The drop rates again V3.1A

[aur0ra85]

Im glad to see drop rates moving in the right direction; however, I feel like they could still use some tweaking and reworking.

1. Almost every character at end game uses/requires green talismans, either 1-3, and green characters often require 6. This is going to start an extreme strain on the system at some point because the 3* green evo runes drop at about the same rate as any other evo rune (Please correct me if I'm wrong). At some point, people will begin to run out of green evo runes this creating a large bottleneck in the system.

2. Again please correct me if I'm wrong here but the drop rate of coloured 3* coloured evo runes appears to be less on maps like battlefield and kingdom of sands than underworld. This is again creating a bottle neck in the system whereby the most widely used 3* coloured evo runes (green, red, and blue), drop less than yellow and purple 3* evo runes. In addition to less gold and a worse drop rate by farming battlefield and KOS, we are now dealing with an excess of 3* purple and yellow evo runes in the system as referenced by the following pictures (which appears to be compounding inventory issues leading to more work expanding inventory slots):
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I have no clue what I'm going to do with 370 purple evo runes....

3. I've nearly run out of coloured evo shards and am completely devoid of red and blue at this point ->which is brutal considering farming more of them for the reduced amount of gold, reduced rare souls, and reduced coloured evo shard rate in the LOL campaign. I work during the week and can probably kiss goodbye any more red/green/blue characters in the future. This is an especially bitter pill.

4. Farming low end talismans like strength, ascension, health, and holy is painful for end game players as the drop rate isn't good, and the gold received from those levels as well as the 3* evo rune drop rate is abysmal.

I'll edit when I know more.

[Esquatcho]

My problem is the exact opposite. I've got more than enough 3* rainbow evos, just not enough 1* & 2* to get talismans from 3* to 4* and then to 5*.

How many of those yellow/purple coloured evos were left from previous?

Personally, I'd be happy for 3* rainbow evos to be the bottleneck. But Im having difficulties where 1* and 2* evos are the bottle neck. That doesnt make sense to me.

[aur0ra85]

5. I've run out of regular runes. I used to have stacks of 5* runes, they're all but gone now. I'm actually gaining evo runes faster than these things. Don't know what else to say. This is a flat out deal breaker IMHO. It takes months to get enough of these things to upgrade enough talismans to make trying out different parties possible. I've got 70ish talismans now and literally require a couple hundred more. Farming for the evo runes is extremely painful.
How am I supposed to work on my allies if I cannot find enough runes for my eddies? What is the point? I need 21 more max talismans for my current 5* Eddie collection before I start dealing with the allies. I cannot farm anymore. All of the characters require custom sets before I can mix and match Eddie and allies. I cannot even legit play this game as a human having fun trying new things Without butchering my other toons ->which completely defeats the purpose of trying to find new synergies.

How could you as devs not realize all the buffs and balancing changes you made and all that work was for nothing if every end game player always uses the same 4 or 5 toons because they cannot farm enough evo materials for another 4 or 5 toons within a period of a couple months? Wtf over?


Having to farm for the regular runes is cause for revolt.
This is a deal breaker. I'm sorry, I will not continue to play this game at all unless this is fixed. I will literally stop farming immediately and move on from this game even though I actually managed to get my most coveted Eddie last night.
After the project of all projects this past week I run out of runes before I can upgrade a set of talismans for my new Eddie. Unbelievable.
I am done.

[Nekroliun]

Btw where does everyone farm their shit?

[aur0ra85]

Game of death and a matter of life and death. Auto. Since the challenge update I've farmed 12,000,000 gold and 4400 sands of time.
I am sorry, some of th changes were fantastic, this change is appalling. I can't believe the team has stooped to this level. Either that or it's a bug. Either way it's broken.
I can't even imagine what it's like for a new player to pick up this game. Just wow.

[Baba-8301]

I normally farm Game of Death madness, and just try to stockpile whatever is dropping the most in the current patch. I have enough talismans (80 odd I guess? ) that I don't have to swap them around that much once I settle on the 3-4 characters I am going to use for the day. It would be great to have everyone set up with their own set of 6 but I don't have the time or the inclination to farm 'em all up. I prefer to keep a stock of materials sufficient to build up a set of 3 to level 50 in a hurry when needed, then just get back to letting things pile up and pick something to boost when I get inventory problems. There is definitely an imbalance of Overwhelming and Fierce, but I can't complain about the rebalance - it was bleedin' obvious that it was going to be normalised at some point so I just enjoyed it while it was overpowered.

[aur0ra85]

I normally farm Game of Death madness, and just try to stockpile whatever is dropping the most in the current patch. I have enough talismans (80 odd I guess? ) that I don't have to swap them around that much once I settle on the 3-4 characters I am going to use for the day. It would be great to have everyone set up with their own set of 6 but I don't have the time or the inclination to farm 'em all up. I prefer to keep a stock of materials sufficient to build up a set of 3 to level 50 in a hurry when needed, then just get back to letting things pile up and pick something to boost when I get inventory problems. There is definitely an imbalance of Overwhelming and Fierce, but I can't complain about the rebalance - it was bleedin' obvious that it was going to be normalised at some point so I just enjoyed it while it was overpowered.

This isn't normalized. They simply moved the bottle neck and didn't tell anyone. In fact they said specifically that not only would the drop rate improve, but that the new bottle neck would be gold. Which at this point I feel is a flat out lie. It's very clear that post October 28th update or whenever it was that runes were quietly removed. So, that's flat out lie. I was willing to overlook the fact that the special Halloween update had limited drops of skill shards and gunner souls, because I did receive them on the first go through. I rationalized that by saying to myself it wasn't a lie, a bit of false advertising for sure, but more like misdirection. The rune shortage is real, and that's either a lie or a bug. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt this time though, I feel as though I've been lied to. Maybe it's a bug? Given the track record, you make up your own mind.... I've upgraded 3 talismans to 5 stars, don't have enough runes to max 1 since. Dirty play.

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This isn't normalized. They simply moved the bottle neck and didn't tell anyone. In fact they said specifically that not only would the drop rate improve, but that the new bottle neck would be gold. Which at this point I feel is a flat out lie. It's very clear that post October 28th update or whenever it was that runes were quietly removed. So, that's flat out lie. I was willing to overlook the fact that the special Halloween update had limited drops of skill shards and gunner souls, because I did receive them on the first go through. I rationalized that by saying to myself it wasn't a lie, a bit of false advertising for sure, but more like misdirection. The rune shortage is real, and that's either a lie or a bug. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt this time though, I feel as though I've been lied to. Maybe it's a bug? Given the track record, you make up your own mind.... I've upgraded 3 talismans to 5 stars, don't have enough runes to max 1 since. Dirty play.

Imho the whole thing could be easily resolved with an exchange bazar or something similar. Anyone knows the Settlers of Catan? You can change 3:1 ressources on a port for example.

Nobody needs the silly shards - I rather level my toons up farming. but I have a lot of them.

Let's say I could change 10 shards 3* into one rune 3* of any color or 3 evo runes into one of a different color. maybe every swap costs 10k gold as well - I don't know. The whole bottleneck would be resolved very quickly. Even if you are unlucky and farm the wrong stuff - at least you are not completely stuck.

Would work with souls as well. Swap 50 (or a different number) normal souls for a rare one ...

[Baba-8301]

I think we've got our wires crossed Drew. I was referring to the stats changes on the talismans (a bit out of context). I agree that getting runes to power up talismans is the limiting factor now, although a factor I can largely ignore as I feel I am better off shuffling talismans around instead of levelling a set for each 5* character given my available play time.

[Aristo4]

This isn't normalized. They simply moved the bottle neck and didn't tell anyone. In fact they said specifically that not only would the drop rate improve, but that the new bottle neck would be gold. Which at this point I feel is a flat out lie. It's very clear that post October 28th update or whenever it was that runes were quietly removed. So, that's flat out lie. I was willing to overlook the fact that the special Halloween update had limited drops of skill shards and gunner souls, because I did receive them on the first go through. I rationalized that by saying to myself it wasn't a lie, a bit of false advertising for sure, but more like misdirection. The rune shortage is real, and that's either a lie or a bug. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt this time though, I feel as though I've been lied to. Maybe it's a bug? Given the track record, you make up your own mind.... I've upgraded 3 talismans to 5 stars, don't have enough runes to max 1 since. Dirty play.

I don't think normal runes to upgrade talis were completely removed, that's a exaggeration. I was almost out of those too about the time this update happened......but I evolved 7 to 5* (almost hitting 50), and around 10 to 40 in 10days....and still getting runes very frequently (although mostly lower level ones)

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I even had 4 more purple 4* while I was typing this.

[Esquatcho]

I would just note that the devs have already said they realise the lack of lower level evo runes and will work on things.

In terms of having enough upgrade runes, I question whether they are any less rare, or just because we have more evo runes, we are dumping a lot more of them into talismans faster?

[aur0ra85]

Guys I'm done arguing. The proof is in the pudding. I ran out last eve half way through my talisman marathon. I have 3 talismans at 5* level 1, and no runes to upgrade them. I don't know what else you want to argue about? They're gone man. It's not like you sit down one day and recode the drop rates and then realize you f**ked this up after you implement it. You do some math first. This is intentional. They had to know we would run out of upgrade materials. Intentionally stalling people's progression is awful. I'm glad I didn't buy those deals on ironite. Just wow.

[Esquatcho]

Im honestly sorry you feel that bad about it man.

Personally, I feel the should limit it somehow. Otherwise whats the point of having progression in the first place? Just give us all maxed out talismans whenever we get one.

You could argue the balance of where the road block is, and I dont disagree that more upgrade runes would be useful. There is definitely balancing to be done, but personally I feel like the situation warrants more attention to the drop of 1 & 2* evo runes.

At the same time, I am swimming in 2 & 1* upgrade shards. They could definitely do with some tweaking as to how many of those you get from LoL and general play and replace some of those with more upgrade runes.

[aur0ra85]

I had 3 max clash of clans accounts: a TH9, a TH10, and a TH11. I loved them max because it allowed me to play the game, farming isn't my game, I farm to max my account so I can play how and when I want with little to no account housekeeping ->that's fun for me. I'm not interested in spending an hour reading skills, switching out talismans to play ten rounds. I want my Eddie characters finished so I can have a real go at building those synergies with my allies one by one. As stated by Flying V: the inventory gui is a whole bunch of furious masturbatory swipes to change out one talisman. What really grinds my gears is the lying. They lied to us. It's that simple.

[PerthEddie]

I must admit I am feeling frustrated with the game today. Not for the reasons Drew is talking about per se but because I feel I have reached an impasse in the game and can't progress. Some of it will be down to me being shit at the game, some of it is the game not dropping what I would like/need. I need 2 red 3* runes to take a red character from 4* to 5* so have been in the dungeon today. I can only really comfortably do L7 due to weaknesses with my chars (this is still while using strong Troopers) but I know 3* do drop there. Not got one. Quite a few times I got 600 gold and 3* power up shards. I actually did do L10, hoping they might drop, even though I knew I would have to spend Ironite reviving (cost me 30) - I got a 2* colourless and a 3* power up shard. Sorry but that is pretty poor for doing L10.

Just feel stuck now. I can't get the 3rd skull on Number of the Beast on Hard but that may be down to me not using correct technique(s) to do it. I am stuck on Snake Eyes Madness as I can't win inside 180 seconds and I haven't bothered trying to get past Desolate Space Madness as I will get my backside handed to me on a plate. Only way I can probably do these is to throw Ironite at it but it will then start to feel like a "pay to win" game and I know I will resent the game and delete it if it makes me feel like that.

Sorry Drew for hijacking your thread but just needed to get my frustrations out there :(

Edit:

Just tried L10 again at a cost of another 20 Ironite. Got 8x 3* power up shards and 5 ordinary souls. Is there something wrong with the dungeon today? Thinking about it almost every time I have played it has dropped 3* power up shards.

[Esquatcho]

Edit:

Just tried L10 again at a cost of another 20 Ironite. Got 8x 3* power up shards and 5 ordinary souls. Is there something wrong with the dungeon today? Thinking about it almost every time I have played it has dropped 3* power up shards.

Im wondering the same. Not saying there is an issue, but yesterday I dumped 80 shards into LoLX and got 4 x 3* evo shards. Today, I've thrown ~240 sands into the LoL dungeon and gotten only 1 x 3* red evo shard. Possible its just bad luck too.

And your situation man, I've been there relatively recently. All it will take is getting those evo shards, or a talisman upgrade, or a bit of luck with a random rare soul or trooper soul. My advice is to keep going with the troopers. They will give you the points to get souls, which will give you the best chance of getting the right toon to really drive you past those blocking points.... Oh and a heap of grind. Realistically, my experience with this game is that you just gotta grind.

[Bryan-3528]

I don't think normal runes to upgrade talis were completely removed, that's a exaggeration. I was almost out of those too about the time this update happened......but I evolved 7 to 5* (almost hitting 50), and around 10 to 40 in 10days....and still getting runes very frequently (although mostly lower level ones)

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I even had 4 more purple 4* while I was typing this.

Where are you finding the 2* red evo runes? i can only get about 1-2 drop per day at best, even with 3-4 sands of time refills each day. I've tried to find them based on Sparton's patch notes and the "drop info" but still very little luck.

[Aristo4]

Where are you finding the 2* red evo runes? i can only get about 1-2 drop per day at best, even with 3-4 sands of time refills each day. I've tried to find them based on Sparton's patch notes and the "drop info" but still very little luck.

Today, I got more than 1 time,a pair or 1* and 2* as a single drop, on the last battle before A matter of life and death.

Drops remain bad though, these all were collected in 10 days.