Doubts on what to shard next... (Corrupt General, The Witch Doctor, GPDog)

[Sponholz]

Just correcting the title... "Doubts on who to shard next..." :confused:


Hi all!!!

Title says it all, I have some shard saved (8), and I am thinking about sharding one of these 3 chars...

Corrupt General (I know he needs 13, but 8 will hopefully make him already useful on arena).
Golden Pharaoh Dog (Used him on both defense and offense, and I really have doubts on spending shards on him, + healing is nice I know, but he is in the party for his passive most of the time).
The Witch Doctor (Well I love this guy... I believe he can effectively do some decent single target dmg, and his passive is usefull against General and Astra).

But I like then all and I do want to shard the best one for arena battle atm.

I use Pharaoh and Viking as my Eddies of choice (don't have, and probably wouldn't use VHE).

Maxed chars so far are:
Pharaoh
Viking
The Alchemist
Clair
Wrath
Eda
GCR
WUR

PS: Just recently I pulled Desert Marauder but for him to be effective I think I would need to lvl/shard/talis a couple of other toons, and probably wait for AHE or VHE.

Thanks in adv!

Cheers! Ed!

[Askora]

Witch doctor I can't really comment on, as I don't have him. I don't ever see him in arena though. CG is very rare as most teams have gunner Valkyrie for immunity. And, Gpd is useful without shards, with them he still doesn't hit hard.

Unless you've got some other decent candidates, my recommendation would be hold on to your skill shards for now.

[Sponholz]

Thanks for the reply Askora. (you are one of the top arena players here imo, so your opinion is really appreciated).

I will hold then for now.

In my humble opinion, I think that CG is the best of then, and I still think he would have some use even with the Sea-Of-Edas I was seeing last week, and most defenses with her and Astra went for a grind game, since my team is not the most explosive one. Leading to some games where the Normal Immunity on hit from Eda is most of the time removed by Clair.

And in most of the AoF fights, *if I don't go first and survive the 1st turn* the stun from CG would be a nice thing to have.

But so far I am having a fair bit of success against those teams with The Alchemist (his 2-for-1 power move is awesome on those fights). GPD was helping also, but usually someone dies anyway, even worst, with the last member of the defending team attacking, leading to another full team attack, making my team getting wiped from the face of the earth on the first turn.

Fast fights tho... lol

Edit: Remembered a couple of other usefull chars I could level/shard:
Magus Child of the Damned (Honestly don't know if he is worth it, he appears to be the weakest of the CotD).
Magus & Gunner Undead Rescuer (Magus is awesome for farming AFAIK).



Cheers. Ed!

[Askora]

Thanks, don't know that I'm a top player as I usually don't push very hard in PvP. I do have a year of playing though, so that helps.

[Sponholz]

And what about Desert Marauder? I currently don't have the others chars needed to setup a good D with him, but I suppose he can be a solid addition to my offensive team, the more I play with, the more I tend to be moved away from using Wrath, I like him, he is a beast, but in a LOT of fights I wish I had a solid single target damager, and those spots belong to Nomad and Desert Marauder, or am I missing someone else here?

Feel free to take a look at my host and suggest some other char, if any.

Usually my team consists of Pharaoh, Eda, Clair and "X".

Cheers! Ed!

[Yup]

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Assassin Harpy
Assassin Child of the Damned
Alliance General
Lady Azov
Sentinel Myan Priestess
Magus Corrupt Rescuer
Alchemist
Witch Doctor
Magus Undead Rescuer


All can be single target hard hitters, some a bit better than others... but they need skill shards.

The Assassin Harpy, Witch Doctor, and Magus Undead Rescuer are probably the hardest hitting in that list doing 5 digit damage easily.

And for me, I prefer an Eddie with both multi and single target abilities.

[Sponholz]

Assassin Harpy
Assassin Child of the Damned
Alliance General
Lady Azov
Sentinel Myan Priestess
Magus Corrupt Rescuer
Alchemist
Witch Doctor
Magus Undead Rescuer


All can be single target hard hitters... but they need skill shards.


From that list I have:
Lady Azov
Magus Corrupt Rescuer
Alchemist (already fully sharded)
Witch Doctor
Magus Undead Rescuer

Looking further, the reason why I asked about desert marauder was mainly because of Alliance General, Desert Marauder usually hits him really hard, since he starts with at least 2 self buffs, commonly seen with 4 buffs (2-self, strike talis and shield from Val).

Lady Azov can hit hard I also think, while having a small chance to remove buffs.
MCR fills that spot also, with a big chance to steal all buffs on a basic attack.
Alchemist I'm a fan, but the does nothing against buff stealers.
Witch Doctor is shutdown by Eda, almost sharded him, took him for a series of battles and wasn't sure if the shards would be well spent for now, he will be for sure one day, I like this char design to much to pass on him.
MUR again, the most attractive things about him are the passive, which is again negated most of the time from Eda and Prisioner (dont have extra immunitys so far for him).

Taking the Sea-of-Edas that are on the defense team these days, I was thinking about DM cause he could be the better option to abuse enemy buffs, since stealing and removing gets a little difficult with PI involved.

Please take note, that I am therocrafting a lot here, so if something I am saying is mistaken, please feel free to criticize.

PS: I just love Pharaoh (and Viking) so I want to build a good attacking team with him, and he fights well VHE teams imo.

Cheers! Ed!

[slauki]

i opt for GPD. he hits like a wet noodle, but his passive and his heal are awesome. if you use him on offense and defense this would be a no brainer for me. sure he does his job even without shards but shards will give you some extra % for winning in tough spots since healing is crucial sometimes.

[Fudjo]

Easily Golden Pharaoh Dog. It's incredibly useful in the Brave New World gardens.

[Yup]

FYi Aces and DM.. even with Nomad.. will kill most teams... IF they get first strike... but they will lose almost all battles when they DON'T get first strike.

I had a defensive team with Aces, AoF, DM, and Nomad all full power and full talismans.. first strike was a one-turn wonder, killed all efficiently.... but lost almost every time if they failed to get first strike.

[Sponholz]

So with GPD what would be the best team setup?

Considering Pharaoh as the Eddie of choice.

Pharaoh, Eda, GPD and X I suppose... (Wrath for chance to remove buffs) no room for Clair?


Thanks for all the input so far! Keep them coming!

Cheers! Ed!

[Askora]

Something to bear in mind for the current meta, is buff stealers work pretty well. PI is broken in such a way that you can steal the buffs, but not simply remove them. Next update may change that, but there's usually some shift to the meta anyway.

DM is awesome against buffed toons, but need a thief oft they have immortal talismans.

[Sponholz]

Something to bear in mind for the current meta, is buff stealers work pretty well. PI is broken in such a way that you can steal the buffs, but not simply remove them. Next update may change that, but there's usually some shift to the meta anyway.

DM is awesome against buffed toons, but need a thief oft they have immortal talismans.

That is exactly why I was considering DM, even when PI is fixed, he will still be a hard hitter against buffed chars (looking at you General Mustachio).

And besides, he can take care of Astra most of the times either, even with Immortal talis, kill her with one volley of DM is priceless, I have done ir with my unsharded DM, hunter tali procced on first hit, IT WAS GLORIOUS!!!!

LOL, Good memories to keep...

I also love GPD and Pharaoh, Wrath, Eda, and GPD is a scary team on ofense. not that explosive, but a good team at least.

Oh... decisions... decisions... lol....

Cheers! Ed!

[Yup]

In terms of PvP, I've never had any issues with any team employing GPD. They are actually easier to kill than teams without the GPD.

I think perhaps because people assume the healing makes a big difference when it really doesn't. Go ahead and heal for 4-5k... if I'm doing 6-10k damage to all members of your team with 1 hit.. at best it may prolong the death, not prevent it. :D And as slauki so adequatly put it.... GPD hits like a wet noodle.

[slauki]

In terms of PvP, I've never had any issues with any team employing GPD. They are actually easier to kill than teams without the GPD.

I think perhaps because people assume the healing makes a big difference when it really doesn't. Go ahead and heal for 4-5k... if I'm doing 6-10k damage to all members of your team with 1 hit.. at best it may prolong the death, not prevent it. :D And as slauki so adequatly put it.... GPD hits like a wet noodle.

only issue is that he slows down everything :) yeah the heal isn't that important for an automated defense, but for offense it's crucial.

[Mariner-1212]

For PVP, the General gets my vote. The best PVP team setups are the ones that prevent your opponent from getting to attack you, and CG stuns all day long.

GPD is worth the shards eventually for things like BNW, but he's less fun for sure.

I don't have the Witch Doctor but I would shard him just because he looks so great and he'll probably end up getting a buff soon if he's not already a powerhouse.

[Ip4]

Assassin harpy is beast 1 on 1,if no true damage on enemy he kill on one attack,notmal damage 17k,critical 35k...

[Yup]

Assassin harpy is beast 1 on 1,if no true damage on enemy he kill on one attack,notmal damage 17k,critical 35k...

But she's easily disabled as well.. low magic resistance. And the 17k hits, even 35k hits, don't always kill. But she does hit hard :)

[Sponholz]

Hi all!

Thanks for all the info so far.

I have been testing some chars even without shards, and I'm having a lot of fun with either DM and Lady Azov, the chance to remove beneficial effects can remove buffs from the entire enemy team, the first time I read her ability I thought it was only from the target she would be hitting, and she appears to have a greater chance then Wrath on removing buffs.

DM paired with Pharaoh can do some serious dmg, even when not going first.

Corrupt General I really can't fully test because he needs the shards to show his value I guess. (But by design I like him the most, his ultimate can turn some fights, specially against General Mustachio).

The Witch Doctor is a hit or miss, pretty awesome, and pretty lackluster, there is no middle ground to him, when the opposing team have any kind of Immunity, which is pretty common nowadays, he is hurt in the process, making him a pretty standard char.

Don't have others to test, I am leveling Desert Guard ATM to test him out either.

And to all the lovers and haters on the GPD he is really good in any fights against Astra teams, as for only 5 power, he can heal (I suppose for and average of 10k after shards, still holding my shards [10 atm]) and prevent the Stun from her.


As always, cheers! Ed!

[Mariner-1212]

Corrupt General I really can't fully test because he needs the shards to show his value I guess......

.....Don't have others to test, I am leveling Desert Guard ATM to test him out either.

I'll put both of these out so you can see use/damage. General tonight (you'll see his stun proc on his basic), and then Desert guardian with echoes tomorrow. \m/

[Yup]

CG is a good bet.. only Edna can really make him less useful.

[Sponholz]

@Mariner

I would really appreciate that, after I test your CG I will probably shard mine, since I really like the way that char looks and the overal design behind him.

@Yup

I aggre, took mine unsharded for a few arena battles, and even with 15% he already stunned often, even on Eda teams. even preventing VHE from using hes ultimate, which is always nice.


I'm on the fence on him or Desert Marauder, both have their uses, DM can kill almost every char that the enemy have before they can gather resources...


Oh boy... decisions....

Cheers! Ed!