There's always block, steal or remove beneficial effect skills.
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There's always block, steal or remove beneficial effect skills.
I just had a thought regarding how to fairly start a PvP battle:
1. there's a countdown timer on the 'pick your team' page... and you can see what the opponent is picking at the same time that you are selecting your characters for battle. You can select characters and you have the ability to change them within the allotted time.
2. When you're ready, you can 'lock' your characters in. Once you lock characters in, you can no longer change them (this will lock all of your characters at the same time, and signifies that you are ready for battle). The opponent cannot tell if you have locked or not, but both players must lock before the timer is up.
3. The first player that locks his characters in gets to attack first. The thinking here is that they get the advantage of first attack, but his opponent gets the advantage of finalizing his team after seeing his opponent locked in. Hopefully this balances things out better. If you really want to go first, you can lock your team selection early, but the opponent can then counter your selection, so watch out!
any thoughts?
Be realistic, don't ask for the impossible.
A very good balanced PVP will have at max 10-12 suitable charachters and 4-5 eddies. To achieve that will be a real good work and believe me, that's not easy, and it is not sure devs will succeed at that. Fuck the owl cultist, who cares.
Yeah, I don't believe PVP will be actual live battles. If this game follows the patterns of every other game like this you'll be playing other players teams (that they've pre-selected) fighting with AI. This actually gives quite an advantage considering how stupid AI can be.
I do hope that rankings are only determine by your wins and losses. It sucks when other people beating your AI-powered team knock you down in the rankings. Make the game too grindy for me.
If they leave the fight to the AI simply it won't be interesting in any way. Even more considering that the AI in this game is horrible and tuning it requires a much harder work than create a good live system.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
I'm not familiar with any game like this with a live PVP system. Do you know of any?Quote:
Originally Posted by Qed
well, this is a turn-based game... so it wouldn't be impossible for it to be live. I think it would be a lot more fair and a lot more fun.
If we will be fighting against other player's AI controlled teams, then the defending (AI controlled) player should have an advantage, such as one more character (ie: 4 vs. 5 like in the dungeons).
I agree with you ,it will be fun, I hope they release it soon, AI can be very stupid when it ignore chars passive and ability of the attack but the rest of it will be fineQuote:
Originally Posted by OpticSugar
Clash Royale? And that's not even turn based... it really nails the live play.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
Think outside the grafic aspect, it is not far from Hearthstone or even chess. The only thing you have to manage is the team composition and the sequance of your "moves".Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
yeah, this game is basically like D&D with cool graphics and animations... it's pretty much a bunch of dice rolls... I don't see anything standing in the way of a live opponent situation here. Each turn the player gets a 15 second timer so the game can't be abandoned by any of the players... if they let the timer run out, they lose the match. Make sure you have a good internet connection my fellow troopers!
I just hope that the Demigorgon doesn't show up! You thought the beast was hard to kill!
Hey, I hope you're right! I'm not a hardcore gamer, but the few games I've been involved with in the past like MAA2, Marvel Contest of Champions and Clash of Clans were all run the way I mentioned.
I'd LOVE for it to be live PVP though.
I think that playing a PvP against an opponent's 'AI team' may have been a safe bet for games in the past... but it seems like lately they've started breaking out of that constraint and having success with real time gameplay. I used to LOVE Clash of Clans... and then I started playing Clash Royal (also by SuperCell) and what a difference it was to play against a live player!
Also, a few years back I used to play VainGlory on iOS - that game is AMAZING, but it started to annoy my wife because the matches would last anywhere from 20-30 minutes... and you can't walk away because it was 3v3 team play, and you would let down your entire team if you were AFK (away from keyboard). I really miss playing that, but now I have an 11 month old. At least with LotB, you can walk away from it (to change a diaper) and continue it at any time... well... until PvP comes along, hehe... that is, if it's live...
Maybe a dev can chime in here and clear things up? ;)
Imo it would make it easier for "Not So Good Players" to face an AI instead of a player who completed every level on madness 3 skulls, lets say your up against samurai eddie, and ur a noob (with shit chars :)) and the samurai is one hit away from death and you win, and your team is dead and only ur stupid stone golem is available, and its samurai's turn! Guess what, he used cyclone shield... GG
I don't think this will work fine. It's kind of complicate without many benefits, some good systems are already out there, the devs in my opinions should only pick the one that fits best with this game, some examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by OpticSugar
1) Blind pick
Every player builds his team, joins the queue and is matched according to the elo system, the initiative is rondomly detrminated and the game starts.
PRO: very simple, fery fast - plug&play like, casual friendly.
CON: quite random, less strategically interesting.
2) Counterpick system
- The player joins the queue and is matched according to the elo system.
- Prematch part: the initiative is randomly determined, the one that wins it picks first his team, the other can counterpick, once both players click "ready" the game starts.
PRO: random aspects are mitigated, more strategic approach.
CON: more "hardcore", more time consuming.
3) Mitigated counterpick.
As before but the characters are picked one by one, player one picks one, then player two picks one and so on till the teams are complete and the game starts.
typically, multiplayer games have some form of 'matchmaking' where you are paired up against an opponent of similar stature. Even if it only based on your XP level, that would pretty much eliminate your scenario. If they introduce some kind of ranking based on your performance in PvP (much like trophies in Clash of Clans) that can further help with matchmaking to help prevent the slaughter of the noobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekroliun
Elo doesn't lie, matchmaking is fair and the level of opponents is almost always comparable. If you see the preview arena video the devs published after the end of the game there are some numbers with +something (for the winner) -something (for the looser), that is elo system, it is too good and tested to be ignored and the devs probably already picked it as basic pvp system.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpticSugar
I play blazblue (and by play i mean login, get daily and logoff) it has a real time battle feature that rewards special currency upon winning, it also has a system like sacrifice which is called reforging, basically you put 3 pieces of gear (must be lvl 30 atleast) and you have a 5% chance of getting a pieve that is 5 levels better than the older 3 pieces, AND theres a 1% chance to get an item 10 times better than the original 3 pieces! And you can use scrolls to increase the chances! I got heartbroken when i spent 70 scrolls to get a lvl 55 item (rarest thing!) which ment i had a 70% of getting a lvl 55... And that little 30% to get a 45 won...Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
and there is also miscrits (prob the best pokemon game ever on phone) and the pvp there is turn based real time and you have 20 secs to do what u want, but in miscrits is much less grindy than LOTB, any new player can gather a bunch of commons and breed them into rares, then breed the rares into epics and then epics into exotics and finally exotics into legendaries, thats how i got my full legend team. Kinda like the sacrifice system but imo sacrifice is prob gonna have something like a 20% chance to get a better char while breeding has a 40%
Maybe the opponent can only see your first Eddie chosen on the pick screen... the other two Eddies are kept secret. That might add a little twist to things. It would be nice if we could hold a couple of surprise cards.
Not a bad idea, but the basic system doesn't change much with this change.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpticSugar
Interesting! A trump card would change the tide of the battle! But yeah... If your oponnent kills your eddie ur fucked... Unless when eddie dies another one jumps in!Quote:
Originally Posted by OpticSugar
Also speaking of noobs getting rekt, some noobs wont be able to get 1 win! Cuz some noobs dont know they need 3 allies instead of 1... That is what happened to me when lol came... I use one of the angels as they have pretty nice effects, but they all dont have any talismans...
are there any solutions for the live game, when there are two opponents who are living in different parts of the world? many people won't wake up at 4.00 am just to play a battle. this is a real life problem.
person vs. ai is pretty unfair, but it would be possible to play AI vs. AI or dumb vs. dumber ;-) this could be quite interesting in terms of team composition.
You play only versus someone that is online, you have to put your team in queue, just any other pvp game.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
A lot of interesting speculation here, I must say!
I would wake up at 4.00 am to play LOTB...Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
maybe that's what people with swag do, but i appreciate real life too much, guess that's not so swagy :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nekroliun
I'm with you 100%. If it requires that much commitment from me, it's time to put it downQuote:
Originally Posted by slauki
LOL--And sometimes, not so swaggy is better... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Glad they've fixed the visuals bug with the timing circles. Gets annoying having to guess the right time when you're half cut........
Sorry guys, but back to the chars matter, I have just use a Pharaoh Eddie from a trooper in LOL Dungeon Level X. In the Last Stage I have use the fury which gives 3(yes 3!!!) turns of invincivility to the whole team!!!! :O .
So I question to myself... Is so big the difference between this and giving the Visions Eddie fury, the chance to stun enemies for 2 turns with no induce to self stun(and this is not counting Bosses which are not affected by stun, but they do get affected with invulnerability)??? I mean, whats the matter? What has the poor Visions Eddie do to the devs for this threat???
#preyforvisionseddieQuote:
Originally Posted by demoonchild
You mean pray Diedd, but is not your fault, chilean learning methods at school are more shit than Visions Eddie... XD
Anyway, please take my comments seriusly, he was my first 5* char, and Ive never used him.....��
I feel your pain ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoonchild
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Visions Eddie needs some love.
sorry ... I also think the devs should give a little love to visions eddie and maybe change their fury because I think this is one of the reasons it becomes useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoonchild
PD: No expongas la deficiencia de nuestro sistema educacional jajaja
Note to Visions Eddie...don't headbutt when you can't take it yourself. Learn from Shaolin monks who practice metal head kungfu before attempting any headbutt.
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Jajaja ok compatriota!!
I have just tried VE. After months with no using him.
I have put 5 almost maximized Health Talismans Overwhelming on him, and a Paladín 4* level 40(just for testing, giving more emphasis on health). So, he has his 12xxx Hp + 35xxx more and the Paladín one. In circle of fire, the first wave, all warriors(dices and imps) the damage was awful...(Sentinels vs Warrior=bad idea) deals no more than 1500 points of damage... then in the next wave against the Angel of pain(sentinels vs Magus=good idea)
The damage was about 3000. For the rest of enemies the damage was about 2400...
So I tried a full Holy Talisman set up, all at 47, 5*...
The result was even worst, not pasing 7xx against warriors, just 12xx against Magus, 9xx the rest.
The result of magical based attacks.... pure shit too
The Fury?? Dont remmember but was a joke too(a bad one). So, I give back the green talis to the Allied General(he use them pretty well) and the blue ones to the Axis Commander, and VE back to the bench he was originally conceived to stay on.
Yes! I need a Sentinels Eddie, and until I get a Pharaoh and his superhiperultramegaoverpowered Fury, I will try to maximize the Mummy one, which is besides VE at the same bench...
vision eddi is setinel but all the skill is magic damage base , so VE need more magic base stat. in my opinion o change magic damage to physical damage, and remove fury , 2 turn stuck came on, or big damage on fury like 85% damage
demonchild for president. vision eddi is very disapoint chart. i have one and never used, please do something or let him died
I've learned that if you have Pharoah Dog King as an ally, you don't get stunned yourself when using Visions Eddie's fury because of PDK's cleansing passive ablity :)
really? gotta test thatQuote:
Originally Posted by AppleJuice