View Full Version : December 2017 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY
Sparton_LOTB
12-08-2017, 08:22 PM
This is the main post to discuss tuning changes that are in an upcoming update.
You can see the details for the preliminary tuning adjustments in the Game Updates forum post (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?9329).
Demoonchild
12-08-2017, 09:39 PM
Hello Sparton and the whole team!
You guys are making the things just right man, it's pretty cool to have so much events and see that you're aware of tweak less used characters and bugs fixing.
Great to see love to Tailgunner, the guy deserves it...
Just as suggestion, you should consider to change some slots color to some characters like Assassin Troll, now that Thieve skill gonna be true damage, having a red slot is useless, the same for the warrior troll his main attack is true and power move are shields. Also, the Gunner COTD, it's gonna be great if you give him some purple slots to the actual full yellow mandatory.
One question, Sparton, the assassin Wickerdeer (please don't make more of this festive character with recycled characters) also has the Chomp move as basic, so it still gets the tuning right?
The last one, are you thinking on tuning some "old" moves improvements/scaling with skillshards?? I mean, some "old" characters have a progression like 5%, 10%, 15%; and "newest" ones are like 20%, 20%, 25%, 25% ... That gives a lot of disadvantage to old fellows and of course, players will spend skillshards on new chars instead of interesting old ones.
That's all, thanks in advance!!
MisterEly
12-08-2017, 09:40 PM
Nice buffs to Tailgunner, and a much needed Def/Mr increase for Cyborg. I'm really damn hoping this will be the Night City update...
Amarthir
12-08-2017, 09:42 PM
Just felt like discussing the update preview. Looks very nice, I'm glad there aren't any nerfs on Christmas.
Tailgunner Eddie is finally getting the buffs he deserves, I've been complaining in my head for months now because the only cool thing about him is his fury, now he may get more chances at being a proper 4* Gunner
Changing the extra turn chance of Call to Arms is a good idea I don't care what some people might say, having a basic attack to use over and over would really kill the fun in my opinion.
I'm pretty glad to see the Dragon Kings being taken down another peg. Changing the damage limit to 50% and adding another turn to the shield limit will definitely change alot, it'll allow a much larger variety of who you can bring with you to those higher dungeons.
The whole thing about the Angel Talismans are pretty interesting. If one talisman set can heal everyone, then stacking them could prove very useful. And power Shields sound awesome, there's been more than one occasion where I've been one power shy of using an important skill because energy stealers would mess up my flow.
We come back to the "unannounced game content" hopefully we'll see that in this update, new content in LotB is like water in a desert. It doesn't come often and it refreshes you whenever you find it.
And finally, I like the target being "mid-month" with that in mind I have an idea on what day it might be, which is rather soon
Fudjo
12-08-2017, 09:44 PM
I like it! Happy to see the Viking Eddie fix.
Sparton_LOTB
12-08-2017, 10:00 PM
Just as suggestion, you should consider to change some slots color to some characters like Assassin Troll, now that Thieve skill gonna be true damage, having a red slot is useless, the same for the warrior troll his main attack is true and power move are shields. Also, the Gunner COTD, it's gonna be great if you give him some purple slots to the actual full yellow mandatory.
For the comment on the Trolls, I'm not sure about changing them too all purples, but we'll review what makes sense for talisman slots for them (keeping in mind possible synergies with 4 talisman sets).
Regarding the Gunner Child of the Damned, we'd prefer to not change his talisman slots to purple, because he's been balanced already around stuff like his power attack not having purple slots, so that would make his damage output way higher than we'd like.
One question, Sparton, the assassin Wickedest (please don't make more of this festive character with recycled characters) also has the Chomp move as basic, so it still gets the tuning right?
It's the same Chomp skill, so yes, the Chomp that Hunting Wickerdeer has would also be tuned. I'll make sure that's reflected in the update's final tuning notes.
The last one, are you thinking on tuning some "old" moves improvements/scaling with skillshards?? I mean, some "old" characters have a progression like 5%, 10%, 15%; and "newest" ones are like 20%, 20%, 25%, 25% ... That gives a lot of disadvantage to old fellows and of course, players will spend skillshards on new chars instead of interesting old ones.
The bigger skill level gains are typically based on rarity. Most new characters are 4 star and 5 star characters, so they'll typically have higher increases from skill shards. That said, we do periodically review older characters and will tune them accordingly to get stronger gains from skill levels if we think it makes sense.
Sponholz
12-08-2017, 10:30 PM
Changing the extra turn chance of Call to Arms is a good idea I don't care what some people might say, having a basic attack to use over and over would really kill the fun in my opinion.
It's a nice change, but in all honesty, I would like something in the lines of:
- Call to Arms, no longer generates fury when used.
or
- Call to Arms, only generates fury once per round.
I get and support the idea of CtA being too strong as it is now, but it directly connects to another skill of Viking.
65% chance is a nice value, I think it's the correct one if NF is going that way, Accuracy buff will put the % on 90, which can be used to fill fury again, but will have room for failing, and to get there you will have to commit a place on the party for any char that buffs accuracy.
Either way I really dislike the Idea of a skill which when it fails to trigger the extra round "they do nothing*", CtA fails, Viking does nothing other then self buff, and as far as my PvP experience goes, those buffs will get removed on the very next round, and if they don't you will lose one round on then.
*That statement was by the fact that it doesn't immediately affects the battle.
Either way Call to Arms was to easy to abuse if you wanted, not by the skill alone, but by the fact that you generate infinite fury with it.
I like it! Happy to see the Viking Eddie fix.
I like it too, and I basically only have him (from Eddies) fully sharded / max talis and use him in all activities, PvE or PvP related.
Using him since I returned, way prior to the buff CtA got.
I would like it to be changed on a different way, with the ability to gain the extra turn, but no fury generated when used, that would prevent the abuse, and using it 100x per round would do exactly the same as using it 1 time. (save the 2 times needed when you have the Block Beneficial Effects debuff on him).
TL;DR: My 2 cents: I would prefer a nerf to fury generated by it (to no fury at all) other then a % to a risk of getting self-buffed and nothing more.
Not a rant post, just my personal opinion on the changes. the skill is indeed to strong as it is now.
Cheers!!! Ed.
Browno
12-08-2017, 11:02 PM
Nice. But i have a take on call to arms as well. Have it at 100% and then decrease it by 25% -50% each timebit is used after the first attempt.
Again Navigators Roaring Wave gets no fix???
Fudjo
12-08-2017, 11:09 PM
Nice. But i have a take on call to arms as well. Have it at 100% and then decrease it by 25% -50% each timebit is used after the first attempt.
It doesn't provide any benefit apart from a Fury increase after the first use, so how about 100% chance for one extra turn and then no extra turns after that?
calizario
12-08-2017, 11:24 PM
Sparton
And about the AoF that the passive is giving extra turn to the team even though he is dead
Amarthir
12-08-2017, 11:45 PM
Again Navigators Roaring Wave gets no fix???
I'm also hoping this is further addressed
Browno
12-08-2017, 11:45 PM
It doesn't provide any benefit apart from a Fury increase after the first use, so how about 100% chance for one extra turn and then no extra turns after that?
It can if you have some debuffs and need to get rid of those before you can take advantage of the buffs.
Sponholz
12-09-2017, 12:06 AM
It can if you have some debuffs and need to get rid of those before you can take advantage of the buffs.
Exactly what I was going to say, it serves as a cleanse, but I will just try and explain better why I think the no fury at all would be a nice solution.
Since Call to Arms, cleanse, buff, and give an extra turn, you just don't need the fury it generates, why?
Well since you gain an extra turn, you will use any other skill that will generate fury. So even if the fury generated by CtA is removed you won't lose the fury-per-skill-of-the-turn.
Example:
Without the change:
Use CtA - Gain Fury from CtA. (you can fill you entire Fury meter spamming this step).
Use Loot - Gain Fury from Loot.
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With the change on the preliminary notes:
Use CtA - Gains Fury from CtA.
It fails to give another turn, you get only the fury generated from 1 skill (and no follow-up move, just wait another turn and hope to not get your buffs removed, which happens a lot this days)
Use CtA - Gains Fury from CtA and another turn triggers.
Use Loot - Gains Fury from Loot.
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With CtA not giving any fury (but retaining the extra turn):
Use CtA - No Fury gained, extra turn triggers (no room to abuse as a fury gas station either).
Use Loot - Gains Fury from Loot.
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In my humble opinion its the most balanced scenario in regards to abusing fury gain from CtA.
And a pretty safe way to change it regarding as coding, changing the value of the fury gained from XXX to 0 (zero) is in most cases a pretty bug free/safe scenario.
As awalys... Cheers!!! Ed.
JJJ428
12-09-2017, 12:16 AM
Sparton, just wanted to see if this is on the radar, is it aware that Trooper Eddie's fury and Eda's passive removes the passive of other Eda's. Meaning if you have two Eda's on one team and she gives the two turns perfect immunity it over writes the passive of the other Eda so she no longer has perfect immunity for infinite turns.
Browno
12-09-2017, 12:32 AM
Im also with you on the 0 fury road for call to arms :)
It can be a 4 skill usage sometimes with it. Cta, mr charge, cta and whatever other skill you want to use.
Sponholz
12-09-2017, 12:43 AM
Im also with you on the 0 fury road for call to arms :)
It can be a 4 skill usage sometimes with it. Cta, mr charge, cta and whatever other skill you want to use.
Yeah, and the fact that it can become a Congrats-on-Wasting-3-Power Skill is just sad... Cause I can count 1 maybe 2 times out of every 10 uses, where My MR Charge into CtA survived the follow-up turn before the buff to CtA, one hit from Clair, WUR, Wrath and that's it... gone.
If you go that way NF, please at least do another change... change the name from Call to Arms, to Wasting Love. Cause you know, Love is a really nice thing, but when it fails or become wasted, it crushes ya...
Edit: Remembered another sad scenario that it also affects, if you want to get rid of some debuffs, for example the Block Beneficial Effects one. you will have a solid chance of doing absolutely nothing for a turn. how you ask?
Glad you asked my friend!!!
- CtA to remove BBE. (when CtA removes this specifically debuff, it don't give any buffs, just the cleanse effect resolves, you have to use again to get the MR and Immunity buff going).
- CtA Fails to trigger extra turn.
- Viking sits on a corner and cry for the rest of the turn. with nothing, no buffs, debuffs, or dmg to opposing team, Wasting... his... Love... for the battle he is enduring...
Still with some hope.... Cheers!!! Ed.
nuclear1250
12-09-2017, 01:27 AM
Well I guess the main thing I can discuss about this update is Tailgunner Eddie getting a buff, which I think is fantastic since he's actually my main Eddie and I think he is seriously underrated. So to see him getting the buffs he's getting is greatly appreciated.
BUT, I really don't think changing his talisman slots is necessary - at least in my case (I run him with 4 boost and 2 strength which is my ideal setup with him) - seeing as some of his key moves scale based on the special stat so confining him to a maximum of just 3 yellow talismans I feel potentially affects his capability. Just my input of course but I'm glad that Tailgunner is finally getting some love.
Sparton_LOTB
12-09-2017, 03:10 AM
And a pretty safe way to change it regarding as coding, changing the value of the fury gained from XXX to 0 (zero) is in most cases a pretty bug free/safe scenario.
The problem is that our current system doesn't allow us to just not gain Fury from an action... the amount of Fury you gain (assuming no outside factors) is based on the character's Special stat. There's global multipliers we can tweak based on the feature (that would affect all skills), but not something we can use to reduce the Fury gained from doing a specific action. Thus the current solution, of making it pretty reliably give you an extra turn in some situations... but not guaranteed (so that if you want that "utility" of shedding off certain debuffs, it's a gamble).
Sparton, just wanted to see if this is on the radar, is it aware that Trooper Eddie's fury and Eda's passive removes the passive of other Eda's. Meaning if you have two Eda's on one team and she gives the two turns perfect immunity it over writes the passive of the other Eda so she no longer has perfect immunity for infinite turns.
I'll pass that along for investigation.
BUT, I really don't think changing his talisman slots is necessary - at least in my case (I run him with 4 boost and 2 strength which is my ideal setup with him) - seeing as some of his key moves scale based on the special stat so confining him to a maximum of just 3 yellow talismans I feel potentially affects his capability. Just my input of course but I'm glad that Tailgunner is finally getting some love.
I'll pass that along to Kaz to consider. I haven't used Tailgunner Eddie much personally, so I don't have any specific thoughts, but he may be thinking of something I'm missing.
JJJ428
12-09-2017, 03:36 AM
Also I was surprised more people haven't asked and I know he did get a lot of boosts but I feel Aces High Eddie HP and defenses are still too low for a 5 star. I know his attack is high but even solider eddie has much better HP and defense not looking for anything crazy but i feel some slight stat bumps might be in order. I feel like he was suppose to be a counter to VHE but being the opposite class and that weak, VHE can some times one shot him making him being a counter kind of poor. Wanted to see what others thought, maybe I just have terrible talismans builds for him that never work.
Demoonchild
12-09-2017, 05:02 AM
Well I guess the main thing I can discuss about this update is Tailgunner Eddie getting a buff, which I think is fantastic since he's actually my main Eddie and I think he is seriously underrated. So to see him getting the buffs he's getting is greatly appreciated.
BUT, I really don't think changing his talisman slots is necessary - at least in my case (I run him with 4 boost and 2 strength which is my ideal setup with him) - seeing as some of his key moves scale based on the special stat so confining him to a maximum of just 3 yellow talismans I feel potentially affects his capability. Just my input of course but I'm glad that Tailgunner is finally getting some love.
I don't agree with the talismans setup.
The new configuration seems better since it opens more chances to use Tailgunner at his best, so you will be able to give him, for example, Echo which is currently impossible to do. Or you can give him a set of thorn or explosive, plus 2 strength snd one green to improve health and turn him into a killing machine.
I pretty like the tuning with 3 mandatory red, if you don't want him, just leave your Talismans as they are, and take care on no take them off...
Sponholz
12-09-2017, 05:22 AM
The problem is that our current system doesn't allow us to just not gain Fury from an action... the amount of Fury you gain (assuming no outside factors) is based on the character's Special stat. There's global multipliers we can tweak based on the feature (that would affect all skills), but not something we can use to reduce the Fury gained from doing a specific action. Thus the current solution, of making it pretty reliably give you an extra turn in some situations... but not guaranteed (so that if you want that "utility" of shedding off certain debuffs, it's a gamble).
First things, first... Thanks for the fast reply! This is one the things I like the most about this game, the feedback from the staff, and the advanced changes opened to discussion is something that I already said on another thread, pretty rare this days.
Ok back to it, I will talk based on my personal experience, since I don't have access to any parts of the coding involved on LotB, but, if there is a global variable/function to calculate the amount of fury gained based on char stats, there should be something that calls it when any given action is used, and there should be some way to disable calling that specific function that calculates the fury, doesn't matter if its based on a global value or not, if the function is not called there could be a NULL return.
Or, they could add an exception on the function that calculates the fury so that if the action calling the function have the ID for Call to Arms (which I believe there is a way to track which action is calling any function, in some cases even the LABEL of a button can be used to raise an exception), returning a NULL (or zero or anything similar) value for the fury gained if it was called from certain skill, if there is nothing atm that can filter things like this, I strongly suggest that something on this line should be tested internally for future use, this game can be really complex as coding goes, just looking at the amount of different effects and combination of this effects that can occur on a single battle.
AGAIN:
Based on personal experience on coding both professionally and for personal use. I'm just trying to discuss and be as constructive as I can.
As usual, Cheers!!! Ed.
Amarthir
12-09-2017, 05:31 AM
for example, Echo which is currently impossible to do. Or you can give him a set of thorn or explosive, plus 2 strength snd one green to improve health and turn him into a killing machine.
I would say to give this a chance. Let's say that he has an Echo and a Hunter set. If he gets accuracy up, Barrage could lower everyone's defense and ignite them at the same time, and if he gets an extra turn, he can use it again for very brutal damage. Then you add the Allied General for raising attack and giving him critical hit chance, he'll probably wipe out alot of competition. He'll do wonders in Brave New World
Sparton_LOTB
12-09-2017, 06:49 AM
First things, first... Thanks for the fast reply! This is one the things I like the most about this game, the feedback from the staff, and the advanced changes opened to discussion is something that I already said on another thread, pretty rare this days.
I'm happy to have the dialog with you and others as well! It's definitely something we still don't see many game developers do, but I love to be part of these discussions to help improve the game more and to help inform/educate others on the development process that goes into games like ours (especially with more and more people getting into games and software in general).
Or, they could add an exception on the function that calculates the fury so that if the action calling the function have the ID for Call to Arms (which I believe there is a way to track which action is calling any function, in some cases even the LABEL of a button can be used to raise an exception), returning a NULL (or zero or anything similar) value for the fury gained if it was called from certain skill, if there is nothing atm that can filter things like this, I strongly suggest that something on this line should be tested internally for future use, this game can be really complex as coding goes, just looking at the amount of different effects and combination of this effects that can occur on a single battle.
This is basically the approach we would need to take to do what you're proposing (adjust the code, with either adding to data structure to support it or part of the code change requiring a specific work around to get the desired effect). It's totally doable (as far as coding goes, damn near anything is technically possible), but the problem is that it then goes from something a designer can fix to something that requires a programmer to fix... and that is often the bottleneck for the most important kinds of fixes or improvements. The time it would take to fix that could be equal to or more than the time to fix a combat hang, or functionality to enable an entirely new kind of talisman or skill effect.
In this case, because the idea of "don't generate fury for this specific situation" only opens up a strategic option for a small subset of characters, it's something we have to weigh against the value of doing one of those coding fixes, and right now that isn't the place we'd want our programmers to focus our attention on. That said, it's definitely something we'll keep in mind... if we see more potential places where the kind of functionality you're describing would be valuable, then we're re-evaluate based on what we'd be planning to deliver on that next milestone.
In summary, most of the tuning and a handful of the fixes you see in stuff like the tuning notes is stuff that Kaz or I (but mostly Kaz) can do as designers to improve and deepen the experience of the game, and that's usually the constraint most fixes and changes will have. Utilizing programmer time is something we need to be very careful with to ensure we don't fall into too much of a defect for quality improvements (it doesn't matter what game you're talking about, there's always another bug to fix).
slauki
12-09-2017, 11:13 AM
the balancing seems very reasonable to me, love the TG fixes and the changes of his slots. he might even become useable in the arena. "rambo" is one of the coolest eddies for sure, so he deserves some love.
agree on JJJs suggestion, AHE is a very strong hitter but a bit more surviviability would be cool for him.
aside this i would just like to ask you if you could consider some counter for perfect immunity, which slows down matches a lot. right now only thing we have is an aop to shorten down the duration of buffs. but if chars like death dog would remove all effects (including PI) this would be great. sure it's kind of a contradiction to remove perfect immunity, but i think it's necessary.
shouldn't be an crazy aoe removal, but i had something in mind like letting perfect corruption neuter perfect immunity. so if you have PI on a char and an enemy puts perfect corruction on you the PI will simply disappear without being perfect corrupted. so the char will be simply stripped.
like permadeath as counter for perfect immortality.
regarding your coding time post this might be too much, but something against all these edas would be cool. as said before i don't think they are OP but they slow everything down a lot and make arena really annoying to play.
slow games --> less sow burned --> less refills --> less income --> threat of unemployment :D
cheers
Sponholz
12-09-2017, 12:53 PM
This is basically the approach we would need to take to do what you're proposing (adjust the code, with either adding to data structure to support it or part of the code change requiring a specific work around to get the desired effect). It's totally doable (as far as coding goes, damn near anything is technically possible), but the problem is that it then goes from something a designer can fix to something that requires a programmer to fix... and that is often the bottleneck for the most important kinds of fixes or improvements. The time it would take to fix that could be equal to or more than the time to fix a combat hang, or functionality to enable an entirely new kind of talisman or skill effect.
In this case, because the idea of "don't generate fury for this specific situation" only opens up a strategic option for a small subset of characters, it's something we have to weigh against the value of doing one of those coding fixes, and right now that isn't the place we'd want our programmers to focus our attention on. That said, it's definitely something we'll keep in mind... if we see more potential places where the kind of functionality you're describing would be valuable, then we're re-evaluate based on what we'd be planning to deliver on that next milestone.
In summary, most of the tuning and a handful of the fixes you see in stuff like the tuning notes is stuff that Kaz or I (but mostly Kaz) can do as designers to improve and deepen the experience of the game, and that's usually the constraint most fixes and changes will have. Utilizing programmer time is something we need to be very careful with to ensure we don't fall into too much of a defect for quality improvements (it doesn't matter what game you're talking about, there's always another bug to fix).
Yeah I agree, I was just using the Call to Arms as an example by the time I wrote that, was talking more as a coder/programmer and also as a player, if it would require any changes to the game engine, then yeah at this point I advise to just think about adding as a fail-safe/troubleshoot measure on a mid to long term, when a deeply change like that could be done and tested well.
Hence why I previously posted that a simple change to the value would be bug free, and I can see that trying to implement a change to the core of the game can bring more harm then good atm.
Again, I am really pleased for the fast replies, and the fact that you don't try to rodeo things up, just plain explain, helps a lot also. On times like we live today a little transparency of whats going on behind the scenes can go a long way. (this don't applies to just LotB, gaming or whatever product you name, a customer service like the one you all provide is indeed a rare thing).
And I am also really pleased and happy by the fact that so far, my forum experience on this game is just awesome, almost all the players that post here try to be as constructive as possible, and almost always leave the toxicity on really low levels.
So in all honesty, props to LotB Staff (Sparton/Kaz are the ones I see the most on the forums, but this extend to everyone involved), and all the players that post a lot of good info and feedback to the devs, I am mostly sure I can speak on their behalf that a crowd like this makes the life of a developer a lot healthier. I wish I had the feedback most of you provide while I was coding as a profession.
Particularly this time of the year.... Cheers!!! Ed!
Nicko
12-09-2017, 02:49 PM
the balancing seems very reasonable to me, love the TG fixes and the changes of his slots. he might even become useable in the arena. "rambo" is one of the coolest eddies for sure, so he deserves some love.
agree on JJJs suggestion, AHE is a very strong hitter but a bit more surviviability would be cool for him.
aside this i would just like to ask you if you could consider some counter for perfect immunity, which slows down matches a lot. right now only thing we have is an aop to shorten down the duration of buffs. but if chars like death dog would remove all effects (including PI) this would be great. sure it's kind of a contradiction to remove perfect immunity, but i think it's necessary.
shouldn't be an crazy aoe removal, but i had something in mind like letting perfect corruption neuter perfect immunity. so if you have PI on a char and an enemy puts perfect corruction on you the PI will simply disappear without being perfect corrupted. so the char will be simply stripped.
like permadeath as counter for perfect immortality.
regarding your coding time post this might be too much, but something against all these edas would be cool. as said before i don't think they are OP but they slow everything down a lot and make arena really annoying to play.
slow games --> less sow burned --> less refills --> less income --> threat of unemployment :D
cheers
So you’d like to see ALMOST Perfect Immunity ;)
But if they did come up with a counter I like your suggestion. Aces High “Do or Die” is a nice counter to Immortality - and when combined with the other buffs they made recently - brought him nicely to 5* status
FOTD may become much more usable if Perfect Corruption was a counter to Perfect Immunity
angelkelly
12-09-2017, 04:18 PM
the balancing seems very reasonable to me, love the TG fixes and the changes of his slots. he might even become useable in the arena. "rambo" is one of the coolest eddies for sure, so he deserves some love.
agree on JJJs suggestion, AHE is a very strong hitter but a bit more surviviability would be cool for him.
aside this i would just like to ask you if you could consider some counter for perfect immunity, which slows down matches a lot. right now only thing we have is an aop to shorten down the duration of buffs. but if chars like death dog would remove all effects (including PI) this would be great. sure it's kind of a contradiction to remove perfect immunity, but i think it's necessary.
shouldn't be an crazy aoe removal, but i had something in mind like letting perfect corruption neuter perfect immunity. so if you have PI on a char and an enemy puts perfect corruction on you the PI will simply disappear without being perfect corrupted. so the char will be simply stripped.
like permadeath as counter for perfect immortality.
regarding your coding time post this might be too much, but something against all these edas would be cool. as said before i don't think they are OP but they slow everything down a lot and make arena really annoying to play.
slow games --> less sow burned --> less refills --> less income --> threat of unemployment :D
cheers
So basically you want A.Valkyrie to be even more op. No thanks.
slauki
12-09-2017, 04:45 PM
So basically you want A.Valkyrie to be even more op. No thanks.
it was an example akelly...
Nicko
12-09-2017, 06:43 PM
So basically you want A.Valkyrie to be even more op. No thanks.
Good point. If used Perfect Corruption would likely need to nerf that part of the Assassin Valkyrie.
Not a bad idea actually ;)
And to Slaukis original point, I liked the Perfect Corruption idea because all of a sudden another Eddie (FOTD) other than the “Big 3” - VHE, Aces High, and Pharaoh - becomes really usable.
slauki
12-09-2017, 08:15 PM
please check the passive of the crimson dog. he didn't apply the accuracy debuff against a prisoner team, even he had immunity on:
my team:
arillery dog (immunity/energy)
VHE (immunity/immortality)
crimson dog (immunity/hunter)
dog of war (enduring/guardian)
enemy:
AHE (immunity/shell/strength)
prisoner (thorn/immunity)
Astra (guardian immortality)
SSD (energy/strike)
the debuff should have been active but prisoner most likely blocked it.
Nifelheim
12-10-2017, 02:29 AM
Any servers down? Not able to get past loading screen for a few hours. I'm on iOS.
JJJ428
12-10-2017, 02:54 AM
I have been playing since daily reset and playing right now with no issues. I am also on IOS.
Sponholz
12-10-2017, 07:10 PM
Hi all again! :)
I was thinking and have another 2 suggestions for Viking's Call to Arms with the 65% chance.
1 - How about instead of the Normal Immunity we get now, It gives Perfect Immunity for a turn, ONLY if it fails to trigger the extra turn? (This would make the skill valuable even when it don't give the extra turn, making sure you would still have the buffs up for the next turn).
2 - If the above is not possible, how about when you use it if Viking have no buffs after the skill resolves it triggers the extra turn, or at least apply the buffs its supposed to apply. (Typical scenario is the use when Viking have Block Beneficial Effects debuff up, after CtA resolves he is cleansed but the buffs, MR and Immunity, don't apply).
And since we are on the subject...
If Viking already have Increased MR and Immunity buff up, then MR Charge is used, followed by CtA, it consumes a turn on MR Charge buff, and only refreshes the turns left on Increased MR and Immunity, it doesn't overwrite the old Increased MR buff with the stronger one, I truly hope that this is a bug and not intended, cause if it is, when you use Viking with Allied Bomber Boy on the same team you render MR Charge a useless skill until the initial Increased MR buff from Allied Bomber Boy is removed/expired, and CtA can't be used also until Viking have no MR buffs at all (then MR Charge followed by CtA will apply the stronger Increased MR).
Cheers!!! Ed.
thealchemist
12-11-2017, 09:32 AM
The changes to the dragon kings damage/turn limit.....my tired brain is trying to work out if essentially it makes the dragon kings less daunting or more. I'm thinking less daunting but I'm probably wrong....so which one is it?
PerthEddie
12-11-2017, 11:19 AM
The changes to the dragon kings damage/turn limit.....my tired brain is trying to work out if essentially it makes the dragon kings less daunting or more. I'm thinking less daunting but I'm probably wrong....so which one is it?
I was wondering the same
JJJ428
12-11-2017, 11:28 AM
It should be less daunting. Before the shields would come back if you did over 33% damage to them. That's why shield would reset 2 times a battle usually. Now with it being changed to 50% should only come back once if you time everything right with the resets, Unless you are as good as Mariner and can one shot the Dragon King.
Sparton_LOTB
12-11-2017, 07:46 PM
aside this i would just like to ask you if you could consider some counter for perfect immunity, which slows down matches a lot. right now only thing we have is an aop to shorten down the duration of buffs. but if chars like death dog would remove all effects (including PI) this would be great. sure it's kind of a contradiction to remove perfect immunity, but i think it's necessary.
As per the followup discussion, not sure if Perfect Corruption is the right answer, but finding some other counter is definitely something we can consider. I prodded Kaz about it, and he agrees that there's "too many problems" with using Perfect Corruption as the answer, but counters to Perfect Immunity are on the radar.
And to Slaukis original point, I liked the Perfect Corruption idea because all of a sudden another Eddie (FOTD) other than the “Big 3” - VHE, Aces High, and Pharaoh - becomes really usable.
While he may not be often used as an attacker commonly at the top of the PVP leaderboard, he's still commonly used as both an attacker and as a defense team leader pretty commonly throughout PVP, so I'm not sure if this particual Nat 4 Eddie needs a whole lot changed for that specific purpose. Hell, once more counters to Perfect Immunity are around, Fear of the Dark Eddie becomes naturally more appealing anyways (since Immunity hampers him greatly).
please check the passive of the crimson dog. he didn't apply the accuracy debuff against a prisoner team, even he had immunity on:
[deets]
the debuff should have been active but prisoner most likely blocked it.
Thanks for the detailed info. I'll pass this along for investigation.
I was thinking and have another 2 suggestions for Viking's Call to Arms with the 65% chance.
1 - How about instead of the Normal Immunity we get now, It gives Perfect Immunity for a turn, ONLY if it fails to trigger the extra turn? (This would make the skill valuable even when it don't give the extra turn, making sure you would still have the buffs up for the next turn).
2 - If the above is not possible, how about when you use it if Viking have no buffs after the skill resolves it triggers the extra turn, or at least apply the buffs its supposed to apply. (Typical scenario is the use when Viking have Block Beneficial Effects debuff up, after CtA resolves he is cleansed but the buffs, MR and Immunity, don't apply).
I'm not too sure about having situational stuff on failures to trigger... while an interesting idea, it contributes to making the character more and more complex to understand when there's a lot of edge cases for a character for people to consider when learning about a character (such as when they get them for the first time), and Viking Eddie already has a lot going on.
That said, it's definitely something we'll keep in mind after playtesting him more after this next batch of tuning goes live.
If Viking already have Increased MR and Immunity buff up, then MR Charge is used, followed by CtA, it consumes a turn on MR Charge buff, and only refreshes the turns left on Increased MR and Immunity, it doesn't overwrite the old Increased MR buff with the stronger one, I truly hope that this is a bug and not intended, [...]
This, however, is a known bug. It's something we're looking at (and we're also considering things like changing Charge to affect existing stat up buffs as well), but we don't have a timeline for a fix/adjustment.
Sponholz
12-11-2017, 08:58 PM
I'm not too sure about having situational stuff on failures to trigger... while an interesting idea, it contributes to making the character more and more complex to understand when there's a lot of edge cases for a character for people to consider when learning about a character (such as when they get them for the first time), and Viking Eddie already has a lot going on.
That said, it's definitely something we'll keep in mind after playtesting him more after this next batch of tuning goes live.
Glad I was able to at least contribute in some form, I know I'm not a high-end player like Slauki, JJJ, Askora, and the others, but I try my best in each game I devote my time for.
Second but not least, this game is already really complex after you go the PvP way, each and every Eddie and some other units I have played with demands time to get used to. There is a LOT of combinations and things you can try (I know there will always be a FOTM talisman or party setup). I honestly don't think a change like that would over-complicate Viking. In my opinion every Eddie I managed to get so far, gave me that feeling, Oh, hes easy to play with, but really hard to master with.
I really appreciate your time Sparton. Thanks for all the replies so far, and let's see if the patch it's a Do or Die for my fellow Viking. :cool:
Cheers!!! Ed!
Sparton_LOTB
12-12-2017, 06:46 PM
please check the passive of the crimson dog. he didn't apply the accuracy debuff against a prisoner team, even he had immunity on:
[snip again]
the debuff should have been active but prisoner most likely blocked it.
FYI, one of our QA just got back to me after investigating this; it appears there's an issue when:
Multiple characters have a passive that triggers status effects at the start of battle
The above characters are all protected by Immunity Talismans
An enemy has the Prisoner
Basically, the key is more than one character on a team doing start-of-battle effects against a Prisoner team. In this case, only one of the characters with the passives will trigger (I presume you saw Repeal function correctly, but not Daze).
Due to where we're at with the next update, it's unlikely it'll be fixed in time for that, but we'll make sure it's in our system to prioritize for a future update.
EDIT: Also, thanks again for the detailed info; our original attempts to reproduce this didn't see the bug due to using less characters on each team, so your full loadout info was key to identifying the way to reproduce the bug.
FYI, one of our QA just got back to me after investigating this; it appears there's an issue when:
Multiple characters have a passive that triggers status effects at the start of battle
The above characters are all protected by Immunity Talismans
An enemy has the Prisoner
Basically, the key is more than one character on a team doing start-of-battle effects against a Prisoner team. In this case, only one of the characters with the passives will trigger (I presume you saw Repeal function correctly, but not Daze).
Due to where we're at with the next update, it's unlikely it'll be fixed in time for that, but we'll make sure it's in our system to prioritize for a future update.
EDIT: Also, thanks again for the detailed info; our original attempts to reproduce this didn't see the bug due to using less characters on each team, so your full loadout info was key to identifying the way to reproduce the bug.
Hi Sparton, now that AoF is giving so many extra turns even when he is dead, why don't you bring back the state where extra turns were granted only when the target was killed.
JJJ428
12-12-2017, 07:04 PM
Or ban him from arena and leave his brokenness for PVE farming goodness
I don't know...all this complaining about perfect immunity and AoF.... you'd think some are just unhappy they are losing matches :)
Pablo
12-12-2017, 08:25 PM
Hello, I´m Pablo, from Argentina, I think the only issue in pvp would be (at least for me) The Prisioner, because many times when it´s combined with some stunners or taunters, you can´t play directly, and I think thats very unfair. Maybe change the passive of the prisioner in some way?
With the AoF I didn´t have many issues, and either with VHE, it´s very fun to play in the arena.
I don´t have many of the main toons to win up to 95 % and my defense have a 15 % rate but I can play with almost all the teams.
Sorry for my english!
Awesome community and up the irons!
slauki
12-12-2017, 08:48 PM
FYI, one of our QA just got back to me after investigating this; it appears there's an issue when:
Multiple characters have a passive that triggers status effects at the start of battle
The above characters are all protected by Immunity Talismans
An enemy has the Prisoner
Basically, the key is more than one character on a team doing start-of-battle effects against a Prisoner team. In this case, only one of the characters with the passives will trigger (I presume you saw Repeal function correctly, but not Daze).
Due to where we're at with the next update, it's unlikely it'll be fixed in time for that, but we'll make sure it's in our system to prioritize for a future update.
EDIT: Also, thanks again for the detailed info; our original attempts to reproduce this didn't see the bug due to using less characters on each team, so your full loadout info was key to identifying the way to reproduce the bug.
you are very welcome, happy if i'm able to help.but i have another problem to report which is there for more than a year now.
i played red LOL all day and i never got a crash. but then suddenly i got 2 crashes in 4 games. i was discussing that with druid and i think he has a very nice theory.
he told me to check my inventory and i found my 3* red shards were at 995. i have only 40 inventory slots used, so this cannot be a problem (he has 53 used). so very likely the game wasn't able to add more 3* shards because this would split the stack so the result was a maclo12 each time 3* red shards dropped. once i leveled some toons with those shards i was able to play without errors again. i think good old kaijester had this observation over a year ago. it would be cool if you could check and hopefully fix this.
aside this you did a great job with fixing apmas in the arena would it be possible to try the same thing with other errors like maclo? simply let the game try to reload if it's disconnected
and an error appears? this would be really great.
druid138
12-12-2017, 09:21 PM
you are very welcome, happy if i'm able to help.but i have another problem to report which is there for more than a year now.
i played red LOL all day and i never got a crash. but then suddenly i got 2 crashes in 4 games. i was discussing that with druid and i think he has a very nice theory.
he told me to check my inventory and i found my 3* red shards were at 995. i have only 40 inventory slots used, so this cannot be a problem (he has 53 used). so very likely the game wasn't able to add more 3* shards because this would split the stack so the result was a maclo12 each time 3* red shards dropped. once i leveled some toons with those shards i was able to play without errors again. i think good old kaijester had this observation over a year ago. it would be cool if you could check and hopefully fix this.
aside this you did a great job with fixing apmas in the arena would it be possible to try the same thing with other errors like maclo? simply let the game try to reload if it's disconnected
and an error appears? this would be really great.
Yes, I've seen very interesting correlations with MACLx errors and inventory limits lately. It happens with runes in BNW and shards in LoL. When I get an error, I have been checking my inventory. Every such time over the past few weeks, I have found a stack of near 999 of something that may have dropped from the run generating the error. When I sell or use that stack down to closer to 900, the errors go away. I've been monitoring this more closely now to ensure I never get within one drop of surpassing 999, and it seems to work. There is something about the new stack creation that can sometimes create problems. Not always, but sometimes.
As a side note, I believe this also explains why MACLx errors became so much less common once the stack max increased from 99 to 999 several months ago.
BG840
12-12-2017, 10:11 PM
@Sparton what’s going on with the missing crimson dog fragments
Sparton_LOTB
12-12-2017, 10:26 PM
Hi Sparton, now that AoF is giving so many extra turns even when he is dead, why don't you bring back the state where extra turns were granted only when the target was killed.
There's no easymode switch for changing functionality like that; part of the reason his passive has had additional problems lately is knock-ons from fixing other bugs. Reverting that functionality would likely reintroduce many other bugs (or introduce entirely new ones).
Hello, I´m Pablo, from Argentina, I think the only issue in pvp would be (at least for me) The Prisioner, because many times when it´s combined with some stunners or taunters, you can´t play directly, and I think thats very unfair. Maybe change the passive of the prisioner in some way?
The Prisoner has long been a polarizing character in the game, but there's a few handy ways to work around his Passive Disable. I'd recommend looking up other forum threads on the character or making a new thread about that, as I'm sure many players will be happy to share their strategies with you.
i played red LOL all day and i never got a crash. but then suddenly i got 2 crashes in 4 games. i was discussing that with druid and i think he has a very nice theory.
he told me to check my inventory and i found my 3* red shards were at 995. i have only 40 inventory slots used, so this cannot be a problem (he has 53 used). so very likely the game wasn't able to add more 3* shards because this would split the stack so the result was a maclo12 each time 3* red shards dropped. once i leveled some toons with those shards i was able to play without errors again. i think good old kaijester had this observation over a year ago. it would be cool if you could check and hopefully fix this.
Yes, I've seen very interesting correlations with MACLx errors and inventory limits lately. It happens with runes in BNW and shards in LoL. When I get an error, I have been checking my inventory. Every such time over the past few weeks, I have found a stack of near 999 of something that may have dropped from the run generating the error. When I sell or use that stack down to closer to 900, the errors go away. I've been monitoring this more closely now to ensure I never get within one drop of surpassing 999, and it seems to work. There is something about the new stack creation that can sometimes create problems. Not always, but sometimes.
Hm, I'm pretty sure I ran into the situation for rolling over a stack past 999 recently and didn't run into that issue, so there may be more to it that causes this problem. Nonetheless, I've passed your report along to our QA to investigate.
Additionally, I had CS have a quick look at your guys' inventories and we noticed an issue that causes you to be unable to sell certain shard/rune stacks that may be related to you guys seeing the MACL12 error. Let us know if you still see it or if that seems to no longer happen for you after this posting.
aside this you did a great job with fixing apmas in the arena would it be possible to try the same thing with other errors like maclo? simply let the game try to reload if it's disconnected
and an error appears? this would be really great.
It depends on the kind of error that's happening. For example, I believe MACL12 errors aren't a connectivity problem, but are due to a problem with getting/applying the quest reward, so the reboot means the game is trying to ensure it's in sync with the server. If we tried to just let the player through with that kind of error (depending on what bug/code path it went through to result in that error), they could lose rewards they should have otherwise earned.
That's different from things like the PVP AMPA3 (a connectivity error code), as those are ones we can let you retry until they work.
@Sparton what’s going on with the missing crimson dog fragments
Our CS team is working through investigating and gifting according to what is missing.
For anyone with this problem where achievement rewards were missing for a challenge that was claimed, you'll need to sort that out with CS using the in-game Support button.
BG840
12-12-2017, 10:39 PM
Thanks Sparton
slauki
12-12-2017, 10:55 PM
Hm, I'm pretty sure I ran into the situation for rolling over a stack past 999 recently and didn't run into that issue, so there may be more to it that causes this problem. Nonetheless, I've passed your report along to our QA to investigate.
Additionally, I had CS have a quick look at your guys' inventories and we noticed an issue that causes you to be unable to sell certain shard/rune stacks that may be related to you guys seeing the MACL12 error. Let us know if you still see it or if that seems to no longer happen for you after this posting.
thanks a lot man, i was able to sell stuff now i wasn't been able to sell for almost a year now. but i never cared that much to write to CS regarding this issue.
will keep you informed with the macl12. i guess i will reach more than 999 3* blue shards tomorrow.
druid138
12-12-2017, 11:13 PM
Hm, I'm pretty sure I ran into the situation for rolling over a stack past 999 recently and didn't run into that issue, so there may be more to it that causes this problem. Nonetheless, I've passed your report along to our QA to investigate.
Additionally, I had CS have a quick look at your guys' inventories and we noticed an issue that causes you to be unable to sell certain shard/rune stacks that may be related to you guys seeing the MACL12 error. Let us know if you still see it or if that seems to no longer happen for you after this posting.
Yes, I have several types of items with a 999 stack plus another stack. So, sometimes the rollover seems to work. Maybe it works if I'm at 999 in a stack and a new stack gets created with the drop, but it fails if I'm at <999 in a stack and the drop puts me over 999. That is, maybe the failure occurs due to having to "write" to two different stacks?
Thanks for the inventory check and fix. In my recollection, I actually have never experienced the selling problem, but I appreciate your help.
Edit: Originally, I was thinking the error occurred when a new stack needed to be created, but the number of stacks was already at its limit. However, I have 51 stacks and slauki had 40 stacks, so something else seems to be at work.
T-Man
12-12-2017, 11:59 PM
@Sparton what’s going on with the missing crimson dog fragments
For what its worth, I was just gifted the remaining frags by support to finally get him.
JJJ428
12-13-2017, 01:20 AM
I reached out to support and they helped me with the missing fragments and any other achievements I claimed and did not get the rewards for.
I'm curious as to why skill shards don't stack....
I get a drop of 9 from a vortex fill.. they show up as - 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2 - rather than just 9. I've actually gotten the "over the limit" message due to this. Forcing me to use a few Skill shards before I could do anything else.
T-Man
12-13-2017, 04:18 AM
I'm curious as to why skill shards don't stack....
I get a drop of 9 from a vortex fill.. they show up as - 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2 - rather than just 9. I've actually gotten the "over the limit" message due to this. Forcing me to use a few Skill shards before I could do anything else.
You had an over the limit on skill shards? Never seen that one before.
scott-5496
12-13-2017, 10:21 AM
For what its worth, I was just gifted the remaining frags by support to finally get him.
Me too. Michelle and Jerry sorted me out with my 'missing' 25 frags.
slauki
12-13-2017, 03:46 PM
regarding the stack split problems from yesterday:
i watched it closely this time and the game was able to write another stack of 3* shards, despite me having 999. unforunatly i had 992 3* shards and exactly another 7 dropped, so the stack was 100% complete. so i cannot say what would have been if 8 or more dropped. but i will pay more attention to this. will cross another 999 line tomorrow.
so far i can tell: getting more than 999 was not possible yesterday but it is today. we just have to isolate the reason now. either the fixes from CS made it possible or the lucky fact that i filled the first stack up completly, so new drops would open a complete new stack without problems.
You had an over the limit on skill shards? Never seen that one before.
It was just "over the limit" on shards, not skill shards specifically. The way skill shards don't stack causes them to take up several slots at once, that can cause the "over the limit" message since you can't expand the shard/stone list at all even if you wanted to.
Liebhild
12-13-2017, 06:54 PM
And will the ridiculous offense bonus be reduced to a not so LOLable level???
It is not just me noticing that there is something wrong.
Example:
Astra on offence can stun ALL toons, my own fully sharded Astra most of the time stuns noone, if then maybe one
For what its worth, I was just gifted the remaining frags by support to finally get him.
Good to hear. Hopefully they address the trooper problem as well. I’ve been sitting on 199/200 for the crimson dog for 3 weeks. 3 times now I’ve completed the achievement to get him using a troopers toon but have not received credit for it.
And will the ridiculous offense bonus be reduced to a not so LOLable level???
It is not just me noticing that there is something wrong.
Example:
Astra on offence can stun ALL toons, my own fully sharded Astra most of the time stuns noone, if then maybe one
I thought that was just me seeing that. I wondered why my max'ed out Astra hardly every stuns anyone. Might also explain why GRE ALWAYS triggers it's extra turns when the AI is playing in it PvP. Yet my GRE triggers the extra turn once every 5 times.
Devs - weird bug just popped up in pvp. Was playing when my Astra was killed. Revived her with VHE and none of her attack’s would hit the enemy. Perfect hit it or not every time she attacked it just showed “miss” all over the screen and the enemy took no damage. I revived her twice actually and same thing she could not land a hit.
They were not invincible and negative effects would still proc (permadeath) but no damage.
Luckily I won the match but it took nearly 10 minutes.
druid138
12-14-2017, 06:33 PM
Yes, I have several types of items with a 999 stack plus another stack. So, sometimes the rollover seems to work. Maybe it works if I'm at 999 in a stack and a new stack gets created with the drop, but it fails if I'm at <999 in a stack and the drop puts me over 999. That is, maybe the failure occurs due to having to "write" to two different stacks?
Sparton - I just got my first MACL12 since reset on LoL, after dozens of runs. I checked my shard count and was at 993 3* shards in one stack. My belief is that the run generating the error would have dropped >6 of them. This would support the "write to two different stacks" theory.
Dank Brew
12-14-2017, 06:37 PM
Well crap. My Tailgunner Eddie disappeared at some point. I know I wouldn't sacrifice a non dupe Eddie. Hopefully I can get him back at some point... I wanted to use him before but now... dang! He could be a beast!
Also, Really excited to see a fix for counter/revenge... By far the worst bug that ever occurred lol
Sparton_LOTB
12-14-2017, 06:49 PM
Sparton - I just got my first MACL12 since reset on LoL, after dozens of runs. I checked my shard count and was at 993 3* shards in one stack. My belief is that the run generating the error would have dropped >6 of them. This would support the "write to two different stacks" theory.
Was this a battle that concluded at around 10:20 AM (approx 13 minutes before your post)?
druid138
12-14-2017, 06:52 PM
Was this a battle that concluded at around 10:20 AM (approx 13 minutes before your post)?
Yes, that's the one.
IceManFerrar
12-14-2017, 06:54 PM
Hey Sparton, will the Tailgunner Eddie “Roar” Skill change also apply to Soldier Eddie who has the same skill?
slauki
12-14-2017, 07:06 PM
Sparton - I just got my first MACL12 since reset on LoL, after dozens of runs. I checked my shard count and was at 993 3* shards in one stack. My belief is that the run generating the error would have dropped >6 of them. This would support the "write to two different stacks" theory.
i'm pretty sure macl12 in LOL is related to shard splitting. as i used my red shards game never crashed again. unfortunatly the next two days gave me clean 999 shards, so there was no shard splitting involved. i really wanted to prove this theory, but the game didn't let me this time. next try on sunday... but in fact the only two lol crashes i had, happend as i had 995 3* red shards. and i played A LOT lol this week (11 droids). so very little doubt in this theory.
Dank Brew
12-14-2017, 07:09 PM
(11 droids)
Holy crap man. Did you play in your sleep or what?! Lmao
Sparton_LOTB
12-14-2017, 07:12 PM
Yes, that's the one.
k, Thanks for the confirmation. I'll work with our QA to ensure a bug is entered in our system to track this; your theory may be right, but it's hard to tell from the transaction history I have access to.
Hey Sparton, will the Tailgunner Eddie “Roar” Skill change also apply to Soldier Eddie who has the same skill?
It will; I'll update our final tuning notes table to reflect that.
i'm pretty sure macl12 in LOL is related to shard splitting. as i used my red shards game never crashed again. unfortunatly the next two days gave me clean 999 shards, so there was no shard splitting involved. i really wanted to prove this theory, but the game didn't let me this time. next try on sunday... but in fact the only two lol crashes i had, happend as i had 995 3* red shards. and i played A LOT lol this week (11 droids). so very little doubt in this theory.
I don't suppose you happen to recall when approximately you tipped over to 999 on a stack, do you? Seeing that in your transaction history may help with eliminating some possibilities for how the bug is occurring.
Devs - weird bug just popped up in pvp. Was playing when my Astra was killed. Revived her with VHE and none of her attack’s would hit the enemy. Perfect hit it or not every time she attacked it just showed “miss” all over the screen and the enemy took no damage. I revived her twice actually and same thing she could not land a hit.
They were not invincible and negative effects would still proc (permadeath) but no damage.
Luckily I won the match but it took nearly 10 minutes.
Just to confirm, did that match conclude around the time you posted that?
druid138
12-14-2017, 07:30 PM
Sparton - any chance that we'll see an increase to character slots soon? I know there are some technical issues related to it, and I appreciate the recent increases. But, new characters are coming fast and furious lately.
Sparton_LOTB
12-14-2017, 07:33 PM
Sparton - any chance that we'll see an increase to character slots soon? I know there are some technical issues related to it, and I appreciate the recent increases. But, new characters are coming fast and furious lately.
Yeah, based on my last count (which counts some upcoming characters that aren't available yet), we're at 205 collectable characters, but only 200 max slots. Thankfully, the last increase in max inventory sizes hasn't caused problems so far, so we'll be upping the max character inventory slots you can get in this next update.
druid138
12-14-2017, 07:37 PM
Yeah, based on my last count (which counts some upcoming characters that aren't available yet), we're at 205 collectable characters, but only 200 max slots. Thankfully, the last increase in max inventory sizes hasn't caused problems so far, so we'll be upping the max character inventory slots you can get in this next update.
Hallelujah, man! Best news of the week!
Dank Brew
12-14-2017, 07:48 PM
That's awesome news! Finally more character slots! Hoarders unite!
Talilgunner Laugh and Roar --- "Ability Skill Level Added" -- Does that mean an additional skill shard for those abilities? Just curious My Tailgunner is maxed.... will it NOT be after the tuning, requiring 2 more skill shards?
Also.. any thoughts on adding to Navigator's Fury? Fury is supposed to be a max hit surpassing all other abilities is it not? Navigator's fury is terribly underpowered.
JJJ428
12-14-2017, 07:56 PM
Spartan not sure if this would be considered giving anything away but do you consider all the idol and hearts as collectible characters? If that's the case we have two new characters coming or if you don't consider that means we have eight on the horizon.
Yeah, based on my last count (which counts some upcoming characters that aren't available yet), we're at 205 collectable characters, but only 200 max slots. Thankfully, the last increase in max inventory sizes hasn't caused problems so far, so we'll be upping the max character inventory slots you can get in this next update.
For curiosity, which characters you consider collectable?
Also, will be a fix for counter attacks not triggering shields. Example: I attack with a character who gains void shield for my team, the opposite team has a counter that attacks back, example wrath, when he hits my shield it doesn't remove the beneficial effects from his team. It happens to any shield when is attacked by counters.
slauki
12-14-2017, 08:01 PM
I don't suppose you happen to recall when approximately you tipped over to 999 on a stack, do you? Seeing that in your transaction history may help with eliminating some possibilities for how the bug is occurring.
i can tell you pretty exactly when that happened because i complained about in on a chat... it was tuesday around 20:30 german time (11:30 pst i think) i had two crashes very close to each other (4 or 5 rounds difference). after that i upgraded 3 toons to L100 and went on farming. game never crashed again since then.
Holy crap man. Did you play in your sleep or what?! Lmao
thank god i have a very fast autofarming team and a lot of ironite to burn ;) i rarely refill at all, but this time i needed (or wanted to store) some evo material and figured this might be the right spot to go for it ;)
Just to confirm, did that match conclude around the time you posted that?
Yep, just moments before I posted.
Sparton_LOTB
12-14-2017, 08:57 PM
Talilgunner Laugh and Roar --- "Ability Skill Level Added" -- Does that mean an additional skill shard for those abilities? Just curious My Tailgunner is maxed.... will it NOT be after the tuning, requiring 2 more skill shards?
Yeah, it'll take one more skill shard to max out the indicated skills. The game saves how many skill shards you've invested for any given character, not how far away you are from max level.
Also.. any thoughts on adding to Navigator's Fury? Fury is supposed to be a max hit surpassing all other abilities is it not? Navigator's fury is terribly underpowered.
A Fury is meant to be something that can cause a turning point in a match, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll always do extremely high damage. In Navigator Eddie's case, his Fury will grant his entire team Class Advantage (which can greatly increase their damage output, depending on the normal class advantages/disadvantages they would have), and will also Blind all enemies to make it more likely they'll have no effect, so it is serving the purpose we intend for him.
Spartan not sure if this would be considered giving anything away but do you consider all the idol and hearts as collectible characters? If that's the case we have two new characters coming or if you don't consider that means we have eight on the horizon.
For curiosity, which characters you consider collectable?.
I'm considering a "collectable character" as anything you can get in your character inventory that is unique from another character in terms of name, stat scaling at a given rarity, etc.
So yeah, your starting Eddie is a collectable character, the achievement-earnable Grim Reaper Eddie is a collectable character, and pretty much anything you can get from any kind of soul would be considered a collectable character (which includes all different variations of Sacrificial Heart, Strong Sacrificial Heart, etc).
Examples of non-collectable characters would be characters like Horus or the Dragon King (bosses in Kingdom of the Sands and the Brave New World respectively), as they're not collectable at this time.
Also, will be a fix for counter attacks not triggering shields. Example: I attack with a character who gains void shield for my team, the opposite team has a counter that attacks back, example wrath, when he hits my shield it doesn't remove the beneficial effects from his team. It happens to any shield when is attacked by counters.
I believe that's a knock-on due to a fix that stopped infinitely reflecting damage from reflect shields. That still needs to be looked into.
i can tell you pretty exactly when that happened because i complained about in on a chat... it was tuesday around 20:30 german time (11:30 pst i think) i had two crashes very close to each other (4 or 5 rounds difference). after that i upgraded 3 toons to L100 and went on farming. game never crashed again since then.
Good to know; I'll add that info to our internal ticket for the issue.
Yep, just moments before I posted.
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JJJ428
12-14-2017, 09:05 PM
So two new characters yet to come. looks like now the fun part for us begins figuring out which events will offer them. 😁
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Username Ezz-3216
Yeah, it'll take one more skill shard to max out the indicated skills. The game saves how many skill shards you've invested for any given character, not how far away you are from max level.
Okay, not a problem. Just curious.
A Fury is meant to be something that can cause a turning point in a match, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll always do extremely high damage. In Navigator Eddie's case, his Fury will grant his entire team Class Advantage (which can greatly increase their damage output, depending on the normal class advantages/disadvantages they would have), and will also Blind all enemies to make it more likely they'll have no effect, so it is serving the purpose we intend for him.
Fair enough. The Class Adv and Blind is decent. I guess I'll deal with less damage :)
Thanks!
T-Man
12-15-2017, 04:08 AM
Had several errors lately as well. Macl is it? Last one was a few minutes ago in BnW Fear lvl 9. Was about to put the DK away and error, must restart. 15 SoT lost. Trooper badges lost? :(
Not sure if this has anything to do with the stacks. Will look into that.
Edit to add:
I have a few shard stacks at 999 with a second stack of a few hundred or something like that. I didn’t have any other shard stacks that were nearing the max of 999 though. Is there a total limit of all shard stacks as well?
slauki
12-17-2017, 11:05 AM
hey sparton, just for info: had 998 yellow 3* shards and 7 dropped in the LOL. the game was able to create a new stack without crashing. so either the fixes to my account worked or somethings else is cooking. the fixes didn't work for druid as it seems...
Inishmore
12-18-2017, 07:07 AM
Hi Everybody I couldn't find anything on the topic so I ask here: Tailgunner Eddie is getting quite a treat in the upcoming update. Especially is he going to be a rather physical damager. However I just realised that his "Second Chance" move is not being adapted. But that means he will be dealing physical damage but with this move which will remain a true damage dealer. Is that intentional or have I overlooked something?
Sparton_LOTB
12-18-2017, 07:17 PM
Hi Everybody I couldn't find anything on the topic so I ask here: Tailgunner Eddie is getting quite a treat in the upcoming update. Especially is he going to be a rather physical damager. However I just realised that his "Second Chance" move is not being adapted. But that means he will be dealing physical damage but with this move which will remain a true damage dealer. Is that intentional or have I overlooked something?
It looks like Kaz realized this as well at some point in the last week or so and made changes to make this do physical damage (among some other tweaks). I'll make sure this is reflected in the final tuning notes that will go live when the upcoming update is released.
MisterEly
12-18-2017, 09:36 PM
Maintenance at 2:00 pm PST, is this the update? :)
scott-5496
12-18-2017, 10:20 PM
Think it is as it was a hot fix type for me. Can confirm that Viking Eddie now back to 65% chances as opposed to 100% on Call to Arms.
Sparton_LOTB
12-18-2017, 10:27 PM
The full update patch notes are now live (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?9366).
Closing this thread.
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