Sands of blood increase

[wipp]

You increased our sob bank, but didnt adjust the refill timer. We gained nothing

[Muzzleloader]

The same occurred for SoT.

[hugoW]

Yes, you gained more time without the need to play the game

[MuzakMaker]

The same occurred for SoT.

Which is why an SoT increase is also needed. 10 hours of SoT build up can be lost in as little as 4 runs in depending on the dungeon.

[Muzzleloader]

Just spend some of the ironite you just earned in the sac event.

[Alvorada]

The same occurred for SoT.

Indeed, but after SoT cap was raised, the SoT refils was raised as well.

It would be very nice if the SoW refils purchasable with norse frags was raised too.

[Puntwothree]

The SoB inventory increase was great. I love it.

We needed it for things like Clan clear rewards that would immediately fill our inventory when we weren’t expecting them.

We don’t need SoB to generate any faster. Raids are already the most rewarding aspect of the game. They are ridiculously generous, compared to other aspects of the game. If you fight hard in the Arena and win 100 times in a row without losing, the rewards you gain for all of your time and effort can be matched by another player playing Baphomet once. (Difference in ironite and other stuff between your rankings.)

Make Raiding any more valuable or necessary only further devalues everything else we do. So... the refresh time is just fine, thank you. I’d rather not unbalance the scale any further.

[MuzakMaker]

The SoB inventory increase was great. I love it.

We needed it for things like Clan clear rewards that would immediately fill our inventory when we weren’t expecting them.

We don’t need SoB to generate any faster. Raids are already the most rewarding aspect of the game. They are ridiculously generous, compared to other aspects of the game. If you fight hard in the Arena and win 100 times in a row without losing, the rewards you gain for all of your time and effort can be matched by another player playing Baphomet once. (Difference in ironite and other stuff between your rankings.)

Make Raiding any more valuable or necessary only further devalues everything else we do. So... the refresh time is just fine, thank you. I’d rather not unbalance the scale any further.

The way you describe it makes it seems like the scales are already too unbalanced. If nothing else compares to raiding why should we do anything else? Why waste a second in the arena if my clan just get me 500 ironite in raids?

Remember, just because the clans of the members of the forum are hitting SSS every week doesn't mean that's the case for every clan. Considering the last time we got an accurate comparison of the forums to the larger player base was a LoL event where only a small percentage of players could clear LoL XV, I doubt that the player base at large would benefit from faster SoB refills since they're probably not soloing Baph and Odin everytime the enter level X.

For the clans that can clear, the faster refresh would allow for more experimentation with teams and once we get that third boss would allow for players to be able to attack all 3 in one sitting and not have to wait almost a day and a half when we only get 7 days per reset.

[Muzzleloader]

There are several options to purchase more bloods. If you feel the need to play more the store is usually open.

[MuzakMaker]

There are several options to purchase more bloods. If you feel the need to play more the store is usually open.

Those options are thin and are barely accessible to lower level players. Plus, I'll say it again and again, that Ironite purchase is just not worth the price UNLESS you can guarantee only you buying it will bump up your clan to the next level.

This current event will probably the first time I'm actually buying any SoB and that's only because we were in the process of purging the players who were either not communicating or actively going against our agreed upon raid strategy. And I'm not buying them for the raid itself, I'm buying them to reach that 500 SoB challenge. Halfway to a specific Odin is well worth the ironite and spent character frags

[Muzzleloader]

Gimme, gimme, gimme. The raid is a free part of the game, and that just isnt good. enough for you.

You only need 25 people in a clan to reach the event goal without any purchases. You dont have to win raid battles just play, or start and give up. The event gives two free blood so that should help.

Why dont you complain we dont get enough free SoT. That's a bigger part of the game than raids.

[Yup]

Why dont you complain we dont get enough free SoT.

Now that you mention it.... :)

[MuzakMaker]

Gimme, gimme, gimme. The raid is a free part of the game, and that just isnt good. enough for you.

You only need 25 people in a clan to reach the event goal without any purchases. You dont have to win raid battles just play, or start and give up. The event gives two free blood so that should help.

Why dont you complain we dont get enough free SoT. That's a bigger part of the game than raids.

I have mentioned the fact that we can burn out an entire banks worth of SoT in 3 single battles in the frontier dungeons a number of times. One part of the app needing refinement doesn't mean that others don't. Add in the fact the team ignores what we say anyways, I just like to be on the record with my disapproval.

This is a thread about SoB so I'm talking about SoB. If this were a general issues thread my complaint about SoT would much higher on the priority list.

Raid still has the "beta" label so I'm stating that I think it needs to be further refined. I get by just fine with the normal refreshes but that's because I'm in the minority of players who have a full active clan and I've been hoarding everything since that BS March 1st 2018 update that signaled the beginning of the mentality of "events rule all and player satisfaction means nothing compared to player spending".

[Puntwothree]

@MusakMaker: seriously? You're arguing for more and better stuff? You want the blood increase?

Your clan doesn't have to reach SSS for Raids to outpace every other aspect of the game. I just purchased 3 blood with redundant Maiden frags, and those 3 blood net me 4 Clan Epic Souls... which is case your math isn't keeping up is 2 Legendary and 1 Mythic soul *additionally*.

This is all individual booty ^^. I'd get it if my clan were F-grade.

I used amulets this week... mostly out of pure laziness. Those three blood that net me 4 Epic Clan Souls took less than 10 minutes to use.

Those clan souls, which I got for redundant Maiden frags and spent less than 10 minutes obtaining put me up 15M gold and 500 ironite, in addition to some other goodies. 15M gold, 500 ironite, 10 minutes.

None of this is bragging. It's just the reality of a bloated reward system, and a game where not playing raids does not make sense. It is so much more valuable than anything else, doing anything else and forgetting to use your blood is absolutely foolhardy.

I like Gauntlet. I would even like to use amulets in Gauntlet.. maybe.. if they worked. But you can spend 10 hours on Gauntlet, someone with more Eds can pass you at the last minute, and even if they hadn't done that you wouldn't get anything nearly as nice and shiny as ten minutes' effort raiding ^^. I know this, because I've finished 2nd Gauntlet several times.

[That's a brag.]

Arena I don't care for, but I can't imagine it's much different... it's probably worse. The difference between Warlord 1 and Eternal 1 is < 500 ironite. If you're gunning for the crown, looks like you should have spent some redundant Maiden frags on Raids instead.

[Muzzleloader]

You cant spend ironite earned from clan souls to purchase more blood. That is just unheard of and is counter intuitive. The same as banking the gold earned with legendary souls and use toward opening mythic souls. That is lust unfair

[MuzakMaker]

@MusakMaker: seriously? You're arguing for more and better stuff? You want the blood increase?

What I'm "arguing" for is to be able to play the one entertaining aspect of this game more than once every 7 and a half hours. Your right, Arena is a complete joke with the same basic team set up and the only barrier to Eternal is just who spends the most time on it, gauntlet is not worth the time it takes, and time rift barely gets played with all the events being shoved down our throats.

You're completely right that rewards seem weird or out of proportion even with your "I'm totally not bragging" attitude. Although, if you were to get all of those awesome rewards it's mathematically impossible to hit F even in a clan of just yourself.

With the third raid boss coming soon I'm not a fan of the stupidly long cool down that is 22500% of the time it takes to play the only fun part of the game. If that means we nerf the rewards I'm okay with that. Even with your totally awesome rewards, those pale in comparison to hitting SSS and once you hit that, you can stop playing if you want, but I want to keep playing and even if I purchase all of the available Sands of Blood that only brings an extra 12(I think?) battles for the whole 7 days.

[Yup]

Actually.. I'm curious how you see Raids as "the only fun part of the game". They are repetition like EVERYTHING else. It's not like the bosses mix things up by changing abilities... you find teams that work against them, rinse and repeat.

[Puntwothree]

@muzzleloader unfair, how? Also, I never suggested doing this. My argument was that Raid rewards >>>>> anything else you can spend your time obtaining. And seeing as you brought it up (whereas I didn’t), spending ironite on blood is an investment that *could* pay out in ironite. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s more of a invest-in-the-stock-market level gamble than a buy-a-lottery-ticket. After all, killing Boppy can get you 85 ironite before clan souls are even considered. (Of course, that full kill is only really a full kill if you still have kill teams at your disposal come the end of the week. Otherwise, you’re just transposing a kill you would have gotten anyway.)

@musakmaker remember when I was the one asking for more blood inventory space and you were the one shouting, “No! Bad idea!” Also, I don’t know how you’re coming up with 12 blood over 7 days. My store tells me 5/day is the limit, which brings my figure to 35 additional blood with no other sources considered.

[Puntwothree]

I knew you were going to bring up the F grade thing. Ok, ok... I’ll concede that small point.

I’ve cleared all the 1-9 stages for my clanies before, and that’ll push your rank past F. Not afraid of getting my hands dirty for the greater good.

[MuzakMaker]

Actually.. I'm curious how you see Raids as "the only fun part of the game". They are repetition like EVERYTHING else. It's not like the bosses mix things up by changing abilities... you find teams that work against them, rinse and repeat.

Fair point, this is the only part where I'm still playing around with teams and talismans. Yes, I have my rinse and repeat teams but I'm still trying to sneak out a few extra solo teams each week. I could just idly sit by with a few teams that work and the bare minimum to help my clan reach our goals but as you pointed out that's not fun. I do have to make my own fun.

This is the only part of the game that still has the benefit to experiment. Gauntlet and arena aren't worth the effort, time rift is down to cutting down on animation time, and frontier/event dungeons you can't waste too may runs as that just wastes time and potential runs

[MuzakMaker]

@muzzleloader unfair, how? Also, I never suggested doing this. My argument was that Raid rewards >>>>> anything else you can spend your time obtaining. And seeing as you brought it up (whereas I didn’t), spending ironite on blood is an investment that *could* pay out in ironite. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s more of a invest-in-the-stock-market level gamble than a buy-a-lottery-ticket. After all, killing Boppy can get you 85 ironite before clan souls are even considered. (Of course, that full kill is only really a full kill if you still have kill teams at your disposal come the end of the week. Otherwise, you’re just transposing a kill you would have gotten anyway.)

@musakmaker remember when I was the one asking for more blood inventory space and you were the one shouting, “No! Bad idea!” Also, I don’t know how you’re coming up with 12 blood over 7 days. My store tells me 5/day is the limit, which brings my figure to 35 additional blood with no other sources considered.

I was saying I don't want Odin (or Bap by extension) to always have 100% health. Still a bad idea.

I got the 12 blood is just the blood you can purchase, 3 from each of the 3 frag types and 3 from ironite but I couldn't remember if any of them could be purchased multiple times a week hence the "(?)".

[Yup]

You can keep buying blood for thor/valhalla frags until you are out of frags I believe.

And to the experimentation point... yeah I can see that.. but for me, that's only ever done AFTER we've hit SSS.. then I feel free to try any old rinky-dink team to see who holds up. But even then.. it's just for use later when rinsing and repeating :)

I don't think we need more blood space.. we just need more blood available.... there was a time with the 10 SOW was achingly slow to rebuild.. now, I'm often sitting on a few thousand... eventually bloods will be the same. Capped at 5 for the natural regen, but you can collect much much more. they are starting to drop more blood during events and from clan souls.

[MuzakMaker]

You can keep buying blood for thor/valhalla frags until you are out of frags I believe.

And to the experimentation point... yeah I can see that.. but for me, that's only ever done AFTER we've hit SSS.. then I feel free to try any old rinky-dink team to see who holds up. But even then.. it's just for use later when rinsing and repeating :)

That's when most of the experimentation is done for sure, but sometimes when I want to raid, both Odin X and Baph X are being worked on. Better to expirement in 9 than to just let a blood go to waste since I won't be able to play until more than 7.5 hours later.

[Puntwothree]

Ah. Practical consideration for you, though (and actually a practical consideration.. this is not part of the larger argument): IX is a pretty good approximation for X Odin, but not so much Boppy. Those Vipers make him hit basically twice as hard.

If you’re experimenting in Boppy IX, you should at least equip like he’s going to inflict Perfect Disable on you otherwise and maybe consider bringing an anti-revenge toon. (If your team works IX with anti-revenge it should work X. No way to know if you don’t bring that toon.)

[MuzakMaker]

Ah. Practical consideration for you, though (and actually a practical consideration.. this is not part of the larger argument): IX is a pretty good approximation for X Odin, but not so much Boppy. Those Vipers make him hit basically twice as hard.

If you’re experimenting in Boppy IX, you should at least equip like he’s going to inflict Perfect Disable on you otherwise and maybe consider bringing an anti-revenge toon. (If your team works IX with anti-revenge it should work X. No way to know if you don’t bring that toon.)

Already ahead of you there but let's hope someone else sees this who needs to.

[Maiden]

Henlo, not sure what about the discussion but just wanted to say that Raid Bosses were really boring for me until I started to create strategies for them and experimenting a lot, that was rather funnier for me than the raid itself. Then, when you started to win, your strategies succeeded and got a lot of rewards raiding itself became a habit, a custom, you could even play them in auto. (That also the reason I asked in another post the option to play against Raids for practice but with no rewards) If only we could swap talismans sets in one fell swoop :D

*off topic /off

[MuzakMaker]

Henlo, not sure what about the discussion but just wanted to say that Raid Bosses were really boring for me until I started to create strategies for them and experimenting a lot, that was rather funnier for me than the raid itself. Then, when you started to win, your strategies succeeded and got a lot of rewards raiding itself became a habit, a custom, you could even play them in auto. (That also the reason I asked in another post the option to play against Raids for practice but with no rewards) If only we could swap talismans sets in one fell swoop :D

*off topic /off

/*Continuing the off topic

I can understand from a game design perspective of not wanting to do that. 500 Ironite is not cheap according to their store so getting free chances to design and play with a team could make it almost too obtainable.

That being said, with the current set up as long as you have a clean up team and your clan knows what you're doing(or you clean up before they notice) the loss towards final raid total is negligible provided you don't do this too often.

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[Puntwothree]

/*reopening of the off-topic

If you have a teammate enter after you (while you are still inside), any partial amount you leave will be cleaned up by the time you get out, victory or no. That’s even better than having someone clean up your mess.

/*off topic, but bridging back to the OP

However, maybe the dev team would go for a variant of this dry-run idea (crack at the boss, but no rewards) if it cost you something, but something less valuable. I hate to propose another new currency, so maybe like 1/day you get a crack at the boss that requires no blood and offers no rewards. This would be less generous than ramping up blood (which for the record I don’t like, and I don’t like b/c I would feel obligated to use it and spend even more of my time raiding and even less doing everything else), but more generous than nothing. And it would allow you to spend your blood (a precious commodity) perhaps more wisely.

/*on topic, maybe?