Sacrafice Reward Breakpoints

[bort]

I'd like to try to get a concise list of essence requirements for each of the tiers, and I figure the best way to go about it is crowdsourcing the values.

If you could post the amount of essence you sacrificed and how many rewards you got, we might be able to get enough to start a chart. I'm willing to bet that the determining amount is a function vs hard-coded arbitrary amounts, but we won't be able to determine that until we get enough examples.

I'll update this list as I get replies

Tier 1 (100-499)

1:
2:
3: 300
Tier 2 (500-1999)

2: 1000
3: 1500
Tier 3 (2000-5999)

2: 4083, 5016, 5999
3: Does not drop
Tier 4 (6000-8999)

1: 8082
2:
3:
Tier 5 (9000-19999)

2:
3:
Tier 6 (20000-49999)

1: 35401
2:
3:
Tier 7 (50000+)

2:
3:

[Coletrain]

I don't have any values at this moment, but in my experience it's as simple as doubling/tripling the lowest number of that sacrifice tier. For example, if tier 1 starts at 100, you'll get 1 reward at 100, 2 rewards at 200, 3 rewards at 300, and so on until you hit the next tier. Tier 2 would get you 1 reward at 500, 2 rewards at 1,000, 3 rewards at 1,500. Extrapolate that out and you have you reward breakdown.

[T-Man]

Some work has been done on this.

forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5102-Sacrifice-101-(Help-Me-Complete)

[bort]

Some work has been done on this.

forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5102-Sacrifice-101-(Help-Me-Complete)

Yes, I saw that thread, but the generic response was "triple the minimum", and that doesn't hold past tier 2, and i'm looking for some more concrete numbers.


I don't have any values at this moment, but in my experience it's as simple as doubling/tripling the lowest number of that sacrifice tier. For example, if tier 1 starts at 100, you'll get 1 reward at 100, 2 rewards at 200, 3 rewards at 300, and so on until you hit the next tier. Tier 2 would get you 1 reward at 500, 2 rewards at 1,000, 3 rewards at 1,500. Extrapolate that out and you have you reward breakdown.

That only works for the first two tiers though - the next tiers are not as clear, since doubling or tripling the minimum would take you into the next tier.

[T-Man]

Yes, I saw that thread, but the generic response was "triple the minimum", and that doesn't hold past tier 2, and i'm looking for some more concrete numbers.



That only works for the first two tiers though - the next tiers are not as clear, since doubling or tripling the minimum would take you into the next tier.

Exactly, and I asked the same in that thread. I'm with you, would be nice to know the exact numbers for higher tiers.

[Kardas]

Cool idea. Is it confirmed that more Essence in a Tier definitely gives extra rewards? I'm inclined to think the amount of rewards you receive is RNG-related. Feel free to correct me on this though.

[T-Man]

Cool idea. Is it confirmed that more Essence in a Tier definitely gives extra rewards? I'm inclined to think the amount of rewards you receive is RNG-related. Feel free to correct me on this though.

It is confirmed for tiers 1-2. Beyond that is the question.

[bort]

I just sacrificed 300 even and got a single reward*. 303 has given me 3 rewards every time. The only difference I can see is that for 303
I'm doing 10 chars each time, but the 300 I did not.

I also did a Tier VI sacrifice for 24425 essence, 10 chars. I got one reward. Thankfully it was 20 G/A souls...7 of which were desert golems. ffs

*edit: I'm pretty sure I screwed that up and only had 200 essence or something.

[Blacksteel]

I just sacrificed 300 even and got a single reward. 303 has given me 3 rewards every time. The only difference I can see is that for 303
I'm doing 10 chars each time, but the 300 I did not.

I also did a Tier VI sacrifice for 24425 essence, 10 chars. I got one reward. Thankfully it was 20 G/A souls...7 of which were desert golems. ffs

Bort: Wow I got these awesome G/A souls!!!
NF:
3387

This happens all too often with any type of soul definitely needs improvement.

[T-Man]

I just sacrificed 300 even and got a single reward. 303 has given me 3 rewards every time. The only difference I can see is that for 303
I'm doing 10 chars each time, but the 300 I did not.

I also did a Tier VI sacrifice for 24425 essence, 10 chars. I got one reward. Thankfully it was 20 G/A souls...7 of which were desert golems. ffs

Weird. 300 always gives me 3 rewards. I verified it again this morning. 300 essence exactly gave 3 rewards. Number of toons sacrificed hasn't changed that from my experience.

[T-Man]

Bort: Wow I got these awesome G/A souls!!!
NF:
3387

This happens all too often with any type of soul definitely needs improvement.

This isn't really funny, but your post cracked me up. Lol

[Sidney]

I finally saved up enough to do the Ultimate Sacrifice VII and ended up with only 5 skill shards. I was disappointed because I know I've pulled 4 or 5 skill shards on V and VI in the past... Plus some souls. Not sure if it was a bug, but it seems when you are dropping that much essence the reward should be much more... Or maybe I'm just greedy... :-)

[Amarthir]

So after crunching numbers and comparing toons, I figured out that the highest amount of essence you can get from one toon is from a fully shared Rainmaker Eddie, capping out at 24,050 essence, enough for an exalted sacrifice. Now, my next question is totally insane, I doubt anyone will be able to reach this in the foreseeable future, but imagine 10 maxed out Rainmakers, that must mean the highest amount of sacrifice points is 240,050. Would you go that high if it meant getting 4 rewards from tier 7? And filling the purple ring no doubt more than once over.

[Blacksteel]

So after crunching numbers and comparing toons, I figured out that the highest amount of essence you can get from one toon is from a fully shared Rainmaker Eddie, capping out at 24,050 essence, enough for an exalted sacrifice. Now, my next question is totally insane, I doubt anyone will be able to reach this in the foreseeable future, but imagine 10 maxed out Rainmakers, that must mean the highest amount of sacrifice points is 240,050. Would you go that high if it meant getting 4 rewards from tier 7? And filling the purple ring no doubt more than once over.

Wow that thing about sacrificing 10 fully sharded rainmakers just gave me the chills, seriously though, there is an achievement that says 'Achieve a Ultimate sacrifice or Better', so even when it's not shown there it could be something else in the great unknown and beyond that... who knows...
But nah, I don't think I would ever go that high RNGesus is not showing much love these days, maybe if I had the chars I would go over 7 once to bear testimony (which will probably result in 7 skill shards and 3 'Legendary' souls), the rest would probably be better used in tier 5-6 sacrifices.

[Blacksteel]

This isn't really funny, but your post cracked me up. Lol

Well, at least some enjoyment is coming out of this madness, Piece of Mind Eddie would be proud, actually there should be a Piece of Mind Eddie achievement reward for this sort of thing.

[Askora]

I did a tier 6 that was well over 40,000 essence. Did not get double rewards for the effort. I'm not sure what the breakpoint is where you don't receive a double reward for making double the minimum essence, but I would say it's at tier 5 or lower. Had I known then what I know now, I would have either gone for the tier 7 or made two tier 6 sacrifices and then only made just enough to put me into that tier.

[Amarthir]

I managed to pull Cyborg Eddie today from a tier 6 though. It's a bit of a shame you wouldn't get 2 from doubling 6 or 7 though. I think it would make people feel alot better instead of getting a 2 skill shard rip off lol. I always do petty sacrifices just because you have a good chance of getting another rare soul from up to 4 rewards.

[bort]

I've got another tier VI ready, but I'm still at the 24k essence area, which only gives one reward. I'm going to try to get 30k and see if that gets two. Will update friday when I confirm

[Askora]

I've got another tier VI ready, but I'm still at the 24k essence area, which only gives one reward. I'm going to try to get 30k and see if that gets two. Will update friday when I confirm


I did a tier 6 that was well over 40,000 essence. Did not get double rewards for the effort. I'm not sure what the breakpoint is where you don't receive a double reward for making double the minimum essence, but I would say it's at tier 5 or lower. Had I known then what I know now, I would have either gone for the tier 7 or made two tier 6 sacrifices and then only made just enough to put me into that tier.

Your more than welcome to try your luck, but I tried it and only got one reward of 15 g/a souls. Remember you have to double the base essence for the tier. Tier 6 is 40,000 to double.

[bort]

Your more than welcome to try your luck, but I tried it and only got one reward of 15 g/a souls. Remember you have to double the base essence for the tier. Tier 6 is 40,000 to double.

That logic doesn't hold - there are tiers where double the minimum puts it over or close to over the top end requirement.

I'd guess that under 50% is one reward, under ~66% is two, and over 66% is three. Thats *if* its function based and not a hard coded value. If my guess is correct, the amount you'd need for two rewards on a tier VI sacrifice would be >35k. I can already hit 31k, so I should be able to confirm this by friday.

[Askora]

That logic doesn't hold - there are tiers where double the minimum puts it over or close to over the top end requirement.

I'd guess that under 50% is one reward, under ~66% is two, and over 66% is three. Thats *if* its function based and not a hard coded value. If my guess is correct, the amount you'd need for two rewards on a tier VI sacrifice would be >35k. I can already hit 31k, so I should be able to confirm this by friday.

Well good luck with that. Trying to save you some grief. Your missing the fact that I did a tier 6 sacrifice with over 40,000 essence and got one reward of 15 rare g/a souls. If you're lucky you'll get that or the 50 rare souls, if not then you get 2 skill shards for the effort.

Not sure why you think that the numbers work that way. Try it on tier one. 100 essence gets you one reward, break 200 and you get 2 rewards, break 300 and you get 3, break 400 and you get 4, at 500 you hit tier 2.

[bort]

Well good luck with that. Trying to save you some grief. Your missing the fact that I did a tier 6 sacrifice with over 40,000 essence and got one reward of 15 rare g/a souls. If you're lucky you'll get that or the 50 rare souls, if not then you get 2 skill shards for the effort.


Yes, I am missing information that I did not have.


Not sure why you think that the numbers work that way. Try it on tier one. 100 essence gets you one reward, break 200 and you get 2 rewards, break 300 and you get 3, break 400 and you get 4, at 500 you hit tier 2.

Well, when you start multiplying the bottom requirement and apply it to all tiers, it doesnt work.

Tripling tier 3 (2000-5999) puts you into tier 4 (6000-8999).
Doubling tier 4 (6000-8999) puts you into tier 5 (9000-19999).
Tripling tier 5 (9000-19999) puts you into tier 6 (20000-49999).
Tripling tier 6 (20000-49999) puts you into tier 7 (50000+).

A function based approach makes more sense because it can be applied to all tiers equally without having to hardcode individual values. While 2x/3x is function based, it doesn't hold to all tiers, so it falls through.

Percentage based makes sense as well, and holds through the first two tiers (though so does 2x/3x).

The important thing is, however, that we'll never know unless we figure it out, since NF doesn't seem to want to make this information transparent.

[bort]

Good news/bad news -

I tested >35k sacrifice and got one reward. I'm not interested in "I told you so"'s, because i'm going to keep repeating tests until I've verified all the tier rewards.

Side note of good news, it dropped 50 rare souls.

Drops include:

AoS
Pharaoh Dog
Wicker Man
Magus CoTD x2
Magus Corrupt Rescuer
Mystic Eddie

With the slew of extra characters, I was able to test some more sacrifices. From what I can see there are one of two possibilities:

1) The tiers are hard-coded and the upper tiers do not give multiple rewards. It is possible that more essence will scale the *amount* that a particular award gives you
2) When receiving your rewards, items that roll to the same value are combined in the same reward. The 2-reward 5k sacrifice I did gave two multi-rare soul rewards, and the 8k sacrifice I did gave 7 rare souls in a single reward.

If anyone could replicate my results that would provide encouragement.

I'd also like to hear the rewards for putting in the minimum amount in tiers 4+

[bort]

I've just verified that tier 3 will not give three rewards.

I've done sacrifices with 4k, 5k, and 5999 essence, each giving two rewards.

I don't believe that the rewards are stacking, as the 4k sacrifice gave me two rare souls in two separate badges.


EDIT:

I just did a 415 essence sacrifice and received 4 rewards. This so far holds true that multiplying the tier minimum multiplies the rewards.

It also means:

Tier 3 has a maximum of two rewards
Tier 4 has a maximum of one reward
Tier 5 has a maximum of two rewards
Tier 6 has a maximum of two rewards

If this is true then there is no reason to put more than the minimum requirement per tier since you can repeat that sacrifice and get the same total number of rewards. I personally think that its a terrible rewards mechanism, because it does not reward additional essence values - anything over the minimum is essentially wasted.

[T-Man]

Thanks for the info bort. :cool:

[ritchbe]

3429

Reward was ONE (1!) Legendary soul, out of which came a 4* chicken.

Really sucks for a Tier VI sacrifice, really really!

[T-Man]

That really sucks man. Sorry. I'm sitting on a level 6 myself at the moment. Hesitant to do because of drops like this. Devs if you are reading, please make some adjustments to this?