April 2017 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Caretaker - I have to say I'm not seeing the same thing from Sparton's comments. I'm reading.

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Yeah, he obviously misunderstood it. but i have to admit that i understood it the same way the first time i've read it (all those word twists are hard to understand for us foreigners).
But it does look like all those nerfs are taking the game in that "flat" direction.
And SSD or "the lady in yellow"(her power move is like 3 characters in one!) went untouched, so guess what's gonna appear in 90% of the teams.

On the other hand removable skill shards don't even get considered, where in my view that would open up the diversity and people could try different toons without the worry that they won't be that effectively or that they will get nerfed one day.i don't get this philosophy at all...

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Originally Posted by Nicko

2) We SHOULD see more rare toons - they're rare because they're 5* - and currently we don't. Take Assassin CotD for example. Supposedly a great toon - and we never see him in PvP. I'm glad he's getting a buff. I'd rather see this than nerforama, and I think many feel the same way.

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Great toon!!! He's next to shard! Troopers Assassin & Warrior helped lots in PvE

Agree that it's best to buff existing non used characters, versus nerf.

I love what is being done with the harpy's. I've recently 5* one and am waiting to get the other.

This is the right approach to getting diversity.

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I agree with Caretaker in some terms, Im really trying to understand where you guys found this "castration" adjective.
Its clear that some of you guys want the game as it is, with a super powerfull toon that gets advantage besides all other toons and thats the point that I disagree with Caretaker. The devs want a balanced game and made this patch for it, but some players want to change the devs mind...
Please guys, stop all this bs talk about "castration", other premium toons got a even worst nerf and you said nothing...

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Originally Posted by HomemLivre

I agree with Caretaker in some terms, Im really trying to understand where you guys found this "castration" adjective.
Its clear that some of you guys want the game as it is, with a super powerfull toon that gets advantage besides all other toons and thats the point that I disagree with Caretaker. The devs want a balanced game and made this patch for it, but some players want to change the devs mind...
Please guys, stop all this bs talk about "castration", other premium toons got a even worst nerf and you said nothing...

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If you want every piece equal play checkers ;)

And I think your interpretation is extreme. I said previously I think the Prisoner could be nerfed - he does give too much of an advantage. But I think the nerf was extreme. Why pull a 5* if he doesn't give a significant advantage over a 3*? What's the point?

I don't want a game where one toon gives such an advantage it's frustrating if you don't have that one toon. But at this point I think the Prisoner the only one that fits that bill. Are there other strong toons that are challenging to face? Yes. But if they were that OP you'd see them in every defense. Almost anyone who had a Prisoner used him every time. He's that good. And every one else wanted him (OK - Aristo didn't ;))

GRE? SSD? You see a lot of them. But not on every team.

I do think the Prisoner was castrated. I think a more gentle nerf would have been possible and from comments many agree. Maybe I'll be proved wrong - maybe I won't be. So while I respect your opinion and your right to disagree (discussion is why forums exist) - Im not understanding your need to tell those of us who think differently than you to stop expressing our opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nicko

If you want every piece equal play checkers ;)

And I think your interpretation is extreme. I said previously I think the Prisoner could be nerfed - he does give too much of an advantage. But I think the nerf was extreme. Why pull a 5* if he doesn't give a significant advantage over a 3*? What's the point?

I don't want a game where one toon gives such an advantage it's frustrating if you don't have that one toon. But at this point I think the Prisoner the only one that fits that bill. Are there other strong toons that are challenging to face? Yes. But if they were that OP you'd see them in every defense. Almost anyone who had a Prisoner used him every time. He's that good. And every one else wanted him (OK - Aristo didn't ;))

GRE? SSD? You see a lot of them. But not on every team.

I do think the Prisoner was castrated. I think a more gentle nerf would have been possible and from comments many agree. Maybe I'll be proved wrong - maybe I won't be. So while I respect your opinion and your right to disagree (discussion is why forums exist) - Im not understanding your need to tell those of us who think differently than you to stop expressing our opinion.

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I do not told to stop express your opinion, just to stop the usage of this adjective "castration" to a deserved nerf, I dont know who started this and really dont care about it, the problem is that sound like "a word that will make devs roll back in their decision about the prisoner", its so anoying to see guys that contribute to the game using so lowered words...
Well, at least you guys get what you want, they will not do as they wanted to do previously couse of some players.
Im hoping that whatever the changes devs decides to do makes the PvP a better place with some diversity.
And as I said before, if you guys not complained about other premium toons got nerfed hard, why do you care now? Something is not smelling good in here.

Edit: And why do you think that this nerf was extreme?

I guess we might be a bit extreme in calling it a castration... it's more like a vasectomy since it is reversable!

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

I guess we might be a bit extreme in calling it a castration... it's more like a vasectomy since it is reversable!

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LoL

Another Prisoner discussion... haha

Well, certainly nobody but canyptianfit ranted about AoP nerf, and that is a HUGE nerf.

But I'm ok with it, killing almost every buff first round is too much.

As is killing every passive first round with no counter.

So I'm ok with both nerfs.

Having said that, I did not understand that immunity (talismans or HH/Art Dog passive) would block the new Prisoner debuff first round. And that is a brilliant solution (Tritium suggested it I think).

And if that is the case, then YES, following rounds I think the new debuff should apply to everybody if immunity not there. This will save the prisoner for PvE (and btw AoP will be dead for that), and he will still be a lot of value, can block AoP and AoF passives, stun 2 round basic attack and silence with power move. How is that not a 5 toon?

I hope this is the solution devs go for.

Would that be ok Nicko and Prisoner owners?

Cheers
Gmac

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Originally Posted by Gmac

LoL

Another Prisoner discussion... haha

Well, certainly nobody but canyptianfit ranted about AoP nerf, and that is a HUGE nerf.

But I'm ok with it, killing almost every buff first round is too much.

As is killing every passive first round with no counter.

So I'm ok with both nerfs.

Having said that, I did not understand that immunity (talismans or HH/Art Dog passive) would block the new Prisoner debuff first round. And that is a brilliant solution (Tritium suggested it I think).

And if that is the case, then YES, following rounds I think the new debuff should apply to everybody if immunity not there. This will save the prisoner for PvE (and btw AoP will be dead for that), and he will still be a lot of value, can block AoP and AoF passives, stun 2 round basic attack and silence with power move. How is that not a 5 toon?

I hope this is the solution devs go for.

Would that be ok Nicko and Prisoner owners?

Cheers
Gmac

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Round of applause!

CG in the past and AoP now are both extreme nerfs that change lots of things and like Gmac said, AoP is dead on PvE and no one complain about it...
"can block AoP and AoF passives, stun 2 round basic attack and silence with power move. How is that not a 5 toon?" - Thats why I dont understand this adjective "castration" and the complain only about the Prisoner.

Just wonder what devs will do with the other chars changes (like AoP). All the changes was based on the Prisoners imo and the way that I saw the possibilities, so if the prisoner will be changed again, the rest of the nerfs will need to be revised to.

But thats ok, lets see what devs will do and hope for the best.

Hmmm that is odd... I have an AoP fully maxed up and you don't see me complaining about him getting clipped... I don't like seeing any chars nerfed without removable skill shards but those complaints are proving to be futile and Death Dog is not going to have Siege anyway... why are those who have the Prisoner so bummed out? Like Schmeb said, "don't have him, don't want him!"

...I prefer hunting the fugitive as is, makes it that much sweeter when he falls...