I made a comprehensive Eddie tier list!

[GrimDusk]

After a long amount of time I realized my initial Tier List was not going to cut it any longer. Therefore, I have devised a new one. As of December 6th, 2020, this will be my new Tier List going forwards. There are notes on the tier list itself if you have any questions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19kRRDf1y-72HfDXNvxcM4wPJXBfDgJ1n7hww3MtgNiE/edit?usp=sharing

Hope you all enjoy!

[Olevipoeg]

After a few hours of sitting and going through each Eddie, I made a tier list of which ones are good and which ones are crap. I used the Gauntlet ranking system, meaning they're ranked from God to F. I will update this guide with each passing balance patch, and hopefully it'll shed some light on the strengths and weaknesses of these Eddies.

2/18/2019 Edition: Click Here! (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Oax35gN0-w-rH-yzdyQ4gHc3SqBGNaXAy1GrEv9JWnY/edit?usp=sharing)

Don't be afraid to add your own comments in the thread, and perhaps you guys may sway some of my opinions. However, this is my tier list, and therefore my opinion; this isn't fact. Take it with a grain of salt.
POM Eddie should be in higher tier IMHO. All Eddies who can beat FFE, Killer Prime combo should be at least in SS tier.

[Esquatcho]

Nice and I agree with most of the high level, though agree POM should be a level or two higher (S or SS).

Down lower you could maybe argue a level or two for many (Id have navigator a bit higher purely as he is still good on the grind, SoL higher than Storm etc), but on the whole a nice effort man. Thanks!

[Deathbat6120]

Great list man! Personally, I was expecting to see Navigator slightly higher, and Prowler a little lower. I tried him out yesterday and he's weak as anything, which is really disappointing for a 5* Gunner. Either way though, great work! \m/

[Yup]

I disagree with many of the B and C classifications. Several of those Eds should be higher..... but then I guess it depends on what you think is important. I think it's incorrect to PUT Aces High and Navigator at the same level as Shadow Wicker Ed or Mystic Ed (two of the far weaker Eds) .. and Holy Smoke Ed is much better than anything in level C.

Mystic and Shadow wicker are at the same level as Mummy Ed. Heck they do roughly the same damage - and it's also magic damage. And Bass Ed.. does about the same damage as Mystic Ed as well... so.....

Just my 2¢ though. :)

[GrimDusk]

Alright, so here's what I've decided. I'm bumping up Piece of Mind because I kinda see why he's so liked, so he's going up higher on the list. Based on how you guys seem to think how Iron Maiden Eddie is, I'm bumping him down a few tiers. Now, to explain why Mystic and Shadow Wickerman are higher than likely expected; they have good enough utility to keep themselves going. Mummy Eddie doesn't have that utility. This is also why Bass Eddie is higher. True, damage means a lot in this game, but utility also makes and breaks the team. Navigator will still be staying at B, though I will increase Speed of Light to tier C. Keep the feedback coming, guys!

Edit: I will also bump up Holy Smokes one tier, and I'm going to change Shadow Wickerman's ranking. Mystic's will remain as is.

[Yup]

Well, I just think if an Eddie is a 1 or 2 hit kill.. that doesn't make them very good. i.e. Shadow Wicker Man, Mystic, Bass Ed, etc. I've NEVER entered a battle and thought "Shit, there's Mystic Eddie." So ranking him high is nonsensical to me.

"Unity" is very subjective. Any Ed can be put on a team to make him seem more resilient than he is. And there's a world of difference between Eds that can compete head to head in PvP and how good an Ed actually may be. If everyone in the arena used VHE, then he would be seen as more powerful.

Just pointing out that this list is your preference, nothing more.

[GrimDusk]

Well, I just think if an Eddie is a 1 or 2 hit kill.. that doesn't make them very good. i.e. Shadow Wicker Man, Mystic, Bass Ed, etc. I've NEVER entered a battle and thought "Shit, there's Mystic Eddie." So ranking him high is nonsensical to me.

"Unity" is very subjective. Any Ed can be put on a team to make him seem more resilient than he is. And there's a world of difference between Eds that can compete head to head in PvP and how good an Ed actually may be. If everyone in the arena used VHE, then he would be seen as more powerful.

Just pointing out that this list is your preference, nothing more.

You're entirely correct in your judgement, and yeah it is my preference (hence why I didn't move Mystic Eddie). I did change it though because you guys brought up a few good points that I agreed with after reviewing the list, so that's all.

[Yup]

And I can now auto-play the Gold and Souls Vault thanks to Iron Maiden Eddie. No other Eddie would survive during auto-play on that skull quest (and trust me, I've tried them all)

[GrimDusk]

And I can now auto-play the Gold and Souls Vault thanks to Iron Maiden Eddie. No other Eddie would survive during auto-play on that skull quest (and trust me, I've tried them all)

Really? I haven't had the chance to try him myself, so I don't really know how great he is, I'm mostly judging off of what I think his kit does.

[Yup]

Well, no other Eddie survives that "Vault" on auto. I've tried them all. But IME's fury is a massive hit and, due to relics, fires enough that it tends to just wipe out the other side in 1 hit. Note, I've got him full power, fully shared, and with Warlord talismans.. so there are boosts there. But even just swapping IME with FFE, also full power.. I can't auto-play that vault.

Truth is Crusader Ed does the best after IME for me Crusader can auto some, but will lose at times. IME has yet to lose a round, although it's only been like 2 or 3 runs since I got him.

[GrimDusk]

That's interesting. I'll have to try that with Patrice's IME. Until I get him though, I'm gonna keep him where he is.

[Amarthir]

I like this list alot. My only gripe is that I think that Prowler Eddie should be a bit higher on the list. But most of the other stuff is spot on imo



Well, no other Eddie survives that "Vault" on auto. I've tried them all. But IME's fury is a massive hit and, due to relics, fires enough that it tends to just wipe out the other side in 1 hit. Note, I've got him full power, fully shared, and with Warlord talismans.. so there are boosts there. But even just swapping IME with FFE, also full power.. I can't auto-play that vault.

Truth is Crusader Ed does the best after IME for me Crusader can auto some, but will lose at times. IME has yet to lose a round, although it's only been like 2 or 3 runs since I got him.

Actually Benjamin Breeg Eddie has survived it 19/20 times for me on auto since it came out. I use angel and guard and he's always kicked it with like a tiny exception. I back him with KP and Prisoner and the only one who ever dies is Prisoner but he gets revived all the time.

[GrimDusk]

I like this list alot. My only gripe is that I think that Prowler Eddie should be a bit higher on the list. But most of the other stuff is spot on imo




Actually Benjamin Breeg Eddie has survived it 19/20 times for me on auto since it came out. I use angel and guard and he's always kicked it with like a tiny exception. I back him with KP and Prisoner and the only one who ever dies is Prisoner but he gets revived all the time.

Damn I really don't know enough about IME to give a solid opinion, I suppose. I really wish I had him so I could give a more accurate answer to his abilities.

[Yup]

I'd put IME somewhere between FFE and Doomsday... maybe just below Doomsday merely due to how he handles buffs. He is not great at removing or disabling existing buffs on enemies other than the damage type shield buffs. That, to me, is his biggest downfall. As far as hitting power, inflicting buffs, resilience, he's actually pretty good. If his fury actually removed buffs, even simply blue buffs, he'd be a much better Ed.

And.. I love the slight "creepiness" of the fury animation...

[GrimDusk]

I'd put IME somewhere between FFE and Doomsday... maybe just below Doomsday merely due to how he handles buffs. He is not great at removing or disabling existing buffs on enemies other than the damage type shield buffs. That, to me, is his biggest downfall. As far as hitting power, inflicting buffs, resilience, he's actually pretty good. If his fury actually removed buffs, even simply blue buffs, he'd be a much better Ed.

And.. I love the slight "creepiness" of the fury animation...

Oh, I should add this as a note to the list: The order of the Eddies doesn't actually reflect their power, it's just the random order I wrote them in. Again, when I get a hand on IME I'll probably shift him around, but as of now I just got decimated using him, KP, and Prisoner on the Gold and Souls Vault. I'll edit the list once I can formulate an actual opinion.

[Yup]

Gold and Souls... Baroness, IME, KP... but relics and talismans may factor... Destiny on Baroness, Warlord on IME and KP, Sustaining on KP.. and I do have most of the relics now.

[Volrath]

This is good stuff, although I don't think Viking Eddie should be quite so low. His approach to increasing MR isn't just about defense, it improves the damage of most of his attacks. If you do MR up followed by Call to Arms, he starts doing heavy damage. I have a set of Advantage talismans on him which makes it even better. Mine has done 35k+ damage to blue characters in the Arena. He also can heal himself on every turn with Loot, which has saved me in a lot of Arena battles. Not top tier of course, but better than the other ones you have grouped with him.

[HK-47]

I agree with the high Mystic Eddie rating, he was excellent when he first came out, and half decent now if he can survive long enough to get 6 power

[HK-47]

A very well thought out list, although I love Phantom Eddie a lot and think you should consider bumping Phantom Eddie up one tier.

- If you give him Venom talismans he becomes a monster for group damage and debuffs
- Stained Glass is amazingly useful against Golden Effects, pesky shields, Eternal and Destiny talisman sets, and just mass removal of buffs.
- He can inflict Permadeath for pesky Icaruses, and also has a guaranteed stun in his other power ability.
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The fact that only two abilities can inflict sleep is a kinda unnecessary criticism as he doesn't' really get extra turns, you mainly use him to remove buffs at the start to open them up to an attack from your allies, or you use him last to sleep.

[GrimDusk]

This is good stuff, although I don't think Viking Eddie should be quite so low. His approach to increasing MR isn't just about defense, it improves the damage of most of his attacks. If you do MR up followed by Call to Arms, he starts doing heavy damage. I have a set of Advantage talismans on him which makes it even better. Mine has done 35k+ damage to blue characters in the Arena. He also can heal himself on every turn with Loot, which has saved me in a lot of Arena battles. Not top tier of course, but better than the other ones you have grouped with him.

Well it's true that he can deal large damage to certain Magus characters, he falls short due to his low usefulness outside of that. He's pretty much good against only Magus, and that's it. He falls to Warrior characters with ease, is completely negated against Magus Eddies like Seventh Son and Crusader, and Edward the Great was specifically made to counter him. He is good, but he's not very useful outside of his specialty.


A very well thought out list, although I love Phantom Eddie a lot and think you should consider bumping Phantom Eddie up one tier.

- If you give him Venom talismans he becomes a monster for group damage and debuffs
- Stained Glass is amazingly useful against Golden Effects, pesky shields, Eternal and Destiny talisman sets, and just mass removal of buffs.
- He can inflict Permadeath for pesky Icaruses, and also has a guaranteed stun in his other power ability.
-
The fact that only two abilities can inflict sleep is a kinda unnecessary criticism as he doesn't' really get extra turns, you mainly use him to remove buffs at the start to open them up to an attack from your allies, or you use him last to sleep.

Well the sleep point was to show that he requires certain teammates to get the most out of abilities, which I don't entirely find helpful in a game where a team with variety is key. Venom Talismans are nice, but I could then argue that Beast Eddie should be higher because you can thrown Venom Talismans on him as well and he has the same upsides. Permadeath can be cleansed, whereas Perfect Death cannot be and is easily inflicted by certain other toons. Stained Glass is an amazing move though, and I will agree that he is a good Eddie. He's just not as good as some of the other top tier ones. He's perfectly balanced for a 4-star, in my opinion.

[Esquatcho]

From some of the discussion, I think there is also a balance question about what is more important - The ability for an Eddie to auto, or how strong they are in manual.

[GrimDusk]

From some of the discussion, I think there is also a balance question about what is more important - The ability for an Eddie to auto, or how strong they are in manual.

Well most of the high ranking Eddies can be used for both, as far as I'm concerned. Sure, some of the lower ones are more powerful in manual mode than they are in auto but I don't think it's significant enough to change their ranking.

[HK-47]

Good points, I concede. Although the permadeath is supposed to be immediately followed by a killing blow so it can't be cleansed.

Unfortunately in the meta of many games, perfectly balanced doesn't cut it, only crazy powerful .

[GrimDusk]

Good points, I concede. Although the permadeath is supposed to be immediately followed by a killing blow so it can't be cleansed
Unfortunately in the meta of many games, perfectly balanced doesn't cut it, only crazy powerful .

Don't take my statements as the final conclusion though. Phantom Eddie is a good character, and if you enjoy him that's a great thing. My favorite Eddie is Beast Eddie, and he's not viable either in the current meta.

[Zantarath]

if you sharded Run To The Hill's and Holy Smoke then they get pertty beastly almost to the level of samurai

and speed of light is atleast AAA tier, he was bread and butter for annihlating M.lilith when it was the hallow ED era and now if you use his past powermove when you have a character with warlord talis equipped you are looking at 1 turn-KO level of damage (which you can do first turn with the right build) his utility is very high. for example if equipped with oracle set, he will apply one offensive buff to allys with warlord so you can farm super fast i have achieved 14 seconds on LoL and i have yet to break this record

Mummy is decent if sharded and coal giver shouldent be so low

Eternity eddie is atleast SSS if not god tier

[HK-47]

Eternity eddie is atleast SSS if not god tier

Eternity Eddie is the king of slaying Dragon Kings

[GrimDusk]

if you sharded Run To The Hill's and Holy Smoke then they get pertty beastly almost to the level of samurai

and speed of light is atleast AAA tier, he was bread and butter for annihlating M.lilith when it was the hallow ED era and now if you use his past powermove when you have a character with warlord talis equipped you are looking at 1 turn-KO level of damage (which you can do first turn with the right build) his utility is very high. for example if equipped with oracle set, he will apply one offensive buff to allys with warlord so you can farm super fast i have achieved 14 seconds on LoL and i have yet to break this record

Mummy is decent if sharded and coal giver shouldent be so low

Eternity eddie is atleast SSS if not god tier

Holy Smoke and Run to the Hills may deal high damage, but high damage is not the only thing in this game that makes the winning team. If that were the case, Rainmaker would also be much higher. Speed of Light may be good, but other characters also have 1-turn KO levels of damage, some that don't even need enhancing (Gunner Shinobi). He's good, but he's really not amazing. I didn't calculate farming speed, and I guarantee that Speed of Light is not the end-all be-all farming Eddie. That would be Alexander, who can farm pretty much all missions. Mummy is really bad; his utility doesn't stack to the others and his damage is pitiful. Coalgiver is in the same boat as Mummy, just not as much. Eternity Eddie, like I said in the actual guide, is good; however he does not work for every situation. He's great for BNW and he's good in some PvP setups, but I know that you also like to cite his Sekhmet combo as being godly. However, that requires that both of them survive the first turn in PvP, and it takes forever in PvE. Is it doable? Yeah, but it's not efficient.

[Zugzwang]

FFE is also missing a cleanse skill in addition to no revive. If he had them he’d be near perfect.

[Zugzwang]

And I can now auto-play the Gold and Souls Vault thanks to Iron Maiden Eddie. No other Eddie would survive during auto-play on that skull quest (and trust me, I've tried them all)

An Eddie I despise survives on auto. It’s Hallowed Eddie. His extra turns aren’t negated and he isn’t killed ignoring he wears the right talis which apparently he is for me. I don’t even remember which ones they are but can check. I auto G&S Vauly with him now exclusively.

[GrimDusk]

FFE is also missing a cleanse skill in addition to no revive. If he had them he’d be near perfect.

He can cleanse himself, but not his allies. I think that helps out a bit.

EDIT: Rather than make a new post, I'm just gonna add to this one. I have Iron Maiden Eddie now, and quite honestly he's really damn good. I'm going to bump him up a few tiers. Aside from that, no other changes.

EDIT 2: I've done some updating on the descriptions of the Eddies and changed two Eddies' tier entirely: Eternity Eddie now rests in the C-Tier, while Mystic Eddie has been bumped up to A tier. As of now, that should be about it for cleaning up the list; the next Eddie that's likely going to be added is Executioner Eddie from the Book of Souls tour art, so hopefully we all can enjoy him.

[Wanderer]

Good guide, unfortunately I still lack A LOT of Eddies, but yesterday I got Doomsday so I think I am going to fully shard him based on your guide, and the 1 day experience with him. I also wasn't expecting that Ace's bomber Eddie was so low, I kinda like playing with him, he has done a lot for me!
I always have hated the mummy Eddie, some weeks ago I only have that one, the wicker man Eddie and the original warrior Eddie... couldn't do too much.

[GrimDusk]

Good guide, unfortunately I still lack A LOT of Eddies, but yesterday I got Doomsday so I think I am going to fully shard him based on your guide, and the 1 day experience with him. I also wasn't expecting that Ace's bomber Eddie was so low, I kinda like playing with him, he has done a lot for me!
I always have hated the mummy Eddie, some weeks ago I only have that one, the wicker man Eddie and the original warrior Eddie... couldn't do too much.

Ace’s Bomber Eddie is useful in certain situations, but he’s not a meta changer and can’t be good all around. His abilities are mostly single target, and his passive is okay at best, as it suffers from circumstantial use. The damage resistance is nice, but hurting team mates when you take damage and applying marks to characters with certain talismans is only good in a small amount of situations. Doomsday Ed will carry you pretty far.

[Tengu316]

@Grimdusk Just wanted to give ya a quick and big THANK YOU for this list. This has saved my bacon more than a few times now that I've started working the PvP stuff. Your analysis opened my eyes to a few things I completely missed! Thanks, mate!

[GrimDusk]

@Grimdusk Just wanted to give ya a quick and big THANK YOU for this list. This has saved my bacon more than a few times now that I've started working the PvP stuff. Your analysis opened my eyes to a few things I completely missed! Thanks, mate!

No problem man! I’m glad it could help you out.

[Wanderer]

Great guide, and nice addition with the football Eddies, I was wandering how good they are, personally I think that their fury is amazing

[GrimDusk]

Great guide, and nice addition with the football Eddies, I was wandering how good they are, personally I think that their fury is amazing

Yeah they are quite good for four star Eds. Nothing meta changing but nice to have.

[Beddie]

where do you think Oni Eddie will go in this list?

[Yup]

Probably closer to the top. He hit pretty hard, but he's not the most resilient. Defiantly fits 5 star status though.

[GrimDusk]

He is already on the list.

[porotikos]

Amazing list. I would disagree on shaman Eddie. He is really good. Very nice fury, remove beneficial effects and revive with each action. Yes he doesn't deal much damage no matter what, but as long as he stands, he holds your team together

[GrimDusk]

Amazing list. I would disagree on shaman Eddie. He is really good. Very nice fury, remove beneficial effects and revive with each action. Yes he doesn't deal much damage no matter what, but as long as he stands, he holds your team together

Shaman Eddie's revive capability could be useful, but at later points in the arena he's not very useful. Van Helsing Eddie's passive allows him to do Shaman Eddie's job much better, and only one of his abilities has a chance of removing beneficial effects. He is a good Eddie to have for certain event challenges, but he falls off at later points in the arena.

[Bobby2613-8511]

Thanks so much GrimDusk for this list. Even if people disagree with your evaluation it gives a good insight on which Eddie to go for. I recently got Gambler (and yes he's amazing) . I only wanted to add that even if you're right saying Angel and Gambler cost 4500 FC each, the best plan for me has been to buy fragments at 250 FC. Needed 10 packs so for 2500 FC I got Gambler. Now, I don't have another 2500 FC but I might be temped to go for that again in the future and take my 50% chance to get the other one. (a second Gambler would still be good for Gauntlet I guess ;-) )

[GrimDusk]

Thank you for reading, Bobby! I am aware you can technically get angel and gambler for less than 4,500, however that is random chance like you said. I figured it made more sense to point out that the only guaranteed method is through 4,500 frontier coins.

[Muzzleloader]

Bobby, if you are saving your FC for toons then you might consider KP or Alex as a purchase. The chance of pulling a second gambler is way greater than pulling an angel. Since you have w LoL you may consider another LoL.

KP can be used in all aspects of the game and his passive is his best ability. Alex would also be good at grinding the cosmos especially NotB. A second gambler would be of very little help outside of gauntlet.

[Discordian]

The chance of pulling a second gambler is way greater than pulling an angel.

Nope, not way greater, not greater at all. The chance of pulling a second Gambler is exactly the same as the chance of pulling an Angel. Fifty percent.

[Muzzleloader]

Discordian, I dont know what game you are playing.

I have found you are more likely to pull a dupe than a new toon.

I pulled seven same colored liliths in a row. That is a very low probability. This has occurred more times than pulling different toons.

[Discordian]

Discordian, I dont know what game you are playing.

I have found you are more likely to pull a dupe than a new toon.

I pulled seven same colored liliths in a row. That is a very low probability. This has occurred more times than pulling different toons.

But low probability events occur every day, including the existence of every living human being.

We live in a chancy universe. You can flip a coin and get heads 10 times in a row. It's not a miracle, it's just highly unlikely.

If there's a 50% chance of pulling gambler, and you pull 3 in a row, that just means you were unfortunate. But it's a 1:8 chance - and that's not even super-weird. Statistically, it ought to happen - 1 in 8 times. Just like pulling 5 gamblers in a row ought to happen 1 in 32 times.

[Muzzleloader]

Yes, but for most of us the odds are usually against us in the RNG drop. This is not a pure statistical probability program.

[GrimDusk]

Just want to point out, the one time I got an Angel/Gambler soul I got Angel Ed.

[Yup]

During the original event... I pulled 3 Gamblers before I got an Angel... Since then I've use FC to purchase frags for perhaps a second Angel.. but Nope.. Gambler dropped.

[Muzzleloader]

I wasnt saying thier is anything special about angel/gambler pulls. It has happened too many times when there are multiple chances per soul that you pull a certain color more times than the other colors. It happened with Onyx, shardbournes, Crimean etc. Either I have extremely terrible luck with RNG or there seems to be something going on behind the scenes besides pure randomness.

I do get lucky from time to time but not often. Yesterday I pulled the yellow onyx and shardborne from 2 tries each from redemption and absolution souls. I tried 4 mythical heroic souls for musashi along with many legendary and normal heroics but got the goose egg.

I have had three 5* souls drop in one stack or rare souls. The worst run I dropped 175 rare G/A souls with only pulling 3*.

I have accepted the RNG factor and let the chips fall as they may.

[Akuma]

My team for all the Skull Quests, including Gold And Souls Vault is Crusader (Frontier/Cosmic), Madam (Alchemy, Cosmic) and Killer Prime (Warlord, Sustaining, Inspiration - but lots of other talismans also work). I've been running this team on all Skull Quests since forever ago after Gold and Souls Vault came out and I got Killer Prime. Never loses, ever, and does it quickly.

[Blade]

I wasnt saying thier is anything special about angel/gambler pulls. It has happened too many times when there are multiple chances per soul that you pull a certain color more times than the other colors. It happened with Onyx, shardbournes, Crimean etc. Either I have extremely terrible luck with RNG or there seems to be something going on behind the scenes besides pure randomness.

I do get lucky from time to time but not often. Yesterday I pulled the yellow onyx and shardborne from 2 tries each from redemption and absolution souls. I tried 4 mythical heroic souls for musashi along with many legendary and normal heroics but got the goose egg.

I have had three 5* souls drop in one stack or rare souls. The worst run I dropped 175 rare G/A souls with only pulling 3*.

I have accepted the RNG factor and let the chips fall as they may.

What they call "streaky" in terms of triggering effects during fights, also applies to drops. At least that is my experience in many parts of the game. We all have good and bad streaks, that's it and we try to make the best out of it, but we do not always have a choice.

[Bobby2613-8511]

Thank you for reading, Bobby! I am aware you can technically get angel and gambler for less than 4,500, however that is random chance like you said. I figured it made more sense to point out that the only guaranteed method is through 4,500 frontier coins.

I understand :) I point it that out only because, as a returning player to the game, 4500 FC is a lot to get. Having the possibility to acquire a god level Eddie at 2500 FC is something those that read your post might want to know. :o

[Bobby2613-8511]

Bobby, if you are saving your FC for toons then you might consider KP or Alex as a purchase. The chance of pulling a second gambler is way greater than pulling an angel. Since you have w LoL you may consider another LoL.

KP can be used in all aspects of the game and his passive is his best ability. Alex would also be good at grinding the cosmos especially NotB. A second gambler would be of very little help outside of gauntlet.

Thank you for your advice Muzzle, I think I must be like you and pulling often dupes! ;) I see a lot of KP and Alex in veteran's post. Both are good suggestions and I will think about it for sure. I found out this week, I'm able to farm NotB with Gambler and w LoL + any other 3rd. That was a nice surprise.
Food for thoughts!! :o

[GrimDusk]

Okay I'm facing a bit of dilemma, and I want you guys to help decide. Since Cyborg Eddie is going to become an Awakenable character, my ranking of him will change. With Awakened Eddies, do you guys want the fully awakened form to be a different Eddie entry entirely (Cyborg and Max Awakened Cyborg are in different tiers) or should I just have one entry based on the max awakened form?

[Yup]

I'd say awakenable characters are a new tier since 90% of characters at this time (99.9% of Eddies) are capped at gold 5 stars. To me, it would throw off scaling if awakenable characters are seen the same as standard 5 star level 100 characters since awakenables are always going to have higher base stats and more abilities.

And I'm betting that Cyborg Monday is a chance to get an Awakenable Cyborg Eddie -- and any existing Cyborg Eddie will NOT be directly awakenable.. at least that's what I think if things stay true to form.

[GrimDusk]

I'm fairly certain he will be directly awakenable; the raven witch was made awakenable for everyone who already had her.

[Yup]

Just guessing.. but I think the Witch was made awakenable right away because they nerfed her right before that and awakening brought her back to pre-nerf status. So no one could really complain.

[Azagthor]

Okay I'm facing a bit of dilemma, and I want you guys to help decide. Since Cyborg Eddie is going to become an Awakenable character, my ranking of him will change. With Awakened Eddies, do you guys want the fully awakened form to be a different Eddie entry entirely (Cyborg and Max Awakened Cyborg are in different tiers) or should I just have one entry based on the max awakened form?

Separate please, or a hybrid with both ratings in the same entry. Your list is an excellent resource for new/medium players, a way for us to get a feel for what an Eddie can do, how they compare with others, and roughly if they're worth investing skill shards. Max Awakening is not something players can easily do, and once you've able to awaken things, you've also probably got access to all sorts of powerful talismans and other things. Rating the character both Before and After awakening would be the most useful for newer players, letting us know how the standard version works, and how the final version compares. Are they worth using right away, or waiting until Awakening?

[Beddie]

One ranking but do mention where they would be/ were without the Awakening

[GrimDusk]

I decided on doing two different rankings, as there is a large enough difference between the Awakened and Unawakened forms of Cyborg Eddie. This will go for future Eddies as well.

[Azagthor]

I decided on doing two different rankings, as there is a large enough difference between the Awakened and Unawakened forms of Cyborg Eddie. This will go for future Eddies as well.

I'll need to play around with Cyborg a little more, but I don't think his Tase basic works as you'd expect. I think the Stun part of the ability only works if the enemy is at full health AFTER Tase's damage happens. Which only happens when the enemy had invulnerability or a complete damage block. When Tase deals damage, I've never had the stun effect happen. It deals damage, removes effects, then checks to see if enemy is at max HP. I think.

[GrimDusk]

I'll need to play around with Cyborg a little more, but I don't think his Tase basic works as you'd expect. I think the Stun part of the ability only works if the enemy is at full health AFTER Tase's damage happens. Which only happens when the enemy had invulnerability or a complete damage block. When Tase deals damage, I've never had the stun effect happen. It deals damage, removes effects, then checks to see if enemy is at max HP. I think.

I've had that happen as well, so I may need to change his ranking if his passive and fury doesn't make him as good as I feel it will.

EDIT: So, with the cyborg Monday event I am deciding to double down on awakened Eddies as separate listings, because the new Cyborg Cosmic Talisman can only be used by the Max Awakened Cyborg Ed and Bounty Hunter Eddie.

[Beddie]

Would it be possible to add good talisman sets for the Eddies

[GrimDusk]

Would it be possible to add good talisman sets for the Eddies

So for some Eddies I did add a little disclaimer about talismans, but the truth is that most Eddies will work with the same general sets of talismans, with some exception. Warrior Eddies will always go well with Orbit or Viper, Magus with Celestial or Alchemy, Sentinel with a Greed+Warlord or Brave; Gunner with Light, Space, Primordial, or Yin and Yang; and Assassin with Labyrinth, Starfire, Yin/Yang, or Reapers and Sacred. Some Eddies have an exception, like Flight of Icarus who works well with Latern Talismans, but for the most part all of the high tier talisman sets will work well. If you have questions about a particular Eddie and what I personally run on them, I'd be happy to answer.

[Beddie]

Ok then,
What talismans are good on Gambler Eddie?

[GrimDusk]

Ok then,
What talismans are good on Gambler Eddie?

Really depends on what you're doing with him; for a general safe bet, Labyrinth works best. However, for the Infernal Dungeon I'd typically use Radiant and Warlord to hold off the high damage. You could also use those new Forge Talismans, though I have no idea if they work well on him.

[Beddie]

Were do you think Scrooge Eddie will stack up in this list?

[Phoenix-7282]

Love this tier list. Thanks Grimdusk.

[Mathi12]

first of all thank you for your work! this guide helped me a lot recently. do you know if there's a list like this with allies?

[GrimDusk]

first of all thank you for your work! this guide helped me a lot recently. do you know if there's a list like this with allies?

There is not; the closest is Deathbat's effect guide, which can be found here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ge-4IZhyDnpHC0G2yylK8EcFkkukXRt/view. This lists what every character can do, but it doesn't rate them.

[Beddie]

I think you missed out Scrooge Eddie

[Jdawg]

I messaged him in discord. Yeah I’d love to see Scrooge Eddie on the list too.

[GrimDusk]

I fixed it; Scrooge Eddie is now on the list.

[MarkyMark]

Stumbled across this a couple months ago when I first started playing the game - it was super-helpful particularly when it came to helping me figure out which Eddies to power up and also prioritising where to spend Frontier Coins! Thanks very much!

[Beddie]

Honestly surprised LaD isn’t in God tier

[GrimDusk]

Honestly surprised LaD isn’t in God tier

I don't know yet if he's amazing for PvE or the Odin Dungeon.

[SoulGravity]

Awesome job! I have max awakened Thor if you have a spot in troopers I can put it up and equip just about anyway you would like. I will check back on this thread to see what you think about the offer

[SoulGravity]

And I can now auto-play the Gold and Souls Vault thanks to Iron Maiden Eddie. No other Eddie would survive during auto-play on that skull quest (and trust me, I've tried them all)

I have to disagree, I used Van Helsing, maxed dark Lilith and either Luci or A-wolf and auto run all skulls with it. Use to auto run all skulls with angel Eddie without dying.

[IronMaster]

Look at the date. It's more than a year ago

[Yup]

Things have gotten CONSIDERABLY easier over the past year with that Skull Quest.. I now run it with Navigator, who had no chance in hell when it was first released.

[SoulGravity]

I didn't look at the date, I was oblivious to that. I actually thought it was a more recent post.

[SoulGravity]

Things have gotten CONSIDERABLY easier over the past year with that Skull Quest.. I now run it with Navigator, who had no chance in hell when it was first released.

It's quite possible, I haven't explored what will complete them without dying. I try to stay active helping the clan and using all troopers. I really don't do a whole lot more than that. I know you have better insight to the game I do since you have been at it longer than myself. BTW I do wanna thank you and all the others that give tips and help out the more novice players like myself.

[Muzzleloader]

With maxed dark lilith you can use most every Eddie as long as you give them good health to withstand the possible revenge in round three.

[Yup]

Additionally.... with Prince Wrath and Gnnr Maiden you can use almost any AoE Eddie as well... and the revenge/counter isn't a factor. no one's left alive to revenge.

[The Killer]

Shaman Eddie got reworked so where would he be now?

[GrimDusk]

Shaman Eddie got reworked so where would he be now?

I am reworking the entire tier list, so I can't say for certain. Maybe S?

[The Killer]

Noticed you forgot Shaman and Tailgunner Eddie. I'm not going to kill you because of it, I just wanted you to know.

[Blueclaw666]

I am reworking the entire tier list, so I can't say for certain. Maybe S?

Thanks for keeping this list updated. I noticed your latest additions. :cool:

[GrimDusk]

Thanks! I've been trying to keep it up to date as much as possible.