April 11th 2017 Update Discussion

[surfingwithdje]

Something is broken in the pvp since the update!! My defense team is attacked over and over (more than the number of attacks i can do...) Since the beginning of the arena i've never been privileged with a attack/def ratio around 1:1. But today my defense team have 100 more battles than my attack team, i don't think that everyone is in the same case regarding the score of the top 30 (or explain me how to get 5000 points if you have a negative ratio??)

[Ubajoa]

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Well something weird is happening with this guy Edwardgreat. He is rank 14 just a few points behind me. I really suspect of cheating.

[Browno]

Something is really wrong with edward
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[Enti]

I had an AoF this morning that triggered his "Extra Turn" for the whole party but none of my toons was dead yet. There is some incredibly weird shit going on after this update. Game is definitely getting worse again.

This morning one of my enemies' AoF triggered his passive even though s/he had 2 toons left out of 4, and I had all mine before the kill.
Seemingly angel's passive triggers at a kill, regardless of who made the first in battle.

[Jofer16]

+1 on the bugged dude.

devs must be drunk.

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Edit: the rest of your guys iron coin game is slacking haha, wish I could spend these damn things.

[HomemLivre]

Hahahaha, never seen Edward on my attack list, but I wonder whats going to happen when his points turn to zero! Maybe Brave New World unlock?
Looks like hes an easter egg player with such a mistery around him hahahahaha


Btw, reach the 400 attacks received mark today! Yeeeeey! Everthings screwd up again...

[angelkelly]

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Edit: the rest of your guys iron coin game is slacking haha, wish I could spend these damn things.

Now I see why they put a limit in the store.

[Jofer16]

Now I see why they put a limit in the store.

Yeah, to protect you unfortunate souls, everyone at the top is sitting on a pile of them.

[scott-5496]

Certainly something amiss with Edwardgreat as O played him and had the same issues as the resat of you - he was really easy to beat as well so not sure what is going on with that account.

Not having many major issues but Visions is certainly kicking my ass a bit - certainly there are some teams out there that are pretty difficult to get past and may need to look at sharding Visions myself!

[Mariner-0666]

Since the 4/11 update, Grim Reaper Eddie will randomly target himself. I can re-target him against the opposing team , but it's annoying that it happens. Have killed myself more than once while farming. Anyone else experience this?

[Enti]

Since the 4/11 update, Grim Reaper Eddie will randomly target himself. I can re-target him against the opposing team , but it's annoying that it happens. Have killed myself more than once while farming. Anyone else experience this?

This has been the case since the update prior to 4/11, starting with Jofer several others reported the same. Known issue and can hinder your PvP result by killing own team if you are in a flow and are not cautious enough

[Silentknight]

This has been the case since the update prior to 4/11, starting with Jofer several others reported the same. Known issue and can hinder your PvP result by killing own team if you are in a flow and are not cautious enough

Just had 4 matches vs u. No talisman buffs to start. About 1/2 matches today are like that! Worst update ever!!! Another Nodding Frog 'Fuck You"!!! Btw,ur welcome,gl bud!

[Enti]

Just had 4 matches vs u. No talisman buffs to start. About 1/2 matches today are like that! Worst update ever!!! Another Nodding Frog 'Fuck You"!!! Btw,ur welcome,gl bud!

Ehhh quite a shame. I can't enjoy this as clearly not deserved victories. WTH is going on, really...
Been playing the game since global launch, but hearing all the bugs (and experiencing several of them) is just making me lose my faith :(

Whenever pvp is fixed I want an epic clash with you Silent :D

[Silentknight]

Ehhh quite a shame. I can't enjoy this as clearly not deserved victories. WTH is going on, really...
Been playing the game since global launch, but hearing all the bugs (and experiencing several of them) is just making me lose my faith :(

Whenever pvp is fixed I want an epic clash with you Silent :D

Take the good with the bad,but this 1 is brutal. Only thing I like is the speed increase & that was a mistake,lmao! Games gunna be real sloooow when they fix it

[Jofer16]

Take the good with the bad,but this 1 is brutal. Only thing I like is the speed increase & that was a mistake,lmao! Games gunna be real sloooow when they fix it

I'm kinda glad, that's what they get for trying to rush in a speed tuning to try and bring my domination to a halt, the karma blowback against Jose Fernandez is strong lol

[Silentknight]

I'm kinda glad, that's what they get for trying to rush in a speed tuning to try and bring my domination to a halt, the karma blowback against Jose Fernandez is strong lol

Big smile!!!

[Killhouse]

Just trying to stir the pot here... but with 5 hours till reset, I bet Jofer couldn't catch G-mac 😉

[Tritium]

With all of these bugs, it's incredibly hard to tell if a high win percentage is due to a great team, or just people facing game-breaking bugs while playing against one's team. :rolleyes:

[Jofer16]

Just trying to stir the pot here... but with 5 hours till reset, I bet Jofer couldn't catch G-mac ��

Catch up on old posts, Gmacs got my wind at his back :) I'm just trying to stay at 666x in points but keep getting attacked lol

Edit: argh now I'm at 6671, someone attack me! haha

[Killhouse]

Catch up on old posts, Gmacs got my wind at his back :) I'm just trying to stay at 666x in points but keep getting attacked lol

Edit: argh now I'm at 6671, someone attack me! haha

Haha yeah I saw those posts, just trying to see if you accepted and pulled out another impossible feat!

[Tritium]

It'll be cool to see Gmac get his much anticipated Eternal Rank. I still remember that nail-biting run between Jofer and him back in the early weeks of global PVP (or was it actually the very FIRST week of global PVP?).

[Jofer16]

Haha yeah I saw those posts, just trying to see if you accepted and pulled out another impossible feat!

After 10k, and winning with no Prisoner, my thirst was quenched. And gmacs a stand up guy, I posted earlier in the week to gmac/Fallen/Nicko to turn on the turbo, all well deserving of hanging out with me on the mountaintop. Gmac took the reigns so it's all him this week, I'd feel evil if i lied :)

[Jofer16]

It'll be cool to see Gmac get his much anticipated Eternal Rank. I still remember that nail-biting run between Jofer and him back in the early weeks of global PVP (or was it actually the very FIRST week of global PVP?).

Yep, 1st and only time I questioned my ability :) gmac probably ruined all my future challengers chances because he was so relentless. Like knocking out Mike Tyson and then fighting the average joe haha Trials by fire are my favorite type.

Edit: hell I even called out the mysterious PizzaFriday gladiator style to no avail because I was bored.

[BadTaste]

Seems like Edwardgreat has lost his top ranking....

[Killhouse]

Yep, 1st and only time I questioned my ability :) gmac probably ruined all my future challengers chances because he was so relentless. Like knocking out Mike Tyson and then fighting the average joe haha Trials by fire are my favorite type.

Edit: hell I even called out the mysterious PizzaFriday gladiator style to no avail because I was bored.

Indeed, it'll be well deserved and he's a great contributor/gladiator. Probably nice for you to take a break too and share the glory.

Not sure where PizzaFriday went, he dominated the beta...

[Enti]

Too bad the only thing preventing me from giving a shot to get to eternal is money. I would have the persistence to grind the arena full week, and even though ironite is piling up way faster than at the beginning it is nowhere enough for top ranking, and saving to move abroad does not make #1 affordable to me

First things first, eh? :D

[Jofer16]

Too bad the only thing preventing me from giving a shot to get to eternal is money. I would have the persistence to grind the arena full week, and even though ironite is piling up way faster than at the beginning it is nowhere enough for top ranking, and saving to move abroad does not make #1 affordable to me

First things first, eh? :D

Yep, handle your business 1st and foremost. If you're doing that the disposable income to have fun comes with the territory. Stay in school kids! lol

[Jofer16]

Just trying to stir the pot here... but with 5 hours till reset, I bet Jofer couldn't catch G-mac 😉

I got this on deck for my next run across hot coals tho :)


https://youtu.be/rJOsjP33nF4

[Tritium]

Major kudos to you guys who are at the top. The bugs have been so brutal for me this time around that it's making my desire to PVP come to an all-time low, so I respect the diligence and persistence you guys have ─ I certainly don't have it in me lol! :p

That said, after I graduate next month and when the bugs get ironed out, I may try a run for the top 5. We'll see! ;)

[Jofer16]

Major kudos to you guys who are at the top. The bugs have been so brutal for me this time around that it's making my desire to PVP come to an all-time low, so I respect the diligence and persistence you guys have ─ I certainly don't have it in me lol! :p

That said, after I graduate next month and when the bugs get ironed out, I may try a run for the top 5. We'll see! ;)

At least some of us are trying to keep the ship afloat! Thanks bud.

[Jofer16]

I got this on deck for my next run across hot coals tho :)


https://youtu.be/rJOsjP33nF4

Well that was fast, Blacksteel trying to step. Let him get within a few points and then blasted a 300 point lead mwahaha

Edit: goodbye 666x :(

[Jofer16]

Sky gunning for 5th, come run with the wolves, let's see you make it! :)

[Skynyrdoo7]

Nope. Have not really played since Thursday. A couple here a couple the. I'm good at 6 or 7. Rock on guys

[Jofer16]

Nope. Have not really played since Thursday. A couple here a couple the. I'm good at 6 or 7. Rock on guys

Yeah, we're all reaching for a straw of motivation these days. Was hoping for some excitement haha

[Skynyrdoo7]

Hard for me to play Friday and Saturday. Seems Tuesday thru Thursday is when my ambition is at its highest..Lol.

[Jofer16]

And now my game animations are slower. I should have kept my mouth shut. After the update I noticed my load times were 5x worse, messaged Sparton and it was miraculously back to normal a few minutes later. This game might be rigged.

[Skynyrdoo7]

Mine has been slow since day one. I play off a turbo 2. Don't know if that has anything to do with it or not. Just is what it is I guess. I'm used to it now. Some times its frustrating when I'm in a Grove though. Watching my Tigers take a beating by the Indians now. Oh well..

[Jofer16]

Mine has been slow since day one. I play off a turbo 2. Don't know if that has anything to do with it or not. Just is what it is I guess. I'm used to it now. Some times its frustrating when I'm in a Grove though. Watching my Tigers take a beating by the Indians now. Oh well..

Detroit? Love me some Miggy :) And yep, my speed is back to normal now, these Jokers think i don't notice lol

[Skynyrdoo7]

Yup. Detroit. 6-9 Cleveland now. Don't call it a come back..lol

[Jofer16]

Yup. Detroit. 6-9 Cleveland now. Don't call it a come back..lol

Oh man, when I read that all I thought was this lol literally heard LL say it..


https://youtu.be/vimZj8HW0Kg

[Skynyrdoo7]

Sorry LL, 12-6 Indians now...Lol. Time the start the BBQ and get this chicken going. I'm starving

[BG840]

Has anyone been having issues with the info boxes popping up when switching between chars?

[Jofer16]

Sorry LL, 12-6 Indians now...Lol. Time the start the BBQ and get this chicken going. I'm starving

Shit, wish I could join you, getting freeze bugs on battles now, these devs are out to get me.. it all makes sense now haha

Edit: [extreme vitriol] lol

[BG840]

They won't catch you

[Tritium]

Has anyone been having issues with the info boxes popping up when switching between chars?

Yeah, pretty often. It seemingly keeps registering a tap as a long press and bringing up their info boxes. Pretty annoying.


Edit: I'm predicting this week's PVP recap thread will be quite interesting. Bugs galore and messed up matchmaking.

[Aristo4]

Shit, wish I could join you, getting freeze bugs on battles now, these devs are out to get me.. it all makes sense now haha

Edit: might just quit, they tuck tails when I bring up real shit and fuck with my account when I don't. They literally nerfed speed because of me, what a bunch of diaper wearing bitches.

I think you're either trolling, or smoking the same kind another avid forum poster's smoking.:p

[angelkelly]

I just lost a fight because my dumbass team decided to fight each other. Wtf!! :mad:

[Jofer16]

I think you're either trolling, or smoking the same kind another avid forum poster's smoking.:p

Ok NF employee.

[Skynyrdoo7]

I'm afraid to look now. But I'm going in..lol

[Jofer16]

I think you're either trolling, or smoking the same kind another avid forum poster's smoking.:p

And at least fix your name.. Ashoka Tano could whoop your ass lol

[Hypnos]

Ok NF employee.

That's just funny. Lol

[Ignatius92]

Anyone experience this yet? Just as the time was going to expire on the arena store souls for purchase they relocked with another 6 day lock time. The skill shard opened for purchase but the 3 souls relocked...

[Jofer16]

That's just funny. Lol

For real, one would have to be deaf, dumb or blind to miss this lol

[Tritium]

Anyone experience this yet? Just as the time was going to expire on the arena store souls for purchase they relocked with another 6 day lock time. The skill shard opened for purchase but the 3 souls relocked...

Yeah, everything in the arena store is locked right now. This happens every week. Usually takes a couple hours after reset before everything becomes available again. I hope this is on the list of things to be fixed.

[mjmxiii]

Anyone experience this yet? Just as the time was going to expire on the arena store souls for purchase they relocked with another 6 day lock time. The skill shard opened for purchase but the 3 souls relocked...

Everything is locked up for me... N.ever-ending F.uckfest!

Edit: Perfect YouTube for the state of this game!

https://youtu.be/usGQjN87BUA

[Skynyrdoo7]

4 crash's in arena in the little I played tonight. Never had 4 crash's in a week before. What gives?

[Jofer16]

4 crash's in arena in the little I played tonight. Never had 4 crash's in a week before. What gives?

What gives is these guys inherited a big pile of shitty code and don't know how to deal with it. Pretty obvious by now.

[Skynyrdoo7]

Well, I don't know much about codes but I'm gonna sit this shit out tonight. I'm off to the bar. Beer and Bourbon will do just fine

[Nicko]

I had one crash and one self attack - both of course losses.

Things were running smoothly for me most of the week - tonight not so much...

[powerslave74]

Anyone experience this yet? Just as the time was going to expire on the arena store souls for purchase they relocked with another 6 day lock time. The skill shard opened for purchase but the 3 souls relocked...

I was also locked out of buying a skill shard when the arena store reset, but I was finally able to purchase a skill shard from the store a short while ago. This seems to happen every week. Hopefully, this problem will be fixed soon and hopefully your ability to buy whatever it is that you want is fixed by now too!

[Silentknight]

I had one crash and one self attack - both of course losses.

Things were running smoothly for me most of the week - tonight not so much...

Argh! F'n MACLO!!! Sry Gmac!

[CanyptianFit]

So yeah, this just happened.

Reminds me of Excalibur movie..."you have broken what cannot be broken."

So I've stunned the Sentinel Harpy. Nice.

I don't have a prisoner.

[Lord Schmeb]

^^^ Awesome.

[Ezz]

It's true sentinel harpy passive is flawed. I tested her on my defense and I have both stunned and taunted her even when my attacking team did not have a prisoner or blue bat present. No bueno

[Tritium]

So yeah, this just happened.

Reminds me of Excalibur movie..."you have broken what cannot be broken."

So I've stunned the Sentinel Harpy. Nice.

I don't have a prisoner.

My initial response to seeing that was laughing, and then immediately sighing haha. It's a shame how each update introduces great things along with a ton of bugs. I'm on the devs side, but sometimes I can't help but feel empathy for how their programmers/QA team keep falling a bit short with each update. Oh well, I'm still incredibly optimistic for this game long-term, but am truly beginning to wonder if I'm just being naive. :S

[Enti]

For heaven's sake, fix the APMA errors already. Losing two battles without even entering arena is infuriating.

Kutte, enjoy your 40 points xD

[slauki]

not sure if this bug was reported yet:

if you put shells on the warrior troll his shield disappears for some reason. it happneds most of the time and it mostly affects him.
prolly code says 1+1 = 0 ;)

edit:

i will bring it up again:
despite your numbers seems to show a constant rising of avarage points of the players still 151 players are too short to get the warlord 3 reward.
we loose too many points in addition to a really bad matchmaking system...this won't change at all even if we play 2 more months, so something is clearly wrong with the system...
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[Tritium]

i will bring it up again:
despite your numbers seems to show a constant rising of avarage points of the players still 151 players are too short to get the warlord 3 reward.
we loose too many points in addition to a really bad matchmaking system...this won't change at all even if we play 2 more months, so something is clearly wrong with the system...
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Agreed here. I created a suggestion thread about this a while back, but I guess the devs may not have seen it. VP requirements for rewards should be completely dropped (I don't understand why we even have them tbh) and the rewards should be divvied out based on rank alone. For 10 weeks now, there has likely been only 1 single time where 250 people received the warlord III rewards, and that was during the Sparton 300 event. That should be a clue that these VP requirements are unrealistic. Many players are left with the short end of the stick because of this (which isn't good for the game's longevity).

[Sparton_LOTB]

So yeah, this just happened.

Reminds me of Excalibur movie..."you have broken what cannot be broken."

So I've stunned the Sentinel Harpy. Nice.

I don't have a prisoner.


It's true sentinel harpy passive is flawed. I tested her on my defense and I have both stunned and taunted her even when my attacking team did not have a prisoner or blue bat present. No bueno

What did you guys use which stunned the Sentinel Harpy?


not sure if this bug was reported yet:

if you put shells on the warrior troll his shield disappears for some reason. it happneds most of the time and it mostly affects him.
prolly code says 1+1 = 0 ;)

That is a new one; I've passed that along to the team to investigate.

[CanyptianFit]

Officially now attacked 4x more than my attacks, crazy thing is I'm attacking more than usual.

I guess no more late runs.

Done with PVP for a while, until this is addressed....sigh.

Homemlivre, living your pain.

Sparton, I stunned them with explosive talisman set.

[HomemLivre]

Officially now attacked 4x more than my attacks, crazy thing is I'm attacking more than usual.

I guess no more late runs.

Done with PVP for a while, until this is addressed....sigh.

Homemlivre, living your pain.

Sparton, I stunned them with explosive talisman set.

More than 450 times last week... thats make no sense...

[Sparton_LOTB]

Sparton, I stunned them with explosive talisman set.

Thanks for the info; it might be that talisman augments don't account for the passive or something.


Officially now attacked 4x more than my attacks, crazy thing is I'm attacking more than usual.

I guess no more late runs.

Done with PVP for a while, until this is addressed....sigh.

Homemlivre, living your pain.


More than 450 times last week... thats make no sense...

Yeah, the matchmaking tuning seems to have exacerbated the amount of attacks some people would get relative to others, but we were able to pinpoint why that happened and will have a fix in an upcoming update.

[HomemLivre]

Yeah, the matchmaking tuning seems to have exacerbated the amount of attacks some people would get relative to others, but we were able to pinpoint why that happened and will have a fix in an upcoming update.

Tks Sparton, we need this asap.

[RCarter]

How sweet it is to have a nice win streak snapped by taking out the last toon standing on the other team, only to trigger an APMA3 crash.

And by "sweet" I mean: how lame.

Just in case the sarcasm didn't translate in the post.

Any fix for this particularly frustrating crash that seems to be going around? Sure would be nice...

[Tritium]

Hey Sparton, I've noticed that when using an android emulator, MEmu, on my PC to play LOTB that even after server reset at 5pm PST, the LOL dungeons will be locked until it hits 12:01am on the next day. This started routinely happening with the latest update (although I believe it also occasionally happened before) and it has been a bit of an inconvenience as it makes me have to use my phone for farming LOL, thus beating the point of having an emulator to avoid doing exactly that in the first place. Anybody else experiencing this as well?

The emulator I use mimics a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge SM-G935F, so I'm wondering if the players who have that phone are experiencing this issue on their phones as well, or if it's just an emulator-based problem.

[slauki]

Hey Sparton, I've noticed that when using an android emulator, MEmu, on my PC to play LOTB that even after server reset at 5pm PST, the LOL dungeons will be locked until it hits 12:01am on the next day. This started routinely happening with the latest update (although I believe it also occasionally happened before) and it has been a bit of an inconvenience as it makes me have to use my phone for farming LOL, thus beating the point of having an emulator to avoid doing exactly that in the first place. Anybody else experiencing this as well?

The emulator I use mimics a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge SM-G935F, so I'm wondering if the players who have that phone are experiencing this issue on their phones as well, or if it's just an emulator-based problem.

try droid4x, andy or bluestacks. had them all and i stayed at droid4x never had issues, only back in january, when emulators suddenly stopped working after an update ;)

[surfingwithdje]

Just a question about vision eddie: he can remove all beneficial effects, shields and talismants effects even immunity ?? The other characters habilities are blocked by immunity... (viking's loot, assassin corrupt rescuer power move,prisoner's passive, etc...) Is there a bug or is it intentional ? how is that supposed to work please ?
In my opinion, any offensive habilities should overclass all the defensive ones

[Liebhild]

That whole PVP shit is getting more and more ridicioulus with every day.

Bugs? Not sure if all those weired things are bugs, it simply brings more money to NF.

As long as here enough players that continue spending money in this game, there will be no changes.

And I wonder why nobody is upset, that they are fucking up the probabilties, just to make more money.

I only will play till the next downgrade, if no real fixes will come, I am done with this game like many others...

[hold]

Just a question about vision eddie: he can remove all beneficial effects, shields and talismants effects even immunity ?? The other characters habilities are blocked by immunity... (viking's loot, assassin corrupt rescuer power move,prisoner's passive, etc...) Is there a bug or is it intentional ? how is that supposed to work please ?
In my opinion, any offensive habilities should overclass all the defensive ones

Good question. I think by now nobody knows anymore what is intended and what is a bug. Afaik Prisoner's passive block should not trigger with immunity up ... the devs knew about it and released the update anyway making the Gimp stronger than before.

Talismans also don't trigger when the Prisoner's passive block is up (at least in the first round)

[Kutte]

i wish they would simply disable pvp or at least that ridculous ranking until it's out of its alpha phase. there are way to many things that are 100% bugs, many things nobody knows if wai and still too many things that are ... uhm ... not very good by design. nerfing "OP" toons just to replace them for even moar OP ones wasn't also really smart.

Bugs are expectable but if it gets unplayable, and it is unplayable right now, it goes a bit to far.
On the other hand i think it's too early to bring the torches and forks. I still hope they get some real fixes and improvemens in the next update.
A little compensation for all the skillshards (and time and/or money) wasted on broken or obsolete toons wouldn't be a bad idea

[slauki]

two more bugs:

1. please check invisibility talismans, i'm sure they multiproc, tested it several times with multihitters (gunner golden son) and they virtually always triggered.

2. assassin troll didn't steale beneficials from an character with immunity on. not sure if that's intended or a bug.

one suggestion:

a friend if mine suggested some accuracy down passives for some chars. i was really enthusiastic about the idea, because this would finally bring more of the balance
i was searching for so long. this would make tauntfest, freezefest, takefest much bettter, since there is a counter. right now there is no real counter for take, if you get unlucky same for death dog.


as said before some characters are really out of balance now, purple cotd or nomad do insane amount of damage. if paired with a redbat it's simply out of the world. please check that...

[angelkelly]

as said before some characters are really out of balance now, purple cotd or nomad do insane amount of damage. if paired with a redbat it's simply out of the world. please check that...

Did you forget the PRISONER is still op even with this update. While other characters like the NOMAD just got a additional buff added to them for utility reasons . Since you hardly ever see him in the arena as it is. I see the Prisoner in almost ever defense along with angel of fear. Yet you hardly ever see the Nomad.

Why?..

Because he is no real threat especially if you have healers and toons that can cast endurance. Unlike the prisoner who can stun, disable all enemies passive, and deal a great amount of damage with no real counters.


BTW you can get a better deal at using the prisoner and angel of fear together over the nomad...

[R1ck]

Did you forget the PRISONER is still op even with this update. While other characters like the NOMAD just got a additional buff added to them for utility reasons . Since you hardly ever see him in the arena as it is. I see the Prisoner in almost ever defense along with angel of fear. Yet you hardly ever see the Nomad.

Why?..

Because he is no real threat especially if you have healers and toons that can cast endurance. Unlike the prisoner who can stun, disable all enemies passive, and deal a great amount of damage with no real counters.


BTW you can get a better deal at using the prisoner and angel of fear together over the nomad...
Just had a fight vs Carlos team, Visions, AoF, Nomad and SSD. Really heavy hit team. Unfortunately for me he started and Visions removed my toons immunity, after that you can imagine what happened, even when I was using the Prisoner. AoF passive was activated twice, one when me first toon died and another when the Prisoner died, that is a bug. So his team had 4 consecutive turns.

[hold]

Just had a fight vs Carlos team, Visions, AoF, Nomad and SSD. Really heavy hit team. Unfortunately for me he started and Visions removed my toons immunity, after that you can imagine what happened, even when I was using the Prisoner. AoF passive was activated twice, one when me first toon died and another when the Prisoner died, that is a bug. So his team had 4 consecutive turns.

Who won? *scnr* ... the bugs are ridiculous I had AoF triggering his passive out of the blue a few times. There was no Endure on my side or any of that stuff that let's the golden skull appear prematurely.

But

if toon !FallenOver then do not trigger passive

or

if overToonHead == Immunty then no red debuff allowed

seems to be a very diffcult task.

[Nicko]

two more bugs:

1. please check invisibility talismans, i'm sure they multiproc, tested it several times with multihitters (gunner golden son) and they virtually always triggered.

2. assassin troll didn't steale beneficials from an character with immunity on. not sure if that's intended or a bug.

one suggestion:

a friend if mine suggested some accuracy down passives for some chars. i was really enthusiastic about the idea, because this would finally bring more of the balance
i was searching for so long. this would make tauntfest, freezefest, takefest much bettter, since there is a counter. right now there is no real counter for take, if you get unlucky same for death dog.


as said before some characters are really out of balance now, purple cotd or nomad do insane amount of damage. if paired with a redbat it's simply out of the world. please check that...

Blue CR not stealing with Immunity either - and assume same with Viking.

Purple CotD defines Glass cannon. He can be taken down with one or two hits - he only has 11K hit points with his big damage build.

I'm glad they're buffing some of these toons. OP? It's relative. Green was the name of the game for so long because maximum HP was the key to survival on defense. I'd never use a Nomad, Purple CotD, etc. Now I think a little harder and if I see a Nomad may bring a blue toon - something I never did before...

I'm starting to see Nomads in defense which is cool. Some Blue CR too. Still not seeing CotD - red or purple - though I use mine on offense selectively for fun. Much too fragile for a defense.

VE is the new Mummy - anyone who has him is using him for obvious reasons. There's no real defense.

We also have to ask ourselves - what IS a target win percentage? Does one have a right to gripe about any toon if they're winning 90%+ of the time? Rhetorical question.

As always Slauki - your posts are well thought out and I appreciate your quest for balance. But I still maintain the only real "game changer" in this update (bugs not withstanding) was Visions Eddie

[hold]

Blue CR not stealing with Immunity either - and assume same with Viking.

Purple CotD defines Glass cannon. He can be taken down with one or two hits - he only has 11K hit points with his big damage build.

I'm glad they're buffing some of these toons. OP? It's relative. Green was the name of the game for so long because maximum HP was the key to survival on defense. I'd never use a Nomad, Purple CotD, etc. Now I think a little harder and if I see a Nomad may bring a blue toon - something I never did before...

I'm starting to see Nomads in defense which is cool. Some Blue CR too. Still not seeing CotD - red or purple - though I use mine on offense selectively for fun. Much too fragile for a defense.

VE is the new Mummy - anyone who has him is using him for obvious reasons. There's no real defense.

We also have to ask ourselves - what IS a target win percentage? Does one have a right to gripe about any toon if they're winning 90%+ of the time? Rhetorical question.

As always Slauki - your posts are well thought out and I appreciate your quest for balance. But I still maintain the only real "game changer" in this update (bugs not withstanding) was Visions Eddie

Viking definitely cannot loot from toon with Immunity on ... did before now doesn't ... nowadays only loots one positive effect (bug? don't know) ... does also not loot when Prisoner's passive is on him.

Gunner CR is behaving stubborn as well. Whenever you try to steal or loot her Shield for the first time she gets it back straight away. From 2nd steal / loot on it works fine. If you take on a GCR team you might want to think that far ahead -> 1st steal not working so time this one well.

Visions really is the new Mummy with the exception that he is quite elusive. I don't have Prisoner or Visions and with the bugs I need to do more cherry picking than ever.

[slauki]

Did you forget the PRISONER is still op even with this update. While other characters like the NOMAD just got a additional buff added to them for utility reasons . Since you hardly ever see him in the arena as it is. I see the Prisoner in almost ever defense along with angel of fear. Yet you hardly ever see the Nomad.

Why?..

Because he is no real threat especially if you have healers and toons that can cast endurance. Unlike the prisoner who can stun, disable all enemies passive, and deal a great amount of damage with no real counters.


BTW you can get a better deal at using the prisoner and angel of fear together over the nomad...

sorry but i have to disagree here. i said for months that prisoner was OP, but now with the immunity talismans and the changes to his passives, he is just a very powerfull toon, but not OP anymore if you ask me.


Blue CR not stealing with Immunity either - and assume same with Viking.

Purple CotD defines Glass cannon. He can be taken down with one or two hits - he only has 11K hit points with his big damage build.

I'm glad they're buffing some of these toons. OP? It's relative. Green was the name of the game for so long because maximum HP was the key to survival on defense. I'd never use a Nomad, Purple CotD, etc. Now I think a little harder and if I see a Nomad may bring a blue toon - something I never did before...

I'm starting to see Nomads in defense which is cool. Some Blue CR too. Still not seeing CotD - red or purple - though I use mine on offense selectively for fun. Much too fragile for a defense.

VE is the new Mummy - anyone who has him is using him for obvious reasons. There's no real defense.

We also have to ask ourselves - what IS a target win percentage? Does one have a right to gripe about any toon if they're winning 90%+ of the time? Rhetorical question.

As always Slauki - your posts are well thought out and I appreciate your quest for balance. But I still maintain the only real "game changer" in this update (bugs not withstanding) was Visions Eddie

well i agree that visions is the real game changer and i also like to see new toons in the arena. but i just feels that dealing true damage for 15 k and 11k aoe + vanishing some guys it a little to powerfull imo. yeah the green dominance is broken, but: what is the real alternative against the uber hitters? blues are too squichy so as assassin and purple and red.
so the heavy hitter won't have a hard time to take them down even with shells. yeah there might be creative ways to go, if you have the toons, but basicly it's too much if you compare it with other premium characters. we might agree to disagree here, but i would reduce the damage scaling of nomad or at least remove his attack up, something like that :-) regarding the purple cotd, yes he deserves to be good as any 5* cannot talk too much about him, since i only had the possibility to play him a few times, so you might be right here. i just feel that everything above 10-12k damage is too much for most of the toons. especially on offense, when you can take control of the toons. question again, what is the real counter to those strategies? a blue tank would be, but haven't seen him yet...

[hold]

sorry but i have to disagree here. i said for months that prisoner was OP, but now with the immunity talismans and the changes to his passives, he is just a very powerfull toon, but not OP anymore if you ask me.

I agree partly ... but ...

If you are new to the party he is OP as there is no chance at the moment to get Immunity Talismans

[Silentknight]

Purple CotD defines Glass cannon. He can be taken down with one or two hits - he only has 11K hit points with his big damage build.

Dust collector! Fun in PvE,that's bout it

[slauki]

I agree partly ... but ...

If you are new to the party he is OP as there is no chance at the moment to get Immunity Talismans

valid argument...i wonder why they took the talismans out before BNW was released...since they are a must have at the current state of pvp everyone who doesn't have them is basicly screwed...

lets pray for a quick release of BNW, but i have my doubts tbh... at least some kind of easter level or easter even would be nice, almost every game has that...

[HomemLivre]

Just after the release of the Visions I got one and fully sharded him, I think that only me and Enti had the feeling about the Visions potential and now hes finally released!

I ran some test with Visions in attack and I need to say, hes now a 5*. But I have some considerations:
- He has no damage, really, no damage at all;
- His take works pretty fine, avarage removing beneficial effects from 2 targets (RNG hates me so today I removed a maximum of 2, avarage 1 - 0);
- Hes a good tank specially combined with shell talis;
- His AI is improved compared to other Eddies but is not that smart, just a step foward from other Eddies.
Final thoughts: Visions is a very good support, since he has no damage. Hes good (not excelent) in the role he plays.

Imho, there are some dif ways to counter teams with Visions, including Carlos teams (that is awesome btw) and I face no trouble fighting then. Just like Nicko said, the mages have room after this update (and I fully agree with it).

Cheers


Edit: Im just getting mad with crashes...

[Aristo4]

Just after the release of the Visions I got one and fully sharded him, I think that only me and Enti had the feeling about the Visions potential and now hes finally released!

I ran some test with Visions in attack and I need to say, hes now a 5*. But I have some considerations:
- He has no damage, really, no damage at all;
- His take works pretty fine, avarage removing beneficial effects from 2 targets (RNG hates me so today I removed a maximum of 2, avarage 1 - 0);
- Hes a good tank specially combined with shell talis;
- His AI is improved compared to other Eddies but is not that smart, just a step foward from other Eddies.
Final thoughts: Visions is a very good support, since he has no damage. Hes good (not excelent) in the role he plays.

Imho, there are some dif ways to counter teams with Visions, including Carlos teams (that is awesome btw) and I face no trouble fighting then. Just like Nicko said, the mages have room after this update (and I fully agree with it).

Cheers


Edit: Im just getting mad with crashes...

Agreed to most, but maybe RNG hates me more, since 90% of the time he strips all 4, and then I'm pretty hopeless if he had started the turn.
remember those 3-4 holds ? :cool:

[HomemLivre]

Agreed to most, but maybe RNG hates me more, since 90% of the time he strips all 4, and then I'm pretty hopeless if he had started the turn.
remember those 3-4 holds ? :cool:

Yeah! Hahahha, I remmember that! lol

[Enti]

Another bug I noticed:

Death dog's primary attack effect on skill description says blablabla "Chance to get 100% critical strike chance". Well apparently the game decided there is an extra couple % chance as it does not crit every time xD

[surfingwithdje]

I got Vision Eddie months ago (my first 5* character) and i never used it because he does no damages at all... he really sucks in pve ! Since the update he becomes very usefull in pvp... i will see how it works in defense...
I don't think to spend any skillshards for him, he is powerfull just for removing beneficial effects, and let the rest of your team doing the job ;)

[Enti]

I got Vision Eddie months ago (my first 5* character) and i never used it because he does no damages at all... he really sucks in pve ! Since the update he becomes very usefull in pvp... i will see how it works in defense...
I don't think to spend any skillshards for him, he is powerfull just for removing beneficial effects, and let the rest of your team doing the job ;)

He was my very first 5* character too back in mid-July or early August and was really disappointed to see he hits less than a 3*. But then I discovered that I can beat the shit out of the beast with his take skill as it will remove that annoying yellow buff for sure in 2 rounds and then goodbye, hehe

I was really happy to see him become meaningful after almost a year. Finally, worthy for 5* league

[surfingwithdje]

He was my very first 5* character too back in mid-July or early August and was really disappointed to see he hits less than a 3*. But then I discovered that I can beat the shit out of the beast with his take skill as it will remove that annoying yellow buff for sure in 2 rounds and then goodbye, hehe

I was really happy to see him become meaningful after almost a year. Finally, worthy for 5* league
Haha i had the same disapointement :) Thanks for your advice, i never thought to use him vs the beast, it's great ! :)

[Nicko]

Haha i had the same disapointement :) Thanks for your advice, i never thought to use him vs the beast, it's great ! :)

Or just steal it with Viking Eddie ;)

[Enti]

Or just steal it with Viking Eddie ;)

If you have one :D

[Askora]

I'm with AngelKelly about prisoner being OP. Every battle I've fought against him in pvp none of my beneficial talisman effects work if my character has the red X. Tested with freezing, paralysis, energy, invisibilty, void shields. Abilty effects still seem to work as advertise.
When I pull a list with mostly prisoner teams, I know my win ratio is going to take a huge hit. He's even red x'ed my team when he's down and out.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Hey Sparton, I've noticed that when using an android emulator, MEmu, on my PC to play LOTB that even after server reset at 5pm PST, the LOL dungeons will be locked until it hits 12:01am on the next day. This started routinely happening with the latest update (although I believe it also occasionally happened before) and it has been a bit of an inconvenience as it makes me have to use my phone for farming LOL, thus beating the point of having an emulator to avoid doing exactly that in the first place. Anybody else experiencing this as well?

The emulator I use mimics a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge SM-G935F, so I'm wondering if the players who have that phone are experiencing this issue on their phones as well, or if it's just an emulator-based problem.

I'm out of the office sick today, but I'll make a note to check back with our CS team to see if that's been reported by anyone else. First time I've heard of it at least.

However, while we don't condemn the use of emulators, I don't think we officially support them either. There's so many more things that can go wrong with them that we cannot with any certainty ensure the game will cleanly run on variations of those too.


Just a question about vision eddie: he can remove all beneficial effects, shields and talismants effects even immunity ?? The other characters habilities are blocked by immunity... (viking's loot, assassin corrupt rescuer power move,prisoner's passive, etc...) Is there a bug or is it intentional ? how is that supposed to work please ?
In my opinion, any offensive habilities should overclass all the defensive ones


2. assassin troll didn't steale beneficials from an character with immunity on. not sure if that's intended or a bug.

"Removing beneficial effects" and "stealing beneficial effects" are not a status effects, so Immunity should not protect against it. Situations contrary to that are bugs (we know of some weirdness that can happen with Viking Eddie's Loot, for example; slauki's report of the Assassin Troll being another example).


1. please check invisibility talismans, i'm sure they multiproc, tested it several times with multihitters (gunner golden son) and they virtually always triggered.

There's a general issue where talisman augments that trigger status effects for yourself can check to proc multiple times. Because it's not a data issue with the talisman itself, it's not something I can quickly fix, but it is a known issue we hope to get a programmer on soon.


a friend if mine suggested some accuracy down passives for some chars. i was really enthusiastic about the idea, because this would finally bring more of the balance
i was searching for so long. this would make tauntfest, freezefest, takefest much bettter, since there is a counter. right now there is no real counter for take, if you get unlucky same for death dog.

Yeah, I've been wondering how we could make Accuracy Down something that is applicable in new situations; even without relying on passives, they work fairly well if and when you can get the jump on troublesome enemies. While it may not have the potent effect you're describing right now, we do have some new stuff coming that may allow you to do something along those lines in the near-ish future.


As always Slauki - your posts are well thought out and I appreciate your quest for balance. But I still maintain the only real "game changer" in this update (bugs not withstanding) was Visions Eddie

I think most people would agree with you there (that's kinda been my thoughts as well), but we've had people explore new high-success rate strategies, and even you yourself have tried some new characters on offense, so as long as new stuff is explored, I'd say that's positive in it's own right.

(But yes, bugs notwithstanding. A major focus of the impending update is fixing some of those bugs at least.)

[Nicko]

we've had people explore new high-success rate strategies, and even you yourself have tried some new characters on offense, so as long as new stuff is explored, I'd say that's positive in it's own right.

(But yes, bugs notwithstanding. A major focus of the impending update is fixing some of those bugs at least.)

I agree. While the changes really beefed up some characters - it made them true 4 and 5* and usable in PvP - and that's only a good thing.

I go back to the question I asked Slauki before - what is a good target offensive percentage? And even defensive percentage.

We're supposed to lose here and there. So as long as there's not a character - or a strategy ( like my defense with the multi-proc freeze and thief talismans in beta) that is skewing things too far, I'm all for making some of these characters stars.

Not to mention slicing a SSD or Pharaoh Eddie with a Nomad is just plain fun...

[Tritium]

I'm out of the office sick today, but I'll make a note to check back with our CS team to see if that's been reported by anyone else. First time I've heard of it at least.

However, while we don't condemn the use of emulators, I don't think we officially support them either. There's so many more things that can go wrong with them that we cannot with any certainty ensure the game will cleanly run on variations of those too.


I think most people would agree with you there (that's kinda been my thoughts as well), but we've had people explore new high-success rate strategies, and even you yourself have tried some new characters on offense, so as long as new stuff is explored, I'd say that's positive in it's own right.

(But yes, bugs notwithstanding. A major focus of the impending update is fixing some of those bugs at least.)

By all means, emulators should not be your first priority. I completely understand there. Thank you for your response on the matter!

I agree with the second part I quoted as well! I've tried a fun new defense with my Cyborg that I would not have been able to effectively use before the most recent update ─ and this is my most effective defense yet! When the Prisoner bugs get ironed out, it will only make even more fun combos viable when the immunity talis work against the gimp.

[gmac]

By all means, emulators should not be your first priority. I completely understand there. Thank you for your response on the matter!

Well, I am trying that emulator you guys were talking about, and the game sure is faster on it than on my phone.
We should talk about emulators, at least for me they help in speed. Wierd to play, but I will figure it out, eventually.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Not to mention slicing a SSD or Pharaoh Eddie with a Nomad is just plain fun...

Yeah, holy shit, I did not appreciate a 12k after Reflect Shield on my SSD. Especially with their start-of-battle buff, Nomads hit damn hard.

[Tritium]

Yeah, I've seen more people using Nomads and assassin/warrior COTDs after this update. They're incredibly high risk/reward toons to use as they're toast if you go first, but they can wipe you out if you go second. Makes me want a warrior troll even more!

[Kutte]

I go back to the question I asked Slauki before - what is a good target offensive percentage? And even defensive percentage.
since it got ignored, i'll give you my own mustard (yay denglisch :)):
My offensive percentage would be n ear 100%, my defense 0%. i'm not using anything special as offense. No visions/Prisoner/nomad/blue freeze machine, no stunner/freezer/blinder, no bat/troll, no cherrypicking. I used to get defense points by users who crashed. I also only loose if speed issues kick in + i lost two games to a grim reaper who killed one toon, turned one red while prisoner killed that poor red guy and red bat triggered an extra turn. and i'm totally fine with that as long as there is some diversity - which you'll only find in lower ranks.

because of "match making" and "AI" i loose more than double the points i'm able to get and on the lower ranks my defense went up to 13%

i don't know what a "good" target percentage would be, but it is no way >90%/<20%

[Liebhild]

Hey Sparton,

I ask again: why are you manipulating the probability and how strong?

That you are manipulating them is pretty clear.

[slauki]

okay, i have gathered a stong indicator for the OPness of Visions Eddie

current top 10 players

1. Enti (Visions on defense)
2. Nicko (Visions on defense)
3. Bradata (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it but don't know it for sure )
4. Gmac (Visions on defense)
5. Donslauki (Visions on defense)
6. Kamuz (Visions on defense)
7. Ringe (No Visions Eddie but he would use him, since i asked my belgrade buddy, but unfortunatly he doesn't have one)
8. Jofer (Visuins on defense)
9. Silentknight (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it, but don't know it for sure )
10.Homemlivre (Visions on defense)

Nothing more to say i think, everyone who thinks visions is in order is clearly wrong IMO.... the new mummy is born and he is killing the game again,since he is almost impossible to counter, if enemy goes first and visions acts early.

Some Ways to bring in more balance in:

1. Drasticly reduce take %
2. Let him remove ONE random buff aoe 50% of the time
3. Let him remove beneficials up to 2 random enemies
4. some kind of possibilities to make beneficials non removable
5. change shield passive so that more than one character cannot be frozen/taunted/stunned
6. Some possibilities for accuracy debuff on whole enemy team

EDIT: i bet most of them have alsso the sentonel soulless demon on defense... but haven't checked that...

[Enti]

okay, i have gathered a stong indicator for OPness of Visions Eddie

current top 10 players

1. Enti (Visions on defense)
2. Nicko (Visions on defense)
3. Bradata (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it but don't know it for sure )
4. Gmac (Visions on defense)
5. Donslauki (Visions on defense)
6. Kamuz (Visions on defense)
7. Ringe (No Visions Eddie but he would use him, since i asked my belgrade buddy, but unfortunatly he doesn't have one)
8. Jofer (Visuins on defense)
9. Silentknight (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it, but don't know it for sure )
10.Homemlivre (Visions on defense)

Nothing more to say i think, everyone who thinks visions is in order is clearly wrong IMO.... the new mummy is born and he is killing the game again,since he is al,most impossible to counter, if emeny goes first and visions acts early.

Some Ways to bring in more balance in:

1. Drasticly reduce take %
2. Let him remove one random buff aoe 50% od the time
3. Let him reduce up to 2 on random enemies
4. some kind of possibilities to make beneficials non removable
5. change shield passive so that more than one caracter cannot be frozen/taunted/stunned
6. Some possibilities for accuracy debuff in whole enemy team

The new scapegoat after Prisoner... Though I agree with you to an extent, this path will be a neverending one if we continuously adjust the current top gun.

Hint: try fighting fire with fire, you'd be amazed how efficient that is (if you have the means)

[slauki]

The new scapegoat after Prisoner... Though I agree with you to an extent, this path will be a neverending one if we continuously adjust the current top gun.

Hint: try fighting fire with fire, you'd be amazed how efficient that is (if you have the means)

road to perfection is never ending :D but yeah sure there will be other toons after that, but if almost all people use him (who have him) somethings clearly wrong. but the situation is much better than with prisoners, tauntfest and freezefest, since visons don't cause problems 100% of the time...
so we are getting closer to perfection in terms of balance...but there is a looooooooong way to go ;)

yeah there are strategies to minimize the risk so skill matters as always but i bet your hold% is going through the roof (so as mine), so people have clearly problems with fire/vs fire, which is okay but also a sign very few if any counterstrategies... that's always my argument ever strategy has to have a counter.
at least i'm happy to have him/use him, so noone can bring the argument "OP toons are these ones you don't have"...

[R1ck]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

[Ringe666-7406]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

I think that if I had F'n VE my attack would jump from 98-99% (two loses and one crash so far) to 100%. But with totally different team than I use atm. If SoL had few more k of HP or a green slot I'd never need VE though.

[R1ck]

SoL is amazing, also hope he has a green slot.

[angelkelly]

okay, i have gathered a stong indicator for the OPness of Visions Eddie

current top 10 players

1. Enti (Visions on defense)
2. Nicko (Visions on defense)
3. Bradata (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it but don't know it for sure )
4. Gmac (Visions on defense)
5. Donslauki (Visions on defense)
6. Kamuz (Visions on defense)
7. Ringe (No Visions Eddie but he would use him, since i asked my belgrade buddy, but unfortunatly he doesn't have one)
8. Jofer (Visuins on defense)
9. Silentknight (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it, but don't know it for sure )
10.Homemlivre (Visions on defense)

Nothing more to say i think, everyone who thinks visions is in order is clearly wrong IMO.... the new mummy is born and he is killing the game again,since he is almost impossible to counter, if enemy goes first and visions acts early.

Some Ways to bring in more balance in:

1. Drasticly reduce take %
2. Let him remove ONE random buff aoe 50% of the time
3. Let him remove beneficials up to 2 random enemies
4. some kind of possibilities to make beneficials non removable
5. change shield passive so that more than one character cannot be frozen/taunted/stunned
6. Some possibilities for accuracy debuff on whole enemy team

EDIT: i bet most of them have alsso the sentonel soulless demon on defense... but haven't checked that...


I agree with slauki. Vision eddie does seem to be alot op now. Esp if he's paired with the Nomad, Angel of fear, Prisoner and SSD. Meaning over kill....

Edit: To answer your question most of them do have SSD on their defense.. Who doesn't?..

[Enti]

"Ever had a conversation
That you realise you've had before
Isn't it strange

Have you ever talked to someone
And you feel you know what's coming next
It feels pre-arranged"

[HomemLivre]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

I can only think about two things:
1 - Your incredibly out of luck and RNG are always against you
or
2 - You are lying couse you dont realised how to fight against visions teams.

As I said before with numerous tests Im running with Visions:
Attack tests (100 games):
- Take Proc: 0 toon (9%) / 1 toon (24%) / 2 toons (55%) / 3 toons (8%) / 4 toons (4%)

That was my attack results using take against full buffed teams.

Defense tests:
Removed 2 buffs almost every game but I can say for sure couse some players use him with the Prisoner.


My oppinion: hes completely balanced when the only use he have is a support with NO damage at all.

If you say that a toon without any buff is UNDEFENDED your playing incredibly wrong and should revise which toons and talis your using.
Carlos made a nice combo with Visions, Nomad and AoF but I face LOTS more trouble when facing the same team but with GRE.


About the ranking points and the broken list:
- Im really disappointed with this, talk with some high tier players and I simply received more then 3x the number of attacks they received... Im back in time and I really dont want it (the patch before this was awesome in this point).
- Point system need to be revised asap... Loose 20 points and win 12 is ridiculous, mainly to players like me that no matter which tier are ALWAYS in everyones list... Im getting sick of it.

[R1ck]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

[HomemLivre]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

Feels bad about your bad RNG...
I cant even remmember your name in my attack list couse I cant see more then 10 players and every log have more than 20 attacks, so...

And a thing that I dont understand about what you said, If theres no problem facing Visions team, wheres the abuse? I really dont get it... why people will not revenge a team with Visions if theres no problem to face it?

[Enti]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

Why would it be an abuse if available to use VE after 9 months of being incapable to do anything, then now fixed?
Obviously if you have a toon worthy to have on your teams, you will use it.

I must have abused this at the early phase of the game when I removed The Beast's yellow buff then - or should it count as a strategy and a well-thought fight instead?

[R1ck]

Well english is not my mother tongue, so apologies for that phrase, don't want to create any kind of problems here. Just still think that Take is too OP.

[Enti]

Well english is not my mother tongue, so apologies for that phrase, don't want to create any kind of problems here. Just still think that Take is too OP.

Okay, makes sense now, sorry if I sounded harsh on you. I think you meant to say the excessive use of VE is resembling how strong he is.
But as I wrote earlier, this has been going on with Gimp until it got "balanced", now the same starts with Visions, and the cycle will never end. With a pool of ~150 characters for use, true balance will never be achieved, and especially with different native tiers the characters have, I do not think it never should be. This is why we have 5* characters, to wreck others.

Nomad hits 10-12k through a 50% def shield, imo that's extremely powerful too, and he has way more survivability than Assassin CotD, which I expected to be a death dealer, but soon heard from others that he is a glass cannon.

And Gunner CotD is a damn annoying little brat on defense xDDD

[angelkelly]

Despite Vision Eddie being weak, it doesn't really matter esp if you have the nomad, angel of fear , and the prisoner on your team. Perfect duo..

[Enti]

I know this is somewhat other topic, but an Eddie only does not make your team win... This was my experience with the Prisoner - I jumped to PvP with an awful attack team containing Gimp and had around 70% win rate. Then changed the weak links to proper characters and immediately felt the effect.

In short, as others described already, you must pick 4 characters that work the best together, in synergy, to achieve best result.

I'm even considering dumping my Prisoner from def team and find a replacement for an optimal band, but I don't know how they will stand against the two widely used Angels, so I am hesitating :D

[Sparton_LOTB]

Just a heads up to everyone that a new update has been released. It should appear in your app store soon!

This update should be backwards compatible with the current server data, but it does mean that some of the fixes for that update won't really be live until both that update is available to everyone and we're able to push the updated server data. I'll post updated patch notes once that has happened (targeting within the next few hours).

[Bradata]

I see now that everybody is talking about Vision Eddie that is OP. Common, guys!!!!!!
The whole idea of having a defense is to HOLD the attacks and to achieve this you need good set up and toons. I see many are talking about balance... what balance, there is no balance in this. Top players get 12 points and lose 20 on defeat Whaaaaat? Most of the guys complaining here are the once that have broken my defense, so I really don't understand their problem with certain defense teams! I know everybody wants to win every time on attack but that would not happen period. If you want balance, I'll give you balance option: You should have same points on loss and on win no matter what rank you're in at the moment but stop saying that this or that toons are OP and trying to "balance" them.
I don't have AoF, Magus General, Prisoner, Nomad, Samurai Eddie and I can go on with the list of all the toons that most of the complainers have and I don't but that's not gonna be me.
Just play the damn game or don't but stop saying that some toon is OP and try to change it only because you don't have it yourself of for whatever other reason.
And just so you know my defense % was never more than 20% ever.
I know I'm gonna piss off many guys but I really don't like cry babies like Sholinwhatever was his name, he was a big one!

[Bradata]

Just a heads up to everyone that a new update has been released. It should appear in your app store soon!

This update should be backwards compatible with the current server data, but it does mean that some of the fixes for that update won't really be live until both that update is available to everyone and we're able to push the updated server data. I'll post updated patch notes once that has happened (targeting within the next few hours).

BNW ;) may be!

[Aristo4]

Just a heads up to everyone that a new update has been released. It should appear in your app store soon!

This update should be backwards compatible with the current server data, but it does mean that some of the fixes for that update won't really be live until both that update is available to everyone and we're able to push the updated server data. I'll post updated patch notes once that has happened (targeting within the next few hours).

As a dev or close to devs I was accused to be I already got the (unfinished)update it seems :p

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[gmac]

As a dev or close to devs I was accused to be I already got the (unfinished)update it seems :p



Got into the new Arena too.

Angel of Fear is on cocaine at this new scenario, flapping it's wigs like a Hummingbird.

[BillLion]

Got into the new Arena too.

Angel of Fear is on cocaine at this new scenario, flapping it's wigs like a Hummingbird.

Ha, just saw that. Are the visuals the only change? No Mayan Eddie, etc.?

[gmac]

Ha, just saw that. Are the visuals the only change? No Mayan Eddie, etc.?

Only thing I could notice thus far.

BNW closed, no shaman souls at store too at the moment.

But it was heavy update, took a few minutes do get downloaded. (I'm hopeful, as always)

I just checked, Angel of Fear and Angel of Strife are also on cocaine mode.

EDIT: Shaman is lv 5 toon

[mjmxiii]

Got the Mayan PvP stage too... game froze as I hit enter for a second go round. BNW would be very nice but not gonna get my hopes up. Will be happy with no bugs this time!

Edit: would be cool if arena backgrounds started changing randomly though.

[Bradata]

Just a heads up to everyone that a new update has been released. It should appear in your app store soon!

This update should be backwards compatible with the current server data, but it does mean that some of the fixes for that update won't really be live until both that update is available to everyone and we're able to push the updated server data. I'll post updated patch notes once that has happened (targeting within the next few hours).

Installed the new update and now can't start the game :(

[CanyptianFit]

Sacrificial Souls are now available...standard "greater chance to get Shaman Eddie" verbiage.

Shaman Eddie is a Warrior Class, 5*.

Mayan arena is cool.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Installed the new update and now can't start the game :(

Proooobably tried just as the server was being deployed (there's approx 1-2 minutes of downtime when that happens).


Sacrificial Souls are now available...standard "greater chance to get Shaman Eddie" verbiage.

Shaman Eddie is a Warrior Class, 5*.

Mayan arena is cool.

Yup, everything is now live for everyone! Check it out in the new patch notes (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5410).

Closing this thread so we don't have confusing convos everywhere.