April 2020, Part 1 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[Kaz_LOTB]

This is the main post to discuss tuning changes that are in an upcoming update.

You can see the details for the preliminary tuning adjustments in the Game Updates forum post (https://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?13304-April-2020-Part-1-Tuning-PRELIMINARY&p=122065#post122065).

[Yup]

Wondering if this is leading up to an Awakenable Witch Doctor....

[Beddie]

Wondering if this is leading up to an Awakenable Witch Doctor....
Either that or a Witch Doctor cosmic

[Natasmai]

any chance we can see some data on the Raid so far? Like a listing of top 10 clans and what ranks they achieve? Is the participation or performance really bad?

[Brickster]

any chance we can see some data on the Raid so far? Like a listing of top 10 clans and what ranks they achieve? Is the participation or performance really bad?

I would love to see that as well. Our clan pretty much stopped doing Odin altogether, and I get it. It got boring real quick.

[Yup]

So sick of doing 10M damage and then not getting ANY rewards.... Apparently you NEVER want to actually kill Odin and it's best to quit the fight before he dies.

....at the end of the week.. I see the banner across the clan screen showing rewards.. but NOTHING ever appears in my account (its been days. or weeks....). It would be nice to have some of these beta issues sorted.

[Maiden]

Nice to see some nerf on Odin, but for me is a workaround and no a real tackle to it, imo Odin quickly became boring cos:

-No rewards or stakes to high-->No motivation

-Talismans system, spend 20 mins changing talis is not only annoying but also it doesn't worth the hassle at all, back to point 1, no reward no motivation. Not to mention that you need to change your talis again for another fight, or gauntlet or event, or frontier dungeon or just to set up your arena defense again...

-At the end of the road, it is just fighting the same guy over and over again, there is no real tactic against one Odin or another.

-Following the previous line, there is nothing really special with him, what if just because it is a raid we are able to use 3 Eddies at the same time? Or eddies for fellows clans troopers? or what if we can play with 5 chars against Odin? I dunno you might make something different here, something special, it is a Raid boss, we can´t farm it more than 5 times a day at max, be creative make it special:D

[Brickster]

So sick of doing 10M damage and then not getting ANY rewards.... Apparently you NEVER want to actually kill Odin and it's best to quit the fight before he dies.

....at the end of the week.. I see the banner across the clan screen showing rewards.. but NOTHING ever appears in my account (its been days. or weeks....). It would be nice to have some of these beta issues sorted.

Well, the clan features are actually still in beta, so this is to be expected I guess. That's what beta testing is all about.

I'm more curious about tickets are actually getting resolved like it was promised in last week's News Frontier.
I assume you put in tickets Yup, did any of those get addressed?

[Phoenix-7282]

The Odin rewards do show up in book of souls or you get tribute, fc etc but sometimes it doesn't show the pop up dialogue. So we are forced to guess what we got.

Also the Odin with artifact talisman is very hard to fight. Artifact heals him when he takes damage. So if I fight him long enough, he starts gaining hp instead of losing it every round. The 15% magic increase every round eventually makes his magic so high that he heals more than the damage taken. I have fought him at 75% hp and he got back to 100% by the time my team died. So I 'undid' the damage my clan members dealt.

[Yup]

I'm not speaking of ONLY the pop up. There are MANY times I never see a popup, but rewards are actually in my account (happens for the Arena and Gauntlet almost every rollover)... I'm not actually getting frags from raids..... I'm STILL sitting at the same number of Tribute/Thor/Gnnr frags I was 2 weeks ago. Whether or not I see the popup is never relevant.. the actual rewards, at least frags, don't seem to appear in my account. I do see gold and tribute skulls rise a bit (you can see the "up" animation for a split second if you watch).. so it's not about those....

And I do realize it's all beta.. so I'm not expecting everything to work perfectly. But to spend an hour and get diddly is a bit underwhelming.

[Phoenix-7282]

But to spend an hour and get diddly is a bit underwhelming.

Agreed on that.

[scott-5496]

I have no idea at all on the idea of RAID as a play type as this is the first game I have played that has it. My thoughts are it is just a boring grind fest. We all know the little tricks to win and what characters work now so it is like everything else in the game at the moment - stale! Event after event of the same sort of thing and I will second any comment on talisman swapping it is a complete and utter pain and time drain - there is zero fun to be had scrolling and searching and switching and doing the rinse and repeat.

I am not sure where the game goes from here - it may be that new Odin levels are better or different in some way but it is just boring. What fun is there in an auto battle where you are left with a banshee battering away for 20 minutes?

Maybe got out the wrong side of bed and my cup is half empty today but after a few weeks of Odin I am just bored. Maybe the adjustments make more characters viable or maybe different teams can be used but it does not get away from the fact that it is a grindathon on every level. What about making each Odin battle only last five minutes max with a timer - you get raid points not just for the damage dealt or killing Odin but you can also get them for things like how many characters are left standing or points for how many debuffs you can cast or how many times you can revive or cast a certain buff etc etc ....just more ways to score raid points than hitting him so at least that makes more of the roster useable. You could say gain points for having an all single class team or a team based on team points so you get a multiplier for using lower star characters......we just need more variation is my thought.

[Muzzleloader]

They only time I may not recieve rewards is when its skips the reward screen and goes to the spinning circle on a black screen. If it goes back to Odin screen the rewards eventually show up. The weekly rewards were slow but showed up the next morning which several clanmates confirmed.

[Maiden]

....we just need more variation is my thought.

Yes, I feel there is a strong lack of creativity with the game lately, or maybe we have been playing it a lot (?) but there are no new ways of doing something. It is like we said a few months ago "oh I was refreshing to have an arena event with only warrior, we haven't seen it in so long" ...and what happens next month? ...win 500 battle only warrior + win 200 only assassins doing a fury eyes closed and wearing a new hat... that´s not new, not refreshing anymore.

There have to be ways of doing new stuff in a rpg. Again, we heard a lot of ideas for making the Arena more dynamic. I just proposed a couple for Raid, btw there is no real connection or need of clan for Raid, the only connection we share is the life bar for Odin... there is a lot of room to improve there.

[Brickster]

... My thoughts are it is just a boring grind fest...

...What fun is there in an auto battle where you are left with a banshee battering away for 20 minutes?...

... after a few weeks of Odin I am just bored...

This pretty much sums it all up. And I think it's safe to say you speak here for the bigger part of the community.

There's your feedback devs.

[Nifelheim]

We all know the little tricks to win and what characters work now so it is like everything else in the game at the moment - stale!.

I don’t. Please share, anyone?

[SinGularity-8786]

at least most of you can enter raid-dungeon. the second week now for me game freezes when entering.

[MuzakMaker]

As of this morning I can't even enter the raid dungeon. I do still have the ability to spend Sands and waste a team on the fight that doesn't even happen so at least that part is working.

"Beta" is no excuse for something this bugged in the live version of the game.

[alekos]

so what are you guys saying? that since it's a 'beta' then everything is accepted? as if the arena or gauntlet feel different? check every week .. all these people complaining that they didn't get their rewards or the game froze or toons and eddies and talisman being bugged... unless the entire game is beta. so they placed the 'beta' next to raid ...so what? they still ask for 60!! ironite just to get ONE shot. and then you spend sometimes an entire hour ONLY to realize you're not getting anything at all! for example, you make 10million or more damage and ...nothing. the money we're spending on ironite are also beta? I've sent two emails already, no answer yet and the bottom line is that I don't play this anymore. I have a question though... does anybody reach somewhere higher than level D, or C in the raid boss awards? I'm curious to see who makes it to levels like SS etc... cause if they do, I really wanna know how they do it. thanks

[MetalKing]

April 1 everyone gets a 5 star character.

[Beddie]

April 1 everyone gets a 5 star character.
Shame it’s a Viking Eddie

[Metallicamilo]

Because of odin is that we have a broken banshee talisman that is super annoying, and sometimes impossible to beat in the arena or gauntlet. There's no point in playing arena for me with all those banshees. I mean whats the point of making a talisman so OP that only a certain amount of characters and talisman combinations can deal with her? Isn't that just limiting the game play and make it stale and boring?

[Beddie]

Because of odin is that we have a broken banshee talisman that is super annoying, and sometimes impossible to beat in the arena or gauntlet. There's no point in playing arena for me with all those banshees. I mean whats the point of making a talisman so OP that only a certain amount of characters and talisman combinations can deal with her? Isn't that just limiting the game play and make it stale and boring?
Can’t you inflict them with permadeath before killing them the first time?

[Maiden]

Can’t you inflict them with permadeath before killing them the first time?

You can but it doesn´t work, perfect death either. Sometimes she dies with Doom on her (lol because she should be immune to doom with her cosmic), other times she dies with passive disable and perfect corruption on her but other times she doesn´t die at all because she doesn´t want to... On some occasions if you do massive amounts of dmg on her you can kill her.. and there are other weirds combinations but I couldn´t find anything constant to work on her.

[Esquatcho]

Has this rolled out already? Im getting weird stuff against Odin at the moment. Eg Kari doing only 25k damage a hit!

[Saints_sin]

Has this rolled out already? Im getting weird stuff against Odin at the moment. Eg Kari doing only 25k damage a hit!

still bugged still not working right and still missing rewards tbh they should just add a Free sorry for fucking up again pack to the store and give us some 3 Sands of blood 100 tribute 1 tribute soul and 2 rare clan souls

[Shao]

So sick of doing 10M damage and then not getting ANY rewards.... Apparently you NEVER want to actually kill Odin and it's best to quit the fight before he dies.

....at the end of the week.. I see the banner across the clan screen showing rewards.. but NOTHING ever appears in my account (its been days. or weeks....). It would be nice to have some of these beta issues sorted.

ah ah +1 the same problem !!

[GotN]

Really? Another update hours before mega event ends?? You really never learn NF/ devs!! Really sucks!!

[Bobby2613-8511]

Really? Another update hours before mega event ends?? You really never learn NF/ devs!! Really sucks!!

Thought the same when I saw that. I'm lucky enough to already have finished both (cosmic lilith and mega event). If I remember correctly, last time they gave one more day to finish the event. Let's hope they'll do the same again.

[MuzakMaker]

Yep, with the switch to month long events and always having the update precede it, we really should just start factoring the last day of the month being a wash for finishing up events.

[Bobby2613-8511]

Game is back on Android

[GotN]

And ofc not on iOS. SSDD!

[Maiden]

Searching tool for characters and talismans implemented!

EDIT: you can not look for talismans that are being used on chars... :/

[Kaz_LOTB]

You can not look for talismans that are being used on chars... :/

It will be coming with the equipped / unequipped filter in the next client update, which will also allow you to more easily swap talismans.

-Kaz

[GotN]

I want to be allowed to play again!!! 😡

[Alvorada]

It will be coming with the equipped / unequipped filter in the next client update, which will also allow you to more easily swap talismans.

-Kaz

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Beddie]

This is dope

[Maiden]

It will be coming with the equipped / unequipped filter in the next client update, which will also allow you to more easily swap talismans.

-Kaz

Amazing, Thks for sharing!

[GotN]

Game down 4 1/2 hours now on iOS!!
We want an extension of both mega & LoL event!!

[Ezz]

Game down 4 1/2 hours now on iOS!!
We want an extension of both mega & LoL event!!

Yeah I was like 300 frags from getting the T3 Lilith cosmic but now I will never make it in time. Lame

[edsel]

Too bad the red banshee trick got fixed without being mentioned in the update notes and after the sales of banshee packs in store last week, oh well fun while it lasted8080

[BeachPlease]

I stopped getting grimoire fragments from Raven's altar, but there's still one hour and a half to go. What happened? I have 24K

[Beddie]

I stopped getting grimoire fragments from Raven's altar, but there's still one hour and a half to go. What happened? I have 24K
They probably ended the event early with the update

[infinite dreamer]

How do you sell banshee packs for real money, tell people to use the banshees against Odin and then "fix" it? That seems incredibly dishonest.

[Muzzleloader]

That's how they earn their revenue. They make you want the ultimate toon/talis and then nerf them.

[BeachPlease]

Well this sucks. I was counting on the last hours of the event. I know it may be my fault for leaving it until the last day but... c'mon. I mean there was a clock indicating the end of the event. I'm so upset, my grinding is worthless now

[infinite dreamer]

Well this sucks. I was counting on the last hours of the event. I know it may be my fault for leaving it until the last day but... c'mon. I mean there was a clock indicating the end of the event. I'm so upset, my grinding is worthless now

I think they're extending the event till tomorrow, which seems fair, especially for IOS users.
According to the March 31 update thread:

Event Extension
The Eternal Sin event has been extended to April 1st at 5pm PT.

[BeachPlease]

Yes! It's unfortunate tho that they removed the repeatable challenges of winning LoL battles

[Volrath]

A one day extension of the event might not make any difference at this rate. There's still nothing in the apple store. I wish this didn't have to happen every frickin time.

[jstrickPhoto]

I think they're extending the event till tomorrow, which seems fair, especially for IOS users.
According to the March 31 update thread:

Event Extension
The Eternal Sin event has been extended to April 1st at 5pm PT.

I hope so - iOS is still unavailable. Been what, 6 hours now? I'm assuming this is an AppStore update at this point...

[MetalKing]

Shame it’s a Viking Eddieomg! You saw the future. That's exactly what i.pulled!