February 2nd 2017 Update Discussion

[Caretaker]

Now I know I'm gonna hurt some feelings but sometimes it's just necessary for not seeing beyond your nose. And please note that I'm not adressing messengers but the ideas. So please don't find yourselfs called out.
About that 1.,2.,3. list. What Sparton said.

1. BillLion's second post on troopers. I'm with you due to time consumption.
But it ment a world in early stages of the game to have more troopers so you can buy things, and get passed those hard levels your troopers just had the wright crearure for, didn't it? Ok, cut down to 40 but no less. And that fast farming, x3 but no more. Claiming, no way. No time to play, no rewards, but you can still buy them. Not me :)

2. Pvp. All talking here.. we have a pvp discussion thread for this. It's not worldwide yet and there are pve issues that are getting drowned here. Just don't get that. Nevermind. I'll start a thread there.
Again, what Sparton said + I'd make higher tiers to loose even more for loosing and gain even less from/for bashing lower tiers + the list for attacks and after the reset at the end of the week is wrong too and should be set acordingly. Like in real life, pick on someone of your own size. I feel like prick attacking lower ranked ppl. I'm totaly for the newer players, who cares about you and me old pricks, we have enough. Don't get upset here, I'll explain it there, by nightfall tomorrow GMT on pvp thread, so stay tooned :)

3. All I can say about the prisoner is that I'm sorry I don't own one. And that I'm sorry that we don't have more creatures with that passive, and another, 'no passives arena', or '4* arena' to select on enterance (like pve has worlds) so that we can shine our prisoners all we want and still play something unaffected by them.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Is this normal, or is it a bug after the update?? This morning I’ve played SL Endless Rain & SL Lightbringer, both of madness, with the following team: CR Eddie + Sentinel Allied Bomber Boy + Sentinel Pyro Soldier. So, in the 1st round of the last stages of those SL, CR Eddie had the following stats raised:

[stats]

I guess then, that CR Eddie can’t be untouched by magic… which is useless against Hellhoundz & Axis Bomber Boys attacks anyway… but still…

That is not intended to happen. There is a bug in the current version where status effects (bonuses, penalties, and otherwise) can stack in the campaign battles on your Eddie. This will be fixed in the next update.

[RCarter]

Just had Soldier Eddie with a progressive 250% to attack and defense do over 16,000 with barrage in normal Lightbringer.

Only to get yet another MACLO crash after clearing the hellhounds...

Screwed out of secret area loot and trooper points (sorry PizzaFriday...) yet again.

Please Sparton, with sugar on top, say that you guys have some kind of lead on these crashes. Shits getting old brother.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Just had Soldier Eddie with a progressive 250% to attack and defense do over 16,000 with barrage in normal Lightbringer.

Only to get yet another MACLO crash after clearing the hellhounds...

Screwed out of secret area loot and trooper points (sorry PizzaFriday...) yet again.

Please Sparton, with sugar on top, say that you guys have some kind of lead on these crashes. Shits getting old brother.

Do you recall how many secret locations you cleared today (or which ones, or how many 3 day reset ones)?

[druid138]

Sparton - is it at all possible that MACLOs are caused by drops somehow conflicting with our existing inventory? I haven't applied statistics to this, but it seems like they are way more prevalent on quests / SLs / floors with the largest drops.

druid138-6195

[RCarter]

Do you recall how many secret locations you cleared today (or which ones, or how many 3 day reset ones)?

Sure do:

All three in the Ailing Kingdom, Normal and Madness in KoTS, Battlefield Normal, and Underworld Normal.

I think only the UW sl is a 3 day reset.

druid: I have doubts that those crashes are inventory related. I had just sold off excess stuff before doing the secret level run.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Sparton - is it at all possible that MACLOs are caused by drops somehow conflicting with our existing inventory? I haven't applied statistics to this, but it seems like they are way more prevalent on quests / SLs / floors with the largest drops.

druid138-6195

It's possible, but I don't know the cause myself. I don't think there's anything in particular we've ruled out.


Sure do:

All three in the Ailing Kingdom, Normal and Madness in KoTS, Battlefield Normal, and Underworld Normal.

I think only the UW sl is a 3 day reset.

Thanks, I'll pass that along to see if that helps isolate what happened.

[satani]

well, since the crashing bug is still not fixed (and yes, i sent and email with alll technical details. (i have yet found no pattern, android 4.2 to 4.4.4, 1GB and 2GB devices, resolutions from fullhd to lower). On all 4 devices, the game ran before.

Now my friend has stopped waiting after 5 days and uninstalled the game. Way to go, NRG!
I don't think he'll ever come back as he didn't like some of the talisman-nerfs too.

The 75 ironite gift (code or link on facebook) is ok, but what for? I have 1000+ ironite and nothing to spend on. Bring some special souls (like BNW or christmas ones) to spend the ironite!

[MoonShadow]

That is not intended to happen. There is a bug in the current version where status effects (bonuses, penalties, and otherwise) can stack in the campaign battles on your Eddie. This will be fixed in the next update.Thanks for your response, Sparton! Well, at least, it is a 'friendly' bug....:D

[nuclear1250]

Thought I'd make some observations based on my experiences with the update so far.

Effects do not seem to apply to any Eddie at all from what I've seen so far, either positive or negative. The status icons appear above the health bar but the effects do not actually seem to apply. All effects apply normally to allies BTW. So whilst it is nice that Visions Eddie's fury is not going to be a complete waste for a while it is incredibly game breaking. Surprised no-one seems to have made a note of this so far, or maybe just my version of the game is glitched.

AoF's passive only triggers whenever it wants to. Most of the time it works but every now and then it fails to trigger. I've figured out that it only seems to trigger whenever you kill the enemy the targeting reticule is on but even then it sometimes doesn't work.

Obviously the effect talismans (burning, freezing, e.t.c) now have effect chances so low that they're now practically worthless, I've had to rebuild a lot of my characters who were based around these effects as a result.

Not the only one to point it out, but GR Eddie seems to randomly damage himself sometimes. It doesn't necessarily happen all the time but enough to make farming the harder levels difficult. Something else I've also noticed is - and I don't know if this is any sort of passive on any particular enemy - but after attacking or killing an enemy, the whole team is either damaged at random or gets some sort of random negative effect applied which usually cripples the player and forces them to either spend ironite after their team inevitably gets wiped out or take control manually to try and save the battle.



Also, some slight observations on MACL0: I'm not sure what it is that triggers it but it seems to be linked to the inventory and with stacks of items. More specifically, I find that if I have more than one stack of any particular item (shards, runes, e.t.c.) at any particular * level, then I have more of a chance of being greeted by MACL0. But if I only have one stack of that particular item then I seem to be able to avoid it. It's weird either way, but selling off duplicate stacks and generally clearing my inventory seems to have helped so far and (touch wood) I haven't actually had MACL0 for a while.


EDIT: so after more observation, turns out whether or not effects apply to Eddie seems to be completely random: sometimes the effects apply, sometimes they don't. Can't tell you how many times the endure effect has failed to apply to my Eddie causing me to have to spend ironite to continue only for it to suddenly work the next round. It's just incredibly random.

[crapmaster]

Any updates on the issue that the achievements menu is hanging/crashing?
As described here (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?4691-Can-not-claim-achievements&highlight=Claim).

Been this for at least 2 weeks now and it's way beyond boring!

[Ringe666-7406]

Won against player who only has 150pts less than me in Arena and I still get 12pts only. Great tuning, keep up the good work \m/

[HomemLivre]

Hey Sparton, what about the Equilibrium skill from Visions Eddie that you said it would be fixed in the current patch?

Still not cleansing in the second turn...

[Nine]

Alright, I am aware that this will not become the most constructive post I've written, but this is going on for so long, I really have to urge you: If something like this happens again, please just roll the update back and fix the most critical bugs - first and foremost the immediate crashing. I hope you have data that gave you an insight on how many players are actually affected by this and decided the numbers are neglectible. In case you don't, this might have a lasting impact on the game nobody could wish for.

But even aside from this, I am perplexed by now that such an update could not only go life, but survive as long as it does untouched. At the core of this game and basically everything it evolves around is the combat system. At the moment practically everything that plays a part in the combat system is broken:

- Buffs don't work properly. Some are carrying over from round to round and are stacking (is it limited to Passives? I don't know), some don't have any impact at all (which is great if you actually get Void Shield to proc and it does exactly nothing). That brings us to

- Procs from Talismans don't work at all. I know it's technically not "at all" but rather "really, really, really unlikely", so unlikely you can not rely on them and the best advice might be to switch them for something useful...if you have somthing useful already leveled up. There goes CC

- Healing does randomly not work the way it should. Instead a Carriage Rider kills himself or my Sentinel Golden Son kills my Eddie

- Eddie might further kill himself even if he does not receive healing (what a sentence to type) if his attack can cause additional attacks, yay

- I don't really understand the debuff/unexplainable low damage or healing issue well enough to go into detail, but that's the icing on the cake of "unexpected surprises" you get at the worst moments

I am sure some guys here appreciate the challenge to build a team that is not affected by the named issues, that is buffs, debuffs, healing, procs and certain basic attacks (or even make use of the buff stacking which can be quite efficient), but having this for one entire week now gets really old. We haven't even started with the things independent of combat, such as Skill Shard and Inventory Issues I am fortunately enough not to experience myself.

If it is for technical reasons not possible to roll and update back there really has to be some better way of quality control, some fall net or I-don't know-what.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Any updates on the issue that the achievements menu is hanging/crashing?
As described here (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?4691-Can-not-claim-achievements&highlight=Claim).

Been this for at least 2 weeks now and it's way beyond boring!

I don't have an update for that right now, sadly, other than saying we're collecting everyone's info for who is affected (and for how long) and that we are still looking into it.


Hey Sparton, what about the Equilibrium skill from Visions Eddie that you said it would be fixed in the current patch?

Still not cleansing in the second turn...

I don't think I ever said we had a fix for this... I've probably mentioned that I've passed the info along to the team to be tracked for a fix, but our internal ticket for this issue has never had a fix committed yet.


If it is for technical reasons not possible to roll and update back there really has to be some better way of quality control, some fall net or I-don't know-what.

It is for technical reasons. The short version of it is an app store update can include changes which are not backwards compatible (either with how the app logic works or with how the server logic works). Once such an update is live, there's no turning back, whether we want to or not.

Generally speaking, when an app update requires us to perform a maintenance mode while it goes live, it's not backward compatible (which is why we need everyone on the new version once the maintenance is down).

[Bradata]

I hope the devs will give us a better update soon, if not I am going back to Candy crush :(

[Mizrael]

LOL!
Now...believe me. I have seen whole teams die of AGS immortality skill and AoS die upon a basic attack while immune and invincible but this one tops it all: Spartons defense team takes no damage from trolls reflect shield...
At least this super intelligent AI, which makes its own decisions wouldn't hurt its maker. kinda calming... 😄

[konstifik]

- Buffs don't work properly. Some are carrying over from round to round and are stacking (is it limited to Passives? I don't know), some don't have any impact at all (which is great if you actually get Void Shield to proc and it does exactly nothing). That brings us to


It's not limited to passives. CR Eddie has a move that has a chance to raise Magic and MR and those buffs stick around, as well as stack once you get them again on another wave. This also seem to be the case with negative stat effects.

[ill]

I am experiencing this with these talismans, as well as with the freeze talismans (like others have posted) and the thief talismans too!

Bumping this post. I see and understand the freeze nerf on PvP. However, thief among others weren't noted in the notes but were considerably nerfed. What gives?

[Mizrael]

Bumping this post. I see and understand the freeze nerf on PvP. However, thief among others weren't noted in the notes but were considerably nerfed. What gives?

It has been mentioned before, that due to a newly introduced bug the talismans proc only on one enemy (from my observation it's mostly the target or in PvP it seems to be only the Eddie). This plus the lowered proc % (the intended one) and multi hitter nerf (fix), make it seem like they don't proc at all...

[Sparton_LOTB]

LOL!
Now...believe me. I have seen whole teams die of AGS immortality skill and AoS die upon a basic attack while immune and invincible but this one tops it all: Spartons defense team takes no damage from trolls reflect shield...
At least this super intelligent AI, which makes its own decisions wouldn't hurt its maker. kinda calming... 😄

That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

[blade685]

That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

There 's so many bugs, do something devs seriously...
Do you want to lose all players???

[Mizrael]

That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

I can't tell you that (It's a secret) And i don't see of what relevance would it be. All that matters is that i had a warrior troll,all 4 characters had a reflect shield on,you went first and not a single one attack of yours did trigger the reflection. no damage numbers,no loss on health bar,no shaking of your toons...

[Roquetas-5312]

Bye guys and good luck had enough of this shit nothing works and can't claim daily challenges for 2 weeks please feel free to drop me as trooper

[Sparton_LOTB]

I can't tell you that (It's a secret) And i don't see of what relevance would it be.

The relevance is that I could try to diagnose what is happening; either a bug or a misunderstanding on your part for how the characters in the battle are intended to function.

For example, you could be running into a bug that occurs if you have multiple shields on a single character (if you were running two warrior trolls, for example). Or you could have had multiple magma shields instead of multiple reflect shields (magma shields won't reflect damage immediately, and my defense team is set up to try and proc multiple extra turns, potentially plowing through magma shields before they can function outside of their damage reduction).

EDIT: If you don't want to share your team with the world, you can PM me directly.

[Ringe666-7406]

Sparton, will you make mummy's power smash possible to aim with that stun? Not a single time ever it went where I wanted it...

[ToTameAGame]

Not sure if this is a new one. But when Magma shield triggers (explodes to return damage) it takes away the Vanish status from toons even it just triggered and says 3 turns left. Also not sure if this should happen like this.

[Ancient Mariner]

not sure if it's already been said, but the CR Eddie's basic attack doesn't seem to deal damage now

[powerslave74]

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but I have noticed that Pharaoh Eddie's future skill Revive All only heals all characters for 363hp since the update.

[ToTameAGame]

Bye guys and good luck had enough of this shit nothing works and can't claim daily challenges for 2 weeks please feel free to drop me as trooper

Another good active trooper bites the dust. But who are we to blame you? Thanks for all the trooper points and shame to Legacy of the Bugs - the most overrated alpha version on the planet that people still have high hopes for. There are times I really wish they pull the plug and release us all from our addiction.

[mjmxiii]

Bye guys and good luck had enough of this shit nothing works and can't claim daily challenges for 2 weeks please feel free to drop me as trooper

One of the best collections of characters, thanks for all the points

[Caretaker]

Come back to say hi sometimes. Enjoy the free time:cool:

[Ventsink]

Yep, I'm done for a while until they can fix GR from blasting himself during Slash. Sick of playing in the dungeons, then having to spend 10 ironite to revive because GR blasted himself when using a Slash. I'll login to get the dailies but no point in playing anything until this "balancing" gets sorted. Cheers!