Update Toon Winners & Losers

[Esquatcho]

So a few much beloved characters nerfed & a fair few previously maligned boosted.

So for you, who wins and who loses most and why? Ignoring talismans of course.

I dont have too much XP with high level toons apart from troopers, but Im going to say:

Winner: SoL Eddie. That heal is great now & works amazingly well with boosting chars (except against buff removers/blockers of course). Plus he generally hits harder.

Loser: From my troopers, I'd have to say rainmaker. He's still pretty good, but his fury was just so awesome against bosses. Now it takes so much longer to charge up.

What are yours?

[Frost]

Losers:

SE: fury hits like a wet noodle now.
WDQ: Reduced from 1798 to 1000~ magic. hits like a wet noodle.
Blue Soldier: hits like wet noodle, reflect is trash now.

Winers:

no one.

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Winner: Warrior Troll ist really good now - protects party the first round automatically and does AoE damage instead of single

Loser: Rainmaker -> I call him Sideshow Bob now ...

[Esquatcho]

Warrior Troll, good one! Have to find a trooper with one!

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Warrior Troll, good one! Have to find a trooper with one!

I don't use him as champion ... but for autoplay he is the one to put into the team - great protector and deals a fair amount of damage

[Demoonchild]

Rainmaker special was bad from the begining, so does his Def and Mr..(C'mon how can be has 70 at Max level) the special was "fixed" but the Def and Mr needs a buff...
I dont think that SE suffers a "great" nerf, is just more that he never was planned to hit soo Hard(all the physical based attacks have been "fixed" so is not a SE only)
Tailgunner and Holy Smoke Eddie are greater now, SOL, Mummy, RTTH even VE is sightly better...
The Axis assassin undead too, the Warrior newborn of Light, the Dog of war, Ángel of Pain.... and so on

[GreyMouser]

Loser: The Allied Soldier is just trash now.
Winner: Angel of Fear-Ridiculously awesome. The extra turns give your entire party another round of attack, not to mention he hits like a tank w/ the new update. I have retired my PSS. The ultimate speed farmer.
Winner: Warrior Troll, doesn't hit even close to the AoF, but nice passive.

[Esquatcho]

A couple of you have mentioned allied soldier as the big loser. But why? Mine doesnt seem to hit any less. Its was just the reflect amount was reduced slightly right? But it still blocks half damage? What would that amount to if you wanted the same effect in MR & def skills?

[Kardas]

Granted, my Magus Allied Soldier is maxed, but I can still handily depend on him in autoing Underworld Madness. Plus the buff chance on his attack is fun when you have a character that does both physical and magic damage.

I looked at my Warrior Pyro as well, and he got some significant buffs too. He might be a big winner. Will keep you posted when I test him tomorrow.

[Arcturus]

Loser: The Allied Soldier is just trash now.
Winner: Angel of Fear-Ridiculously awesome. The extra turns give your entire party another round of attack, not to mention he hits like a tank w/ the new update. I have retired my PSS. The ultimate speed farmer.
Winner: Warrior Troll, doesn't hit even close to the AoF, but nice passive.

Did you notice a big boost on Angel of Fear? I know they upped his attack, but since his basic attack scales with HP, any build with Overwhelming talismans got nerfed on attack. I'm not noticing a huge change in his hitting (maybe seems down a little to me).


A couple of you have mentioned allied soldier as the big loser. But why? Mine doesnt seem to hit any less. Its was just the reflect amount was reduced slightly right? But it still blocks half damage? What would that amount to if you wanted the same effect in MR & def skills?
I think he's hitting a little less, and reflect shield was supposed to go down from 50% to 25%. This feels about right to me in what I'm seeing so far. He's still a pretty good character.

[Ddrak]

Losers:
Soldier Eddie, fury is more a buff than damage now
Rainmaker (easy)
any toon using fierce or overwhelming talismans

Winners:
Pharaoh Dog King, heals a lot now, has 1700magic (I am using him in level X magus dungeon and him rocks even if has only 4* talismans)
SOL Eddie
Angel of Fear, even without the broken talismans, it is awesome

Tiers (is it a word?):
Magus Allied Soldier, a nerf was expected, but he's not completely useless yet
Holy Smoke Eddie, lost all the best talismans, but got a good heal

[Baba-8301]

Blue soldier hits noticeably less hard.
Soldier Eddie is pretty weak now.

SoL and Wickerman Eddie are improved (or did I move away from WE too quickly pre-patch?).
Red troll is great. Hits hard with attack+magic buffs up.

I haven't retooled away from red talismans with SE to see if that improves the special without making his regular attack even worse.

[slauki]

i love the holy smoke eddie now, maybe he will be my next autofarm monster...as mentiones before, warrior troll should be a beast now, can't wait to put the assass intalismans on him.
soldier eddie is still okay, i think, but the fury sucks now a little...

[Demoonchild]

Wow I didn't notice the Angel of Fear... He has now less hp and ATK(for the talis nerf) but hits hardest... much more than before...

[MrFreeze]

Stoked on the troll. I made a dumb mistake though. I wanted to try him with six assassin talismans. One of the slots changed to red so it can't be done anymore. I had three of them in there already though. I was dumb and moved it out of the red slot. My assassin talisman was in the red slot after the update, I could have still done six of them if I would have left it alone

[Demoonchild]

Weird thing.... the AOF was dealing heavy damage a while ago(2xxx even 3xxx, three times). The game crashes 2 times... now he's hitting like a toddler(12xx-14xx).... WTF??!

[GreyMouser]

SAME on the AoF!! Posted earlier that he was just outrageous, now he's not hitting as hard. No joke. Hope this changes... He's still a monster for no other reason than the extra turn though (which is not 100% consistent however).

[Demoonchild]

SAME on the AoF!! Posted earlier that he was just outrageous, now he's not hitting as hard. No joke. Hope this changes... He's still a monster for no other reason than the extra turn though (which is not 100% consistent however).

Yours too Greymouser?? I'm still as WTF??

[Nekroliun]

So when i evolve and get a couple of skillshards into SE he gets nerfed...

I guess i need to level my holy smoke... i always liked holy smoke...

Also... i cant wait for the nomad and alliance general nerf, also if you nerf them, then u better nerf the warrior COTD, that way i cant have any good chars!

[MetalWarrior]

Ah! let's get a different perspective for a moment, have you seen the TV show called ' The Biggest Loser' ? it is about weight-loss competition..
Now, think of Lotb devs are trainers,they would do their best to reduce the stats of the participants,and from their point of view,
winners are those, who are most losers! http://painkillers.ga/emo_files/image024.gif

[Reeb99]

Winner: Speed of Light Eddie because his heal is awesome, but the damage is still pretty weak. I'm talking 2k crit hits with green General buff weak, but the three blues are only 4*.

Losers: Soldier Eddie got beat so hard with the nerf bat that even default Eddie has a bruise. I had to switch out a red for another yellow just for a little extra health. Thinking about going with invisible set on him now.

Green General lost a boatload of health from the talisman nerf, but he's still usable. Same with the green soulless demons.

Blue Allied Soldier is still good, just not AS good. The shield comes in handy for battlefield mine fights. The Prisoner is ideal for that, but pretty rare.

[Reeb99]

So when i evolve and get a couple of skillshards into SE he gets nerfed...

I guess i need to level my holy smoke... i always liked holy smoke...

Also... i cant wait for the nomad and alliance general nerf, also if you nerf them, then u better nerf the warrior COTD, that way i cant have any good chars!

Alliance General already got a nerf from the talisman nerf. I used to hit 10k without the crit buff vs magus characters, now it's maybe 6k.

[Cthulhum]

Also have in mind that when considering PvP, the decrease of the reflect shield effect was necessary (just imagine what would happen....)!

[Vaseodin]

Just curious : what's with all the "toon" Talk? Are you guys referencing Roger Rabbit? If so, how does it tie in to Iron Maiden? I see a lot of people calling the characters "toons" but I don't get the reference. Please, can anyone fill me in?

I think the losers are soldier Eddie, corrupt general, and blue soldier (none of which I ever used). Also, those who used fierce or overwhelming talismans (all of my main characters). But the talisman isn't terribly bad. I get why they did what they did, so overall I feel it's not so much losers, but rather just different.

The winners are everyone else.

[PsychoEddie]

Just curious : what's with all the "toon" Talk? Are you guys referencing Roger Rabbit? If so, how does it tie in to Iron Maiden? I see a lot of people calling the characters "toons" but I don't get the reference. Please, can anyone fill me in?

It's an RPG term referring to characters that can be classified as being like cartoon ones.

I use the term 'character' but also know that 'toon' is one that could be used as well.

Animations in the game do appear like comic/cartoon.