How exactly PRISONER's passive works?

[Kamuz24z]

In the game his passive says that inflict passive disable to all enemies on the first turn. 50% chance to disable passives on every subsequent turn.
My question is that also include the effects from talismans in the first turn like paralysis, freezing, burning etc, I noticed that after the first turn effects from talismans start working is that how prisoner works now or there is a bug.

[blackbolt]

I was wondering the same, I've noticed that freeze, stun & Co tends to never trigger on the first turn when the prisoner passive is active (obviously immunity is not present). I thought that maybe was just a bad RNG thing, but I'm not sure right now.

[Askora]

That's what I've been seeing. Right after the update, I was facing nothing but prisoner teams. My win ratio went to shit. So, the fix for the prisoner really just ended up being a major buff for him.

[Kamuz24z]

if these is the new thing I really want the prisoner more than ever there is no need for immunity in the first turn

[Askora]

Pretty much what it seems like. I faced probably a dozen or more trooper teams right after the update and don't think anything worked right if the red X of death was on my characters. I went from being able to clear a list to being lucky if I could clear half of it. So far been lucky this week and not faced many prisoners.

[Jofer16]

Wouldn't know, I moved away from rng shots in the dark (crowd control freeze/stun/etc) with the introduction of immunity talismans. Don't chase the dead meta.

[Silentknight]

Wouldn't know, I moved away from rng shots in the dark (crowd control freeze/stun/etc) with the introduction of immunity talismans. Don't chase the dead meta.

Lol,tunnel vision,can't see the forest for the trees. Does anyone actually read Spartons posts??? Not gunna spell it out 4 u but I believe it was slauki who pointed out the only bug as far as the prisoner is concerned,get with the program!

[Jofer16]

Lol,tunnel vision,can't see the forest for the trees.

+1. perfect response lol

[Askora]

I've got some immunity talismans, just barely got them leveled up and haven't really had the opportunity to test them out. It's a little slower going for us old folks.

[Silentknight]

I've got some immunity talismans, just barely got them leveled up and haven't really had the opportunity to test them out. It's a little slower going for us old folks.

Lmao,I'd be willing to bet I have a few years on u! Immunity works great while only sacrificing approx. 1000hp

[Askora]

Maybe, I'm still young at heart though. :) Only hit the half century mark this year.

[Silentknight]

Maybe, I'm still young at heart though. :) Only hit the half century mark this year.

Glad we didn't bet then,got me by 2 yrs. Oldest person in the world died yesterday...117,WOW!!! Last person alive that was born in the 1800's,Nov.1899. Again,WOW! I'll be lucky to see half that!

[CanyptianFit]

Wow, I've got 3 years til the half century mark.

We is old.

[Askora]

I know that feeling. And, wouldn't have been a fair bet. Think I recall seeing a post where you'd said something about your age.

Yep, the old timers club. Haha Means I got to see Maiden on their Powerslave and Somewhere in Time tours though. So, I'm good with it.

[Silentknight]

Maiden...spans decades! Guess they're just that good!

[Tritium]

I think it's awesome how the band has such a wide array of fans, not to mention how many of them play this game as well! How many bands can boast having that? ;)

Also, man, you guys make me feel incredibly young haha. I'll only just be graduating uni in 1 month. :p Although, some of my peers are so jaded that they're pretty much old at heart (and not in the good kind of way like old souls). The only thing that matters is how young someone is at heart!

[CanyptianFit]

^^^ well said tritium!

[blade685]

i lose so many battle at first round because of him if i don't begin and can't do anything if it's a big damage team ....:(

[hold]

i lose so many battle at first round because of him if i don't begin and can't do anything if it's a big damage team ....:(

The Prisoner's passive is bugged as f*ck at the moment. You have a chance going second if you go in with a team that has Immunity and Shell talismans on every toon. They all stay playable and they all suffer half damage. You also need something that gives you team immunity in your turn ... like a Red Pyro or a Green Corrupt Droid. Also a strong healer in the team is a must.

This strategy against a Visions Eddie works only with a lot of luck. He can take down your buffs even with immunity on. He and the Prisoner (1st turn) ignore immunity. Everything else does not work anymore (Energy Talismans do not trigger e.g.)

Personally I try to avoid the combination Prisoner & Visions as this is way too frustrating and risky.

[blade685]

The Prisoner's passive is bugged as f*ck at the moment. You have a chance going second if you go in with a team that has Immunity and Shell talismans on every toon. They all stay playable and they all suffer half damage. You also need something that gives you team immunity in your turn ... like a Red Pyro or a Green Corrupt Droid. Also a strong healer in the team is a must.

This strategy against a Visions Eddie works only with a lot of luck. He can take down your buffs even with immunity on. He and the Prisoner (1st turn) ignore immunity. Everything else does not work anymore (Energy Talismans do not trigger e.g.)

Personally I try to avoid the combination Prisoner & Visions as this is way too frustrating and risky.it's so frustrating, the game change and i never have the good toons, before i want prisoner vicking and AOP, AOP is nerf, i loot him...
And never had op players : prisoner and vision.
I always can't do seriously pvp :(

[hold]

it's so frustrating, the game change and i never have the good toons, before i want prisoner vicking and AOP, AOP is nerf, i loot him...
And never had op players : prisoner and vision.
I always can't do seriously pvp :(

Use your Red Pyro with Shell, Immunity and two purple. So he stays live to cast Defense. Use your ABB with Shell, Immunity and two Health or something. So he can heal. SSD with Immunity and Shell and maybe a bloody Mummy with Immunity and Shell (for Cleanse). In case the other team has a lot of Red in their defense you can try you Blue Soldier with Immunity. If yo going second that is Defense from Red Pyro (Immunity / 5 points) and Shield from Blue Soldier (4 points)

It is still risky against Prisoner teams but the Defense of the Red Pyro certainly helps a lot. Sometimes you will have long fights to grind the others down one by one so don't expect wins in the 2nd round. Quite often I have very close wins and you need a bit of luck that's for sure. Not much else you can do at the moment.

[blade685]

Use your Red Pyro with Shell, Immunity and two purple. So he stays live to cast Defense. Use your ABB with Shell, Immunity and two Health or something. So he can heal. SSD with Immunity and Shell and maybe a bloody Mummy with Immunity and Shell (for Cleanse). In case the other team has a lot of Red in their defense you can try you Blue Soldier with Immunity. If yo going second that is Defense from Red Pyro (Immunity / 5 points) and Shield from Blue Soldier (4 points)

It is still risky against Prisoner teams but the Defense of the Red Pyro certainly helps a lot. Sometimes you will have long fights to grind the others down one by one so don't expect wins in the 2nd round. Quite often I have very close wins and you need a bit of luck that's for sure. Not much else you can do at the moment.i made some change before your message, my red pyro is like you said, It is useless to have 4 Shield talismans on SSD no?it's better to have 2 heal and 2 shield no?
i wait a long time to have red troll and blue bat (finally yesterday) and seems to be useless VS good team now :(
Upgrade shard on Mummy really worth the cost?

[hold]

i made some change before your message, my red pyro is like you said, It is useless to have 4 Shield talismans on SSD no?it's better to have 2 heal and 2 shield no?

Well useless depends ... your SSD is more durable but ... it really depends on the team you are going against.

I sometimes use my DM with 2 immunity as a "bait" and have 2 strong AoE hitters and a suitable Eddie all with immunity and/or shell. The AI quite often concentrates on the DM and I can trick it into doing something stupid. Most of the time I loose the DM in the fight but by that time the enemy team is so weak that I can finish them with three toons. That does not only hold true for the DM also for other toons I use as bait.

I cannot give you a dead certain strategy as there are too many options. I just know that my attack rate is over 90% with putting Immunity and Shell on my toons and avoid certain combinations. Most of the time it does not matter if I go 1st or 2nd.

I personally would not put shards on the Mummy but it is a very durable Eddie. Troll is still fine when the passive is usable - the shields in the beginning are quite strong. Could shield your GRE for the first round - useless against Prisoner teams at the momen for sure.

[Tritium]

I have no problems with Visions Eddie teams. I've noticed that he's only truly a problem if you go in using a team that heavily relies on buffs. So to counteract that, I go in with tough red toons and usually save VE for last because his basic is so pathetic. Just concentrate on the opposing teams toughest hitters and save VE for last since he is a true tank. If you focus VE first, you'll likely loose.

[hold]

I have no problems with Visions Eddie teams. I've noticed that he's only truly a problem if you go in using a team that heavily relies on buffs. So to counteract that, I go in with tough red toons and usually save VE for last because his basic is so pathetic. Just concentrate on the opposing teams toughest hitters and save VE for last since he is a true tank. If you focus VE first, you'll likely loose.

I would do that but I don't have a Nomad or an AoF. I might have a look into the Warrior CoD if that is an option - maybe the purple Troll that is on the bench ...