About shroud status

[Grim]

I was fighting in arena against a death dog with shroud buff (from eclipse set). I used Clutch with my Visions Eddie, the golden buff was still hovering above the enemy's head but after my very next move (attack with a sentinel Harpy) the damage wasn't coverted into the expected 5% of total health, thus instantly killing him. Shouldn't It be impossible to be stolen or removed?

[Blade]

I observed the same. But I think Shroud can be stolen by skills that specifically can steal golden buffs. So the description is a bit misleading maybe. One other thing I noticed about Shroud is, that you don't do any damage by revenge or counter, not even the few percent... this cannot be intended, or? But there seems to be a general problem with revenge/counter not working correctly e.g. revenge that hits void does not lead to buff removal as far as I noticed.

[Muzzleloader]

I've tried using magus chopper to steal the shroud buff. It did not always remove the buff even though it on a lone VHE in the arena. I don't understand why it is not always removed even when that is the only buff and only character. I was using the final touch skill.

[Blade]

Was your damage still reduced afterwards? If not, you have the same visual bug as Grim and me, that Shroud is still shown but not active anymore.

[Muzzleloader]

My question would be is it a bug that it removed or did not remove the shroud buff. Has anyone else seen this on lone Eddie's in the arena. This is good chance to test the shroud buff removal.

[Muzzleloader]

I don't remember. If I see the situation again I will pay attention and report the outcome.

[Blade]

I am quite sure, as I had the situation several times. I used Visions Ed to remove the Shroud

[Moonchild-6759]

I have never seen it removed but i am still yet to get an answer as to why bleed and other "damage-at-end-of-turn" effects are just being ignored by characters with shroud instead of being 5% damage.

[Icarus]

I found exactly the same. In a fight, by some reason, my Beast Eddie has Shroud and then the enemy (i can't remember well who was but he dealt true damage) dealt a lot of damage but the shroud effect was still there, i was like what just happened here?, also yes i just noticed that revenge or counter atacks to the objetive with Shroud appears to don't deal any damage, it says ''blocked''.

[rags-6094]

I have noticed that golden buffs may be removed successfully but may still appear to be on an opposition anyway, the following damage seems to clear it with no lack of damage effect.
If shroud is the only golden buff on a character Sekhmet successfully removed it with Valor talisman every time.
I have not tried bleed against it or have not noticed the effect if I have, to make comment...

[Grim]

The point is: during battle the description of the buff clearly says that it cannot be stolen or removed and yet Visions Eddie can bypass all of this and cancel out shroud effect.

[Yup]

Note that at one time a few months ago BOTH yellow and grey buffs actually could NOT be stolen or removed. That was their ENTIRE point....

Since that time new abilities and characters have been added which can indeed remove grey or yellow buffs, and steal yellow buffs.

What is wrong are the OLD description explanations. When these new abilities/characters were introduced, NF didn't bother going through and updating descriptions anywhere. This makes many, many, many, many, many descriptions just wrong.

Basically ANY buff can be removed/stolen... any... if it's positive buff it can be stolen or removed by the opposition... if it's a negative buff it can be removed by allies. There is no longer such a thing as a "permabuff" -- This makes things like Shroud, Valor, etc kind of funny since all it takes is 1 hit to remove that yellow buff.

I've removed/stolen Shroud, the Valor 2xHP, Ghost, etc. often in PvP. And when doing so that toon becomes a dreadfully EASY kill. Because the talismans themselves only provide a 6K HP boost which is really next to nothing.

[Leviathan]

I have never seen it removed but i am still yet to get an answer as to why bleed and other "damage-at-end-of-turn" effects are just being ignored by characters with shroud instead of being 5% damage.

Hi Moonchild. Those Damage-At-End-Of-Turn" effects shouldn't technically be ignored by characters with Shroud. There is a bug that is causing this to happen. We are aware of the issue however, and working on a fix!

[Leviathan]

The point is: during battle the description of the buff clearly says that it cannot be stolen or removed and yet Visions Eddie can bypass all of this and cancel out shroud effect.

Hi Grim. Sorry for the confusion. Visions Eddie can use his 'Take' ability to do this. That ability had a 60% chance of Steal 1 Beneficial Effect from all enemies, including Golden Buffs.