Keeping Rare souls for future event

[blade685]

Do you keep rare souls for future rare soul event?

[Patrice-1201]

Do you keep rare souls for future rare soul event?


yes i always keep all my souls for events that I might want to take part in, this is how I got most of my toons

[blade685]

yes i always keep all my souls for events that I might want to take part in, this is how I got most of my toons

i spoke only for rare souls only not ass rare souls legendary...because some times we have a rare soul event :)

[Yup]

I'm really bad at hoarding anything. I cash in what I have when I have it. But this has really been to try and get the characters I want. So I may be slowing that down now and start hoarding a few 4 and 5 star characters. I don't keep the actual souls though I see almost no benefit to dropping 99 souls into the BOS as opposed to 10. You end up with the same results either way.

[scott-5496]

Did one of the devs not say that when you get a soul the character is already selected then and not when you put into the Book of Souls? If I am remembering this correctly this means that if there is an event where you may get a special character you can't if you have a soul from pre-event time?

Either way I rarely hoard unless the month events note suggest there may be a need to hoard for vortex fills and the like - mostly I tend to BoS them straight away.

[Amarthir]

If there's a BoS legendary event, it's good to know in advance so you can hang on to your rare souls. Other than that, I don't see the value of holding on to them other than the feeling of winning more when you cash in a bunch at once.

[Patrice-1201]

Did one of the devs not say that when you get a soul the character is already selected then and not when you put into the Book of Souls? If I am remembering this correctly this means that if there is an event where you may get a special character you can't if you have a soul from pre-event time?

Either way I rarely hoard unless the month events note suggest there may be a need to hoard for vortex fills and the like - mostly I tend to BoS them straight away.

No it is the opposite, the character gets decided once you drop the soul in Eddie’s mouth

[blade685]

No it is the opposite, the character gets decided once you drop the soul in Eddie’s mouth

for me it is decided when you win the soul no?

[Yup]

No it is the opposite, the character gets decided once you drop the soul in Eddie’s mouth

I understand that in theory.. but then.. why..

can I drop a soul.. see it's character.. get a game crash... relaunch the game.. the same soul is there again.. I drop it a second time theoretically giving me the chance to get any character again.... yet I get the same character?

This has happened to me more times than I can count. And not just with individual souls.. drop 10 Maker souls.. see the 10 characters... crash.. relaunch, same 10 maker souls result in same 10 characters. If dropping determines what character. there's no way 10 souls give the same result.

Sorry. From my own personal experience, I feel the character is decided when you get the soul, not when you convert it.

[Patrice-1201]

I stand corrected, what I assumed is what I wrote as this was the answer I received from the LOTB community manager on Facebook however. After reading your response I turned off my network connections and drop fed souls to Eddie... they resulted in toons. So you are right. Each soul is decided as you are given them...

[Yup]

This is one reason I've never really harbored souls. Whatever character they are, is already determined. It's not like I'll ever get a NEW character that came out AFTER I got the soul.

[scott-5496]

Yeah - pretty sure decided when received, not when dropped in the BoS. I too have used BoS then had a crash and got the same toons after the crash - 6 or 7 it was when it happened and all of them were identical to the pre-crash bunch.

[blade685]

Yeah - pretty sure decided when received, not when dropped in the BoS. I too have used BoS then had a crash and got the same toons after the crash - 6 or 7 it was when it happened and all of them were identical to the pre-crash bunch.

yes same here, but if you keep rare souls and open them during an event with fragment in them you have fragment in old rare souls.
It is the reason i keep only the basic rare souls

[Yup]

Not sure I understand that, Blade. But yeah I think fragments can be anything new or old. I think your'e better off stockpiling fragments than souls.

[blade685]

Not sure I understand that, Blade. But yeah I think fragments can be anything new or old. I think your'e better off stockpiling fragments than souls.

you didn't understand my words :)
i speak of fragment in rare souls during event not fragment in our stock :)

[Yup]

Oh, you mean those events where rare souls suddenly also drop fragments for other souls... yeah.. That can happen your'e right.

[blade685]

Oh, you mean those events where rare souls suddenly also drop fragments for other souls... yeah.. That can happen your'e right.

yes i keep it only for that

[Askora]

I understand that in theory.. but then.. why..

can I drop a soul.. see it's character.. get a game crash... relaunch the game.. the same soul is there again.. I drop it a second time theoretically giving me the chance to get any character again.... yet I get the same character?

This has happened to me more times than I can count. And not just with individual souls.. drop 10 Maker souls.. see the 10 characters... crash.. relaunch, same 10 maker souls result in same 10 characters. If dropping determines what character. there's no way 10 souls give the same result.

Sorry. From my own personal experience, I feel the character is decided when you get the soul, not when you convert it.


I stand corrected, what I assumed is what I wrote as this was the answer I received from the LOTB community manager on Facebook however. After reading your response I turned off my network connections and drop fed souls to Eddie... they resulted in toons. So you are right. Each soul is decided as you are given them...

I think the toon is decided when you drop the soul in the BoS. The reason you get the same toon if it crashes (or is force closed) when you drop the soul is due to the game using the same seed value for the RNG. Probably set up that way to prevent people from dropping the same soul until they get what they want.

If it was decided when you get the soul, how do you explain people who have pulled a newly released toon from an old soul? I think of it more as the soul has a particular numerical value. Because the odds of pulling a character from a soul change when new toons are added, that value could point at a different character. Same thing if they increase the odds for getting a 4 or 5 star toon. :D

[Patrice-1201]

I think the toon is decided when you drop the soul in the BoS. The reason you get the same toon if it crashes (or is force closed) when you drop the soul is due to the game using the same seed value for the RNG. Probably set up that way to prevent people from dropping the same soul until they get what they want.

If it was decided when you get the soul, how do you explain people who have pulled a newly released toon from an old soul? I think of it more as the soul has a particular numerical value. Because the odds of pulling a character from a soul change when new toons are added, that value could point at a different character. Same thing if they increase the odds for getting a 4 or 5 star toon. :D

That was my thinking until i turned off my 4G and wifi and dropped souls in Eddie's mouth... toons came out. They did not register as the game crashed when i got out of the Book of Souls but when i restarted with internet back on... ta...dah... same toons!

[Askora]

That was my thinking until i turned off my 4G and wifi and dropped souls in Eddie's mouth... toons came out. They did not register as the game crashed when i got out of the Book of Souls but when i restarted with internet back on... ta...dah... same toons!

Yes, but if the seed for the RNG is synced with the server that is exactly what would happen. The number to pick the toon will stay the same until the seed gets updated,
meaning you'd get the same toon. But, when a new toon is introduced that same number might point at a different toon as the odds have changed.

[FarmerEddie]

Hey guys. I don't want to throw fuel on the fire, but the the character does seem to be decided when you drop it in the book of souls. Take the demon gang event for example. I got all of the demons except the gunner hellraiser and the purple trickster from hoarded up souls. As for what Yup and Patrice are saying, I seem to recall Sparton mentioning it was a system to prevent exploits. The way I understand it the game syncs with the servers to save the info the moment the eyes light up.

Cheers

[scott-5496]

I guess this needs clarified by the devs then! To be honest I was trying to remember a post by Sparton so I may have got it wrong as it was a while back. Either way can the devs please clarify as it does make a difference!

Cheers

[PerthEddie]

I remember a few months after I started playing I pulled a Carriage Rider Eddie only for the game to crash before I got the OK button to press. I was gutted as I thought I had lost him. When I restarted the game and dropped the same Soul in again I still got him. This would tie in with what a few have said about preventing exploits.

[FarmerEddie]

Hey guys. Hoping to be able to shed a bit more light on this topic. So, a few hours after the Unholy Legacy event started, I logged into the game, read the event info from the menu then went straight to the Book of Souls. I did not claim, buy or earn any new rare G/A soul since a few days before the event started. Opened 10 of them from my stockpile and BAM! Out pops Beast Eddie.

Seems to me we may have our answer here folks. Hope it helps in your decision-making.

[hold]

Hey guys. Hoping to be able to shed a bit more light on this topic. So, a few hours after the Unholy Legacy event started, I logged into the game, read the event info from the menu then went straight to the Book of Souls. I did not claim, buy or earn any new rare G/A soul since a few days before the event started. Opened 10 of them from my stockpile and BAM! Out pops Beast Eddie.

Seems to me we may have our answer here folks. Hope it helps in your decision-making.

That's interesting because I tried that:

I still had an immortal soul and opened it now as the new beast did not show in the list - BUT:

-- I play on 2 devices let's name them A and B :)
-- Game was started on A and I went to the book of souls. I switched off Internet, Network and even put the device in flight mode. Opened the soul and a E the Great jumped out (dupe). So I force quit the game and left internet connection off. There was no way of communicating with the server.
-- Started on B and went to the book of souls - siwtched internet off / flight mode and opened the soul - guess what? E the Great!
-- With internet off on A I deinstalled the game, switched internet back on and reinstalled -> E the Great.

I will try that again with some rare souls and probably 10 common souls as well. But it seems that at least the Immortal soul was predefined. Maybe they all are and whenever a new char comes out the souls she / he is in will be rerolled? That would explain something ... maybe somebody else wants to test that theory as well? maybe somebody with an emulator because it's faster with backing up and restore very quick.

An explanation would be very very interesting. But it's awkward so we won't get an answer ... as with all the other weird shit that's going on.

[hold]

That's interesting because I tried that:

I still had an immortal soul and opened it now as the new beast did not show in the list - BUT:

-- I play on 2 devices let's name them A and B :)
-- Game was started on A and I went to the book of souls. I switched off Internet, Network and even put the device in flight mode. Opened the soul and a E the Great jumped out (dupe). So I force quit the game and left internet connection off. There was no way of communicating with the server.
-- Started on B and went to the book of souls - siwtched internet off / flight mode and opened the soul - guess what? E the Great!
-- With internet off on A I deinstalled the game, switched internet back on and reinstalled -> E the Great.

I will try that again with some rare souls and probably 10 common souls as well. But it seems that at least the Immortal soul was predefined. Maybe they all are and whenever a new char comes out the souls she / he is in will be rerolled? That would explain something ... maybe somebody else wants to test that theory as well? maybe somebody with an emulator because it's faster with backing up and restore very quick.

An explanation would be very very interesting. But it's awkward so we won't get an answer ... as with all the other weird shit that's going on.

What I described above I just tried with a rare G/A soul.

-- Switched Internet connection off on one device (A) and entered book of souls - opened soul --> Desert Golem
-- Internet still off and force quit the game and I deleted all data
-- Started the game on device B with Internet still off on A --> Desert Golem

Sure it could a coincidence but I really really doubt it.

The devs once claimed (long time ago - too lazy to search the thread) the char is decided when the soul hits the book of souls. I will try a few more souls but right now the data points to that this is a plain lie.

What leaves a bit of a bad taste. Why we should believe:

- there is no defense bonus
- that the distribution of chars (4* / 5*) is equal
- that the weird coincidences multiple characters in a row despite the odds are very much against it)

Care to explain that phenomenon, devs? Or is it just another inconvenient fact that hopefully will go away and be buried in the depths of the forum? If every week at least one person would do this test as well we could keep the thread alive as long as we get an answer.


Whoever is using an emultator and know how to quick backup and restore - please try yourself - so much faster that on a mobile device. The bug infested software is not running in Linux on an emulator unfortunately.

Weird is that FarmerEddie got a Beast out of an old soul. But a valid theory here would be. Whenever a new char is released all the souls are rerolled in which the char could appear. Any other ideas?

[blade685]

many strange things in that game :)

[FarmerEddie]

What I described above I just tried with a rare G/A soul.

-- Switched Internet connection off on one device (A) and entered book of souls - opened soul --> Desert Golem
-- Internet still off and force quit the game and I deleted all data
-- Started the game on device B with Internet still off on A --> Desert Golem

Sure it could a coincidence but I really really doubt it.

The devs once claimed (long time ago - too lazy to search the thread) the char is decided when the soul hits the book of souls. I will try a few more souls but right now the data points to that this is a plain lie.

What leaves a bit of a bad taste. Why we should believe:

- there is no defense bonus
- that the distribution of chars (4* / 5*) is equal
- that the weird coincidences multiple characters in a row despite the odds are very much against it)

Care to explain that phenomenon, devs? Or is it just another inconvenient fact that hopefully will go away and be buried in the depths of the forum? If every week at least one person would do this test as well we could keep the thread alive as long as we get an answer.


Whoever is using an emultator and know how to quick backup and restore - please try yourself - so much faster that on a mobile device. The bug infested software is not running in Linux on an emulator unfortunately.

Weird is that FarmerEddie got a Beast out of an old soul. But a valid theory here would be. Whenever a new char is released all the souls are rerolled in which the char could appear. Any other ideas?

A reroll of the souls would make sense as it's not the first time something like that happens. I hoard my souls for events like that. (Demon gang, valkyrie and Mayan events), and usually I'll score one or more of the new toons from hoarded souls.

That being said Hold's tests point to a completely different answer. I doubt very much either of us is lying, so a refill of the souls seems to make lots of sense.

As for the Immortal Soul not containing Beast Eddie, I believe those are static and are not updated. My immortal fragments don't show him as a drop either. I don't have any "Old" immortal fragments left from last year, but does anyone know if they still only contain the possible drops from the first year only?

[Stormseye]

Not sure it even matters what color the souls are for me. It will be a WAR Troll, Wickerman or Undead Rescuer.... just got my 3rd and 4rd Wickerman off a Rare soul and a Warrior rare soul. Two trolls in two weeks, 4 wickermen in 3 weeks and 4 Undead Rescuers within 4 weeks.