September 2018 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[Kaz_LOTB]

This is the main post to discuss tuning changes that are in an upcoming update.

You can see the details for the preliminary tuning adjustments in the Game Updates forum post (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?10620-September-2018-Tuning-PRELIMINARY&p=80477#post80477).

[DanielRacy]

Glad to see S Golden Son fixed. Thanks man.

[GrimDusk]

So... this really isn't anything huge.

[Shaolin85london]

Looking forward to see adjustments in gauntlet. Thanks for your listening guys and for some improv to Set which is a great character. Not sure if this kind of nerf to IE ll be enough to detrone from Arena domine.

[Stormseye]

I disagree, this is a good update for many broken characters as well improvements to some old favorites. I see another shift in the PVP coming.

Iron Eddie finally being nerfed

I was just thinking last night how Kari passive SHOULD affect Exhaust and HP Redux - I am already building a team with her in mind.

Fixing Extra turns for Benji/Set also good though that should be an immediate fix imho.

PDK/PD getting a little love is nice to see and finally

Guantlet changes may have me lean into it a bit more if the changes are right.

I like this update mostly but I would prefer to see some of sooner than later.

[Cefiar]

I think the only thing that bothers me is seeing Set get 3 purple talisman slots. I'll expect to see a lot of people putting Eclipse talis on Set now.

[Yup]

Yeah good to see IE getting adjusted so he's not a 4 star with 5 star power.. will shake up all the copycat teams in PvP for sure.

Also good to see Set and the Perfect Corruption ignoring immunity getting fixed.

And the new "upon death" talismans look interesting.

[Liebhild]

Will the broken toon setup be fixed also?

[Nicko]

I think the only thing that bothers me is seeing Set get 3 purple talisman slots. I'll expect to see a lot of people putting Eclipse talis on Set now.

I think that was the point of the tuning...

[Ip4]

here we go again-- Set change blue Lilith in pvp...

[Yup]

I think the only thing that bothers me is seeing Set get 3 purple talisman slots. I'll expect to see a lot of people putting Eclipse talis on Set now.

That may be the initial thought but.. consider it would be foolish since he grants himself (and others) Shroud with the power move and they are fixing the extra turn thing. putting the Eclipse on him wouldn't be a great set up in my opinion.

[Nicko]

here we go again-- Set change blue Lilith in pvp...

If Eclipse is on him he’s easily countered by the Prisoner. I don’t see Blue Lilith going anywhere because it’s possible to use both Destiny and Immunity - so she’s Gimp-proof (at least for the first round)

[Nicko]

Immunity and Shadow Talismans will keep him both Prisoner-proof and damage proof first round - but after that he only has a 50% chance of getting shroud with his power move.

I think we may see him more on attack teams - with Eclipse Talismans - against teams without Prisoners. He’ll be a beast against those teams...

[Yup]

I was using him on attack for a while and he was okay as is. With the extra turn fixed, he may be better.

Truth was, he does massive damage with Shadow talismans when they kick in, but otherwise he wasn't doing much more than converting those gold buffs. The damage without Shadow boosts was mediocre at best.

[Symbiote]

Nice that they will change the prices for gauntlet.., but we better wait than to be to excited too...

but i would really like to see fixes like the language in news/drop-rate/.. screen that it is the language you set up in the settings.., some of the devs said months ago they would look for it.., but it's still german even i have the game in english...
The funny thing for the Osiris Event in German is "Opfern Sie Osiris, um ihren Lohn zu erhalten!" -> Sacrifice Osiris.., at first i should GET HIM.., and why should i sacrifice him IF i would get him.., still nothing after 30-40 Offering Souls.., and for all the other 50-70 souls only one new character Doomsday Eddie, what is cool.., but yeah.. :D

and it would be cool if they finally would fix the thing that copies the team from SQs to the cosmos world teams..
and 3 teams for cosmos would be nice than in SQ.., i think noone need them in SQs but in cosmos..,

generally it would be cool if they would fix all the "normal" game features first..,

1 team for looting only, one for leveling.., and maybe one for testing new teams to loot or so..
But nice to see some fixes again. :)

EDIT: I'm testing some new defenses right now.., but i see that my sentinel Lilith doesn't heal sometimes.., i don't know why.., she has no passive block/heal block/etc. active (even with perfect immunity and other golden buffs...), she doesn't heal...

It seems that if i have an Prisoner on Defense and in Attack Team they block her Passive even if she has Perfect Immunity from Primordials from Prisoner.. and all the following turns.., no healing
Please look at it..

No Prisoner in Defense but in Attack Team.., no healing for her in Defense.., even without passvie block on her because of (Perfect) Immunity.
The same thing in the other way..,
The Prisoner blocks her passive even if she has immunity from Gunner Liltih..

[DIEDD]

No changes for carriage rider ed?

[Blade]

I am with Symbiote with the language issue. The translation is poor and if I set my game to english I really would prefer to have everything in english!

The thing with Prisoner blocking passives without showing the debuff symbol is also an important topic. Is it planned to be like that?

Another crucial thing that is not listed is about how counter-attacks deal with shields. If a team has e.g. thorns active, attacks and on the other team a counter triggers, it never applies heal block/permadeath. Same with voids not removing beneficials by a counter attack. This was different a while ago. Are there any plans to go back to that?

[Kaz_LOTB]

The thing with Prisoner blocking passives without showing the debuff symbol is also an important topic. Is it planned to be like that?

This is something being looked at, it just requires more time to fix, so it will likely be in the update after the upcoming one.

-Kaz

[Blade]

This is something being looked at, it just requires more time to fix, so it will likely be in the update after the upcoming one.

-Kaz

Thanks for your answer, Kaz! As you say it needs to be fixed I conclude it is bugged in the moment. But what exactly is bugged? The debuff not showing, or is it the general rule of chronological order of passive application? Example: For the Green Lilith it is impossible to see if the passive works or not. The situation is more obvious e.g. with the Warrior Troll with his shields passive. If the enemy has the Prisoner in the team and I use a char that applies immunity to my team in the first round and I have immunity talis on that char, this - in the moment - leads to the situation that my team has immunity, but there are no shields from the Troll (if I don't use Immunity Talis on him too). Will this stay the same after the fix? Or is the idea that the immunity passive from e.g. the hellhound then prevents the shield passive from the Troll to be blocked in the first round by the Prisoner's passive?

And what about the other topics: Language and Counter issues? The language thing should be easy to fix but what about the counter-shield-interaction? Especially now because of the introduction of Osiris, this would be very important in my opinion!

I am looking forward to your reply, thank you very much!

[desprezo]

And what about the other topics: Language and Counter issues? The language thing should be easy to fix but what about the counter-shield-interaction? Especially now because of the introduction of Osiris, this would be very important in my opinion!



Also happens with Destiny talis, when you take damage from counter-attacks, no beneficial effect is triggered.

[SDTull]

Destinys will fire if a team mate gets counter attacked and triggers Magus Liliths blocking though. That's what is really confusing.

Another thing is, should damage reflected from shields wake up a toon that is slept? If so, what's the point of sleep?

[Zerynx]

LOL!! Pulled my first Iron Eddie last night. Thought to myself "I bet he will be nerf'ed."

Didn't even know I was right until I checked in here!

Woo Hoo.

[Kaz_LOTB]

But what exactly is bugged?

The way Disable Passive is intended to work is that when the Disable Passive Icon is present on the character, their passive will not work. When it goes away, it should work again. In the case players have immunity from passives or talismans at the start of battle, the Prisoner's Passive Disable effect should not get applies through that immunity. The engineer working on fixing the issue is having to touch and rework a bunch of code related passive vs. talisman order of operation to give designers more explicit flexibility in terms of when effects can apply and in what order, and also fixing the issue of effects not updating immediately in battle in certain cases, like when Passive Disable is removed.

The Language and Counter issues have been reported and logged, but will require some investigation.

-Kaz

[Yup]

Also heal shields seem to continue working (and show the spinning icons around the character -- spinning even where dead characters would be if they weren't dead) after the buff is gone.

[Peppoah]

You fix sentinel Golden son after one post in the forum? A character that hardly ever someone uses? And what about Death Dog that’s bugged from the very beginning of the game?

[Blade]

The way Disable Passive is intended to work is that when the Disable Passive Icon is present on the character, their passive will not work. When it goes away, it should work again. In the case players have immunity from passives or talismans at the start of battle, the Prisoner's Passive Disable effect should not get applies through that immunity. The engineer working on fixing the issue is having to touch and rework a bunch of code related passive vs. talisman order of operation to give designers more explicit flexibility in terms of when effects can apply and in what order, and also fixing the issue of effects not updating immediately in battle in certain cases, like when Passive Disable is removed.

The Language and Counter issues have been reported and logged, but will require some investigation.

-Kaz

Thanks for the insights, Kaz! There really seem to be many fundamental problems with the old codes from the pre-NF time. I still have some hope that this will be resolved in the course of time and wish you every success!
Nevertheless, I have a well-meant hint that new skills and talismans should only be added in the future if they are not explicitly related to known problems. Example: Primordials despite passive-talisman combination problem with the Prisoner and shields should be an effective remedy against counterattacks.

[Muzzleloader]

Here is a comment on passive disable that has been previously discussed, but may be confusing to some players. If prisoner disables AoM passive of revive and an opponent is killed, the next killed opponent may be revived. This type of issue may be of concern for other toon passives. When the passive disable icon doesnt appear in play it may cause confusion about unfair AI benefits in the arena. This isn't really a bug but is sometimes hard to understand with all the buffs given with the recent toon/talis addition.

[Kaz_LOTB]

You fix sentinel Golden son after one post in the forum? A character that hardly ever someone uses? And what about Death Dog that’s bugged from the very beginning of the game?

There have been several attempts at a fix for the start of round beneficial effect removal for the Death Dog. At this point, I'm not quite sure under which specific circumstances it is not working. It would be helpful to know more about the setup and scenarios you have found where it is not working. I can report it to our QA team and they can attempt to repro internally and potentially get it logged to be fixed.

-Kaz

[Muzzleloader]

The assassin death dog passive seems to be working. It says removes up to 2 beneficial effects each turn. In PvP it is hard to determine if it has removed buffs.I tried it in the cosmos and it works.

[Symbiote]

I am with Symbiote with the language issue. The translation is poor and if I set my game to english I really would prefer to have everything in english!

The language thing is more than a half year where they said they look for it..,

[Blade]

The assassin death dog passive seems to be working. It says removes up to 2 beneficial effects each turn. In PvP it is hard to determine if it has removed buffs.I tried it in the cosmos and it works.

I also think he works correctly when I use him in PvP. Of course he does not remove beneficials as often as he does if you face him in the enemy team, but that's a different story.


The language thing is more than a half year where they said they look for it..,

Sad but true. I still hope for a quick solution. I mean the screens are available in different languages, it is just a problem of assignment.

[AcesHigh189]

Septemeber teaser is now uphttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl94T15XoAAp0u5.jpg


Looks like Icarus is coming this month.

[madmanmeyer74]

Looking forward to seeing Icarus.

Magus Soulless Demon...meh. Will focus on getting a few for sacrifice and getting Lilith frags to get another Lilith soul (hopefully get either Gunner or Sentinel).

Soul Trade sounds interesting. Hopefully it is a means to get some characters people need or are looking for.

And most important to note, no signs of Night City in this teaser.

[AcesHigh189]

I had high hopes that Night City would be coming this month. Hopefully October. I wonder if the Beast might become available during the soul trade.

[Ip4]

i expecting night city next year...

[Valgard]

What about the background image? It usually is the background for next Eddie's wallpaper, but I don't recall any album, single or tour cover with spears. Most I can think of is The Trooper or Alexander, but they obviously can't be.

Maybe it's for Icarus? That doesn't have anything to do with the Flight of Icarus single.

[AcesHigh189]

It's likely related to the last event of the month The Lighting Strike of the Baroness or could be related to Judgement Day. But at the same time, the background does look a lot like the background of the Alexander the Great wallpaper.

https://scontent.fadl5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31345178_1425014224295615_283620557688143872_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=f0f4b487b059eaae99f16b6361320b02&oe=5BED1C36

[Kamuz24z]

Is it possible that you guys can expand the number of characters currently we can have 300 in inventory with the introduction of gauntlet that will really help many of us

[Peppoah]

The assassin death dog passive seems to be working. It says removes up to 2 beneficial effects each turn. In PvP it is hard to determine if it has removed buffs.I tried it in the cosmos and it works.

I tried him in the arena without shards. The opponent team had so many yellow buffs, I didn’t see him remove any. I don’t know if he works correct or not.
Other story is assassin bomber boy. His special move doesn’t give extra turns. I used him in one of the last events and he never gave an extra turn. Other players experienced the same.

[Yup]

All the buff removers, like everything, work better if the AI is controlling it because the AI gets that accuracy boost.

I see Asset on defense teams removing gold buffs on my team every turn.. yet my Asset on attack does it maybe once ever 4 turns.

[R1ck]

Devs, there will be update today?

[Nicko]

They made an announcement on FB - happening tomorrow instead

[R1ck]

Thanks Nicko

[Stormseye]

Had a patch update, got into game. Did not look like tuning had been put in. Had to shut down and now servers locked. Guess there was a issue.

[scott-5496]

There always is which is a shame. I think some folk did get in like you but it seems ot be locked again. It can't be a major one by the sounds of it......

[rags-6094]

Well at least while the servers are down Stormseye, you can't be racing even further ahead of me!

[scott-5496]

Looks like a glitch as someone posted that they got 15 Legendary, SS and other goodies......then got booted out! LOL, you really do have to laugh!

[rags-6094]

Looks like a glitch as someone posted that they got 15 Legendary, SS and other goodies......then got booted out! LOL, you really do have to laugh!

Was that post on the LOTB Facebook page? I'm not on FB so won't see any of that...

[Stormseye]

Tuning notes where not updated and characters had not updated , checked Kari.

Rags- Carlos wouldn't let keep that lead. Now I have to chase again. lol

[rags-6094]

Yeah I doubt I can catch you guys now, but I will try for a personal goal I think and try and reach 10,000 at least..
I'ts Thursday morning here, I have a brief work related errand to attend to in a few hours then a 3 hour drive home, then I have almost unlimited playing time as I'm off work on Friday... Here in Sydney the game resets Sunday morning at 10.00AM at this time of the year so 3 days should get me there. At least that's the plan...

[rags-6094]

4862

Define long?

[edsel]

When the beer is gone

[rags-6094]

If the beer is all gone in just over two hours then we haven't got enough beer! LOL!:p

[blade685]

more than 2 hours android and ios down

[Porron87]

I'm already drunk of waiting lol

[Muzzleloader]

Just put some Maiden on the stereo, that always makes it better. The only difficulty is deciding on what to play.

[blade685]

always down, ..............

[blade685]

3 hours ;)

[Stranger]

Another apology and ironites for free? :D

[Ip4]

free ironite to all for waiting :)

[URock]

Update available on Android

[Ancient Mariner]

Update available on Android

Ye but now the game gets stuck on the loading screen...

[blade685]

update on android only for now

[Fudjo]

Ye but now the game gets stuck on the loading screen...

It took a while for me, but I'm finally past the loading screen and back in the game.

[Shaolin85london]

This is something being looked at, it just requires more time to fix, so it will likely be in the update after the upcoming one.

-Kaz
Hi Kaz, I ve noticed that I dropped from rank 1 to rank 91 even if I m at SSS grade with 54/59 wins. Is this intended or do I need to report as a bug? Cheers

[URock]

10 PVP fights...2 game freezes...2 SOW gone...great development..

[Ancient Mariner]

It took a while for me, but I'm finally past the loading screen and back in the game.

Yeah tried restarting my device and now works..

P. S. :wtf, the class admitted in gauntlet has changed to magus/warrior now. But the sow required decreased!

[Ip4]

still no update on ios...

[Ubajoa]

I thought you will be fixing the issue where perfect corruption was ovewriting immunity effects, now is even worse!! now is going over immunity, perfect inmunity and VANISH!!

So basically nothing can protect you from primordials.

I hope you can solve this.

[Stormseye]

So basically nothing can protect you from primordials.



Welcome to my world....that being said. I always thought Perfect Corruption removed any Immunity including Vanish. Was that only part of the Sentinel Lillith power?

[Mizrael]

I’m still stuck at the loading screen!!! restarted the phone a couple of times with no success...

So many SoW lost!!!

[Intimidator]

Man...this sucks. Still no update on iOS.

[scott-5496]

10:38 am here in the UK and still nothing - this is embarrasing. Why has this started to happen now when a only a few updates ago we had no massive lag for iOS? Can we be told why as something has clearly changed in this game and they way it is deployed?

[Yup]

If there was ANY doubt that this company was a mass of unorganized, ill-prepared, bumbling idiots.. well.. that's been confirmed. It doesn't matter if it's due to Apple's review process or not.. they clearly have no clue how to properly handle deployment. 18+ hours now.

Kind of makes me wonder if the Android version is riddled with security holes and issues.

[Peppoah]

10:38 am here in the UK and still nothing - this is embarrasing. Why has this started to happen now when a only a few updates ago we had no massive lag for iOS? Can we be told why as something has clearly changed in this game and they way it is deployed?

It’s 12 o clock here in Germany now and still nothing. I remember a few months ago it took till 5 pm here. Have you learned something, NF? I don’t think so.
I hope the bugged attack lists don’t make a comeback. That would be the topping on the cake.

[URock]

Cleared cache on Android, but I got another freeze on PVP. Seems that these freezes are a feature to let us spend more ironite (money) into the game...

[Caretaker]

Well, good morning... noon here...
Since I can't play, being on iOS, I guess I have the time to discuss some issues with developers.
On top of everything that's going on, gauntlet is the least of your concerns and should be on the bottom of your to fix list.
Playing the arena event this week we've all noticed the broken combat mechanics with the order of passives, talisman passives, buffs and debuffs proced at the start of the battle.


I thought you will be fixing the issue where perfect corruption was ovewriting immunity effects, now is even worse!! now is going over immunity, perfect inmunity and VANISH!!

So basically nothing can protect you from primordials.

I hope you can solve this.

Imo, that's the first thing that should be addressed, asap. It's not a new thing, we had it with prisoner, then shields procing, so one would think you'd have learned the logic and how to order it correctly and that sort of issues are behind us now. Broken mechanics at the very start of the battle throws everything that we the players set up, counting it should work based on descriptions you provided, down the toilet. And throw shadow on everything that you the developers described.

Let me break it down to the simplicity so it might help you synchronize it with your programming. I'd draw it if I could :D
At the start of the battle, the first thing the game should check on every toon if it's equipped with immunity talis set. If so, no debuff should passively fall to it. Period.
Then you have the prisoner that blocks characters passives, and not talismans, at the start if toon doesn't wear it's own immunity.
Then you have the procing of talismans buffs then talismans passives, and debuffs (primordials being the elephant here at the moment) to the toons that don't have immunity set. Then you have the procing of characters passives, those that aren't blocked by prisoner, first the positive like all immunity, endure etc, and then negative like marks, permadeath and crap like that.
And then you have the toons who's passive removes all buffs and inflict something at the start.

Now the board is set and ready for carnage. Correct me if I've messed sth up. That way PC from primordials can fall to non immunized creatures preventing buffs, but not blocking the wearing talismans.
And if you want to block talismans effects then add a description where it is said "PC strips the wearer naked of everything and block future buffs, unless it has immunity. Then it's just naked." :lol: :p because that is where you are at now, that's what's happening!

Now imagine a disaster if we had a toon that inflicts Perfect Corruption, let's say aoe, at the start of the battle :cool: An entire oposing team would be stripped naked at the start just standing there unequipped. In best case scenario - naked. Oh, and if your new oracle set would be working and transferring that PC to the other team, then both teams are standing naked. That, my dear devs, is a strip show. Definitely not the game nor strategy.
And on that bombshell, I hope you realize now why this is No1 thing to fix???!!!

[Intimidator]

It’s now 13:00 here. Still nothing....
I’ve put up a weak defense in arena, must have dropped quite a bit in the rankings by now :(

[scott-5496]

Utterly awful deployment - I am alsmost at a loss to even guess how something can take this long. I can only imagine the big app providers going through this....oh yeah they dont, or not that I have ever noticed. How can this be an Apple issue I wonder? None of my apps are ever down this long. Maybe Apple threw it out as they saw the fixes were not fixes as it seems those Android folks are facing lots of issues.

[Sick]

Seriously, has there been any update in the last two years that was not screwed up and had to be repaired by a hotfix some days later?

[Purplepixii]

FGS what is with the iOS delay? This is absolutely ludicrous and an embarrassment for any company. Pay the extra to get Apple to expedite the update! Oh and no pathetic 150 Ironite this time - try extending the event for the length of time the game was down instead.

Honestly, just when I thought previous updates were farcical, this one takes the proverbial biscuit.

Test
Test
Test
Deploy

Not the other way round!

[Ip4]

same story every update...

[Sick]

Maybe Bill Murray is available for Ground Hog Day II - The Update.

[Lord Schmeb]

9:45am here in Mormonville, Utah — and iOS is still down.

How exactly does something like this happen? I have fly-by-night apps that work perfectly, despite being thrown together by apes in a dorm room. This is really unacceptable, yet, like a good addict, I’ll piss and moan all the way until it’s fixed, and then shoot up again.

Fuck this shit.

[Zerynx]

Apple sent the list of fixes to Sparton's, now disabled, mail account. :p

[Sick]

Sparton‘s account will be fixed soon. It won’t take long.

[Lord Schmeb]

Sparton‘s account will be fixed soon. It won’t take long.

Best post of this entire thread. Bwahahaha!

1:40 MST and still locked out. That’s 24 hours of downtime; bang-up job guys, as usual.

[LOTB_Mia]

Pay the extra to get Apple to expedite the update!

Hi Purplepixii,

We've posted an update over here (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?10697-The-new-constant-iOS-debacle&p=81576&viewfull=1#post81576), please feel free to join the conversation. Also Apple's expedited reviews aren't something that can be paid for and unfortunately it doesn't help in this case as we've already been reviewed/approved by Apple and have released the App for distribution. More details in the linked thread.

- Mia