Kaz : what about those who bought the beast for 3500 like myself, are you going to give back the extra 500 it cost just a few days ago ? Seems really unfair if you don’t.
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Kaz : what about those who bought the beast for 3500 like myself, are you going to give back the extra 500 it cost just a few days ago ? Seems really unfair if you don’t.
This is indeed ok, but only for the recent and in particular FUTURE fragment drops. But definitively not for the frags that we earned during the old times when these drops were NOT that common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leviathan
Do you plan any sort of compensation?
Leviathan, I cant speak for anyone but myself. I dont find the exchange rate increase out of line since all the recent changes in acquiring frags. The problem is the devaluation of current inventories without an explicit time for the change to allow players a chance to cash their frags for souls.
An alternative to devaluation could have been creating new frags and allow players to use the old frags at their original exchange rate.
Hey Blade - I've been thinking about how to respond to this thing. A lot of my thoughts have already been stated by others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade
But, since you asked me specifically, let me say a few random things.
First, it was just a couple days ago that the LotB team unexpectedly lifted the limits on some key Blood Fragment items in the Store. That built a ton of goodwill with me, so I'm probably a lot more tolerant of this price change than I otherwise would have been.
Second, the actual impact of this specific change to my own account isn't that terrible. I am a notorious hoarder of resources, but rare souls and rare soul fragments are the least valuable souls to me, so I always burn them first in sacrifice events. I currently have only 200 or so rare soul fragments. Similarly, I don't have a ton of rare class soul fragments. Because rare class souls are scarce enough, they don't create large inventory problems against the 50 soul stack limit. So, I usually convert those fragments to souls right away. Legendary Souls were a bigger loss, where I lost about 30 of them. So, I personally got pretty lucky based on how I have optimized in the face of the 50 soul stack limit. I have been asking for over a year for the 50 soul stack limit to increase, and that only becomes more reasonable as we get more types of souls.
Third, even though I personally wasn't hit particularly bad this time, I don't evaluate changes to the game based on how they affect me personally. I try to be more objective and consider how they affect the game integrity and community. In that regard, I'm quite unhappy with this change. For me, it's less about the specifics of the particular change and more about the precedent that was set. We were given only about 24 hours notice that this was even being considered. And, there was no notice about the specific timing. So, waking up to a significant reduction of resources makes me more cautious about the future.
I do believe that the LotB team has good intentions. Very often, choices they make that seem strange at first turn out to be very reasonable once we get the big picture down the road. That may happen again this time, but I still don't like the feeling of essentially having souls taken away without notice.
I agree with this 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
So Amarthir...The Beast is one of the only characters you don't have. Will you get him or should we wait until he is on sale for less than 3k? Really all we use any of these novelty characters for is once or twice every two weeks in Gauntlet. Takes a looong time to pile up 3k FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarthir
Seriously devs, two days ago The Beast was released on FC store for 3500, which I bought this morning. Now it costs 3000. Will you give me my 500 FC back?
There was again the new data info. I thought they would set back the fragment rates.... but guess what they did? The Beast now costs 3.5k again!Quote:
Originally Posted by R1ck
I'm sure the changes will be wonderful moving forward. I'm sure I will appreciate having an easier time getting these resources moving forward. I feel really ripped off for the way this was presented and implemented right now, and likely for a good bit of time moving forward. This is just a really bad PR job and lack of consideration of the impact of changing an existing resource.
Were you in such a hurry to implement this change before we could all cash in our existing stock that you weren't able to get the Banshee fix in as well? Now you increase the cost of Beast again in a hotfix? Way to make a bad customer service event look even worse.
I love this game. I hate the way you guys implement updates and changes. It always feels like everything is so rushed that you just cannot get it all right.
Hey Druid,Quote:
Originally Posted by druid138
thanks for your reply! That's why I usually like your post a lot. They are well written (at least for me as a non-native speaker), well reflected and always seeing the bigger frame.
Also I remember that you always did a good job in being effective and efficient in the game so I wondered if we share more strategies. This is not the case concerning the rare soul frags. I think they are valuable, as in some events they are the only souls that count. Moreover, I recently avoided using rares during sacrifices, as I currently have/had all chars available in that pool, until Iron Maiden Eddie came out.
I mostly agree with the reasoning Leviathan gave, certainly not for the class rares...those frags are the most scarce resource in the game actually, lol!
The idea from Muzzle about the new rare soul type is just perfect! And could still be implemented...cough cough devs.... easy solution making your players happy...cough cough
This would have been my next post. Waiting to get the announced Banshee fix done before releasing that update with the severe consequences for our frags would have saved us all a lot of anger!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim28213
i'm just glad i cashed in before the tuning
to be honest i didnt expect the update before the Feb events were over
C'mon NF surely you see
the fragment snafu is pretty underhanded and low even by your standards
Notice should have been given just like y'all did with the skill shards back when.
Given the Pavlovian routine for claiming frags/souls it's easy to not pay too much attention to the cost after a while, and that I'm guessing is what they're counting on the players doing. You'll never see a claim all button in this game because it would break the conditioning cycle
Okay, a couple final comments after a few more hours of reflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by druid138
First, to be honest, the fact that I lost 30 legendary souls is more painful than I was originally giving it credit for. Initially, I was mostly focused on the fact that it could have been a lot worse. But, 30 legendaries go a long way when you consider all the downstream benefits from sacrificing.
Second, that being the case, I will be the first to admit that I have benefited a lot from some unintentionally generous events in this game. I missed out on the Primordial sacrifice event. But, I was able to sacrifice pretty aggressively in all of the other sacrifice events that were probably more generous than the LotB team intended (last month's included). So, to be fair, while it does sting to see the souls disappear, I am sure that I am still net positive compared to what the LotB team originally intended when calibrating their events.
Thanks, Blade! I appreciate it! I agree with your point about rare souls. I do still burn them first, but I always save two stacks for the kinds of events you're referring to. I probably should save more of them actually. But, for now, I guess I got lucky to not have many rare soul frags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade
I agree that the last months sac event has been really generous. I got 2-3 new characters and a shit ton of FC and heroic souls. I saved over 4K legendary fragments I got from that event for the next sac event. But The fact that more than half of that has been taken away without any notice doesn’t build any goodwill with the player base.Quote:
Originally Posted by druid138
I totally understand and agree the reason behind increasing the cost for claiming legendary souls. Though the 20+ legendary souls I lost would have been useful in the next sac event, I personally didn’t feel too upset to lose them. I feel more angry about the way it was done.
I feel like NF did a very generous event and gave us a lot of shit only to take more than half of it away when we are not looking. That feeling just makes me not wanna play this game. But instead I decided to be a freeloader going forward and not spend a dime on this game.
oh labyrinth ...at this rate, might it shock you if they start banning characters or talismans??
the new content is just power and power, with little or no weakness as before and as everything becomes OP out of nowhere, the fun is drifting away. just look at the teams on the arena.. same three characters with no creativity whatsoever. There's no strategy anymore, which is the actual fun in turn based games.
Reduce HP attacks are not frequent, even with talismans, but, i guess a "cannot be healed" draw back would counter it more effectively than expecting a random chance and without affecting the Overpowerness of the talisman .
I’ve read this entire thread, and I feel bad for you guys that got screwed, and yes, you got screwed. No question, and this is terrible customer treatment. That being said, the best and only way to combat this type of behavior is with your wallet. I’m an actual spender myself, and over the course of the three years I’ve played this game I have spent more than I have on a real online game in the same time frame. But I’ve also went long spells without dropping a dime because the drops have been shit and I know there hoping I’ll stick more in the slot machine. I don’t. My biggest purchases have been when I am happy because I finally got something. Lately though the packages have been effing terrible so it’s easier to not spend. I wait till they cough up the big Ironite over time deals as that is the only thing worth the money.
Some have commented on how “generous” NF has been lately, to which I sit here saying “bitch, please”. They need to do that once in awhile, because more often than not it’s not the case. The doubling of fragments for the souls in question are completely asinine as they aren’t worth a pinch of owl shit 99.9999999999% of the time. Pure sac fodder, nothing more. So yeah, I did not see why they wasted the time and resources on that particular endeavor. Whatever.
Vote with your wallets. It’s above all the loudest attention getter of any company looking to make money.
Navigator Games Board Meeting: "Wait... souls are too easy to get now... shit!.. Okay we need to screw the players and make that 0.01% probability of a good drop even more rare...... lets just DEVALUE everything they have collected already...."
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At the VERY least you could have multiplied current fragments by the same increase -- so If I had 450 Legendary fragments and a Legendary soul cost 100 Frags... I had 4.5 souls... you could have upped the cost to 250 frags.. and UPPED MY FRAGMENTS to 1125 still leaving me 4.5 souls... but nooooooooooooooooooooo you just screw the players.
What is the point of having "Events" if you then turn around and take rewards AWAY from players?????
This is unethical and immoral. Perhaps again. borderline FRAUD. I used resources to acquire what I had. For you to just arbitrarily devalue the rewards makes it all bait and switch and false advertising.
Am I upset that I lost some souls due to this? No, not really. I'm not chasing any characters in souls at the moment so I was simply storing the fragments/souls. However, I am infuriated by the ETHICS shown in this move. I just hope all the stock in the company you may have gets diluted in the same manner...
You just devalued everything that was saved before, from crappier frag drops. Did you even once think about that? You reasoning is complete bullshit. You are trying to eliminate hoarders. I wipe my arse with your excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leviathan
I actually claimed all my souls BEFORE I found out which ones were gonna be changed. So it was lack of hesitation on my end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
Well I'll certainly buy him once I have enough frontier coins. I'm about halfway there with just over 1700 frontier coins in my pocket. I still don't like how high the price is considering that he isn't even that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by edsel
Total unethical move with devaluing the soul frags ALREADY EARNED! You guys just snuck this in very quickly before we could all cash in our frags too. I mean when has there ever an update on the first of the month? Seriously disappointed in you guys for pulling this crap!
I was just about to buy the 850 ironite deal because I was happy that I got the Killer Beast with the blood frags + 10 bought souls AND I finally got the beast from saving FC forever but wanted to wait for the update happening. Even I don't have frags to claim left (burnt a lot in the last sac event) I cannot support that move. I simply can't,Quote:
Originally Posted by Saigrim
I agree with all the angry people here. The move would be OK if handled very much differently - new soul to let the old one running out smooth or like Yup said compensate the frags in the bank to level the field. And yes there are so many popup windows in the game that they could have easily warned everyone loud and clear what will happen. Not cool.
It is true that souls are easier to get but I said a few weeks ago that souls are rather worthless now as the high level chars don't turn up in them and like you said: pure Sac fodder ... but even taking a lot of sac fodder away in this rather evil move is just a no go.
So I vote with my wallet and won't buy the ironite pack. Make it right and I will spend again once in a while (not the crazy prices you they are asking for those "offers" but the occasional ironite pack)
The Thing is think is even more crazy is the increased Prize for openign Souls! I have to pay more than 2 Million for 1 rare stack now? and 7 Million for 1 stack of legendarys? How the hell Am i Supposed to pay that over a decent period of time! If this goes on, i wont be able to Play one day because i cant open any Souls, because i have no Gold! You should actually DECREASE the Prize for Opening a Soul, not increase! Could you please tell me how this Change made any sense?
Shitty move for them to change it so suddenly without warning!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormseye
Still, what were mythicals before, 450?
Class epics, I think were 250 previously werent they? The 'base' ones seem to be the ones impacted most.
Not soo much of an impact for me as I has only really mythicals in shards still....
Thank you for pointing that one out, I didn't notice until I read your post. The price for rare souls was exactly doubled. They made adjustments for claiming and redeeming souls overnight, but the bug, where ass banshee's passive triggers 65% of the time instead of 35% has been excluded from this overnight update ? This one has been pointed out a few days after the release of the banshee and still nothing happens ? What the hell ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emperor
You absolutely have to improve communication with the player base and get your priorities straight (1. bug fixes, 2. testing new stuff before release, 3. adjustment of op stuff, 4. work on new content, and then, if you have excess capacities, you can start thinking about reworking the visuals of old content).
You should also start to take our feedback more serious. Virtually all of us are complaining about the upcoming talismans, but you're blurting out blatant lies instead of taking the concept back to the drawing table.
If you want the game to make it to 2020 you should take us more seriously.
Wow, I also did not notice that price jump by now. Another thing that was done on the fly, without any communication about it. For sure the plan is to reduce the outcome from sac events. In general I can somehow even understand that. But the way these changes are done (don't forget they also changed prices during the last sac event!) is really not ok, unworthy and pollutes the name of Iron Maiden. They will never ever see another penny from my side and concluding from what I read here, many others do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liu
Uh, wow.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emperor
The cost for just opening souls was ridiculous to begin with. “Hey, your chances of getting that character you really wanted are shit to begin with, but why don’t we just take all your gold while you’re at it just for cashing in that soul that cost you twice as many fragments to accumulate.”
Yeah, at this rate, despite the fact I love the art and I’m playing a game based on the best branding a heavy metal band ever marketed, and Maiden is the best act in the world, I’m about to break this particular gaming habit.
They really seem to love the nails for their own coffin.
I thought I'd share the latest post of mine in the Forums to the group as it is an issue that is upsetting a fuckton of players
I don't post in here often, but when I do it's normally over something big.
And this is something HUGE
You Nutting Frogs have made very unethical moves in the past, but this one takes the cake !
Devaluing the soul frags for the different Rare Souls, Legendary Souls and Mythical is just straight up disrespectful slap in the face to players across the board ! No advanced warning was given to give players the chance to cash in much hard earned resources ! And your piss poor excuses about an oversight on your part as to posting the preliminary tuning changes later then usual is just complete and utter bullshit !
I for one will call you out on your BULLSHIT and tell you just WHY your excuse hold no water !
1. Out of the thousands of players that play this game an extremely large portion of them DO NOT read the forums.
2. NEVER is any preliminary tuning changes EVER posted to the Official Fakebook page...and even if they were...again the same as #1 not everyone even messes with that page
3. Of the groups dedicated to the game, again only those groups that have the foresight to share the preliminary tuning changes will have any warning...and again only the members of those group...NOT those people that are not members
Therefore you are missing the largest portion of your player base and NOT given any chance of a fair warning to players to cash in on much hard earned resources before you just completely and utterly screw them over !
So I say again...BULLSHIT
And this seems to be the order of the day anymore where Nutting Frog/Navigator Games is concerned is complete and utter BULLSHIT !
Instead of charging less for content bundles, getting MORE players willing to spend money...you charge over priced content.
Instead of giving players a breather from events to work on talismans and characters you flood the game with overlapping event after over lapping event forcing them to participate or get left behind, trying to force their hand at laying waste to resources such as Sands and Ironite which in turn forces them to reconsider spending money they need for day to day living and bills.
You flood the game with new characters you know players will want, saying bullshit like 750 fragments guarantees them the character...yet only give them the chance at earning like 10 of the 75 souls needed...forcing them to throw down cold hard earned cash for the Ironite bundles needed to get the rest of those 75 souls
You throw in over powered talisman as event specials yet only sell them in the store instead of making them earnable in said event
You have been told for months and months on end about serious flaws, issues, errors, bugs and glitches within the game yet take no serious amount of time to fix them...instead wasting time on making runes, shards and talismans look pretty...peddy visual tweaks that in no way shape or form improve the game play or fix system mechanics
Promise much over hyped empty promises for future things to come and all the while ignore serious issues
You KNOW without a shadow of a doubt how completely and utterly broken the Arena is, yet keep throwing out monthly Arena events for which players are expected to play through all those serious flaws and earn rewards
There HAS to be a good communication between you and your player base and yet Support treats us like liars and is beyond rude when we report issues..which in turn disillusions players from ever contacting Support over anything
You treat you player base like we're idiots..telling us flaws and issues are on our end of things instead...blaming the player...for faults you know full well are your own.
And yet...you wonder why those of us that have the BALLS to speak out on behalf of ourselves and others who have no voice because of the three reasons I listed, are sometimes as out spoken if not at times down right rude as we are !
Get your fucking shit together and learn how to run this game like it should be ran...go take classes...get a business partner that has experience at running an online mobile app game...whatever it takes !
Before you just completely kill this game and force yourselves to have to seek employment elsewhere
I completely missed this change happening so have been screwed over. It's not the first time I've been screwed over by NF - I'm starting to get used to being treated like a cash cow. But not any more. Was about to spend real money and this happened, so I will be voting with my wallet & not spending. More players should do this too, because until it hurts they won't listen to us.
I wonder what Iron Maiden would think of the way their fans are treated by this game? Can't imagine they'd be at all happy about it (& rightly so).
I’d doubt the band is overly involved with the game, though I could be way off. I’d hope like hell that Harris is not another Gene Simmons just looking to fuck his fans for every penny he can get. As the recent video going around suggests, they have asked for his input before, and maybe that was just because the character was based on him. I’m sure the band pays attention to the game somewhat, but I don’t believe they’re the ones pulling the strings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplepixii
And on that particular thought, I hope you guys remember not to take it all out on Kaz. He is more or less just the Mouth of Sauron. The real douche bag is further up the ladder.
I don’t have a lot of time to read the whole thing today, so could someone tell me in a sentence or 2 what happened with soul frags? What cost increased or how were they devalued? Thanks.
Legendary: 100 -> 250Quote:
Originally Posted by Zugzwang
Rare: 25 -> 50 (24k to open)
People had loads of frags because of the limits on souls stacks. Could not claim because time in between info about that and update was less than 24 hours.
Good enough?
P.S: just realized I still have 48 Heart souls and they cost now 100k each to open ... wow ...
Hold, guess you could convert them to precious souls. For the top end players the soul reclaim cost will be an inconvenience, the new to mid level players it will definetly pinch them while they are still upgraded talisman and evolving toons.
Gold will become a premium at the next sacathon event, everyone will need to start their savings account.
Oh so it’s gold increased too. Wow yea that’s problematic.
Only 2.4 million to cash in that stack of regular heroic souls and get that character you’ve always wanted. What’s that you say? You can’t afford it? Worry not! Just head to the game store and buy our stupidly priced gold packs.
Lol! Not sure if this is actually funny or sad.
So, according to actual gold prices in the store it’s a little less than $20 to now cash in a stack of regular souls.
Good thinking but I really actually got 48 Heart souls and not the fragments for them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
It's OK - I open one every Sunday so that's <sarcasm>loads of fun for a year</sarcasm>!