The Lightning Strike of the Baroness - Exclusive Chance for Baroness Redan!

I really like this kind of events, since you can do it without much stress on auto and without spending any extra resources. But I really like the grinding part of the game.
What I really don't like is the luck part, but that's the game, so I don't really cry about it. I've never earned any event character during the event itself, today wasn't any different, 10 more 3*.

I would love if they would put some absurd numbers on top of the usual event stuff for extra grinding, like 15k grevious burn, 10k seal, whatever, but with a garante that we get the toon.

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Originally Posted by Icarus

So i really think that the new players have a much better chance than others that have a lot of time on the game

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Perhaps it's just seeing something that isn't really there, but my experience was that I quit playing for about 5 months, and when I came back in July, I got several of the then current event characters right away: Sekhmet, Clansman, and Doomsday, with lots of Desert Sniper and Lilith fragments.
After that, it slowed down immensely, and I have not gotten an event character from event souls since then; I did get Breeg via a regular soul, and the souless demon and death dog.

I did hit it pretty good when I started again, but I really didn't play or buy any more than I have for the other events since then and I've gotten very little in return.

This character is way overpowered where healing is concerned. With the self-application for Crit strike than healing on ever hit, she basically full-heals her entire team with ever hit.

I'm done. You all have fun with this mess.

Got lucky this time and pulled her! Put her right away in my defense team to see how it will work and my rate is at 60% right now, whilst before it was never more than 5-10%. I guess that there people who do decide not to attack when they see her. I don't play much in the arena, because it is hard to compete without good set of relics and some talis (primordials!). What I am saying is that she is obviously overpowered at the moment. Who knows what we are about to see.

she will be available in G/A rare souls?

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Originally Posted by Ip4

she will be available in G/A rare souls?

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"Additionally, Baroness Redan is not available in any other souls, and after this event, will only be featured occasionally in Heroic Soul Rotations. If you miss your chance to recruit her now, it may be a very long time until you get another chance!"

thanks Fudjo,that's bad news...

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Originally Posted by Yup

This character is way overpowered where healing is concerned. With the self-application for Crit strike than healing on ever hit, she basically full-heals her entire team with ever hit.

I'm done. You all have fun with this mess.

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Heal Block wants to meet you, even with Inmunity it isn't that big issue just like Sentinel Lilith, the same with Destiny Talismans, just remove inmunity and then Block Effects or Perfect Corruption. Please don't take this as im teaching you how to play, but as a normal and minimal thing that most of the people forgets, because i see everywhere that ''something is way too top'' when there is a cheap and good solution, unlike the first versions of the Liliths or Primordial talismans that were really wat too op.

This is what really bothers me, i'll be honest in the fact that i feel bad for not having Deadalus (because he looks badass :cool:), but if they are going to set this kind of requisite to release new characters, then is a bad idea.

Heal block does apply with the same regularity or last as long as PI or Immunity does... that's the issue. And of note is that good ATK characters which CAN cast heal block are few and so far between... and killed easily by almost any character released in the last 3 months. This "game" has gotten just stupid in their quest for money.

After thinking it over, limiting these new characters to heroic souls might actually make getting them easier. Other than the fact that it could be a long time before you see them, if you save your fragments you could get dozens of heroic souls or more when they show up. And since there's only 2 five star characters to get, that's like 50/50 chance. Besides, they could actually both be in the same rotation so you'll get either the Baroness or Daedalus if you're lucky to get a 5* pull.

Putting them in Heroic souls separated them from the slew of characters that swim around in normal souls, making them easier to end up getting when you save up lots of heroic fragments. Which I've been earning hundreds of by playing Gauntlet, which is like a billion times less stressful and more entertaining than the arena.

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Originally Posted by Yup

Heal block does apply with the same regularity or last as long as PI or Immunity does... that's the issue. And of note is that good ATK characters which CAN cast heal block are few and so far between... and killed easily by almost any character released in the last 3 months. This "game" has gotten just stupid in their quest for money.

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Y'know, usually when I start to dislike something, I usually just stop associating myself with it..... Might be something you should consider, just saying.

Now it is official: I am waiting her on heroic soul rotation.

The 10 souls earned at the event bring me only two 4*.

I have to say that I have faced her a few times and she is a massive pain to deal with - got one loss due to her too. She is a great toon - maybe or maybe not OP but to be honest if it is not her it is someone else. in the sum of it I am not too bothered either way as losses do seem to be more common now - just the new meta and the fact that more recent toons can win you a game, in the past they struggled to do this.

We all just have to get used to the fact that the game needs to make money to continue and NF clearly know what does and does not make money and hence the swing to releasing loads of new toons that folk fight and think - I must have that, get soul pack etc etc

All makes sense and we all have to get that or move on. This will not change unless a new revenue stream opens up for them. A new world or new content will not get them money up front (it may make some of us stay longer a play a little more but in terms of spending on ironite etc will that actually work - not much I dont think other than maybe a rush from a group of players with time to see who finished it all first) unless there is a degree of pay to play (like Gauntlet maybe) but even that I am not sure is a money spinner - or at least I cannot see it anyway. There seems to be ahard core small group who go into SS or SSS every round we have of it and I can see why - they have a little time, happy to spend a bit of ironite and get IC and the other goodies. If I had a bit more time I may do it myself (or why keep all these dupe Eddies!! LOL).


I could chuck a lot of maony at the game - easily (I am financially in a good place) but to be honest I am not wired that way. My brain work like most others I am sure. An example, I like to wash my car and do some detailing etc - but if in a week I have not got the time I consider paying for it because for £15 and 45 minutes of someone elses time I can get it done to a decent standard (not to my OCD levels but close) inside and out and it saves me two hours of my time. Maybe a stupid analogy but hoepfully it makes sense - we all try to work out if something is worth it or not. I could literally dump hundreds into the game (sorry if that sounds shit but I have a decent job) every week but in no way will I ever do that - I sometimes struggle to do my £9.99 every month for the ironite and I have not bought souls in a long long time...oh and another thing I try to never gamble with real money - I always lose, never win I and I have learned that over many years......this game wont change that but the occasional 'flutter' doesnt hurt if you know the chances are so slim to be stupid - you literlaly have way better chance gamling on horses or football or whatever...maybe the lottery is closest!!

11 souls. One 4*. Another event, no event character for me. Not a single one. Fuck!! So frustrating.

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Originally Posted by DanielRacy

11 souls. One 4*. Another event, no event character for me. Not a single one. Fuck!! So frustrating.

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33 souls & no Baroness. Frustrating is the word, yes.

I know that pretty well. My 10 event souls gave me only 3* shit. What surprise. I decided to buy another 10 and I've got eight 3*, one 4* and Beast Eddie. I'd be happier with the Baroness, but I miss Beast Ed, so I'm not as frustrated as usual.

13 souls and only a dupe Eda.

On the plus side. I have yet to lose to any builds with her. Crave ruines all her healing. Have had so many opponents get killed by her healing them.

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Originally Posted by Amarthir

After thinking it over, limiting these new characters to heroic souls might actually make getting them easier. Other than the fact that it could be a long time before you see them, if you save your fragments you could get dozens of heroic souls or more when they show up. And since there's only 2 five star characters to get, that's like 50/50 chance. Besides, they could actually both be in the same rotation so you'll get either the Baroness or Daedalus if you're lucky to get a 5* pull.

Putting them in Heroic souls separated them from the slew of characters that swim around in normal souls, making them easier to end up getting when you save up lots of heroic fragments. Which I've been earning hundreds of by playing Gauntlet, which is like a billion times less stressful and more entertaining than the arena.

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Exactly my view! I love to play Gauntlet, is much more funny than tedious and tautological arena especially these days. And yes gauntlet rewards give me a long term motivation: Daedalus whose I miss from the sacrifice event ( got Icarus myself tho). And I'm saving up thousands of heroic frags just because I want it as only toon still missing from my collection. Cheers

15 souls, all 3***.

I finished the event this morning. All 3* dupes! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Shaolin85london

Exactly my view! I love to play Gauntlet, is much more funny than tedious and tautological arena especially these days. And yes gauntlet rewards give me a long term motivation: Daedalus whose I miss from the sacrifice event ( got Icarus myself tho). And I'm saving up thousands of heroic frags just because I want it as only toon still missing from my collection. Cheers

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Completely agreed. If you just get to tier AAA, you'll get 8 Heroic Souls. Sure, if you're focussed on getting Iron Coins for buying Relics, the Arena is the way to go. But the new cost adjustments in the Gauntlet combined with the bundle of other stuff you get from it make it really worth it. Reaching AAA, you'll get:

2 Rare souls
2 Precious souls
2 Skill Shards
8 Heroic souls (from full souls and accumulated fragments)
3 Warrior souls
600K Gold
A full set of not-commonly-found talismans

Benjamin Breeg Eddie is in the Heroic Souls starting on October 29. Let's assume Doomsday Eddie is in the following round and Crusader Eddie in the round after that. That puts Daedalus and Baroness Redan in the Heroic souls sometime in, say, December at the earliest. That's about 5 seasons of the Gauntlet before they're in the Heroic Souls, which is 40 Heroic Souls from the Gauntlet plus whatever other Heroic Souls you get from other events. 40 Heroic Souls gives you a better chance of getting Daedalus or Baroness Redan than the event souls from their own events. And you rack up fragments for a 5-star Eddie to sacrifice. And it doesn't cost you any Ironite.

Event finished: 10 souls = nothing but 4+ dupes

Bought 10 souls from the store and again...nothing :mad:

I bought 10 and got the 10 from the even and put all into the book together and managed to get a Baroness and a single 4* dupe - can't complain.

Bought 10 pack with Ironite and opened 10 from the event completions... alas nuthin' good. :(

Completed all the goals and no Baroness. I did pull the Sentinel Golden Son, which is a new toon for me. So I'm not going to complain. Gauntlet was kinder though, my Heroics have dropped another Nomad and the GCR.

Completed all the goals. No Baroness from the 10 souls but given that it's a 1.68% chance of getting a 5-star, I'm not upset. The 5 Skill Shards make me happy. I did get a new toon...sort of. I saw the advice about using an Assassin Pyro for the automatic perfect attacks buff, went to my team inventory and couldn't find an Assassin Pyro among my Level 100 toons. I got to wondering if it was a limited edition toon from a year or two ago or something and maybe missed out on it. I ended up finding one among my forgotten pile of 4-star toons waiting to be sacrificed! I must have sacrificed a bunch of 'em over the past year without realizing it. So hey, maybe not a new toon, but a new-to-me toon!

All goals complete. I did not get a Baroness, but did get a Viking Eddie. The Viking is a duplicate, but will make a good sacrifice.

Hell yeah, yesterday i got them!

10x 3* Dupes. Whooop. :D

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Originally Posted by Symbiote

Hell yeah, yesterday i got them!

10x 3* Dupes. Whooop. :D

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Whoo, the same for me today. 10x3* dupes. The sacrifice was amazing!!

After 50 souls, finally got her ... totally worth

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Originally Posted by kgk56

After 50 souls, finally got her ... totally worth

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50 ?? Wow, thats a lot!

I'll open my 10 souls tomorrow after the event is over. This helps against the temptation to buy more souls :)

She can be really annoying in PvP, but with a good strategy and some luck you get her killing her own team, which is nice!

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Worked hard the whole week! bought 20 more for hardly earned 1800 ironite and all i got from 30 [moderated] souls was a magus golden son, wicker man and 28 [moderated] 3 [moderated] stars!!!

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So frustrating...

Not bought a soul pack in a very long time now and that will continue - I have so very little luck on gambling that I decided a long time ago not to bother on these packs as I never got a single character I wanted to get in an event through them. So far I got 2 event souls in all the time I have played this game from actual events linked to that character - none from soul packs ever.

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Originally Posted by Mizrael

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Worked hard the whole week! bought 20 more for hardly earned 1800 ironite and all i got from 30 [moderated] souls was a magus golden son, wicker man and 28 [moderated] 3 [moderated] stars!!!

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So frustrating...

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0,0168 * 0,41 * 30 = 0,2067

With 30 souls you only have 20% to get that toon.

I think, that they still don't write the real percent rate is against apple rules.

Writing 1,68% and 41% looks better than 0,69% ( 0,0168 * 0,41 )

first rule for this game:
never buy EVENT souls and save ironite for good events...

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Originally Posted by Ip4

first rule for this game:
never buy EVENT souls and save ironite for good events...

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Yeah, that is my view too. Spend it on events where you know you will get something. Like the fragment events before the sac event - I tend ot go for that - get lots of the event toon and then sac them.

Why does 41% chance to pulled a toon look better than 0.41? They are identical. Just another reason for people to complain about a non issue.every event someone whines about the odds. Any long term player knows how the game works.

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Originally Posted by Muzzleloader

Why does 41% chance to pulled a toon look better than 0.41? They are identical. Just another reason for people to complain about a non issue.every event someone whines about the odds. Any long term player knows how the game works.

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I think what he meant was that 41% (= "big number"...almost 50:50) looks better than 0.69%. That's why in the BoS you have this 2 stages of percentage - first for a 5* in general (small number) but then the second one (BIG number) for the event character.

Most players have stopped to buy event souls - concluded from what I read here. I guess the majority of event pack buyers don't know this forum :)

I also completely stopped to buy these souls. I did it in the first event when the Liliths were introduced as I misread the post. I didn't get that they will be available so frequently afterwards in the fragment events. So I bought 4 packs of 10 souls and did not get one single Lilith from these. Lesson learned!

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Originally Posted by Blade

I guess the majority of event pack buyers don't know this forum :)

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I know the Forum and still I buy event pack ... call Me stupid ... but this time I really wanted this toon and I don't regret it

People are terrible with statistics.
Why do you think the lottery is so popular?
There's a higher chance you'll get hit by lightning than winning the lottery, by something like 2 orders of magnitude, yet people still waste their money.

Something I always think about when the soul odds topic comes up is that people assume that the odds for every character are equal, which we do not know is true.

Take the Rare soul with it's 1% chance for a 5*; there are 17 5* characters available in a Rare soul, 10 Eddies and 7 support.
Might be that it's a straight 5.88% chance for each character if you win the 1% lotto, but could be that there's a further 5% chance to get an Eddie and 95% chance to get support, and then it might not be an even chance within the Eddie or support pool. Granted, giving every character it's own % chance within the 5* tier goes against Occam's Razor, but different odds to get an Eddie vs support would be easy.

Precious soul : if you earn a x*, 100% chance of heart or idol
Surprise, surprise, those are the only things available at each tier. Are they really a 50% chance for each one in each tier? Seems likely, but my anecdotal results seem to favor idols over hearts.

The problem with us trying to calculate odds is that there is too much unknown, and small sample sizes.
We don't know what PRNG is used, how it's seeded, or how often it's reseeded. PRNG can be very good or total crap, and even good ones can be made to function poorly when set up wrong. Hopefully they didn't write their own, that's usually a terrible idea.
Dropping 100 souls is not a large sample size, 1000 is still a small sample size, really. The only way to really know is to test the PRNG against something like the Diehard tests.