Actually if NF gave a damn about player satisfaction.. frags for the Emperor Ed and the Assassin character would be dropping in LOL because there's no way to get those characters other than sheer 0.07% luck or spending massive amounts of money. The prices are just ludicrous.
Agreed, prices are outrageous for digital content.
Musashi is cool but hard to get for now until Heroic souls get him in rotation. What is the appeal for the new fury-less Eddie if you already have a maxed sharded Samurai? I have the Gunner and Assassin chicks and they are very cool with new skills. But the new trend of making Eddies without a fury is junk. Eddies without a fury are not worthy of being in my roster, I really love watching the show when the fury button sets him loose. One of the highlights of playing.
One of the things I really like about running Alexander Eddie is the lack of fury. I can pair him up with a character that has fury like Ra or Goddess Aset etc... and not have to wonder which fury will fire each round when running auto play.
Agree there. Not having the fury CAN be beneficial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim28213
End of event for me. Received with the 10 souls:
Golden son
Magus corrupt droid (my third one)
and for a while a character event: Koku, shinobi bandit (assassin). Good for me because I don't have that much assassin for gauntlet.
only shit 3* here and 1 or 2 4* dupe like always :)
Still have 5 more souls to open, so far two girls, warrior and assassin. I'll open the rest during the next sac event.
I got (with the 10 free souls and 4 mega-packs) 2 Samourais Emperor, Ibuki, Kurenai & Ichiyo. Will wait for Musashi & Koku.
zero event characters this time...
No event character for me either.
I believe there is a serious problem with the fact that they release a limited time EDDIE. The other i do not care about.
Being the top in Gauntlet (finished 11 last week - too low on ironite to repeat it this week). Every eddie is essential. And it will simply not be possible to be in the top without paying real money to ensure you get the new limited time eddie.
See at that point it turns into pure pay to win. So far i have played this game not spending a penny. That wont work now.
They LOVE players who spend that much for characters they will probably never use a week after the event. Good job!Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk56
I refuse to spend... with naturally accumulated resources, thus far I've pull the Assassin Hellraiser, and the Sentinel Japanese girl (whatever they are called). I have about 100 more Blinding burns to inflict before pulling my last 3 Wanderer Souls. And there's no telling if I'll hit 200 more frags for a second gangland soul - let alone another 400 for the soul of my choice.
Casual players are left in the dust with these events. They are geared specifically so hardcore players spend as much resources and MONEY as they can get them to spend.
of course... can you name any FREE economical system that actually work ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
You dare to call yourself a casual player ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
Spending $100 for a 0.7% chance to get a character which has ZERO real world value is ridiculous. Ridiculous even if the $100 is no big deal to you. The prices in this "game" are abnormally HIGH for digital content, especially considering any purchases only give you a CHANCE of MAYBE getting what you are after. It may be different if you spent $100 and were GUARANTEED you'd get new digital content.
NF hasn't figured out that lowering prices would actually make them more money. They'd rather have 100 people spending $100 than 5,000 people spending $10 or 20,000 people spending $1.
You don't feel ripped off when someone who spends NOTHING gets the character immediately? NF gets your $100 for the same thing they give away. It's foolish.
And casual.... Not spending money on boosts and not falling for the Pay-to-Win aspect.
You didn't answer to the first question : name a free economic model that can work.
For the rest, I agreed with you (actually due to my weak physical condition, this game is my only pleasure so... )
This week feels like any goodwill generated from October has been lost - including from those who may have donated actual cash.
Earn 10 souls, but 'must' buy another 65 for 1 character that has no real world value I don't get - if you couod trade, sell or 'cash out' then the cost makes sense, but £100 for a chance at a digital toon that has no real value just seems like a pointless waste (but different players have different views and it's their money at the end of the day).
... but £100 for a chance at a digital toon that has no real value just seems like a pointless waste (but different players have different views and it's their money at the end of the day).[/QUOTE]
Correction, at the end of the day it is NFs money from some players who buy event souls giving mostly 3star shit. I haven't bought any since I got burned law Xmas looking for coalgiver! Never again!!
Hell yeah, i got Samurai Emperor Eddie... :O
I'm so happy.., i was chasing normal Samurai Eddie for sooo long..,
and i really wanted this one because i really like the look of him.
I threw in all 10 Wanderer Souls at once, short and sweet.., then bam.., red eyes.., and i hoped.., fingers crossed.., eyes closed.., xD
and when i looked again i saw this Eddie...
Damn! :D
No Musashi and i got Kokú, Shinboi Bandit and 8 3* dupes.
BUT i really don't like the fact, that it is still unclear if they will appear again in the game like all the other Characters.., because like others said the ingame News says, it will be a long time for another chance.., pls don't do things like characters where you will never get the chance again.., this really ISN'T a good way you should go except you WANT to lose your long time players who really love this game.., what's nowadays really hard to do...
This Thread only says Eddie and Musashi will ONLY be available in Wanderer Souls..,
or this thing with buy 65 other Souls to get Musashi for sure or 40 for Samurai.., REALLY?
NF please CHANGE your way how you commnunicate with your loyal Players..,
And to make money.., what would be with another way.., like something like 5 Euro per month, for 2x resources or something like this.., which maybe would give you MORE players who would buy it and it would be a more regular income for you.., instead of these overpriced things like 30-100 EUROS for some digital shit.., i can buy a FULL PRICE games for 5-15 Euros (with continoues Updates for free).., or AAA ones for 40-60 Euro..
I mean.., YOU will nothing lose if you would do some other ways for DIGITAL things..,
Every toon will come again at another event. They want us to believe that every new toon is a must have, so that we put money into the game.
I do only the minimum "work" to get everything new.
Don't waste your materials (SOT, SOW and Ironite)!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk56
Do you know the 3D Software Blender?
It's free and Open Source.., some months ago i spent the first time after 6 years of learning it for FREE.
I spent money to support them and i wanted that little goodie what you get for this..,
Ok it had a hard way, but it worked and NOW it grows bigger and bigger and for years it can do things like all the big ones which costs thousands of dollars!
I never would had the chance to learn 3D if there weren't Human Beings like the one behind Blender..
I really LOVE this Software, imho it's the best free software out there in this whole world. :D
And with all the love from all the HAPPY users it could get that big like it's today.
You nailed it..,Quote:
Originally Posted by URock
And do not spend Money. ;)
Even if they need it to develope it.., but it seems that they only want the money.
They have a very evil way to earn money... :( Except they would change something, more human and more FOR the players..,
But the price tags for virtual things are just cruel...
Okay, call me stupid but I bought the additional mega-packs to obtain Samurai Emperor and Musashi. 5900 ironite in total. I didn't spend a dime on it because I had a big ironite reserve saved. Otherwise I'd never buy it with real money. Were these 2 chars worth it? Probably not, but I feel that I'm close to saying farewell to this game so just decided to make use of the remaining resources and have some fun with the new Japanese chars while I'm still here. Also pulled the 4 shinobi girls as a side effect of opening the 75 souls.
Anyway, these pay-to-win practices that we've seen lately are definitely not a good thing. Of course it's designed to make us spend. It's understandable that NF needs money to continue work on the game but the way it's done is very aggressive and, as was already said above, the prices are ridiculous. I mean, seriously, some items in the store like Ferryman's Tribute or Pharaoh's Treasure have insane prices. I can have both Grand Theft Auto 5 and The Witcher 3 for less money than each of these packs! And they're both top quality AAA games. Even if the prices in the store were 10 times lower, I'd still hesitate before buying anything. Seriously, NF, it's ridiculous, I don't know if you have many players that actually pay for this but if you lowered the prices then there might actually be more players willing to purchase some of the stuff. Shortly after I started playing in January this year, there was some pack (probably called Starter Pack) which offered a reasonable amount of goods for a really low price. I bought it. Then after 3 months or so, a similar thing popped up (which also offered Eddie I didn't have), also for a low price. Bought it as well. Since then such low price items never appeared again. All I see now is some overpriced garbage that I'll never buy. You can draw conclusions yourself. I feel that if the current P2W trend continues, more and more players will be leaving the game (which is already happening).
That said, the art of the new characters is great (I especially like the tattoos on the chicks). Good work from your GFX guys.
The game has great potential but I feel that you're just taking a wrong approach lately, like you're trying too hard to make players spend.
I wonder what Night City will bring...
Ok, this post is too long already... Signing off...
Knut
Long but sadly accurate... why don’t they listen...
I really appreciate your post, Knut! Amazing how you saved 5900 Ironite despite the growing demand for refills in the last events! As I am also a collector I can somewhat understand what you did there, if I had the Ironite I might have done the same.
Despite I play since almost the beginning, I also remember the starter pack and another really nice offer that I bought. Since then I did not spend more, as the prices are ridiculous (I fully agree with your comparison to GTA5 and the Witcher 3! Currently I enjoy Mad Max that I bought for 5€ - a bit repetitive but really a great game! For 5€...what do you get here for 5€?). The name for this business model is microtransactions, right? Micro! Not Makro! Once in a while there was a nice little offer like 300 Ironite for 2€ or something similar that I bought. Why is that one not available more often?
We will see what the future brings. I don't plan to spend money. I found good ways to be effective with the resources I have and it was always possible to participate in all parts of the game without buying Ironite. But things have changed and I am below 1k of Ironite for the first time since a long period. Some more breaks between events are needed so that the resources can recover. Nevertheless, if I see that it is not possible anymore to recover I will also quit.
For me 10$ per month is absolute maximum I will spend. I understand NF needs money to operate and so I buy little things ( some cheap talisman set for example ) sometimes.
Well I finished the event but no new characters. There is one positive thing about all the new characters; you have a higher chance now of pulling something that you don't have. I want to comment on the spending or not spending of real money on the game. To enhance my enjoyment of the game and to help support the company to keep this great game and community going, I plan to spend money. The price has to be right through. When the packs came out that included Alexander fragments I was excited-until I saw that it was going to cost $200 to get one character. I can buy several games for that price.
but you did give money anyway (and we all want that little goodie)Quote:
Originally Posted by Symbiote
I only asked : how many days, weeks, months or years a game can be supported by developpers without money or advertising ? do you want LotB with ads ? I personally don't
And I really don't like peoples who don't spend a dime on the game but who whine, complain or brag about bugs, small rewards, time consumming, high prices ... They spend nothing so I think they can't ask quality services.
And last but not the least, don't forget that NF must pay copyrights to Iron Maiden (and I'm pretty sure it's more than a dime).
Got one more lot of red eyes from the remaining souls I had. Clansman though instead of either Samurai Emperor or Musashi, so much for increased odds. That 59% is still the more likely scenario...
Yeah, it was the first time i spent some money, but you can't compare this with a game which is sooo overpriced for digital crap.., and i didn't pay for the goodie.., the goodie was an little "Thank you that you support us".Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk56
And i used this software for over 6 years before i spent anything.., it was free for so many years and will ever be..,
And if i had more money i would spend a monthly fee to support them more because they gave soooo many people a wonderful software to learn something were other companys want thousands of dollars..
Don't get me wrong, i really like this game, and i would spend money if they would do a better job..,
But how they try to get money isn't a good way to me..,
You should see why so many players are complaining..,
Because they don't give a shit on bugs, more and more bugs and other things but throw so much overprices pay to win crap after us.., and some people gave them money for this..,
The ones who aren't blind won't support this.., because the more the long time players get cheated the more will leave.., and then they will never get money again..,
If they would change something in their money milking business they could get more money in my eyes for less prices and could do better work on things which are more important than one character after another..,
Happy Players and fair prices = more money in my opinion.
At first there SHOULD BE QUALITY and THEN the Money. You know? But if we get more and more unpolished things.., people who aren't blind will not spend..,
And like i said, i play games.., which where free or only cost 5 Euros and are still in developing for more than 5-7 years!
I never really play the arena much, aside from the occasional desire or event I'm interested in. My rank when I started playing and noticed I was around 10k. Now with no changes aside from becoming stronger in the game, I still play it the same. I'm now ranked around 2,000. I wonder how many have left the game quietly and how many are still playing? I can't see my rank going up if I don't apply myself to get it up. I might play an average of 10 arena battles a week.
Huckfinn, why dont you play just to earn some IC. I know some people dont care for the arena, partially including myself. I just play above that SoW I dont use in the gauntlet. You can always buy Skill shards, relics which really help in the game or even talisman. I fought against lone Eddie's this week while earning 1 k IC for little effort.
@Muzzleloader I lost interest when the primordial talismans and relics took over. My teams were too weak to be competitive. I dried to casual playing and it relieved a lot of unnecessary aggravation. I enjoy playing it in a passive aspect now. I have gotten some relics and iron come for talismans and other things. I like the gauntlet, but still need to build my roster more lol. I just lost interest in the arena very early in the game.
eventually everything gets balanced..Quote:
Originally Posted by HuckFinn150
for example with the sacrifice event taking place right now, you can collect talismans which let you copy the beneficial effects (included golden ones) of the enemies.
The only problem is that the talisman sets which let you gain golden effects are mainly yellow and this makes them kind of a prerogative of gunner characters, while to be more balanced they should release talisman sets like this which can be equipped by chars of any class
Agreed, I've found wats to deal with most of the talismans and aquired a few over time. I just never regained interest in the arena. I've been playing it today to burn some sow, but am waiting on gauntlet to reset. I like it for its new challenge and rewards.