Off-topic posts and general negativity [Archive]

Askora

03-18-2018, 04:24 PM

Reading through the forum lately and sometimes it seems like the spambots would be better.

Posts being moved to a new thread that is relevant to the complaints doesn't mean the topic is being buried. If they really were burying it, they could just delete the posts they didn't like. My impression is they give us a lot of leeway, but when it gets too far out of hand they step in.

All the complaints about the events get old too. Did they mess up the data with this last one? Yes. For those who sent a support ticket and got it resolved, did it ruin the game because you didn't have the gold immediately after the sacrifice? Highly doubtful, just a little inconvenience.

People calling the dream of ironite a cash grab was just silly. I ended the week with more ironite than I started and a guaranteed skill shard a day. Seems like a win to me. How is that a cash grab? Because you couldn't buy out the store with what was earned. That's not the way it works.

My guess is that a lot of the complaints stem from overspending on an event and not getting what you wanted. Should they reveal the odds? Yes, or at least give a reason for not doing so. We already know they're low, knowing them won't change them and most likely people would still complain about it. Write Apple, continue to question NF, but that doesn't require hijacking threads and being a blemish on the community.

Most of the events are designed to deplete one resource or another. That's the way it works. It's why some of those are available for real money in the store. To entice you and thereby make money for NF so they can go on another day. But, overall the game is very playable for minimum or no investment so I think they've done an excellent job on balancing the freemium play.

Hopefully the last major update fixed a bug that was causing many of the issues, and the subsequent hotfix has seemed to not bring many new issues and only fixed skills. Keep optimistic. The tour will ideally be a catalyst for many of the new features.

Amarthir

03-18-2018, 05:31 PM

Personally, I'm really looking forward to the Assassin Hellhound event. If it's true that you'll be able to collect Lilith soul fragments then I'm sure that will make alot of people really happy. However I'm sure there will be those players who feel like this is another P2W event when, realistically, the entire game is pretty free to play if you don't waste your ironite on buying souls.

As for the recent load of negativity, some of it is justified, alot of it isn't. But most of the things people are upset about aren't really a big deal in my opinion, this current event is pretty boring but it's not like you're forced to participate, this is just about making some extra gold and if you have a castle's worth of it, you can buy yourself some talismans. The Dream of Ironite was pretty neat, it's not what I expected but it's an extra sum of Ironite which is better than no ironite.

Reeb99

03-18-2018, 05:40 PM

Well said, both of you. I really liked the daily skill shards last week. I don't get the complaints about the ironite and sacrifice events, either. The bugs introduced last week seem to be fixed. If any others are left, people should list them so they can be fixed.

I'm not saying there aren't bugs, but in general they seem to get fixed in a timely manor.

Askora

03-18-2018, 05:45 PM

Exactly! I'm not close to a vortex, so not participating much in this one. Hellhound will be in LoL based on us getting fragments of Lilith souls. People will probably complain that the drops for those are too low. I'm assuming they won't fall like rain. Lilith souls are the long term goal and might take a while to get enough to claim one. I expect the hellhound will be like the others and it's very easy to usually claim 3 event souls with almost zero investment.

JJJ428

03-18-2018, 06:31 PM

I think a lot of it is just people have reached their limit and they are unjustifiable attacking everything now. I think a lot of it is over reactions and Askora pointed it out the best while this current event had some hiccups it was far from the end of the world. I also thought the dream of ironite was a great event as well. One thing a lot of players have issues with it is the devs need to make events that please beginners and end game players alike so not every event can deliver tons of things that take 1000 battles to win. There were pieces in the dream event that were perfect for beginners, getting 40 ironite a day basically doing what people always do without much difficulty. And also they had some nice high level items that if you already had a ton of ironite could have been worth investing in. Same thing for this event if you are close to a vortex fill or have tons of gold lying around feel free to participate.

The one complaint I have seen a lot that makes no sense is people constantly complaining this is a pay to win game and in my experience this couldn't be further from the truth. I have made two ironite purchases and one talismans purchase the entire time of playing this game and honestly I could take those purchases back and it wouldn't set me back much at all. I feel I have just about everything in this game and compete at a semi high level. That be saying said it may not be a pay to win but if not it can certainly be a grind to win game. I do put the time in to get as far as I have and not have to pay for it. Perhaps where the disconnect comes from people are not willing to put the time in or can't (I understand people have lives) so they see the only way to compete is to pay up but to me does not make it pay to win. Its just pay if you do not have the time and want things quicker. Which to me is fine and a perfectly acceptable business model. I have heard the horror stories out there about true play to win games and thankfully that's not the situation we have here.

The two points that are getting a lot of attention and well deserved is the not disclosing of odds and the bugs. The not disclosing of outs has just gotten crazy at this point. I feel they are quite transparent and open about a lot of things but ever since the news hit about being required to display odds they have been too quiet. I have yet to understand what's the big deal just disclose them already and be done with it. You can try and argue it isn't a problem that they are not disclosing it but it my understanding that the latest update got hung up by apple because of that very reason they are not complying with actual rules. Those rules should be followed and will quiet down a lot of people.

Secondly the bugs, while I get it bugs happen and you can't plan for every possible combination of effects and I feel some people could let a lot of that slide, however there always seems to be some very glaring ones that seem almost impossible to be missed. As most of us know by now the AOF glitch was suppose to be fixed MONTHS ago, and at the last second they realized it wasn't and I could have sworn we were told they had someone specifically working on that issue and it still has not been resolved. Its gone on for so long I do not even see people complaining about it any more. Also for me the point of golden buffs not being reduced in time. This was mentioned two months ago and was missed and we have since had another update and its still not corrected. To me if you are going to announce bugs you are correcting and are not able to in time for the current fix it better be fixed by the next update.

I think things like these are not too much to ask, the problem is these things are not being address and to lash out people are picking apart every little thing and it isn't warranted. I feel bad for the devs some time its like every little thing they do gets ripped apart by people on the forums and because they do their best to please the large spectrum of players it causes a lot of very local ones to get quite pissed off.

hold

03-18-2018, 07:56 PM

If a company starts to use language to prey on the addiction of gamblers without disclosing the odds (as mandatory by Apple now) I assume foul play. Until this company does proof me wrong I will continue calling it out. The fanboys can blow sugar up the dev's arses as long as they want but in just this one case I am in the right. I said it before that I am very happy to be the arsehole here but crawling up the butts of the devs has gotten us nowhere.

If the gamblers want to continue gambling - up to them. But I want to know what I am up against. It's really really simple.

I also mentioned how much I enjoyed the first half of 2017 - it wasn't bug free at all but there was progress. Real progress and not just more chars and talismans that brought even more bug and weird shit. I need to crawl the forum but Sparton once said that with every char or addition the meta is getting more complicated. Fine - I get that - I believe that - for FFS sort out the long standing bugs first before you make the mess even bigger. It's not rocket sience.

What brings me back to the bugs. If major bugs with updates would be the exception - everybody does make mistakes and we are all human - I wouldn't complain at all. The sad truth is that introducing major new bugs with updates is the norm. I really don't get how people can defend this any longer - but I also don't have to get it but I also won't be silent about it.

My main points are and still haven't changed:
- disclose the drop rates
- deliver an update that is not a mess / rushed / untested -> implement some sort of QA

We are on the same page wanting a better game. But sitting back and hoping clearly hasn't worked.

P.S: And there is not much to defend about an event where you end up with less of the ressource you need by taking part of it. I get it - no major deal - just don't participate. What I do question in this case - is there any thought spent or are just random numbers made up in general?

P.P.S: To drain the ironite in one event and advertise it to trigger the gambler's addiction (with shit undisclosed odds) and offer cool shit for ironite in the next one to trigger the addiction again is (as somebody else called it) a recipe for milking the players. There is for example a reason in Europe to protect from gambling. Did you know that Belgium is discussing a law to forbid games with loot boxes entirely? It's not just about: "you don't have to take part" - it's also a psychological game to grab money from the psychological week - again foul play without disclosing the adds. Good for you if you don't fall for it - be happy (I'm one of those lucky mofos as well) - but I will stand up for the one's with that addiction to let them know at least the odds. There is one thing I hate by heart: Exploiting people!

P.P.P.S: I really don't like Apple and everything they stand for (walled gardens and exploiting people themselves) but I have huge respect for them to put the foot down on the monkey business with those sorts of games that has been going on way too long.

P.P.P.P.S: I would even buy shit once in a while (30 day ironite I like) but I will only do it if the devs start to play nice and deliver quality. I'm not supporting foul play and a stream of bugs - no f*cking way ...

Askora

03-18-2018, 08:19 PM

I don't think anyone has a problem with people calling them out on the odds. It's more a matter of how. An event thread should be info relevant to the event. Update threads relevant to updates. The forum should be constructive and it's far more useful when it's utilized properly. By all means post your gripes, but try to stick with the thread topic.

Every freemium game is based on having some resource you need that is either difficult or impossible to grind for. Despite all the complaints, this game is actually relatively generous compared to a lot of the other games I've seen. Other than disclosing the odds, fixing bugs and new content what do you think would improve the game? The souls are a loot box by nature, do you want guaranteed characters for a premium price? Pay to win! Give away enough resources to buy out the store? Quick way to bankruptcy!

As I've stated I'm willing to see how the logic bug fix plays out. I think it may be one of the core improvements that makes future updates far less bug-prone The new content, I'm hoping starts soon with the tour approaching.

hold

03-18-2018, 08:27 PM

... this game is actually relatively generous compared to a lot of the other games I've seen.

I said it on the other thread: To be less wrong than others doesn't make you right! To be honest: I'd rather pay 30 (or X) Euro for a game and have it instead of the constant milking the players. I'm glad that companies and governments are cracking down on those scams. I rather pay 5 Euro for every new world and so on ... but that is my personal opinion - I know others think different.

Other than disclosing the odds, fixing bugs and new content what do you think would improve the game?

Please read that out loud but slowly ...

kkkreg5

03-18-2018, 08:38 PM

At this point, I really don't care about new content. I would much rather NF focus on fixing the constant bugs. Was the base code really that fucked that it has NF basically chasing their tails to fix them? If it was, then shut it down, fix them ALL and relaunch. We are fast approaching the 2 year anniversary and the big European tour. I wouldn't mind the break from the game. I think I would be ready and energized! I still wouldn't play PVP or BNW, but just to have no glitches would be great!

I think the odds are somewhat skewed. They are constantly changing that they can't disclose them without completely destroying the model. I would think this is the reason why some get one long sought after character, only to have him/her appear again right after.

Askora

03-18-2018, 08:47 PM

Except you're arguing against everything, even if the odds were disclosed you make it out to be that's not enough for that aspect. If you're unhappy with the way the revenue stream is made for the game, my thoughts are: Don't play it and choose one that has a revenue model you like, write your own, or contact your local representative and tell them you want it banned where you're at.

Content is coming, maybe not the pace you want but impatience won't change that.

Bugs are there and don't expect them to ever be completely gone. I'm sure you've never had to upgrade your phone or pc because there was a bug to be patched. Only the simplest of programs can be guaranteed to be bug free. The ones that prevent play or crash the game are the logical priorities. I've seen a couple new ones that I haven't mentioned because I've only seen it happen once for one of them and the other because I'm not sure whether I missed something. I'd rather not have the devs chasing something that is nearly impossible to reproduce when they could better utilize that time.

Just for the record, the issues I've seen recently in PvP are:

1) Killed assassin Lilith while she had perfect immunity. She immediately revived and the team was full healed.
2) Visions uses his fury and stuns my gunner with Angel talis, she stays stunned on my turn.
3) Astra uses her power move. Perfect corruption, heal block and permadeath two gunners on my team with Angel talis. My turn and no cleanse, both still heal blocked and permadeath-ed.

hold

03-18-2018, 08:57 PM

... even if the odds were disclosed you make it out to be that's not enough for that aspect.

Nice speculation but wrong ...

Content is coming, maybe not the pace you want but impatience won't change that.

Sure ... Night City was announced to be around the corner September 2017

I'm sure you've never had to upgrade your phone or pc because there was a bug to be patched.

I am pretty sure that I've patched more Kernels, installed more bugfixes, updated more firmware that you will ever do in your lifetime. The point is that I test patches in a testing environment first and don't let them loose hoping they will be OK. As I said - there is the odd fucker that will screw up everything but that's the exception and not the norm like here.

1) Killed assassin Lilith while she had perfect immunity. She immediately revived and the team was full healed.
2) Visions uses his fury and stuns my gunner with Angel talis, she stays stunned on my turn.
3) Astra uses her power move. Perfect corruption, heal block and permadeath two gunners on my team with Angel talis. My turn and no cleanse, both still heal blocked and permadeath-ed.

Cool ... but you are making my point even stronger ... Thanks!

Askora

03-18-2018, 09:01 PM

Something you might have missed there. My guess is I was teaching myself to program before you were out of diapers. :D

Sponholz

03-18-2018, 09:06 PM

I for once an happy about all the discussion on the forums lately.

Except for a fill posts/replies all in all is really good to see the community engaged in trying to make this game better.

I always tried to stay polite on my rant replies, cause honestly, I already said that, and will again, you have to speak if you want to be heard in the first place, so yeah, we have to speak what we think about the game and how things are going on, as polite as we can always.

I am always worried about the future of this game, and so far my predictions were right, the Relics impact were indeed meaningful, turning the game on a grindfest for Iron Coins, and to a certain degree P2W on that dept. (You have to play a LOT or matches to farm for IC and SoW goes fast while your at it. And so far we do not have any other way to farm for Iron Coins, that's why I was one of the first to say I was worried that Relics become P2W.)

About the events, I didn't said they were bad, Dream of Ironite was one of the best events in the past months, I just didn't liked that it went live right after a Soul event with pretty desirable characters, I can assure you most players spend all the Ironites reserve trying on Liliths. But the Dream of Ironite was a nice event indeed.

The sacrifice event is just Gold, which is easily farmable while doing Troopers (Powerslave), so it was just underwhelming but Its nice to get something extra from the lower tiers sacs. I just wish they added a little more Gold for non-vortexes sacs, since Gold was never something we complained seriously about the game.

Anyway, I like the way things are being discussed here, just like some other games are 20x less forgiving then this one, in terms of P2W or anything, I can say for sure that this forums are 20000x less toxic then the most of the entire internet this days.

... Ed.

hold

03-18-2018, 09:07 PM

Something you might have missed there. My guess is I was teaching myself to program before you were out of diapers. :D

If so and you are still defending the devs please go back to the books ...

However - back in the days where there was not proper package management or modules we compiled the Linux kernels ourselves to fit our needs ... but we still tested the shit before put into production.

kkkreg5

03-18-2018, 09:17 PM

Ahh, I wish I was a programmer. I'd offer my services as consultant. They could pay me with band merch...:cool:

hold

03-18-2018, 09:19 PM

Ahh, I wish I was a programmer. I'd offer my services as consultant. They could pay me with band merch...:cool:

Don't ... I already decided to get a real job in my next live :cool:

kkkreg5

03-18-2018, 09:22 PM

Don't ... I already decided to get a real job in my next live :cool:

LOL!! Advice taken!!

Askora

03-18-2018, 09:29 PM

If so and you are still defending the devs please go back to the books ...

However - back in the days where there was not proper package management or modules we compiled the Linux kernels ourselves to fit our needs ... but we still tested the shit before put into production.

How many thousands of programmers have looked at some of that code? And, still has security errors and bugs. I won't argue against their need for a good test suite for the updates, but sadly it doesn't seem to exist.

hold

03-18-2018, 09:39 PM

How many thousands of programmers have looked at some that code? And, still has security errors and bugs. I won't argue against their need for a good test suite for the updates, but sadly it doesn't seem to exist.

We start to turn in circles. I have already admitted that bugs happen. But major fuckups should be the exception and not the norm like here.

Saying "sadly it doesn't seem to exist" is proofing my point.

Askora

03-18-2018, 10:06 PM

You're also holding them to the same standard or higher than a much larger group. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

Yup

03-18-2018, 10:08 PM

It's real simple.. don't give users stupid stuff you shouldn't be messing up to complain about and.. well they won't complain.

I mean come on.. I complain about the face-palm crap that gets released. If I were this irresponsible for things I created for my clients, I'd be homeless and broke. And don't bitch at me for pointing out the lack of work ethic.

A 10 second test of the last event before it was released would have shown that vortex fills weren't working.

... why is my "Challenges" still badged with the "event" art?? There are no event challenges left.. was the last round of ironite a 2-3 days collection or is it all over and the event hasn't died like it was supposed to? Or.. am I not getting updated events? See... stuff like this...... It's not a "bug", it's lack of attention to detail. The more you let that stuff slip by because you wan to "be a nice guy" the worse it becomes. Hell I've already had to reboot the game, like, 3 times in the span of 40 minutes today.

I'd also point out that I do not personally know ANYONE developing this game. NOTHING I post is a personal attack. These could be the best people ever. I may just adore them if I knew them personally.. I may loan them money.. let them stay in my home.. watch their dog while they vacationed.... But I don't know them and anyone in a creative field, such as development surely is strong enough to not take dissension personally. If they aren't they better start working on thickening up their skin. Few if any ever comment to state "Everything's perfect!".

hold

03-18-2018, 10:21 PM

You're also holding them to the same standard or higher than a much larger group. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

Hmmm ... This larger group is not nagging for money all the time, is completely open (source) and transparent plus is (normally) fixing shit within hours. If you want my money - deliver some quality. In the beginning I put cash into the game to support it. Right now there is no reason to do so because of (again *sigh*)
- empty promises (content)
- foul play
- eternity bugs

Askora

03-18-2018, 10:36 PM

kkkreg5

03-18-2018, 10:47 PM

Seems to me that that is the easiest thing to point out, "no one is forcing you to play or just quit" in this type of discussion. Again, everyone knows what is in store for us with this game but if NF wants my money, they need to give me quality over quantity. This should be demanded by everyone. We, the fans, demand this of the band. They give quality over quantity, why should this game be any different?

Sponholz

03-18-2018, 10:56 PM

Yet, despite the bugs, empty promises and foul play you continue to play the game? For how long? Continue to bash the devs with no visible result for how long? Seems a rather vicious circle. If you're that dissatisfied the logical option would be to find something else since you're convinced of no changes coming. Why stay?

Yeah!!!
- Why go to a war for your country knowing you will die?
- Why go vote for some man in suit to represent you on senate or presidency?
- Why even wake up since you know you will be having a bad day?
- ...
- I can be going on and on about why we do a lot of life related things...

Why???

Because we need to talk.
We need to express our opinions.
We need to speak about game related stuff so they know we give a damn about this game.

And finally, if we just shut the f. up, nothing will change, maybe speaking they will know we are not mindless zombies playing this game.

... Ed.

Sick

03-18-2018, 11:00 PM

Can someone please post a summary? You don’t really expect me to read all of this, don’t you?
This is just a game on your mobile. If you like it, play it - if not, quit.

Sponholz

03-18-2018, 11:23 PM

This is just a game on your mobile. If you like it, play it - if not, quit.

This is a GOOD game, which is a rare thing on mobile, it have a good balance indeed on freemium vs premium (I will not say a word about the new added stuff, for now.) and several other qualities.

I don't want to see a good game, based on Iron Maiden being wasted.

And I think I can say a lot of people here thinks the same way.

So, let me ask you something then, why stay quiet, why should we not "fight" for something we like?

... Ed.

Amarthir

03-18-2018, 11:24 PM

So this might make someone giggle but speaking of the Angel of Fear's broken passive, it applies to Tailgunner Eddie's fury as well. I was in a pretty heated battle with someone and I used GPD to heal and give immunity to my green Lilith, I was gonna revive everyone the very next turn because she was silenced at the time, anyways good old Tailgunner Eddie uses his fury move and, while it didn't kill any of my guys, he still got an extra turn and just destroyed my Lilith after that. So that's one bug that cost me a battle.

Okay, this ^ is called reporting a bug. I'm not complaining about it, I'm reporting it. And I'm going to leave it at that. Because I still enjoy the game and I'm not just going to sit around and rip on them every time they open their mouths. I'm sure they're working really hard or else we wouldn't get an update every month.

About the "grind fest" idea. I hardly ever even have to buy sands of war. If you group together alot of petty sacrifices, and just make a big ole sacrifice with them all, odds are you'll fill up with a pretty high amount of SoW. I dumped out probably about a hundred souls and now my SoW count is over 50. That's a good 500 iron coins to you if you are good at winning. That will get you a couple relics depending on which one you buy.

slauki

03-19-2018, 12:09 AM

well i think it's absolutely okay to point out things that are wrong in a sane and normal way. we all should agree here. the thing is how to do it. there were guys in the past who were offending everyone in a very stupid way. thank god that's not the case anymore atm. this behaviour is pointless and just poisoning the atmosphere. it's hurting the community and it caused many people to stay away from the forum, which is a loss for everyone.

i appreciate criticism, and i also massivly critisized things that i dislike. but also this has to be balanced, because not everything they do is bad. so focussing on all aspects would be better than only on the negative ones. that's what i miss sometimes.

Sponholz

03-19-2018, 12:17 AM

About the "grind fest" idea. I hardly ever even have to buy sands of war. If you group together alot of petty sacrifices, and just make a big ole sacrifice with them all, odds are you'll fill up with a pretty high amount of SoW. I dumped out probably about a hundred souls and now my SoW count is over 50. That's a good 500 iron coins to you if you are good at winning. That will get you a couple relics depending on which one you buy.

Oh pardon me then, and I thought that 215,000 (which is innacurate, cause it's even more afaik to max then all.) Categorizes this as a Grindfest, good too know that you maxed then all then... /s

(Sorry couldn't resist, but I like you, you know that! S2 My Trooper!)

500 is not 215,000+ I'm sorry, you can keep denying all you want, but it is a Grindfest at the end.

I know, I know they will release in some months ahead some mode to alleviate the grind, and still will be a grind, maybe less of a fest tho.

... Ed.

Reeb99

03-19-2018, 04:42 AM

Something to note here is that I did get sick of the bugs and move on to another game about a year and 3 or 4 months ago. The game I moved on to had a lot less bugs, but the greed was unmatched. After a year of that, I decided to come back here because we have it much easier.

Whoever said this game is more grind to win is absolutely right. My pvp team isn't anything special, but I don't really have problems getting wins on the attack. I rarely get defensive wins though. I could have easily placed higher last week had I wanted to put the effort in. I didn't do a single pvp fight in the last 10 hours, and still held on to warlord II. As far as ironite goes, it isn't hard to grind the right way and save up a bunch of it. It is just boring and time consuming.

The bugs, yes that's an issue. I'm guessing how it happens is that they are on a schedule for release dates, and have limited time to test and fix issues before they release. The games industry as a whole tends to subscribe to the thought that bugs are going to get through anyway, so do your release and hot-fix the bugs after. This isn't unique to NF, and it isn't likely to change a whole lot.

The thing is, you have different kinds of players. Some players complain about not enough content. Some complain about too many bugs. It's a delicate balancing act with a small team to be able to release content on a regular schedule and have it be relatively bug free. I've definitely seen worse.

Rain88

03-19-2018, 06:50 AM

A thread that actually reads " negativity"... it's pretty much not needed as most parts of the forum reeks of it.

It's really simple:
This game is free to play ... All free to play games (hell even most paid games too) have gambling of some sort ( souls, loot boxes, summon ... etc. )... not a single game actually show you the percentages (or loot box)
This game is free to play... all free to play games have bugs... but this one is on the higher end of the spectrum due to the continuous additions of new characters instead of focusing on fixing bugs. Regardless most bugs are manageable and the support team really does work to compensate.
This game is free to play... most free to play games blocks your progress and prevent you from accessing some aspects or having some characters without actually paying... this one uses luck and willpower against you but don't actually prevent you. Overall it would be on the medium range of the greed spectrum.
Once i accepted that I was no longer pissed about this game.

My only pure negative point of view would be the TIME it takes to grind (use all troopers) every day... not a single game (paid or free) is nowhere even close to this one.

hold

03-19-2018, 07:17 AM

... not a single game actually show you the percentages (or loot box)

You are very wrong here my friend ... but they are only starting (started) recently to do so because they are forced to do so now.

Since when has "others are worse!" become an acceptable excuse? Well it is at least not in my world.

slauki

03-19-2018, 09:23 AM

Since when has "others are worse!" become an acceptable excuse? Well it is at least not in my world.

well, we have to compare between games, to get a sense where we are at. and the pay to win argument is just horribly wrong. you can grind most of the things, but it takes a lot of time and dedication. i purchased a 5$ starter pack on my first or second day, just because i loved the idea of an iron maiden based game. not one cent more and i have reached everything in the game and i still have TONS of resources, just through grinding. i have friends who play southpark and swgoh and both games have much bigger P2W issues.

the time sink, the bugs and the lack of new content on the other hand are serious problems. no fast tickets, no auto repeat no guilds, no raids, no new PVE content since august 2017. WTF guys.

Through comparsion you can tell how good/bad something is, so "the others are worse/better" is an okayish argument. but this doesn't mean ofc that we shouldn't try to make the game better, just because it's already better than average in specific sections.

hold

03-19-2018, 09:41 AM

and the pay to win argument is just horribly wrong

Just for the record: I never said it is P2W. I said it's wrong to prey on the addiction of gamblers without disclosing the odds. Two very different things.

I never even said they shouldn't make money. I just said if NF wants my money or money from other players they have to deliver a bit more then chars and talismans (for months).

slauki

03-19-2018, 10:29 AM

Just for the record: I never said it is P2W. I said it's wrong to prey on the addiction of gamblers without disclosing the odds. Two very different things.

I never even said they shouldn't make money. I just said if NF wants my money or money from other players they have to deliver a bit more then chars and talismans (for months).

wasn't referring to you with the pay to win argument. you said it's a grindfest i think, and this describes the game pretty well, it is definetly a huge grindfest.

and yeah i agree, the game is stalled for some time now, which is a shame. it shouldn't be too much to ask for one new world every 6 months. man i said it once, release night city level by level. you could make an event every month for the new level and so on. give us new mini levels for limited time etc etc....so much wasted potential, that's what annoys me the most...but i honestly think the devs do their best. the problem is the limited number of resources they have compared to EA for example...

Patrice-1201

03-19-2018, 12:27 PM

Guys how much time do you all have on your hands????

Sponholz

03-19-2018, 12:52 PM

wasn't referring to you with the pay to win argument.

This was probably meant to me. :p

But, In my defense, I always stated that I was worried that this game would become a P2W (in the future, not right now) with the recent addition of relics. Never said it became a P2W at this current stage, I honestly don't know what the future plans form this game are, they may very well implement a system that costs lots of SoW or SoT and rewards more Iron Coins then the arena, so making the game have that P2W theme, I truly wish I'm wrong here.

Either way, I always stated and always will that this game already was really grindy, but in a nice way, we have a social motivation to grind the Troopers, since we are helping ours brothers there.

With the addition of Relics for example, now you have to grind an absurd amount of time so you don't fall behind. A reason I will always say that is bad.

I just hope and ask that my replies are not misunderstood, my concerns always were about the near future of this game, big changes like this could very well break the game for good. (Again, I hope I am wrong here.)

... Ed.

hold

03-19-2018, 12:56 PM

Guys how much time do you all have on your hands????

Says the guy who is getting close to a nervous breakdown if he hasn't got all the available Eddies ... (and complained in the past about the drop rates of Eddies he didn't have and was willing to throw unlimited cash into the game until he got all the Eddies - of course this type of fanboy will always defend the devs - what do you expect?) :rolleyes:

Reeb99

03-19-2018, 02:06 PM

well, we have to compare between games, to get a sense where we are at. and the pay to win argument is just horribly wrong. you can grind most of the things, but it takes a lot of time and dedication. i purchased a 5$ starter pack on my first or second day, just because i loved the idea of an iron maiden based game. not one cent more and i have reached everything in the game and i still have TONS of resources, just through grinding. i have friends who play southpark and swgoh and both games have much bigger P2W issues.

the time sink, the bugs and the lack of new content on the other hand are serious problems. no fast tickets, no auto repeat no guilds, no raids, no new PVE content since august 2017. WTF guys.

Through comparsion you can tell how good/bad something is, so "the others are worse/better" is an okayish argument. but this doesn't mean ofc that we shouldn't try to make the game better, just because it's already better than average in specific sections.

Can confirm, swgoh is the greediest game I've ever seen. Played it for a year because I knew others that played. There were players spending $3k a month or more to stay ahead. There were guilds full of those types that would collude to hold others down. They ended up adding so much new stuff that it was impossible to keep up without using cash. That's why I came back here.

Ironstyle

03-19-2018, 03:27 PM

I've (mostly) stuck to my complaint for new content. Aside from that, and some of the bugs, I'm pretty okay with the way things are in LotB. One thing to note about the events is, NF tends to put a twist on them every month. Same are just repeats, but others are done slightly differently to keep things interesting. The current sac event gives gold. Now, I quit for a while and came back after events were already going on, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but getting gold out of sacrifice is new, right? It's not the same ol' sac for souls. The ironite event wasn't anything amazing, really, but it wasn't bad either. So we didn't end with 10 million ironite. Not a big deal. The best part was the skill shard a day for 50 ironite. This certainly wont be the most talked about event, but it wasn't a bad event either. Just like the sac for god event. Not amazing, but I've gotten a few million gold out of it. The only bad part for me was the RNG. I was hoping for a ton of skill shards for tier 6 sacs and vortex fill. Got about 5 skill shards total, haha. No big deal as skill shards are available in a lot of different places.

In other words, I DO think NF is doing a comparatively great job when considering other games. This doesn't mean we should ignore the issues and ask for fixes; just keep it civil. In the end we are here to have fun.

One more thing...though I agree about the negativity, I don't think bringing up issues/desires as well as NF's lack of showing drop rate percentages is off topic (if that's what you meant by 'off-topic'). That's partly what this forum is for. It's our way to communicate with the dev's and for the most part they listen, which I think is pretty cool.

In the end, it's the promise of new content that keeps me coming back. I know some are worried about the relics, but I personally like them. The devs said they were needed in order to introduce new, more difficult content, so I can only hope their implementation means new content is on the horizon!