Arena Etiquette

[SDTull]

Arena is a place of individual competition, as such Clan influences should not interfere. Intentionally throwing matches to "boost" another player isn't fair to the other players. From this point forward if a Clan, or even a friendly group of players, that can clearly be seen to be throwing matches will be immediately outed. Note, this doesn't cover using ironite fueled refreshes. This isn't against any rule but still, how can you call yourself Eternal if you do this constantly?

Keep Arena fair, we have enough to worry about with the rampant bugs. We shouldn't have to fight a whole Clan. That's what Clan Wars will be for.

If you agree with this please reply in the affirmative below and your Clan name.

Thank You

SDTull
Blood Brothers Clan

[Discordian]

As First Officer and spokeman for Romero's Legion, we wholeheartedly agree and co-sign this with the Blood Brothers.

Over the last year, it's become increasingly common for players running for Eternal to receive "boosts" - usually in the form of 5 rapid losses - from their friends. This is terribly obvious to the more experienced players who keep an eye on the score in the arena.

No more of this nonsense; both of our clans - and I'm sure many other experienced players - have their eyes open.

Fair Arena for all players to prove their individual skills.

Discordian
Romero's Legion

[RobG-9641]

Hopefully the Developers will monitor for artificial point gains. By adding Thor Eddie to #1 rank’s prize, they incentivize why a clan would work to promoting someone in their clan to win #1. After a few weeks, a couple players in the same clan could all have a Thor Eddie. Once clan wars goes live, it could be a big advantage. Developers should really rethink the top rewards of Arena... or check the fight log of #1 spot to see if players in their clan lost excessively to them...

[Saints_sin]

Thor isnt a weekly arena reward

Discordian will have the only thor until i catch up with him and get mine followed by crusader and finally who ever came 3rd in the arena and yes people should just stop cheating in arena its boring when people power hop

[RobG-9641]

Thor is not a WEEKLY REWARD TOON or is everyone stupid discordian is the only person who will have thor so romarios legion will have the only thor until frogs of war claims our 2 thors with crusader at 750 frags and my self at 950 fragments will people please read thor was described as a long term goal for most players

We’re not stupid. Thor is the reward for #1. It is not specified it is a one time reward. It may or may not be a reward for other weeks of Arena too. The developers didn’t say if it a one time only reward. So slow your roll...

[Ydex]

Hey guys, this sounds AWESOM-- I mean, bad. Can you tell me exactly how it works?..

I'm gonna tell all the guys in my clan to definitely NOT do this. We HATE getting cool toons.

[Discordian]

Hey guys, this sounds AWESOM-- I mean, bad. Can you tell me exactly how it works?..

I'm gonna tell all the guys in my clan to definitely NOT do this. We HATE getting cool toons.

It's quite simple really. You make it clan policy not to have the whole clan ready to toss 5 wins towards the person running for Eternal every time they show up in the attack list.

[Ydex]

:::taking notes::: Yes, yes. I will totally NOT do this very bad thing.

[SDTull]

You do know the devs have banned people in the past for this. Right?

[Ydex]

What can I say, I'm a sucker for "bad boy" types.

[Natasmai]

This whole thing is a joke. For those foolish enough to agree to have a sense of morality, good luck not getting screwed by those less scrupulous than yourselves. Push comes to shove, most people are going to choose to ask there friends to "help" them get more points if they are close to a goal. Others wouldnt even ask for help and just receive it anyway. How are the people who supposedly agree to this going to be able to control what other people do? They can simply say "hey I didnt ask or want anyone to toss matches for me, but they just did it anyway". How can anyone prove anything?

A) It's a f__king game, so play it.
B) Arena is a dumpster fire anyway, so who cares. It's the worst mode of play in this game and this topic is just one of the reasons.
C) you expect the dev's to care? All this topic does is allow people to waste resources, which is exactly what the dev's want you to do. Please, waste ironite on refreshes, please waste SoW on tossing free wins... what is the downside for the game exactly?

[Natasmai]

You do know the devs have banned people in the past for this. Right?

This is a joke right? There is nothing in the game rules that says I cannot attack the same person 5 times with a single ed to dump my rating. I do it all the time when I'm trying to dump my rating for easier wins. How is that any different than choosing any particular person to dump 5 losses on?

Bottom line is stop crying about fairness and get good.

[Ydex]

HONOR. INTEGRITY. These are the principles of the clan.

When we hit that "Check In" button, we are upholding the traditions of society's most revered heroes.. who.. clicked buttons. For basically no reason.

[hugoW]

If it's possible to happen it will happen regardless any agreement, it can be a guy trolling, a enemy trying his best teams to beat the defense, a friend helping, a clan boosting, a event achievment to be completed, a random guy trying to go down on rank... The game allows for 5 losses and 2 revenges... that said everyone in this game is somehow trying to gain advantage over everyone else and the game itself.

A game design rule says that: If in order to win the game 1 player must attack, and in the gameplay says to "hide", every time the player will attack and ignore what the game says.

So if anyone can solve this is the game developers, if they think it's an exploitable source and unfair player tactics. If they don't think so, it's not with an agreement that something is going to change.
NF alredy has it limited to 5 times anyway, it could be infinite.

[SDTull]

This is a joke right? There is nothing in the game rules that says I cannot attack the same person 5 times with a single ed to dump my rating. I do it all the time when I'm trying to dump my rating for easier wins. How is that any different than choosing any particular person to dump 5 losses on?

Bottom line is stop crying about fairness and get good.

Let's see. Get good. I beat you in Gauntlet last cycle, with plenty of toons left, I might add. Took Eternal twice, first was a meta changer and scored 10k points despite not starting my run until a Monday morning. WITHOUT help. Don't talk to me about being good.

[Zugzwang]

Thor isnt a weekly arena reward

Discordian will have the only thor until i catch up with him and get mine followed by crusader and finally who ever came 3rd in the arena and yes people should just stop cheating in arena its boring when people power hop

What do you mean until frogs of war “claim our 2 Thors”?

Frogs of war did not have 2 players in the top 4.

How would you get a Thor before whoever “Crusader” is (I’m assuming It’s Patrick who placed 2nd place in arena) and before Patrice who was 3rd place in arena?

[Natasmai]

We're not talking about me, we are talking about you. Clearly you weren't "good enough" to win the (insert prize you want here) so instead of trying harder you chose to complain about "fairness". That's all I'm saying. As far as I'm aware, no one "hacked" the game and played outside of the normal rules of the game. So it all seems fair to me.

[Azagthor]

Wouldn't mind some official confirmation either way if the Thor rewards are every week, or only for that last one.


Do people really find each other often enough to be able to boost each other through intentional losses? Not sure I've ever seen a clanmate more than once.

[GrimDusk]

We’re not stupid. Thor is the reward for #1. It is not specified it is a one time reward. It may or may not be a reward for other weeks of Arena too. The developers didn’t say if it a one time only reward. So slow your roll...

https://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?12783-Updates-from-the-News-Frontier-December-5th-2019

It does say that Thor will be a long term goal for players, so I have a feeling he was a one time thing. If not, then they probably would've added him to the Eternal "Ranked Rewards" section in the arena tab, no?

[razgriz]

isn't it random generated when getting a new set of opponents in arena? usually i get 2-4 lower teams in my lineup but lately they're all within 100 points of me, all on that list are 2500 and up; also the only time i see easy defenses are during events for large amount of pvp wins also with over 2 years of playing i've only seen someone from top 25 when i've been close and that hasn't been since before these changes to pvp ranking7244

[SDTull]

We're not talking about me, we are talking about you. Clearly you weren't "good enough" to win the (insert prize you want here) so instead of trying harder you chose to complain about "fairness". That's all I'm saying. As far as I'm aware, no one "hacked" the game and played outside of the normal rules of the game. So it all seems fair to me.

You don't get it do you? I wasn't even trying for Eternal. This is something That Romero's Legion and us put together. Do the math.

[Natasmai]

What do you mean until frogs of war “claim our 2 Thors”?

Frogs of war did not have 2 players in the top 4.

How would you get a Thor before whoever “Crusader” is (I’m assuming It’s Patrick who placed 2nd place in arena) and before Patrice who was 3rd place in arena?

Because just like everything else in this game, some things were bugged and certain people gain an advantage if they are willing to pay the cash for it.

Personally, I was able to buy the $1 ironite gamble box more than 5 times. It was the cheapest offering of ironite I've ever seen in the game, so I bought more than $5 worth. How did it happen? Why only for some people? Who knows, but as long as it's putting cash into the company's account, I bet they won't care. And if they do, feel free to give my cash back including taxes and a modest interest, and take the ironite it got from it. I'm betting that won't happen though.

[Natasmai]

You don't get it do you? I wasn't even trying for Eternal. This is something That Romero's Legion and us put together. Do the math.

I know the math, I talk to the romero crew all the time. I understand their position (and yours I suppose). I'm just saying that position is 100% wrong. It's just my opinion. And maybe I'm a cynical a-hole, but if anyone thinks that this "gentlemen's agreement" means anything.... well then I have got a bridge to sell you.

[Discordian]

I know the math, I talk to the romero crew all the time. I understand their position (and yours I suppose). I'm just saying that position is 100% wrong. It's just my opinion. And maybe I'm a cynical a-hole, but if anyone thinks that this "gentlemen's agreement" means anything.... well then I have got a bridge to sell you.

Posted a variant of this on Discord - but here for the forum: We tried to do something that we thought would benefit everybody's honorable play; most of us into this game got into it because we're into a band that sings about honor and righteous glory pretty constantly, whose fans are generally awesome people - I've never had a bad experience with a fan at Maiden concert - and who I'd have assumed to be cool people on the whole. Things seem different with Maiden fans on the internet.

Cleaning up the blatant cheating in Arena would have been nice. But I guess our clan will adhere to that code, as will Blood Brothers. And hopefully, some more clans will make the decision to join us.

Personally, I rather proud of having gotten the Eternals that I have, even when offers came in to boost me when one person was being a bit of a twat and spending ironite (!) just to knock me down a couple hundred points when they weren't even in the running for it. I had offers to get me back up over 8,000. I turned them down.

Personally, since my name ain't Barry Bonds, I'm not wanting asterisks next to my medals. I'd rather take a silver, or for that matter 4th or 11th place, and be happy enough with that.

Guess in the world of hiding behind screen names and posturing, the same rules don't apply to when we're all singing along to "Fear of the Dark" at a show. Or playing foosball at the pub afterwards. And that's fine. Those who want to cheat will cheat. Have fun with it.

And have fun with my constantly-changing Christmas defense team; I'm not planning on going for another eternal any time soon. Needed a distraction the last few weeks, and got one.

Cheers to those who decide they'd rather win by building better teams, coming up with interesting synergies, figuring out what works best on defense and what on offense, and likes to clear their lists.

Maybe that just proves my naïveté when it comes to online gaming; this is the only one I've played.

[Yup]

Discordian posting about honor is laughable.

[scott-5496]

If there are folk who want to stack the deck using the mechanics of the game then this is what will happen is my view. This will never change, it is human nature that some of us always want to win, regardless of what it takes to get there. In some ways I am like this. If I face a team and get beat once in arena I want to try again, but if I get owned again then that is usually it for me unless it was really close. I will never 'drop' a match for anyone or anything except myself - like putting up a weak defence in an event - that is for me and the other people who put up a weak defence. Most of the time that works just fine.

I try not to beat weak teams unless U have a weak team and I get annoyed a bit when folk hit my weak defence with a strong attack team and have a strong defence team - but I get why that happens - they have not asked me to put a weak defence so why should they bother or care...and they are right of course.

It would be great to all be the same when it comes to general rules/etiquette etc but not everyone is the same and again if the game allows such actions then it is the game design that needs to be changes as there is always going to be folks who will do anything to win...and I guess that is their right if the game allows it to happen...and this one does.

I think the whole 'play fair' is a great idea but if there is one (or two or however many) dissenter(s) then it can't work...so this won't work as there is always someone out there, be it one or many who always have to win or at least try what they can to win. never mind those that just like a bit of chaos and a 'get it right up yae' (Scottish banter) vibe going on...we as humans will never change.

[Saints_sin]

Because just like everything else in this game, some things were bugged and certain people gain an advantage if they are willing to pay the cash for it.

Personally, I was able to buy the $1 ironite gamble box more than 5 times. It was the cheapest offering of ironite I've ever seen in the game, so I bought more than $5 worth. How did it happen? Why only for some people? Who knows, but as long as it's putting cash into the company's account, I bet they won't care. And if they do, feel free to give my cash back including taxes and a modest interest, and take the ironite it got from it. I'm betting that won't happen though.

Pretty much yeah it happens with a lot of purchases like the black friday tali packs ect it just happened i was able to buy 2 thor packs i still paid the same price for both of em so i dont see the problemm

[Saints_sin]

Discordian posting about honor is laughable.


Ahh there we go the sarcastic wanker who picks fights without a reason

[Patrice-1201]

Posted a variant of this on Discord - but here for the forum: We tried to do something that we thought would benefit everybody's honorable play; most of us into this game got into it because we're into a band that sings about honor and righteous glory pretty constantly, whose fans are generally awesome people - I've never had a bad experience with a fan at Maiden concert - and who I'd have assumed to be cool people on the whole. Things seem different with Maiden fans on the internet.

Cleaning up the blatant cheating in Arena would have been nice. But I guess our clan will adhere to that code, as will Blood Brothers. And hopefully, some more clans will make the decision to join us.

Personally, I rather proud of having gotten the Eternals that I have, even when offers came in to boost me when one person was being a bit of a twat and spending ironite (!) just to knock me down a couple hundred points when they weren't even in the running for it. I had offers to get me back up over 8,000. I turned them down.

Personally, since my name ain't Barry Bonds, I'm not wanting asterisks next to my medals. I'd rather take a silver, or for that matter 4th or 11th place, and be happy enough with that.

Guess in the world of hiding behind screen names and posturing, the same rules don't apply to when we're all singing along to "Fear of the Dark" at a show. Or playing foosball at the pub afterwards. And that's fine. Those who want to cheat will cheat. Have fun with it.

And have fun with my constantly-changing Christmas defense team; I'm not planning on going for another eternal any time soon. Needed a distraction the last few weeks, and got one.

Cheers to those who decide they'd rather win by building better teams, coming up with interesting synergies, figuring out what works best on defense and what on offense, and likes to clear their lists.

Maybe that just proves my naïveté when it comes to online gaming; this is the only one I've played.

And thanks for a great battle last week!

[Zugzwang]

Pretty much yeah it happens with a lot of purchases like the black friday tali packs ect it just happened i was able to buy 2 thor packs i still paid the same price for both of em so i dont see the problemm

Thanks for explaining. Yea there’s no problem with that at all. If something is for sale and one chooses to buy it that’s completely up to the individual.

If there is a said limit to how many times something can be purchased, but the game “glitches” allows more to than the limit to be bought then that’s the developer’s “problem” (wink wink) and I’m sure they’re all running around trying to fix it as we speak! 😂

[Zugzwang]

Discordian posting about honor is laughable.

On these very forums, you admitted to knocking down Discordian’s rank below 8k so he wouldn’t get a gold medal out of spite when you weren’t even in the running that week and you did it by refreshing and attacking only him in the / hours before reset.

Does that bring you enjoyment? If so, why? I mean you saw what he wrote about us all being Maiden fans and how we would be friendly after a show or at the pub (except Natasmai of course—who said he would stomp someone who’d fallen in the pit rather than help them up). I wouldn’t want to fall down in a pit at a Maiden show near him I guess!

[Saints_sin]

Thanks for explaining. Yea there’s no problem with that at all. If something is for sale and one chooses to buy it that’s completely up to the individual.

If there is a said limit to how many times something can be purchased, but the game “glitches” allows more to than the limit to be bought then that’s the developer’s “problem” (wink wink) and I’m sure they’re all running around trying to fix it as we speak! 😂


Yeah they aint gonna fix it when it lines there pockets they sadly removed the thor bundle before i could get round to buying my 3rd pack to finish off my frags but ohh well it gives me a boost looks like ill just have to grind the last 550 frags just gives me time to farm enough mats/gold to max awaken him straight away

[Doomsday667]

Don't mix things up with double purchases like thor packs etc.
That's a totally different thing compared to the arena "push". Also weak defense during events is different.

Stuart appeals to our good sense to keep things fair arena, after some collected points and raised high in the sky on the leaderboards.
Sure, the game allows to re-attack and lose. But that's why the topic came up.

See it as an unwritten guideline between the player.

As it is a controvers discussion and some disagree, I decided (with my clan) to keep it fair like stuart said.

I can't follow some argumentation of players, who can't accept fair playing unless unfairness is forbidden. But that's my opinion. I don't want to blame anyone.

I mean, could you be proud of "your" performance others do for you? (Just my thoughts)

Doomsday
Leader of BloodBrother2

[Saints_sin]

Don't mix things up with double purchases like thor packs etc.
That's a totally different thing compared to the arena "push". Also weak defense during events is different.

Stuart appeals to our good sense to keep things fair arena, after some collected points and raised high in the sky on the leaderboards.
Sure, the game allows to re-attack and lose. But that's why the topic came up.

See it as an unwritten guideline between the player.

As it is a controvers discussion and some disagree, I decided (with my clan) to keep it fair like stuart said.

I can't follow some argumentation of players, who can't accept fair playing unless unfairness is forbidden. But that's my opinion. I don't want to blame anyone.

I mean, could you be proud of "your" performance others do for you? (Just my thoughts)

Doomsday
Leader of BloodBrother2



Someone else brought thor up i was just clarifying why i had 950 frags

[Doomsday667]

Someone else brought thor up i was just clarifying why i had 950 frags

no worries, mate.

[Yup]

On these very forums, you admitted to knocking down Discordian’s rank below 8k so he wouldn’t get a gold medal out of spite when you weren’t even in the running that week and you did it by refreshing and attacking only him in the / hours before reset.


No. There was no malice.

I wasn't near the top.. wasn't watching numbers....

It was a week later or so when I was at #2 and roughly 5300pts, when I realize that simply being #2 wasn't enough to get the Silver soul.. you HAD to be #2 AND ALSO hit 6K points. So I extrapolated that #1 must mean you needed #1 AND 8k pts (at that time) to get the Gold soul... I realize i had hit Dicksordian previously when he was a ~8k and my attack dropped him to ~7.9k. That must have meant my attack caused him to not get the Gold soul. In short I had no clue at the time that by beating the #1 team I could possibly cause that user to not get the Gold soul if they were just edging 8k pts.

It was never intentional. It was ONE attack... that's all. I don't watch the number of others... because well.. you just aren't that important to me. The only time I even look at number if if I'm going head to head with someone to place.. and I need to stay ahead of them. but if I ain't in the top three... I really do not give the slightest shit.

And then they posted some silly image defaming me.... so.. yeah... I can see how that would have pissed someone off. So I assumed it was this that spurred the insulting comments int heir "secret" clan image -- which they pay to be a member of (hahahaahah).

That whole "secret society" has some real delusions stuff they cycle among each other. Me.. I'm just playing a game..... NONE of you are important enough for me to have some sort of vendetta or grudge against.

And since that time redacted has proven himself to me to be a liar and dishonorable. Not a big deal.. some people suck. But surely preaching about "honor" is laughable given the source.

[Discordian]

{A pack of lies, a bunch of insults, and about the biggest steaming pile of dung ever posted on a web forum}

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No, you toffee-nosed git, two weeks before that when three members of my clan - wipp, Stonewall, and myself - won the top 3. You were ticked off at some forum nonsense, and decided to repeatedly attack all three of us, almost making Stonewall - who didn't even have a beef with you - lose his Eternal status altogether. I got 20 losses to you in the matter of an hour because you were obviously just using ironite refreshes to take us down. And you didn't "need the points" to get a place, you weren't in the running. You didn't "attack me once". You went after all three of us.

I wish I'd made some screengrabs of all the "Can't Revenge" losses to you in a row, with the team you specially crafted to take on my defense. Of course, every time I was on offense, I whupped you like the pathetic little tool you are.

Point of fact, you were pissed at me, figured out who else was in my clan by our Trickster avatars, and even though you were nowhere NEAR "5300 points" as the abpve screengrab indicates, you decided to try to ruin our days in the last hours of that week's arena. Because you're a petty, vindictive, shriveled husk of a human being with nothing better to do that to waste your ironite on this crap.

You are the least honorable person on this forum.

Now why don't you take your petty bullshit back to where whatever hole you were shat out of, and continue to complain about how you're the unluckiest man alive, how the game is always screwing you over, how small your manhood is, or whatever pathetic, petty gripe you have at any given time.

[Stonewall]

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No, you toffee-nosed git, two weeks before that when three members of my clan - wipp, Stonewall, and myself - won the top 3. You were ticked off at some forum nonsense, and decided to repeatedly attack all three of us, almost making Stonewall - who didn't even have a beef with you - lose his Eternal status altogether. I got 20 losses to you in the matter of an hour because you were obviously just using ironite refreshes to take us down. And you didn't "need the points" to get a place, you weren't in the running. You didn't "attack me once". You went after all three of us.


I can verify that the attacks from Yup were non-stop. All of a sudden it was a constant barrage of attacks. I thought there was a bug in the game but it just kept happening. He wasn't a contender so I assumed he was just being a troll, or some little kid that didn't get his way....

[Yup]

7253





Oh the lies...... I can edit images as well.


Note how the POINTS ARE THE SAME IN ALL THREE items... poor image editing there.... If I beat you 3 times.. why would my points be the same???? You just showed your hand Dicksordian.


I can verify that the attacks from Yup were non-stop. All of a sudden it was a constant barrage of attacks. I thought there was a bug in the game but it just kept happening. He wasn't a contender so I assumed he was just being a troll, or some little kid that didn't get his way....

Same "pay me" clan.. against TOS.. no surprise, kid.

You are all quite pathetic.

[Discordian]

I assumed he was just being a troll, or some little kid that didn't get his way....

Holy shit - I've figured out who Yup is - he's Donald Trump playing LotB!

[Zugzwang]

Oh the lies...... I can edit images as well.


Note how the POINTS ARE THE SAME IN ALL THREE items... poor image editing there.... If I beat you 3 times.. why would my points be the same???? You just showed your hand Dicksordian.



Same "pay me" clan.. against TOS.. no surprise, kid.

You are all quite pathetic.

The points will always the same in an image like that. They show the “current” point total of the attacker. How long have you been playing again?

[Stonewall]

Holy shit - I've figured out who Yup is - he's Donald Trump playing LotB!

Yes it seems that we do have a Trump Crybaby on board....go ahead and stomp your feet when you don't get your way and blame everyone but yourself for the failure....meanwhile we are all having fun with this game! Maybe one day you can be GREAT again, in the meantime leave your antics at the door....thx

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[Ydex]

Nice try, sweaty. Did you forget I have a copy of the un-doctored image?

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[Zugzwang]

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In all seriousness. You recently attacks me and lost then attacked again then won. Your points are the same as are everyone elses. Just the way the game is.

[Ceeg_LOTB]

Keep things civil or the thread will be locked/closed. Thanks

[wipp]

Yes all 3 of us,as soon as we turned on tricksters you jumped all over us. Thats what arenas for tho. Attack the shit outta me if u want. Im just confirming it did happen and discos screen shot is real.

[Zugzwang]

Keep things civil or the thread will be locked/closed. Thanks

Yea that seems to happen a lot in threads I comment on! 🤔 Gonna keep my mouth shut. This is a good thread. Wouldn’t want it locked.

[Natasmai]

On these very forums, you admitted to knocking down Discordian’s rank below 8k so he wouldn’t get a gold medal out of spite when you weren’t even in the running that week and you did it by refreshing and attacking only him in the / hours before reset.

Does that bring you enjoyment? If so, why? I mean you saw what he wrote about us all being Maiden fans and how we would be friendly after a show or at the pub (except Natasmai of course—who said he would stomp someone who’d fallen in the pit rather than help them up). I wouldn’t want to fall down in a pit at a Maiden show near him I guess!

LOL basically, IMO there isnt really a reason to have a pit at a maiden concert. when I go, I get a seat and sit back and enjoy the experience. but a maiden pit isnt a rowdy pit. So if your ass falls in a softcore maiden pit.... i mean I'm just gonna stomp ya for spite. Now in a REAL pit? Lamb of God, Amon Amarth, Power trip... Then you help a brother (or sister) out!


Don't mix things up with double purchases like thor packs etc.
That's a totally different thing compared to the arena "push". Also weak defense during events is different.

Stuart appeals to our good sense to keep things fair arena, after some collected points and raised high in the sky on the leaderboards.
Sure, the game allows to re-attack and lose. But that's why the topic came up.

See it as an unwritten guideline between the player.

As it is a controvers discussion and some disagree, I decided (with my clan) to keep it fair like stuart said.

I can't follow some argumentation of players, who can't accept fair playing unless unfairness is forbidden. But that's my opinion. I don't want to blame anyone.

I mean, could you be proud of "your" performance others do for you? (Just my thoughts)

Doomsday
Leader of BloodBrother2

Why wouldnt you be proud that your team worked together "the best" and won over some other players/teams? I dont understand why it should be shameful that a team game (since they introduced clans, they are insinuating that they want it to be a cooperative, team game) was won by great teamwork and planning?


Keep things civil or the thread will be locked/closed. Thanks

I LOVE how you guys always need to pop in here and tell us to keep it civil.... except the only reason it is aggravated in here is because you guys wont simply step in, say "this is what we feel on the subject" end of story. You have differing opinions of people arguing over what they think should or shouldnt be acceptable. Meanwhile, the company running the game COULD simply make a statement saying "We are fine with things as is" or "This was an unintended effect of the games design and we are looking into possible ways to fix it" End of story, no more arguing, no more malice.

Same thing goes for the problem with Zug and me over the Moonchild materials. YOU GUYS screwed up. I asked for a clarification in a public forum. You answered me in a private message. People publicly noticed the moonchild was maxed and asked questions. Now comes the controversy. Handling things in private as you guys did, made things look shady and underhanded, like you were showing me some level of favoritism. I had nothing to do with any of it. I just wanted to know when and how I could get the materials. Instead of simply making an announcement in public, you caused days worth of malice between groups of your players.

How many times will this happen before you guys learn the basic concept of customer service and customer relations?

You want us to calm down in here? Do your damn job and tell us whether the arena "bumping" is acceptable or not, as an official game statement. If it is not, tell us whether you intend to work on a fix for it. tell us whether there will or should be punishments and consequences for doing it. Or, tell us it is all good and shut up the whiners. I dont friggin care either way personally, just put an end to it, not by threatening to lock a thread and censoring us, but by answering the question.

[Muzzleloader]

There was a similar type problem a few months ago. A certain player was hitting only weak defensive teams during an event. The problem wasnt the actual attack it was the number of attacks in a short period of time. I was personally hit 5 times in seven minutes, which was a mathematical improbability.

The LotB team said they would look into the matter and it would be taken care of in the near future. The situation stopped , but with no explanation of how the fix was accomplished.

I know the mechanics of the game of using ironite to refresh repeatedly is a bonus to your bottom line. Is there a way to limit the number of times someone can attack another player in a day similar to the revenge attack limit?

[Zugzwang]

Since they introduced beta clans I had this idea on how they could fix the arena problem and I’m sure they have too, but it’s hard to explain and would take work to implement. It’s not flashy like the graphics (which are really an improvement over when the game started) and would be all “behind the scenes coding” without anything cool looking or money making when it was finished.

Anyway the super short version is if you have 2 clans: “A” & “B” and the players in each clan; player X, Player Y etc... In any 7 day arena week all 30 players in “clan A” could only attack player X in “clan B” say 25 times for a combined total for example.

Another way to put it is; all 30 members of the clan Bloodbrothers could only attack Discordian in Romero’s Legion or Natasmai in Jom’s Vikings 25 times total. So if I sat there and refreshed to hit Discordian like Yup did 25 times then nobody else in BloodBrothers would be able to do so for the remainder of the arena week. The number and time frame are arbitrary and I’m not a game designer so I don’t know the logistics of something like this at all, but I suspect whatever they did would take a lot of work and would not necessarily bring in revenue. What fixing it could do though, is prevent people from being discouraged and leaving the game out of a sense of frustration as many have done.

The 24 hour waiting period between leaving a clan and joining a clan would have to be increased as well so this idea may be completely unrealistic, but LOTB developers and programmers would be able to figure something like this out if they wanted to. Maybe they don’t — I don’t know.

A simpler idea which was mentioned in the past was to to put a cap on the max number of total battles per week that could be played by any player.

Winning % for attack and defense would have been used to rank players. Instead of the point system currently use. The cap could be 500 battles, 800, 1,000 whatever. But this idea would cut revenue (slightly) by limiting battles per week. But there could have been an ironite “fee” or charge each players based on what tier they were in, so If someone wasn’t playing and was in a bottom tier they wouldn’t be charged any ironite—they’d just get the satellite 15 type reward. This may also have been a terrible idea to fix the arena mechanics, but the point is that they could be fixed by a team of people that design mobile games for a living if the desire to do so was there. This particular idea would not be adopted they said, because the base code wouldn’t support it and writing new code for it wasn’t a priority, nor was it cost effective.

But I happen to agree with Natasmai on his one point about the customer relations team finding out how the development team feels about what’s going on and whether or not they approve of it. If they do there are some clans full of legendary players that could surely “out cheat” the clan I’m in, but we could also beat out some other clans depending on who was playing that week. I personally don’t like the clan boosting that goes on at all, but if the dev team feels it is a fair part of the game then I’d be on board to try it—even though it would make me feel like a toffee-nosed, shriveled husk, a rapscallion and ne’er-do-well.

[Yup]

Everyone can only attack the lists they are shown.. you all are making shit up.... and WHINING about it like children.

[SDTull]

https://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5605-Saturdays-Really&highlight=Flaw
Some of you really should read this thread.

[Zugzwang]

https://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5605-Saturdays-Really&highlight=Flaw
Some of you really should read this thread.

I mean Jofer wasn’t event smart enough to hit “exit”’ to lose a battle on purpose. He thought you had to bring a single Eddie in with no talismans on to lose.

I can’t say I recommend anyone read that entire thread again. You’ll never get that wasted time back.

The devs still need to fix the arena after releasing beta clans exposed new exploits, but they also need to fix connectivity issues and work on the promised new content. An official statement on how they feel about the current pvp issue would be enough for now I think. Devs, yay or nay on the clan boosting?

[Discordian]

Yea only the lists they are shown. There is no refresh button for 10 ironite. We are making it all up you’re right.

Oh you didn't know? Yup has the worst luck ever. Nothing every goes his way. Things break for him when they don't break for other people, and he experiences WAY more server crashes, lockouts, and other annoying shit than the rest of us.

We all have wonderful experiences every time we play this game, and everything works perfectly for us. Yup, on the other hand, is tormented by the game. Hence the constant whining like a baby with a missing pacifier.

Of course, that only explains the whining. The lying... well, there's no explanation for that besides being a miserable dingleberry.

I think Stonewall got it right: we need to make Yump great again!

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[Yup]

What the hell are you even going on about?

Seems this has all taken on it's own life and now is completely non-sensical.

If any of you think I would refresh merely to attack you again.. you REALLY need to check your level of sheer arrogance. None of you are that important.

The Trump thing is hilarious.... since only brain-dead children who know absolutely nothing about me would make that comparison..

And Zugzwang.. ask me to be in your clan.. try to be my "buddy" then pull this crap.. are you 12 years old as well???

Seriously folks, it's a GAME. That's all it is. Making it personal really reflects on your level of maturity.

[Zugzwang]

How about before the thread gets locked we wait to see if the devs respond with a position on the current exploit in arena now that clan beta has brought it to light?

[Discordian]

Yump, you seem mad. You mad Yump?

[Zugzwang]

What the hell are you even going on about?

Seems this has all taken on it's own life and now is completely non-sensical.

If any of you think I would refresh merely to attack you again.. you REALLY need to check your level of sheer arrogance. None of you are that important.

The Trump thing is hilarious.... since only brain-dead children who know absolutely nothing about me would make that comparison..

And Zugzwang.. ask me to be in your clan.. try to be my "buddy" then pull this crap.. are you 12 years old as well???

Seriously folks, it's a GAME. That's all it is. Making it personal really reflects on your level of maturity.

I’m not pulling any crap with you Yup. I simply pointed out that the victory point totals are always the current totals. I suggest you just cop to it and admit what you did rather than lie about it. It remains to be seen whether or not it’s considered a ban-able offense by the current dev team. And when I asked you to be in the clan it was because we were looking for a replacement for Lufata and your name was mentioned. Totally unrelated to the current conversation.

[Yup]

I think you kiddies are HILARIOUS! :) Really. Its funny you all are so worked up over some stupid little app :)

You've all have just fabricated a complete story to spin in order to justify one user attacking me. And you all simply pile on.. like dogs.. There's nothing for me to "cop to". Dev can absolutely check my app history.. I have no issue with that. Unlike many.. I've always been open, honest, and forthright. It's a game.. there's really little point to doing what you all are doing and making up things to target another user. I mean what's the goal??? Just to make me feel bad? That ain't gunna happen. And why would you even want to do that?? I'm of absolutely no consequence to you playing or enjoying this app. So again what's the goal?? To hurt another person? You may want to look inward a bit. If anything is "bannable" it certainly won't be my behavior. All this in a thread about "etiquette" which, to me, proves how little some have.

If attacking me makes you feel better.. then by all means.. feel free to attack this random anonymous username. It means nothing. I understand that everyone is dealing with things in life I know nothing about. If my being your punching bag assists you in getting over a tough time this holiday season, I'm willing to do that for you all. Happy holidays. I hope whatever you are struggling with gets relieved.

[Beddie]

Can we just lock this thread.

It’s done nothing good for any of us and it’s fallen into petty squabbling

[Discordian]

Yes, Yump, the world is unfair and we're all singling you out, angel you are, because we're mean-spirited people who want to "make [you] feel bad", "hurt another person", and so on. That's exactly what's going on here.

Oh wait - SDTull and I worked together on an idea that we though might lead to better, more enjoyable gameplay in the arena. And it didn't happen to be popular, but you win some, you lose some. We decided to carry on in our own clans by having it as an internal policy. And then you jumped in with:


Discordian posting about honor is laughable.

But you know, you didn't start anything. You're an innocent lamb, and the people who you blatantly spam attacked while we were trying to get our clan up on the podium are all lying jerks who just want to be mean to poor little you because you're such a nice and lovable guy. And Zugzwang, who is not a member of our clan but merely pointed out that you're a liar, well he's just a devil to pick on poor helpless Yump.

But yeah, you're right, we're hilarious.

Now go away.

[Yup]

For emphasis: As seen in this thread itself...... Discordian posting about honor is laughable.

[Brickster]

Dear mods,

Please close this thread and throw it in the trash.

Sincerely,
The users of this forum

[Bapper]

I read through this entire thread and all I remember are cropped images of what could easily be regular arena back-and-forths and pathetic name-calling.

But it was one of the most interesting things to happen on this forum in a while.

[Zugzwang]

I read through this entire thread and all I remember are cropped images of what could easily be regular arena back-and-forths and pathetic name-calling.

But it was one of the most interesting things to happen on this forum in a while.

Mine was an image from yesterday which showed how the point total of the attacker would always show as one number rather than change each battle. And I don’t think this thread should be locked. Maybe some posts could be deleted, but the main idea of the thread should stay. It’s a good idea to talk about this and whether or not the devs intended this to happen or not.

[Sohvar_nashtok]

To put in my own 2 cents, I think it's entirely up to everyone to follow their own personal honor code when it comes to the arena.
I personally will not be participating in the arena boosting as this is not the place. The arena was never intended to be a group effort, it's a marker of personal achievement. Having others prop you up doesn't prove your ability, it just gives you nice things. If your code allows for that, then power to you but mine does not.
I would also like to say that this was never the place for the childish squabbling on both sides I've been privy to. This thread was started to address an issue and your personal bullshit was never wanted or needed here. It didn't add anything to the debate and only resulted in watering down an otherwise useful discussion. Perhaps some day the devs will weigh in as well but until then this never should have gotten here and it's silly that you all let it go so far.
PvP in mobile games always has the inherent risk of someone gaming the system, breaking, exploiting, etcetera. If people want to declare that they'll be following a certain code to how they approach this system then it isn't for one or another to judge them, but simply do the same or don't. Petty arguments are for children and politicians.

[Zugzwang]

To put in my own 2 cents, I think it's entirely up to everyone to follow their own personal honor code when it comes to the arena.
I personally will not be participating in the arena boosting as this is not the place. The arena was never intended to be a group effort, it's a marker of personal achievement. Having others prop you up doesn't prove your ability, it just gives you nice things. If your code allows for that, then power to you but mine does not.
I would also like to say that this was never the place for the childish squabbling on both sides I've been privy to. This thread was started to address an issue and your personal bullshit was never wanted or needed here. It didn't add anything to the debate and only resulted in watering down an otherwise useful discussion. Perhaps some day the devs will weigh in as well but until then this never should have gotten here and it's silly that you all let it go so far.
PvP in mobile games always has the inherent risk of someone gaming the system, breaking, exploiting, etcetera. If people want to declare that they'll be following a certain code to how they approach this system then it isn't for one or another to judge them, but simply do the same or don't. Petty arguments are for children and politicians.

Valuable insight! But I categorically disagree. The devs should either condone this happening or patch it as an exploit. There shouldn’t be a “one day maybe they will address it”. If you read the thread from 2017 they fixed where one could be attacked without limit by setting limits. Now it needs to be revisited and there are new issues with the introduction of clans beta. In my view, the devs should either fix it as an exploit as part of their working on the next phase of clans or condone it as part of the idea with releasing clans—to have players team up in the arena (for high level rewards).

[Highace]

Just took the time to look through this thread and well...there's good insights in here for sure but all this name calling and whatnot just makes these points way less valuable. I feel like it's an important topic for sure. However, conversations should still stay civil, even when the two sides have a disliking towards each other. I get that it might be difficult at times but still, we are grown ups, not some 12 year olds. Bottom line: if you want to go to war against each other, do it in DMs. Going after each other publically could just lessen your reputation.

[Sohvar_nashtok]

The devs should either condone this happening or patch it as an exploit. There shouldn’t be a “one day maybe they will address it”. If you read the thread from 2017 they fixed where one could be attacked without limit by setting limits. Now it needs to be revisited and there are new issues with the introduction of clans beta. In my view, the devs should either fix it as an exploit as part of their working on the next phase of clans or condone it as part of the idea with releasing clans—to have players team up in the arena (for high level rewards).

I couldn't agree with you more. I just know that, historically speaking, the devs here are rarely quick to fix things or implement changes to their systems. I don't know how long The Silent Planet and Isle of Avalon have been "Coming Soon" but I know it's been well over the 7 months I've been playing and the most recent update is that they're still a long ways off. Night City was announced within months of launch and only came out last Christmas, so while the previous PvP fix may have been implemented fairly quickly I'm not holding my breath on this one.
I do agree there should be an official statement or something as to whether or not this is condoned and I'm unsure why there hasn't already been one. Perhaps it's being debated at a higher level as well before a final decision is made.

Maybe they'll mention it in the next "Update from the News Frontier".

[Ceeg_LOTB]

Listen everyone, we've heard the feedback on this. We need to have a more in depth discussion on this in the Studio. The implementation of Clans has brought it to the forefront but I would not set the onus on it as the reason this came about.

To be clear, a fix for this is not on our Roadmap and we will have to wait and see if it is something we can bump up in priority.

[Ceeg_LOTB]

Also, name calling and cyberbullying sucks, man. Just be a little more excellent please. Otherwise I start handing out red cards and I have done everything I can to avoid that until now.