Update: 85 runs Floor X so far: 285 HH & 90 LilithQuote:
Originally Posted by druid138
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Update: 85 runs Floor X so far: 285 HH & 90 LilithQuote:
Originally Posted by druid138
final update guys thanks for all the contribution, i think we have some reasonable numbers now
we have 1279 rounds and 2066 lilith frags (1,61 per run)
seems that the 50 drops have a huge impact on the rate. if you are unlucky and no 50 frags drop for you it will be a pain in the ass to farm for the frags
1198 rounds gave us 4780 HH frags (3,99 per run)
thanks to, demoon, aris, druid, metal, jason,. pepp, amarthir, jjj, hold scott, enrico palazzo, homem livre, nicko, natasar, sick, zumasu and yup for the discussion ;)
final conclusion:
1,6 seems to be the ratio for level 10. i like to be conservative so i will use 1,5 as measure for level 10.
so let's do some math:
500 frags / 1,5 = 333 rounds LOL are needed for a lilith soul. assuming one refill gives you 11 rounds of play means you need 30 full refills for a lilith. if we assume 3 ironite will drop per refill we need 30*27 ironite to get a lilith --> means 810 ironite. you have to play the whole day. you will get 6,5-7 hellhounds too and a lot of normal souls and evo material.
a hell lot of work is needed to get a lilith, but i think it's reasonable and doable in the long term.
i farmed hard the whole day and finally got a lilith soul just to see, that it contains the only lilith i already have. in this case you wanna shoot yourself, but well, that's part of this game as we all know :P
With my luck I get the feeling that I'll be next to join your Dupe club.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Thanks for your effort, Slauki. My personal droprate and calculation leads me to around 400 runs. It can’t happen to me to get a dupe Lilith as I don’t have one, yet.�� The best thing I got so far from this event is Edward The Great from a rare soul. I got the rare soul from sacrificing 10 two stars I got from LOL. I was missing him, so it was a fair deal. ��
Plus all the character souls that the event is based on is fodder for the next sacrifice event. So there's alot of wins to getting at least 1 Lilith soul per event.
My final tally.
1200 HH frags - 500 Lilith frags
(took me 2 full SOT refills to get those last 10 Lilith frags.. and I literally got the last 5 frags on the last run of the second refill.... and.. I got my 4th Gunner Lilith [need Warrior or Sentinel].... so frustrating....)
yw man, and congrats to edward \m/. really fortunate not to have a lilith, i wish i woul dhave saved my 700 frontier coins a bit longer...but well easy to be smart in hindsight :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Peppoah
yeah and at least the liliths are farmable in the longterm. that's actually a very nice development overall. better than hoping for lucky pulls from rare souls. i like this approach a lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarthir
While those Lilith fragments are a nice extra - they don't solve the general problems this game is having. I like it and it makes those particular events better.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
But I'm also far from hailing the devs ... A tiny improvement is still an improvement and while enjoying this positive moment we also shouldn't turn a blind eye on the bigger picture. There is still a mountain to climb ... my 2 cent ... one swallow doesn't make a summer!
btw: I always liked those events ... at least there is an almost guaranteed reward for the grind (you must be super unlucky not to get anything out of it with a fair amount of refills)
yeah i agree it's a long way to go, and the main issues are still there. but this event proves one thing for me: it's not all bad so there is still some hope for this game. i really hope they can turn this around, and i will do my best to help them with this. we can just continue with our constant feedback and hope it will lead to some massive improvements, which are definetly needed...Quote:
Originally Posted by hold
Today’s 50 LOL X fights only gave 55 Lilith frags.
Same here. Much lower drop rate than yesterday.
as said guys, if no 50 frags drop you are fucked, this is what makes or breaks you. so 50/55 is not unexpected...if there would be one 50 drop you would have an way above average day...seems all very normal to me
It's not just that ... I can confirm as well that the drop rate is much worse than yesterday. Almost finished my 50 runs today and got only 20 additional Lilith soul fragments.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
So the whole thing is rigged as f*ck again. It is an extra - OK. But they lured you in with a day of good drops and now make you spending more for refills because you hope to get enough fragments for 1 Lilith soul.
I take most of the positive things back I said yesterday ... bloody cheaters - really ... It will take a century to get a Lilith soul that way ... useless
Can absolutely confirm this. 40 runs on LOL X now and only 25 fragments. Am at 220 now and great playing time for this event is over for me. Even if I could play like first half of this event, it wouldn’t give me 500 fragments. And imo I played A LOT (too much tbh). Played all SOT without waste and made about 10 refills. Also no 50 drop here (1 for HH).Quote:
Originally Posted by natasar
Nevertheless great event, will go for a third HH and save to up for the next sacrifice event. Not to forget 150 free ironit (anybody else got 1 SOT with that? haha funny). Thanks for all that NF!
don't wanna argue guys but all i say is beware of small samples...40-50 runs is literary nothing, and the variance is huge there. that's why we need large numbers to estimate real chances...even our 1000+ numbers are not really that big of a sample, but enough to get an idea of the drops.
not sure if they can adjust droprates during an event. seems unlikely to me, even it would make sense from a psychological point of view. my drops seems kinda normal, but i cannot tell exactly, because i have stopped writing them down...
From a programmer's point of view that is basically changing 1 parameter.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
As the client seems to communicate with the server before every drop - changing drop rates on the fly shouldn't be a issue at all.
Far from it man ;) just seems like some of us have even less luck than yesterday. But as these fragments will not be useless like all others from any event so far, I’m not angry that I will not reach 500 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by slauki
True that, but by the way the game works (and as far as I know) it will need new data to be downloaded. I don't think the can change the droprate in the middle of the game without pushing a new data updateQuote:
Originally Posted by hold
I think that is not the case anymore. The devs spoke about server side updates in the past or something similar. If that is the case (and it would make a lot of sense from the dev's point of view) they can adjust things on the fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by zamasu
We can't of course proof it but it smells that basically the luck of quite a few people changed over night ...
It's not for a few people, and it's not coincidence. Drop rates are down dramatically from yesterday. Not sure about server side changes needed for this, because the drop rates do this every event on the middle days. There should be an uptick in the Noon CST hour (around 12:25 CST... 3 hours from now) on level X if it follows the pattern of the past events, then it will taper off again. Then on the last day, there will be more of a surge but still not like the first day.Quote:
Originally Posted by hold
Well, I see I am not the only one noticing the lower drop rates of Lilith frags, there is really something smelly here!
I did get my first 50 Lillith drop today and I noticed a lot more rare souls today too - got a couple yesterday and 5 today and only done a single refill today. Got my second HH today and have 35 for the next one. I have 175 Lillith and I think i am on my fifth refill over all days (on top of my daily play to do troopers on LOL X).
0 X 50 for me for lillith or HH event....and sacrifice is so bad with that ridiculous gold event...100 level 1-2 characters and 0 sand of time or arena.....i never see so shit rate i think since the beginning...Quote:
Originally Posted by scott-5496
For sure my experience is not a scientific approach at all, but yesterday I managed to get 320 Lilith frags. I stopped because my target was to get 1.000 in three days. Today I received 60 frags so far. I had no 50 drops on both days.
As I have my mobile next to my computer while working and just pressing the replay button, I think that I roughly did the same amount of fights.
Done over 120 LOL runs abut 40 on X and rest on VII. Not single x50 Lilith...so far 450HH and 65 Lilith...no Lilith so far on Magus runs.
Though some believe drop rates are higher on X, all save 10 Lilith were gotten on VII.
On the a side note, I used the extra Hellhound along with some extra 5* to fill my vortex, ended up getting about 15 Skill Shard, 8 Rare Gunner/Assassin Souls, of which I finally got GCOTD!! (yay) and 5millon gold.
Lilith drops completely dried up for me too until a few drops recently.
First evening of the event, I had a 50 Lilith frag drop in lv 7. I had just as good a drop rates as you guys playing lv 10. Then it completely stopped. I switched back and forth from 7 to level 10 without much luck.
3 refill on level 10 this morning, and only a few small drops. 2 plus HHs. Not sure I’ll continue the grind. It’s not
Paying off.
I'm getting better Lilith drops on Magus... now sitting at 130 Lilith frags/90HH frags after about 20 runs.
okay interesting to hear the impressions...next time we should take the drops day by day for the entire event to test this...CAN YOU HEAR ME NF, we will test is during the WHOLE F'N event period next time :D
My numbers seemed a little skewed, but balanced out. Had two 50 drops fairly early in warrior, so ended up day one with 325 frags. Day two is so far 275 frags and still have a refill to play through to balance it out. Seems relatively close to me. 6 event characters to 1 Lilith soul is the ratio I have so far.
That's pretty much what I'm seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askora
Got a few more drops recently, including a 50 playing lv 10. Maybe it’s picking back up? I Don’t see myself hitting 500 during this event, but I should wind up with 4-5 HH.
Today started missing 45 fragments for my only Lilith I will chase in this event, used my free SoT and one refill to get 95 fragments, one 50 included when had 5 left to complete 500. Fortunately got a new Lilith but the worst of all of them IMO, sentinel one. Still missing more than 100 fragments to complete my 5th HH.
Really sick of grind, will not complete it.
So far up to now I have three HHs in the bag (105/200 for the fourth one) and only 90 away from first Lillith soul. So it looks like my rates have varied to others a bit as others have had 6 or 7 HHs and got the Lillith soul - I did get a single 50 drop in Lilliths, none so far for HH.
Stück at 410 Lilith ... 3 refills and only 15 fragments ... Fuck that suit now - having a beer with my friends ...
Not just bored of the grind but really annoyed and tired of it.
In all honesty I'm not fond of getting a Lilith or not because I have no intention to play PvP going up against overpowered teams.
We the newest updates and additions the slot machine got even less interesting and more annoying.
I gave up after I got the dog. It isn't worth grinding that much to get mostly XP shards. I need runes way more than shards.
Is it just me or doesn't everyone??? There are far too few rune drops... specifically the colorless evo runes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeb99
you can farm those in the normal cosmos, that's why they reduced the droprate of those in the lol. they start to drop in battlefield madness and aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Yup
Yeah but I can farm the cosmos for 3 days and have enough to upgrade MAYBE 3 talismans. (Tried AMOLAD and Circle of Fire Underworld)
Farming BNW lower levels is a bit better. But really.. they all seem to drop too rarely.
The best I've seen is 15, 2 star colorless evo runes in one drop from a skull quest.
Ignoring Relics, I don't need anything else.. other than a couple Liliths and the Alliance General. My main focus is talisman upgrades.. just so slow going overall. Yeah I could BUY them from the store.. but they are too pricey there.
Luckily, they are gonna offer more Lilith frag drops in future events. Good because the drop rates are pretty poor