set in attack (sometimes 2) and also using in farming so I agree it is not a major loss - just they way it was done and then handled is the problem. I did not spend any real money so no real loss as such.

This is really my first dig at the team - I am usually supportive of them all. I have refrained from the new content 'whining' because it will come and us moaning about it wil lmake no difference to the roll out plans. As for the broken arena it has barely effected me so I do not feel that I can whine about it that much. Besides, there will be a lot of folk who never go near arena or at least do not spend a lot of time in it, so again not really worth the whine there as many are not interested in competing in it.

On the tallies - I agree they were OP, very OP and hence the move to get as many sets as I could without paying for them with real cash. What we have never seen from the team is the way the issue was handled and responded too.....I cant remember this happening in any other situation that has arisen with an OP character or set of tallies though I may be wrong on that. That is a what is a bit different here I think - that is just me though and we are all entitled to air our thoughts.

Personally, I think how you deal with your customers is important and they way this has been looked at and short-term resolved is different to how other issues have been dealt with in the past - certainly the design was not thought out properly and that was noted by the team. The bug where many sets were won was just a 'typical' bug - the two things together was, I think, what caused the problem overall. I wonder what might have happened if the bug had not happened and we just all got what would normally come out through RNG (not being bugged)? Would they have been nerfed? If 'yes' then clearly the design of the tallies was indeed ill conceived in the first place and that is all down to the team, if 'no' then it was the bug that is/was the problem - again down to the team but not a designed issues but a bit of bad luck or lack of testing. Surely they tested a team with all four toons loaded with these to see how they would work in terms of balance?


Anyway, back to real life and the freedom to air our thoughts. As ever it is all our own choice to play or not to play the game. If arena is broken - dont play it, if you disagree with the tallies dont use them or use them.

[Askora]

Excellent reply Scott. I agree it was handled poorly and shouldn't have happened in the first place, but it's also nothing new to anyone who's played for a while.

Even had the drop rates been right originally, they'd still have been OP. I think the biggest difference would have been the nerf would have taken place a few weeks later. Personally, I still think aoe immunity should have priority. I'm sure there are others who would disagree, but it shouldn't take having to put immunity on your entire team to counter one at of talismans.

[scott-5496]

Excellent reply Scott. I agree it was handled poorly and shouldn't have happened in the first place, but it's also nothing new to anyone who's played for a while.

Even had the drop rates been right originally, they'd still have been OP. I think the biggest difference would have been the nerf would have taken place a few weeks later. Personally, I still think aoe immunity should have priority. I'm sure there are others who would disagree, but it shouldn't take having to put immunity on your entire team to counter one at of talismans.

Yeah it can be a pain. I try to rely on Gunner Lilith with Life tallies to help on that score. Seems to work as best it can given the very odd meta we currently have where coin toss can really be the major difference - still, I am at least getting an attack list to fight and I am hoping it is fixed for others too. My current issue is that my new lists are all players way ahead of me - not an big problem, just a lot of longer battles!!

[Askora]

It really hasn't affected me. I've not pushed at all in arena lately, plus I have 3 sets of primordial talismans (2 sets fully leveled). I'm not even using them. I just think the immunity should block it. But, I'm sure that'd upset people even more.

[MaidenInk-8166]

And yes I am specifically in a position where I should be bringing this to their attention, but thanks for your concern. There is plenty of people pissed about this situation and the way it was handled. And if you are not, good for you. Move on. I find it interesting that a large number of you are calling us whiners for being upset about this. So inn reality you are whining about whiners? I asked nicely earlier if you disagreed that's find, just move on with your life no big deal. Willing to be all of you guys who were ok with all this still took the 300 ironite too, right?

[Askora]

Did you contact support and request your account be put back to pre-event state? It probably wouldn't happen, but requesting it for everyone because you are dissatisfied isn't right either. Or, is it a matter of wanting to keep the talismans and be compensated?

Think that ironite belongs more in the broken arena side of things, so anyone who plays is entitled to it. Or, did you get a special message stating that it was just for the talisman situation?

Make no mistake, I'm not defending the devs on this. I'm simply saying that the logic of your arguments is disingenuous.

[Askora]

Here's one for you, something I said in discord.

It's just stupid to me. The talismans are still OP and breaking other effects, but people aren't worried about the bugs. I had accuracy down applied to my ACR last night while she had immunity. This was second round as, my gunner Lilith's immunity didn't work right the first round. Any guess as to what talismans were on the other team? I won, so it didn't change the outcome.

[Liebhild]

People are worried about the bugs. But when you post about all the bugs, people say, huh, you bring so much negativity to the forums.

NF simply don't care. Solving bugs doesn't bring money (tbh bugs bring them money in the end, more crashes and stupid lost matches, more ironite, more money. So why should they fix them). They said new toons bring money (and new toons also bring more bugs and so again more money).

They will never listen to the community. Some here still believe so, because after a "we are sorry" some really think, oh, look, NF is sorry, they cannot be bad. But they give a shit on what the players say and on all the bugs.

[MaidenInk-8166]

Oh believe me the bugs are a massive issue as well, and yes I do report them as I find them. I get the standard "we know about and are looking into" response almost every time. And I am not requesting it simply because I am dissatisfied, I am really not. I am pissed because there is a lot of people who are pissed about it and they are largely being ignored, have you not seen the posts? They can take them totally away and refund everyone and that would be fine. Or come up with something a little more fair, that would be ok too. I don't really care how they ultimately decide. I (and a large number of players) feel like this was a shitty situation handled in a very poor way and would like to see a much better resolution offered. As for the talis themselves, doesn't bother me either way. I won most of my matches before they came a long and still win most of my matches now that they are here. I use POM Ed and it seems to solve the issue just fine.

[Askora]

I guess I missed the part where people were complaining about the nerf and saying had the bugs caused by them been fixed it would have been a better solution.

An obvious problem here? But, not what I've seen complaints about.
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And most of those people should be able to contact NF directly? Taking them all away and refunds is all well and good, but what about those who decide to opt out? Still in favor there? Which group would you be in if there was an option to give yours up?

Do you use the talismans? On offense, on defense? Did your defense hold rate skyrocket with the original version?

And, I'd add that for someone wanting resources refunded it should be an all or nothing exchange. They're either so worthless now you feel they weren't worth the resources, or they're still plenty powerful and you're just upset because you burned all your resources and got more than you feel you need now. If it's the latter case, I think it's more just wanting the best of both worlds.

[MaidenInk-8166]

Once again I am fine either way, I can win with them and I can win without them. So to take them out of the game completely and just offer refunds is fine. Or some other solution is also fine. Did everyone who picked up multiple sets of fate talis see their defense rate skyrocket? Yes. Did they get immediately nerfed? No. And again you are bringing the arguement back to whether or not they are over powered which I have said 1000 time isn't the issue. The issue is everyone was sold something with a specific set of stats, then those stats were immediately changed. Not ok. If you ordered and paid for a filet mignon and received a burger, I presume you are ok with that? And for at least the 10 millionth time, if you are cool with the way things went down then move on. No need to harass people who are not ok with it.

[Askora]

Pick and choose the questions to answer. :rolleyes:

By the way, exaggerate much? 10,000,000 times, really?

[MaidenInk-8166]

10,000,001.

So like I said, I asked you several times to move along if you are not interested. Yet you choose to argue strictly for the sake of arguing. You complain about use being whiners, by whining. Why? What do you win? Is there a prize involved that I don't know about? We get it you think we are all wrong. You know everything about everything. You have never done anything wrong. We get it. You are the best, you are the king of kings, god of gods so an and so forth. And no one cares. So once again I will ask nicely just move along if this isn't for you.

[Askora]

None of the above. Just intelligent. Your exaggeration only serves to prove my point. Maybe if you tried a logical argument with the devs you'd accomplish something, but since that seems to be an approach you choose to ignore then I wouldn't hope for much.

No worries, I won't bother to respond to any more of your posts. You obviously fail to see what I'm saying, or simply choose to ignore the truth of it. Either way,.

[MaidenInk-8166]

FYI, I did have a logical discussion with the someone directly after starting this post. So I would say mission accomplished. Thanks for your support.

[Purplepixii]

Did you contact support and request your account be put back to pre-event state? It probably wouldn't happen, but requesting it for everyone because you are dissatisfied isn't right either. Or, is it a matter of wanting to keep the talismans and be compensated? .

I have requested this. I don't care if I lose the talismans etc. Just put my account to how it was at the start of this stupid fraud of an event. I can make up what I have lost since over time. NOTHING I have gained or lost since the start of the event even comes close to what I lost DURING the event.

The event was a fraud. Homework was not done by the devs.

Talking of the devs, or even the forum reps, where are they? This is a hot thread, you'd think there'd be some response? Nah, chucking every player a piddly amount of ironite seems to be the easiest way to deal with every mistake.

[Yup]

What could you have possibly "lost" during the event that was so horrific? I mean did you sacrifice Eddies you shouldn't have?

[Mizrael]

What could you have possibly "lost" during the event that was so horrific? I mean did you sacrifice Eddies you shouldn't have?

C’mon man! just leave this thread alone. please.

You have nothing constructive to add and it just turned into you VS everyone who expresses their disappointment here.

Nobody is criticizing you for creating a thread about APMA10...
Nobody tells you: “you should know better,than to spam a button! APMA10 has been here ever since the arena started!” or “Why do you keep whining?! if you don’t like apma then don’t play the arena!” or “Your own fault for not leaving to cosmos after an error, because that’s what you are supposed to do after every APMA,MACLO,PVTE. (just like Muzzleloader said-the cosmos is kind of a refreshing screen)!”

You were upset about losing FREE ironite (which you’ve acquired only thanks to the “whiners” anyway), so you expressed it in a thread. Same as people here are expressing their concerns about not WHAT we’ve lost but HOW.

So i would really suggest you just move on and make space for the Devs to put in some comments, for that’s what this thread was about! not you laughing or raging about every single person who posted here....who’s being negative now?

[Yup]

Uhm.. check that.. I wasn't "upset" about losing free ironite.. I pointed it out. In fact, I specifically posted that very fact. Let's keep things in proper context, shall we. There's a huge difference between noting issues and harping over and over and over and over and over and over about something which you have no control over.

Unlike MANY who post around here I actually realize it's a f'in game!!! It's not a "job" or "school" or anything which I must do to maintain life. I don't have to play it if it bothers me.

I think many of the "whiners" have no actual perspective on life. Again.. STOP PLAYING IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME. Otherwise.. change your attitude. No one is quick to help the "asshole".

The negativity expressed in the forums is becoming a huge reason players are making things suck!

[LOTB_Mia]

Hi All,

Been watching the thread, and up until now everyone has been keeping it pretty clean. However the tone's shifted to personal attacks. Please keep it respectful. I'm going to go in and delete some of the offending language/tone/direction.

\m/

[AmIEvil]

C’mon man! just leave this thread alone. please.

You have nothing constructive to add and it just turned into you VS everyone who expresses their disappointment here.

Nobody is criticizing you for creating a thread about APMA10...
Nobody tells you: “you should know better,than to spam a button! APMA10 has been here ever since the arena started!” or “Why do you keep whining?! if you don’t like apma then don’t play the arena!” or “Your own fault for not leaving to cosmos after an error, because that’s what you are supposed to do after every APMA,MACLO,PVTE. (just like Muzzleloader said-the cosmos is kind of a refreshing screen)!”

You were upset about losing FREE ironite (which you’ve acquired only thanks to the “whiners” anyway), so you expressed it in a thread. Same as people here are expressing their concerns about not WHAT we’ve lost but HOW.

So i would really suggest you just move on and make space for the Devs to put in some comments, for that’s what this thread was about! not you laughing or raging about every single person who posted here....who’s being negative now?

I’m new here and I agree with this guy.

[Liebhild]

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Instead of addressing this issue we will get some posts deleted. Yeah. Mia, you really fit to NF.

[Heavy1974]

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on and on it goes

[Liebhild]

Some here simply don't get what the real problem is here. It is no the nerf, it is not the bug, that gave you more talisman.

The problem is they made op talismans (and they knew they were op and that they will nerf them) so that everybody was trying to get as much a possible.

That simply was a fraud.

Problem-solution:
Sue them


For those, that still don't get it, try to read hold's car-comparison.

Another comparison:
You buy a burger, with lots of cheese, because you like cheese (you never would buy this burger without cheese). You get the burger and you want to start eating. Then suddenly comes the service and removes the cheese, saying to you, cheese is not good for you. What would you then say?

[Heavy1974]

Ok, concerning the burger comparison especially regarding you :

Your first visit : cold burger - you complain
2nd visit : they forgot the beef - you complain
3rd visit : the burger bun is spoiled - you complain
4th visit : the fries were oversalted - you complain
5th visit : your example

so why the hell do you still go there to eat ? Instead of yelling at the people working there every time
i would look for another burger-booth

[Purplepixii]

Hi All,

Been watching the thread, and up until now everyone has been keeping it pretty clean. However the tone's shifted to personal attacks. Please keep it respectful. I'm going to go in and delete some of the offending language/tone/direction.

\m/


Hi Mia & welcome to the forum. I am glad to see someone is watching this thread, does that mean you're reporting what we're saying back to the powers-that-be? (And by this I mean the constructive complaint comments).
Sorry some made you have to wade in and edit posts. We started this thread in a civilised manner and if it has gone awry then some need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Would love to hear back from you on the above

\m/

[Liebhild]

Ok, concerning the burger comparison especially regarding you :

Your first visit : cold burger - you complain
2nd visit : they forgot the beef - you complain
3rd visit : the burger bun is spoiled - you complain
4th visit : the fries were oversalted - you complain
5th visit : your example

so why the hell do you still go there to eat ? Instead of yelling at the people working there every time
i would look for another burger-booth

In every visit I would get my money back.

If you don't want to see the problem, ok.

[Yup]

Really? Most of the time they'd do something like a free drink or free fires, not money back. At least that's my experience. And yeah, I'd quit going after one or two incidents, rather than just continually complain.

[Liebhild]

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I better not feed the troll

[Yup]

Really? That's just sad. I'm not calling anyone names. Perhaps I have more posts merely because I try and be helpful rather than merely whine and complain.... And since when does having more posts equate to being "troll".

So when you are losing an argument.. you merely devolve into name calling because you can no longer defend your position... understood.


Posts: 296 all whining...

You also might want to look up the definition of "troll"..... continually posting negativity in an effort to get a reaction sure seems to fit YOUR account. not mine.

[LOTB_Mia]

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I better not feed the troll

Hi there - not cool.

Love the passion of our players, but no attacking/name calling. Would i love to inject a few positive posts into Yup's daily critiques, absolutely, however keep the feedback coming. As long as it's constructive it's all additive to the debate.

[LOTB_Mia]

Hi PurplePixii,

Thanks for the question, yes I'm absolutely reporting back all the concerns. We have a "feedback" channel on Slack where everyone can see your comments/critiques/suggestions. While I don't have the authority to weigh in on the Talisman issue. I have been tasked with keeping the debate productive.

Our players have formed a passionate community here and ultimately I want it to be a reasonably safe space for new players to join in the discussion. We've been getting a number of complaints about the tone and attacks lately.

FYI - I checked and it looks like your ticket regarding the Talismans has been escalated.

[The Educated fool]

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for keeping things constructive. I just have one question though...

*looks up innocently, with puppy dog eyes* Ms. Mia... what's a [bleep]? ;) :cool:

[LOTB_Mia]

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for keeping things constructive. I just have one question though...

*looks up innocently, with puppy dog eyes* Ms. Mia... what's a [bleep]? ;) :cool:

Haha :rolleyes:

...keeping it clean, one [bleepin'] post at a time...

[The Educated fool]

A [bleep]in' dirty job, mate! But someone's gotta do it! :cool:

[LOTB_Mia]

A [bleep]in' dirty job, mate! But someone's gotta do it! :cool:

\m/ Cheers \m/

[BG840]

Oh no my feelings are hurt cause someone called me a name, who do I tattle to? Sticks and stones people! Grow up already

[hold]

And Alexander Eddie is a frag reward for the Guanlet.. after Devs specifically stated he wasn't available anywhere else.

I'm done.

That's it...

...will burn through the resources I have and not another penny from me. Way to screw over your players NF.

Naaah ... Yup is ALWAYS creative and never pissed off (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?10123-May-8th-2018-Update-Discussion&p=72338#post72338) ... NEVER ... 50% of his posts are actually complaining about the shit show. But hey - flag in the winds ...

BTW: I have a friend that works as a manager in customer support and *no offense* they alway send the women in when the complaints are getting too much. It calms the testosterone down and it's a trick they use for decades.

Welcome to the pit, MIA, but Naughty Fraud still hasn't anwered the question.

My comparison about sheep, wolfs and shepherds is still standing and was very much misinterpreted by simple minded people.

1. Sheep - obvious
2. Wolfs - fraudulent NF
3. Shepherd - Maiden-Ink with his 3000+ players

Stop beating around the bush (fair enough it's an AC/DC song but ...)

NF the bleeping bleeps screwed the bleeping players over and over and over again and while the bleeping sheep are still bleeping sticking with you bleeping bleeps the rest would still like to have a bleeping answer why you bleep them in the bleeping bleep all the bleeping bleeping time.

[AmIEvil]

as a new player its nice to see active community. i like these responses

[MaidenInk-8166]

Glad to see they have done absolutely nothing. NF can't even be bothered enough to address it all. Absolutely stunned honestly that all the pissing and moaning doesn't even warrant a response. Must be nice living in a tiny bubble where you can bite the hand that feeds with zero repercussions, and not even be required to respond.

[Peppoah]

Are you still wondering, why so many old schoolers left?

[druid138]

Are you still wondering, why so many old schoolers left?

Speaking of old schoolers, Kardas - one of my all-time favorites - once gave this wise advice in a discussion about soul stacks in the Book of Souls (link (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?8840-Stacks-in-Book-of-Souls&p=56016&viewfull=1#post56016)):

Yeah, it annoys me to no end that souls from fragments do not stack. They can also do weird things sometimes. Like, I've dropped a bunch of Legendaries together once, and it eventually showed the legendary soul icon but an x0 message under it. Didn't like where that was going so I decided to force close and try again another time.

When something is clearly not working as intended, my approach is to stay clear until things get resolved. In the case of the Primordials, it was pretty clear that the event was bugged initially, so I gave it a few hours to get cleared up before going all in.

[Peppoah]

Oh Kardas, yes great player and a former trooper of mine. Great contributor to the forum.

[scott-5496]

And still it is all quiet on the primordial front......I think they are just hoping it will blow away. I have calmed on it a bit and I am getting some use from them but not four sets worth! I do hope they do something constructive for those that were 'screwed' - many of us were, not all but many I am sure. Many did not benefit form the bug that provided more sets than should have been coming through a normal drop and yet we were punished too. I still think it was a botch job from all aspects. The team designed the tallies and slearly they were always going to be too OP hence the nerf - they did not really nerf the bug that pushed out more tallies than it should so that to me is clearly mistake in design doubled by a mistake in delivery...added to by a mistake in how they responded......why were the sets still for sale after the new there was issues and that the nerf stick would come out?

Anyway, the sports car analogy I used still fits!

[Stormseye]

And still it is all quiet on the primordial front.

I gave up fighting that fight. Everyone knows it was a botch job and all they do is move forward. I still would like to have the Gunner Lilitth nerf lifted as that was the only character that actually made you suffer for running 4 sets of Primordials. Thankfully the meta is shifting slightly away from pure primordial builds. My rank has proved that for me. Prior to the God shift I was barely able to make top 50 now I am much closer to top 25 though its still a struggle. I don’t feel as out gunned against the God builds as I do against the Primordials. They will probably not revisit those talismans for tuning but hopefully they will phase out just like sets before them. Where is the August tuning post?

[Mizrael]

I guess they have successfully swept this one under the rug...

I just can’t stop asking myself:
What idiot designed the primordial and the shroud sets along side eachother?! one gives shroud to 1 toon and the other was supposed to give (ok...random,but still) shroud to all allies? that only proves how little idea these noob fools have about what they are doing. and then they just call it a BUG?!