Don't be assholes on the arena

[Cthulhu]

There is a specific arena team that completely crashes the game, in favor of the defender.

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More and more people are using it. Guys, don't be assholes.

[Maiden]

I was about to put this team in the bug section. It crashes the game, and using it in the arena is just not right...

So, here is the counter until devs fix it:
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The healing and passives between Prince Belzeebub and Templar Crusader Eddie are (I guess) making the game crashes. So, pls if you see one of those teams, don't attack it unless you got something like the team from the left as a counter. You need to stop their healing and/or their passives.

[Cthulhu]

The healing and passives between Prince Belzeebub and Templar Crusader Eddie are (I guess) making the game crashes. So, pls if you see one of those teams, don't attack it unless you got something like the team from the left as a counter. You need to stop their healing and/or their passives.

So, I guess the prisoner will also work for anyone who doesn't have the Madame. Thanks for the tip :)

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[Maiden]

So, I guess the prisoner will also work for anyone who doesn't have the Madame. Thanks for the tip :)

Hierophant stops the healing, but just in case take a toon like the Prisoner or Madam Fortune or The Killer (which also I is bugged...) to buy time until you use DEATH GRIP from GRE.

Also, you need a disabler at the start of the turn if you see Osiris in that team. Otherwise, Hierophant won´t work.

Good luck there, fair play.


Edit: Btw I´ve proven that pd at the start of the battle it´s also not working properly, but just take the toon cos is better than nothing.

[Puntwothree]

You’re too late to add this to bug reports.. I reported the Beelz/Crusader interaction at length in Saints’s thread about the last Event Dungeon.

Beelz/Crusader consistently crashed that dungeon the first time you attempted to attack (with any toon); the other toons did not matter.

So what really needs done is, we need a fix for whatever is going on here. There has been chatter about Crusader crashing auto-play on our Clan Discord, Beelz or no Beelz. Crusader needs fixed. Simplified. Something. So the game code can wrap its zeros and ones around whatever he is supposed to be doing.

Did I predict this was going to be a problem for arena when I reported the bug? Yes, yes I did.

You’re right that PD should absolutely solve the problem ... in the arena, right now. But what happens when people start playing him with Grail and Serenity and/or with Singularity and Osiris backup? The problem is the crashing; it’s not a problem we (the players) should be expected to solve.

[Puntwothree]

8-5-2020, 12:04PM on the thread “Cyborg Ed Crashes Navigator Dungeon” in “Bug Reports.” Check it out... especially if you’re a moderator looking to tear down this thread for profanity and shaming.

[Cthulhu]

8-5-2020, 12:04PM on the thread “Cyborg Ed Crashes Navigator Dungeon” in “Bug Reports.” Check it out... especially if you’re a moderator looking to tear down this thread for profanity and shaming.

What they are doing is bad, and they should feel bad.

[Puntwothree]

What they are doing is bad, and they should feel bad.

I think you’ve accurately defined shaming.

... which is bad.

[MuzakMaker]

Maybe shaming is bad but the warning for all of us who don't abuse bad coding just to get a few cheap wins in arena is greatly appreciated.

[Puntwothree]

What’s bad coding, and what isn’t? For a while Babylon was clearing all neg. effects, not just silver ones. And also maybe the damage reduction was lasting longer than one turn.

That was bad coding.. maybe a “bug.” Are you telling me that you never once used Babylon while it was broken (or is it, still? It’s hard to keep track)?

Is that better? Different? How?

If the problem is the coding, the solution has to come from the coders.

[scimitar]

Yesterday I froze several times with different opponents with this defense.
Today I won with the same team as in the screenshot. Another opponent changed the team to the old one. Although yesterday he changed it to a buggy one and did it on purpose, knowing about its properties8683

[Puntwothree]

Here’s a reason to post a defense: you just lost to it, and want to know how it can be beaten.

I have done this before when I’m looking for gauntlet angles ^^.

Point being, it’s not quite fair to presume about people’s knowledge or intentions. The fact that all of these teams are the same suggests to me that the people playing them do not understand the Beelz/Crusader interaction that is causing these crashes at all. If they did, they might be trying to shore it up in different ways.

What’s happing, rather, is a successful defense is seeing copycats. This is nothing new to arena.

Crusader needs fixed. People will play how they play.

[Ceeg_LOTB]

Hey everyone, just wanted to check in about this Arena Team bug. Our team are aware of it and are working through what the exact conflict is and will resolve it as soon as they can. We greatly appreciate the ingenuity of many of you finding teams that counter this issue and allow others to avoid it!

[Ceeg_LOTB]

"and will resolve it as soon as they can"

Just got word, the fix for this will be released in our next release! It requires a Client update, so we are unable to hotfix it ahead of time unfortunately.

[Maiden]

Someone said the purpose of a defense is to defend... We agree that, but now, if there is no chance to even play against those teams because of the game just crash... something must be done. At any competition should be rules and fair play. Otherwise, just there is no reason to play.


Some of the players that set up that defense know perfectly that the defense is bugged. Maybe they don't properly know what's bugged or what's happening but they perfectly know the results...and that's the reason for the copycats. Can we blame them? Well... no really, but yes a little :P Same happened with Banshee, Musashi even the lone Wickerman situation (for those who can remember it) and its gonna keep happening... I think there is a difference between just dealing with bugs like Babylon cleaning all kind of effects and a team that if you are unaware, just crashes the game and make them win... but that's just my opinion, but at some point, we all be tempted and that line can be pushed according to our personal opinion and context... so we know you really should put the line and stop the radio silence...

Devs are the ones who should put those rules and take quick action to solve the bug, those who are using the defense are not totally innocent but we shouldn´t fight among us and instead, asking for a solution and correction (in case if needed) to the people who set up the rules and ensure the fair play. At least, a word from you devs would be appreciated...


I'm not on with shamming stuff. That's why I cut the image before posting it. But I'll post it again. Use this team or any toon that stops healing effects. Use Passive Disable as well. And have a fair (kinda) fight. Btw, the problem goes on dungeon as well and we can foresee this team at Gauntlet possibly...

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[MuzakMaker]

What’s bad coding, and what isn’t? For a while Babylon was clearing all neg. effects, not just silver ones. And also maybe the damage reduction was lasting longer than one turn.

That was bad coding.. maybe a “bug.” Are you telling me that you never once used Babylon while it was broken (or is it, still? It’s hard to keep track)?

Is that better? Different? How?

If the problem is the coding, the solution has to come from the coders.

Bad coding is when the game can't handle all of the things that need to happen and it crashes. This isn't a tricky defense this is an abusive defense team.

Just because a workaround exists doesn't mean there isn't still a bug that needs to be fixed which brings me to my next point.

Thank you Ceeg and team for expediting this fix!

[Maiden]

Just got word, the fix for this will be released in our next release! It requires a Client update, so we are unable to hotfix it ahead of time unfortunately.

Thank you very much! Thats what we needed!

[Puntwothree]

@Maiden: looks like Ceeg posted twice while you were crafting your argument. Unfortunately.. you know I like a good debate.

It seems a waste to not respond to reason with reason.. but the fix was my goal. My work here is done ;-).

[Cthulhu]

I think you’ve accurately defined shaming.

... which is bad.

I don't know if English is your native language, but the word you 're looking for is "exposing", and when someone does something wrong, it's perfectly OK.