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Ooh. I have never done anything worth being investigated before. Silver lining to my being banned would be that it will not be much trouble to get a shit ton of money back from the company after reversing a ton of iTunes charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
I dunno man ...It was a bit choppy in the arena last night. Had about 10 fights where the game just couldnt catch up or run smooth. Haven't been running through arena too much since last update but with the new month I've been trying to catch up on iron coins for the legendary. Noticing a bunch more random weirdness now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askora
Thinking what happened was more buglitch than anything else. No worries on the attacks bruh, was wondering where they went this week... Was at 20 defense now I'm up there around 60-70
Btw... Just how hard is that Sentinel Harpy hitting? Anyone lol
Depends on the toon you face and the talis that both harpy and that toon have. Varies btw 4x00-9x00Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmxiii
Sparton, are there any plans to buff some of the weaker 5* toons to be true 5* caliber like some of the other recently buffed toons (VE, Nomad, COTD, etc.)? I know that many players would like Vampire Hunter Eddie and Aces High Eddie to receive a buff due to their relatively weak current states right now when compared to some of the other 5* Eddies. As it currently stands, someone may actually be a bit disappointed when they pull one of those two toons over something like a Rainmaker or Cyborg. The character discussion threads for these two eddies also have some interesting feedback regarding how they could potentially be buffed.
There's not usually any explicit plans, just stuff that we appraise and adjust when we have the space cycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
Looking over the (still being compiled) preliminary tuning notes, Vampire Hunter Eddie will have a change for a skill to make it stronger, and Ace's High Eddie will have a fix for his Fury skill level scaling based on a bug report from a player, but we'll have a look at usage and win rates for various underused Eddies and see what we can do for subsequent updates.
Don't forget to buff the sentinel pumpkins! I'm not even joking, I really want to build a pumpkin defensive team.
Agreed with you Tritium! We have some really nice 5* and 4* chars to that deserves buffs, I dont have a Vampire Hunter but hes one of the Eddies that I like most and will be awesome to see he shining in the arena!
Love Aces high but cannot bring myself to skillshard him up for use in the arena. Maybe fury scale fix will help but it seems one of his shield moves needs to have the skillshards needed removed. Sacrificing 8 skillshards for a couple shields that get rare use is insane. And to be honest I can't even figure out how those skillshards are used to improve these shields?
I was thinking the same for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezz
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Originally Posted by Ezz
Unfortunately the weakest 5 star Eddie - but sharded him anyway. Was really excited to get him and love the Gunners so couldn't resist ;)
He'll be a little better when they fix his fury - as I was sharding him I tested it in the same location each time and his damage never increased. Really cool the team was responsive.
Bumping up his attack would help get his basic attack to at least Desert Marauder level. If they could rework those stupid shields - maybe add some extra buffs - or maybe shield the team like the undead Gunner soldier - while fixing his fury - he'd be pretty dang useful.
As of now the 4 star Gunners - Tailgunner and Navigator - outperform him - and that makes no sense.
Hopefully he gets some "Visions Eddie" treatment and becomes a true 5 *. Considering he's rare he definitely deserves it.
Hm, that requires some guessing since there a few of them that come to mind deserving that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
Since you explicitely name him some thaughts on him and his abilities (having finished, this got more than I aimed for, sorry...):
Before going into detail just let me start by saying that I like him and the concept behind him a lot - he is one of the few characters that even on his own can be played quite strategic. On the other hand it means that be basically needs to played in certain ways to shine. Which admittedly he already can. I actually think at least in PvE he performs quite well after the last tunings. Even there are some problems, though, one certainly being that at least 3 of his abilities are basically never used. A bigger one might be that there is an Eddie for almost every situation that is better than him. Which is ok if that is intended and balanced but feels not only strange for a 5* but also given his (supposed?) role. This fact becomes severly more important in PvP.
Being overshadowed by other Eddies is most obvious when comparing him to Rainmaker I guess. The two are highly comparable and after Rainmaker got the abilities from VH that basically made him unique (mark and claim) one strongly feels compelled to do so.
Additional to that I think it is due to his rather unique way of playing with which the AI simply cannot keep up that he basically useless on PvP defence. I haven't tested him since the last AI tweaks, but the reliance of debuffs and buffs as well as a judgement about risk vs reward required are just too much. Since that is the core of that character I wouldn't change it, though - except for the luck element but I'll come to that. Most other Eddie's aren't made for defence either and that's ok.
So, let's talk abilities:
- Stake: The only power that is truly unique to him and there is nothing to complain here. It basically makes the character who he is at the moment. Marks on the target are a mere bonus on this ability, even without them the pure damage makes it worth using. Power costs are fair, the crit buff is just the icing on the cake.
- Claim: Might be my favourite ability of his. Not because it is the strongest (although it definetely is strong) but it is all around useful. For damage as well as for heal (the latter actually useful now). It requires either set up or thinking and it is quite interesting that it is a heal that can be countered in an unsual way.
This is a time to stop and point out: these are the only two abilities one will usually use (exceptions to be named later on).
- Mark: making our way down in usefulness we arrive at this interesting power. And it really is. I mentioned elsewhere that the initial damage calculation is weird at the moment, so depending how that is fixed that might chance its usability a lot (first candidate for the mentioned buff, yay!). As it is it is quite simple: If you get another turn it's great, if you don't it's really "meh" except for two cases: it obviously is great on high health targets that cannot be cleansed; otherwise it is needed to set up a heal in the following round. The latter case is quite restrictive because it again requires no cleanser and more importantly has to be used at the end of your turn because your allies will consume the mark (you can of course choose to not hit perfect which I actually do from time to time...). As I said, an "interesting" ability, mainly due to its synergies. If it becomes a "decent damage with a mark on top and chance for another turn" instead of a "mark with marginal damage" ability that wouldn't make the character too strong.
- Scream: we come to the first ability that basically no one, not even here, will know by name. I have to say, most of the time I use it I forgot I am in the past zone and click it accidentally. However, it is not as bad as that sounds. It certainly has a use in PvP where Immunity is of high value, but I am not sure if that is enough. I will test the fury gain again, but the buff is basically the only reason to use it. 20% chance of an extra turn (we require luck again. That's not only poison for PvP but will become a pattern for this character) is waaay to low in my opinion. I know it cannot be spamable or an automatic use every turn. And of course there are a lot of Eddie's who have highly situational and often questionable defensive powers of this kind (Hi there, Tailgunner and Aces High) but I have to wonder if that was intentional. All around this one could see a buff, but it doesn't hurt the way it is now.
Now we come to those that I wouldn't even notice if they were gone:
- Strike: If it hits crtitical and if the extra strike triggers it can do ok damage. But the chances of that happening... Especially when compared to Rainmaker this ability feels very lackluster (yeah, not easiest benchmark to reach, but again: the similarity of the characters provoke this). RttH shows that this ability can actually do damage, but of course there is not much left of it when only half of the relevant attributes of a character are taken into account for its damage. It is usually not the biggsest problem because, as stated above there are enough alternatives to it, but even as basic ability this one is neither fun or helpful (usual logic: are there multiple enemies?->use claim, do you have power?->use stake, with some cases overlapping where you have an option). The main problem with this might be that the damage when taunted can be extremely low (no class advantage against sentinels doesn't help), which is really strange for an usual high hitter. All in all we have a second contender for the buff worthy ability.
- Rouse: To me this ability is honesty completely useless in its current form. The damage is kinda ok, but if we wanted damage we would use stake. At the heart of this ability is of course the revive, which is supposed to justify its power cost. Well, it doesn't. Mainly because it's not a revive, it is the small chance of a revive. 35% are just a joke (good luck by the way coming up with an accuracy buff at the stage of a battle where the ability is needed). Seriously, if the chance was increased to 100% - take away the damage if you have - it wouldn't be too strong. I know it is hard to compare abilities from different chars because of the roles they play but when Pharao's has a 100% chance for all (!) characers with an extra heal, the rescuer's has 100% chance for all (!) characters with one of the strongest buff in the game this just is way off. One character is fine, but the gamble is basically never worth taking. Even at zero power cost you would still sacrifice either a huge amount of damage or some certainly highly needed heal (because you are in a situation where an ally is already dead that is guaranteed). So even then I would not use it, just to get a 65% of nothing worthwhile happening. So if I had to chose I would definitly chose this one for an overhaul and your wording of "making it stronger" gives me some hope, since it is not implying purely increasing damage.
Some concluding remarks: Luck is way to prevelant to make him useful in PvP. Marks are also needed for an efficient use and are hard to set up by VH himself (mostly, of course, again due to chances and luck). Both of these facts make the Warrior Bomber Boy a great addition to him and, in my mind, bring him to the level he should be without him. While I love the fact that there is a great synergy between them that of course makes everything regarding balancing much more complicated. If you tune him to be great without accuracy buffs and a mark supplier he will likely be overpowered with one in your team. If you tune him to be great with one in your team you risk of him being highly limited in its usefulness due to a static team composition and basically unlucky people (yay, we are coming back to this one on a whole new level) who doesn't have the BB over similar toons (and now you will need two, because just a troll for the passive is not enough) are ... well, not to go into profanity: unlucky. It is no coincidence that his decent abilities are the ones not depending on chance.
So my first step would be to make the element of chance much less important and a flat revive and an overhaul of Strike (you showed in the case of Rainmaker that you are not afraid of exchanging abilities, so I have some hope) would be a good to that. I guess I would still keep the BB around but the dependance on him would greately decrease.
Well, this became more than I thought. Would have put it into his thread, but here will do I guess.
(Since it really got more than expected I am sorry for any spelling mistakes, I don't have the concentration to read through everything again, I hope it doesn't hinder understanding at any point...)
^^Damn bro, that post was epic!
Thank you! I actually had in mind to do a similar one for Samurai some time ago but didn't really find the time and motivation to do so. This one was rather accidentally and while I am suprised by it's final length myself it's basically just a few sentences for each ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmxiii
I think there is not too much feedback on certain characters that are 1) rare, 2) old, 3) most likely too weak rather than too strong. While it is obvious why that is the case (Few people have them; those who don't don't care; those who do got used to them) it is kinda sad to see how much activity there was in Character Discussion (or rather is, if a new Eddie comes out), but now the whole section is rather quiet. I don't know if that is because most people on the boards are familiar with most characters now or at least feel they are. If it is because there is the feeling discussions there aren't read by Devs, so it's a nice place to discuss strategy (which isn't done anymore after the release of PvP - coincidence?), but not to offer suggestions. Or if it is just because the forums as a whole got quieter (exceptions are Update and weekly PvP threads, or some, let's call them standing out, threads like the recent PvP system abuse one).
Maybe the Devs could open some threads similar to the PvP suspect discussions, which received a lot, and in my mind a lot of constructive feedback, for characters they or the player base aren't quite happy with. I like the preliminary Update threads a lot, but discussions there are sometimes hard to follow because of all the different changes to different characters all at once, the threads are gone or at least irrelevant once the corresponding update got released and the discussion that came out of nowhere is brought to an abrupt ending.
Totally unrelated: The game still doesn't run on Bluestacks again. The error message that showed up since the 19th is gone, but the loading bar on the start screen just doesn't move (and no loading text is shown either).
Visions, Samurai, and Rainmaker had their updates - lets hope Aces High and VHE are next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
I had an issue with Bluestacks not running and my software said it was up to date. I still uninstalled it and despite what the software said when I reinstalled after downloading from their website it WAS a newer version - and this version is working fine with LotB on Windows10.
May want to give it a try
Are you talking about reinstalling Bluestacks or LotB? If the latter I already tried that, if the the former I'll give it a shot. I run into the same problem with MEmu 2.9.6 though. MEmu with Android 5.1 doesn't have the problem and the game works fine there. That version, however, and I don't know if that's due to my laptop is rather unstable for me and crashes quite often :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
[Edit: I just reinstalled Bluestacks and now the game immediately crashes after I try to start it. Can't even make it to the loading screen]
While I agree that Visions and Rainmaker are in a good place now - or better, that they are certainly not to weak - I hope they are not done with Samurai. He actually has problems that are quite similar to VH's: depending on luck in the wrong situations (here it renders Soul Sheath mostly useless), questionable defensive ability (I think Cyclone shield is kinda ok, but only a single target shield that has to be recast every second turn is not very appealing), and after the latest tuning more than ever a redundant damage ability (before tuning one would stick to Crimson Strike, now one uses Flash of the Blade. A chance of getting chance for a heal Block is not enough reason for it to be used and it is overshadowed in damage and the chance for an extra turn).
I'm gonna say it's all of the above on why those character threads are so quiet... not enough people have them so it's hard to care.. reading those threads just makes me wish I had all these chars... just got Visions last month, still working on talismans. Don't have Samurai but wouldn't mind seeing him after the red eyes. Same for VH, CG, TG, AH... the list goes on and on. I'm still waiting to see the AoF flap it's wings a million times a minute for me... Just haven't opened enough legendary to beat the odds.
I think it's a great idea to have a thread or section like the suspect but not so much for people to say chars are too good or overpowered for pvp! More like what you did pointing out how and why they should be better. There's a ton of cool chars but they can't all be killer I guess... although more should have better stats at 5* 100. It would be cool to have a section like that in the forums...
Samurai Eddie was my first 5 star character. Is one of my favorite eddies but I think he needs a review on his skills.
Aces high eddie is one of the most rare characters and one of the coolest. I have mine fully sharded but it would be great if the devs do something with those damn shield skills they have, it's a real pain to spend 8 skillshards on these skills without knowing how they apply them.
not sure if that was reported already but red NOBL deals this after casting his power move sometimes:
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saw it several times that some of my chars where stunned out of nowhere and then i catched what happened...the red nobl caused it.
aside from that does someone thikg this guy should only revenge when he gets hit? otherwise it's too hard to revenge when attacking an ally AND
remove up to 25 buffs 100% of the time ;)
Hello Slauki, this happens becouse he probably is equiped with a Explosive set, the NBOL alone cant do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by HomemLivre
yeah i thought this might be a talisman effect, but it was new to me, not sure if that's intended... anyway best of luck for the final rush, but i think it's safe to congratulate you for the eternal mate :D
Slauki only reads his own thread, the one with the characters, so he is not so familiar with talismans :D I thank you in his name for enlightening him :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Hahaha, this talis are ancient and not available anymore, perhaps they will be in BNW again :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
Need to say that I like them to much!
Hahahah, we can never know until the week is over but I will be here to the last minute! But thank you anyway, I almost dont sleep last night and the stressfull sensation to be in the Eternal is new for me hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Cheers!
Hah, yeah, Sentinel Pumpkins will always have a close place in my heart, even if they're not the most viable things in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFreeze
Sadly, we're not too big a fan of making the limited time holiday allies super viable (since they're not widely available), but I've been kicking around ideas with Kaz to make them "seasonally powerful" or something.
A lot of solid points, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
I think you're underselling the value of having two ways to revive allies, though (Power and Fury). Obviously, that'd be a bit more reasonable if Rouse was at least more consistent, so uh... good guess on that part.
Overall, there's definitely a lot more smaller things we could probably do to push him into the limelight a bit more. I think, based on the way his data is set up, he was one of the earliest characters created in the game, so there does seem to be stuff designed for a slightly different combat system/meta in mind. I don't think we want to overdo it with tuning him, though, and we definitely want people to consider building team compositions to help make characters shine.
Hm... I do agree, that does sound like an interesting idea. For the most part, we've been just taking suggestions as they come in and making notes for future reference, but I'll have to follow up with Kaz about if and how we could schedule that. Sadly, we're been pretty swamped with tasks this week (we thought we'd get preliminary tuning notes out by the end of the week, but too much was coming up, so hopefully early next week).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
I'll have to triple check when I'm back in the office what the situation is there. I know we have more comparability fixes for the next update, but I don't recall the full scope of what the fixes are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
Nah you're good. Welcome to the mountaintop! It's nice to have another peer. You're just feeling the juice :) I needed an excuse to post this ridiculous video, you're a true survivor!Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Edit: theres also a Pharoah Dog at the 47 second mark haha
https://youtu.be/ZTidn2dBYbY
Hahahahahhaahhaha, tks man, the feeling is really good! Im watching this incredible run between Gmac and Kamuz, and personally cheering for Gmac! I know he can do it! #teamgmacQuote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
About the video, did you watched Kung Fury? Its awesome, coarse but super funny! Really enjoyed the video ref! hahahhaha
Cheers!
Edit: Great ref to the PDK! But from a nordic point of view! hhahahaha
Edit 2: Thor from this short movie is the most badass and awesome Thor ever.
@SilentKnight please don't smash your phone on the wall! Hahaha, joking!
Yeah, I know. I'd bite my ass now for selling all of them. Hoping to see them in BNW too, whenever that might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Luckily I saved a set and I need to say, it rocks!!! Want to use it asap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
Hey Sparton, saw you are here on thread, and wanted to give you a note that a troll equipped wit strike talismans just revenged on me after I used Sentinel Corrupt Droid's power move. I hope you'll look into this soon, and I also believe that you are aware of the problem that when strike effect is removed from enemy (I use warrior NoL), he still revenges one last time. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feedback on VH. I agree he is indeed overdue for a bit a rework and I share a lot of the same concerns you have. He's on my list of characters to take a look at. Probably not for the next update, but shortly after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
Cheers,
-Kaz
What a race for top 3 though! Gmac, you're a beast!
#teamgmacQuote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
Hureeeeey!
Edit: Ok, Gmac already beated Kamuz, was really a incredible run!
Well done HomemLivre!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Congrats Homenlivre! You were a punching bag not too long ago, good to see you on top!
Well done!
I'm so happy that after this week events I get to share podium with 2 FRIENDS and probably the 2 guys that have helped me the most in the game (along with Sag).
Jofer, you said you'd stay away from Eternal and you did, not only that you even put the same champion as HomemLivre showing your support. And people say you are not class... Total nonsense.
And HomemLivre, you certainly deserve this one. You can foresee where this game is going like no other. All your defenses have been brilliant, this one is stellar. Very, very happy for you.
And earlier in the day when you said it would be cool if I made podium I just had to try. Glad it worked out. (But only because Kamuz stopped playing - btw your sistem is great man, congrats)
Also I just saw KillHouse at top 5, awesome.
Could not be happier about how things turned out.
(I'm only sad I don't have Santa Eddie, that would be a cool picturel)
Cheers everybody, let's celebrate!
Thanks man!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrice-1201
Hahaha, sad past that better be buried there! hahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by CanyptianFit
Thanks man!
And celebrate we shall, cheers bud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Hell yeah, man! Now I know the feeling and I need to say, Its great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
All of you said are true, agreed with you in every single word! Its awesome to share a podium with you two guys!
Was an amazing experience and I encourage everyone that wants to try to do it!
Kamuz was a hard players and passed like a truck through everyone, contragts man!
Now that you know how it feels you can jam out to the Eternal theme song.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
https://youtu.be/9TlBTPITo1I