Game Update - December 12th 2016 + Viking Eddie!

I kept my cool during all the previous nerfs, although I was hit by almost all of them more or less, but since yesterday's update, I cannot even autofarm Matter of Life an Death on Madness anymore.
I'm using CR, Red Bat and Assassin Bomber Boy, with CR maxed out. I was able to do that EASY, and any two of these characters were able to deal with this level on their own with a little luck.
Allegedly, these 3 characters were not hit by any nerf this time, but now I cannot get past the pyros at all and often get busted on stage two of this level.
All my characters deal WAY less damage then before, so what's up?
If the game continues down this road, I'll just call it quits. I'm not too excited about PvP anyway, but I see the game going to hell over it, while other content is neglected.
Shame, this started out very promising...

a good update would be that if you want to use all your troopers points and win the day achievments (wich is the ONLY interest for monthes now...) you don't have to play 5 hours a day...

a new 5* Eddie ? I don't open souls anymore... no space for new chars and 1 chance over 1000000000 to have it...
autofarm is now very difficult : you want us to play 50 levels everyday manually ? it's a full time job... please devs, be serious...

another thing : now when you sell shards or runes, there is a new box asking if you really want to sell this high rarity item... as always it's not a good thing : you must make it easier and quicker to sell things to have more space insteed of adding a new box to click... what a way of complicating things ... since july everybody is asking the ability to sell useless items when you win them without needing to go to the "my team" screen... or simply stop to max limit the items you can have (each box 999 insteed of 99 ?)....

the game will soon have 6 monthes and the problems are still here... stop nerfing the characters, now nobody wants a corrupt general or a cyborg eddie ...
sorry but you don't go to the right direction ... I'm really disapointed ...

I like how most of most of my favorite characters are 'Party Enhancers'. Also nice to see Wicker Man Ed and RttH get some love.

There's one other thing about this update that bugs me greatly (other than losing in Shadows in the Valley on auto for the first time in months):

I was selling some runes and shards because I was over my limit, and every time I wanted to sell a 2* or 3* evo shard/rune (as well as 4* and 5* shards), the game wanted me to confirm that I wanted to sell them. For every. Single. Stack. As an endgame player, this is incredibly tedious. I also noticed the update reorganized all the menus in the team screen and I haven't yet figured out how they're organized.

Hey devs why don't you make the pvp as a separate application? LOTB Arena or something. People uninterested in pvp could be happy with unnerfed toons, but use them in pvp nerfed if they want. Fixing the future bugs that will be introduced with pvp could be fixed separately not effecting LOTB players.

I hope that support will fix my problem soon. I still can't pass loading screen! I want to open Santinel souls!! :(

im a little confused about true damage and random damage I see hp scaling increased on toons
With these didn't realize that was a factor on them ?

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Originally Posted by SamFisher3000

Hey devs why don't you make the pvp as a separate application? LOTB Arena or something. People uninterested in pvp could be happy with unnerfed toons, but use them in pvp nerfed if they want. Fixing the future bugs that will be introduced with pvp could be fixed separately not effecting LOTB players.

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That's a great idea. You can add this to my idea(s) to have a PVP with general characters only, have specific leagues with more advanced toons, and/or have "balancing adjustments" only applicable to PVP, not the game itself. Then you can take our ideas and lump them in with some of the many other thoughts and suggestions others have made on the matter. Finally, you can take all these ideas and toss them in the trash.

The devs have tunnel vision over this stupid feature. They don't care who it affects, or how it will undermine the rest of the game. All that matters is that the half-baked plan they hatched goes through, and if it makes their job easier to ruin our characters and diminish our resource-building abilities MONTHS before they can even release the first bug-ridden iteration of PVP, then so be it.

The nerf/bugfix with Assassin GS and marks makes a lot of sense and anyone using it should have seen that coming.

I used the glitches with skill shards and passives carrying over a lot as they made farming much faster, but there is also a bit of fun in using glitches to your advantage. These glitches are now fixed and farming takes a little longer again, but I'm not angry about it because I knew they were glitches and would thus eventually be fixed.

Encountered an error when trying to contact the server (MACLO). Not seen (MACLO) before - any ideas what that is about? Just happened twice on LoL, once just before I finished the level and once after. Only thing I can think is the usual crap with inventory not being big enough but not seen that error code before

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Yep - opened 10 ordinary souls and all OK. Sigh :(

Changes are not bothering me too much as I don't have the toons or Eddie's effected by the changes - so no major losses to me at this stage. Reading others posts it seems to me that the balancing makes a lot of sense in most cases anyway as those being nerfed needed it (in most cases). I think that the PVP things is leading to all of these changes so as a few others have said why could it not be a sub-game on its own where only certain characters are allowed access and then leave toons alone - or maybe when doing PVP characters go through a 'cleansing' on entry which removes some of the crazy skills. There has to be a way to keep more people happy?

Also, I think a few have made the point of skill shard changes - this I think is the fairest route to go to and it works for Talismans so why not shards too? Shards cost a lot of time or money so I think that it is only fair that they can be moved around a bit as people have spent a lot of time getting them. It should be done as it is fair. If you 'pay' for upgrades like this then you should not lose your investment - there should be no gamble in it. I do however get the lottery of buying souls etc. That is a gamble and everyone knows it - I have pretty terrible luck with them myself but I know that is the gamble - hence I moving to try to get shards instead these days.

They really do need to fix the shard thing though - it is just plain and simple fair. I am trying to think of analogy but cant get one to fit! Ok, maybe if you were buying a car from new and paid for lots of upgrades like sat nav etc - only to find that they didn't work or that the sat nav could not be updated....its that sort of thing isn't it?

If you have paid your time or money then you should have some flexibility with it?

well, the corrupt general nerf sucks. (did he have only 15% stun chance before?)... so only one good mage left?
Asassin GS nerf ... what a coincidence, i decided to level my AGS to 5* yesterday !?!?
Asassin Artillery Dog slilently changed a talisman color.

No new world? Why are you not opening any new levels?

A new eddie ... looks nice. And i was talking about maybe a new character that icreases his damage on MR (when talking about the nonsence of the sorcery talismans) Well, there he is: looks nice, his fury looks nice on paper, yet only 2 single basic attacks and 1 AOE power move? As it seems impossible for me to get him anyways, i don't care much about him.

So again i just keep playing lowlevels to get as much troopers through with one load.
At least the droprates of LoL VII are the same.

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Originally Posted by satani

well, the corrupt general nerf sucks. (did he have only 15% stun chance before?)... so only one good mage left?

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Satani, the thing that changed with CG's stun is that it goes up to 35% after applying all Skill Shards instead of 40%. Base stun % is still 15

Agreed with SamFisher3000 and FlyingV. While I understand that some semblance of character balancing is necessary, I vastly prefer PVE over PVP in general. Doubt I'll play it when it comes out. A separate LOTB Arena is a solid suggestion. Though as time has passed and more character events have popped up, I think more people would like Sacrifice to come first before PVP.

The problem with character balance alongside a system of rarity is that if theoretically all characters are equal, the only reason to use rare characters is that they fit your niche better than one of the common goons. Of course, splitting the system into tiers is feasible a la Smogon. Maybe have one tier where you can only use drops from Common (and common GA) Souls (as well as Holy Smoke, Wicker Man and Soldier Eddie because they're Campaign drops), and another where anything goes.

Oh, and I've also encountered that MACLO error today.

By the way, Sparton, are there any plans to look into the Assassin Mine's Talisman slots? I always thought the final red slot is way too limiting for Talisman options, especially because the character's MAGIC is more important than their ATK as the Mine's heal runs off MAGIC

Finally, I will also run a few tests with my Skill Sharded blue soldier on Game of Death today to compare his damage before the update. See if he's also affected by that Skill Shard bug

Rollercoaster of disappointment! Halloween update cool, all downhill since! I feel sorry for anyone finally getting their first Corrupt General only to find out not so great anymore!

Give us new levels BEFORE taking away our ability to farm fun. This game is a chore!

Where is the fun? Make LOTB fun again!

Is anyone else getting lots of random crashes today? I have had more today than I have had for months. Bye bye to those SoT and Trooper Points :(

I'll hold my comments on this update as I'm waiting for the proper update to come first.

BUT, I think I may have figured out why many players are reporting weaker characters that devs say have NOT been nerfed and why some can no longer complete levels that used to be quickly, easily auto farmed. Auto farming is producing substantially less damage output than manual playing is. I tested the same level with the same characters and the damage difference is substantial. Not sure how that works, but that's something to check into.

Big issues as we don't want frustration and more toil of grinding as we "patiently" wait for new content. Thanks!

Yet another game being slowly destroyed for a feature I will never use. As a huge Maiden fan I am sad to see it happening. This really was the first mobile game I played regularly....

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Originally Posted by BillLion

BUT, I think I may have figured out why many players are reporting weaker characters that devs say have NOT been nerfed and why some can no longer complete levels that used to be quickly, easily auto farmed. Auto farming is producing substantially less damage output than manual playing is. I tested the same level with the same characters and the damage difference is substantial. Not sure how that works, but that's something to check into.

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Wasn't this always the case? Because when playing manually, you can get Perfect Attacks most of the time, while I've seen my fair share of OKs and Goods on auto

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Originally Posted by Kardas

Wasn't this always the case? Because when playing manually, you can get Perfect Attacks most of the time, while I've seen my fair share of OKs and Goods on auto

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I autofarm with desert marauder who has perfect hits buff passive. When I played my trooper's Angel of Fear, he definitely did less damage now than before the update.

Customer dissatisfaction ...
I don't know how to say that in english:
Maybe devs overspent their credit, they overstepped the mark, they broke our toy.
Poor chances to get new chars, poor chances to get talisman xp runes, character nerf.
Not only poor chances to progress, but high chances to get worse with the update's nerf.
The highest chances to progress is to evolve characters, but it's not enough.

Axis Commander's All hail doing barely 4k to warrior enemies... Full with skill shards and talismans... Not to mention everything else -.- Way to go... NOT!!!

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Originally Posted by BillLion

I'll hold my comments on this update as I'm waiting for the proper update to come first.

BUT, I think I may have figured out why many players are reporting weaker characters that devs say have NOT been nerfed and why some can no longer complete levels that used to be quickly, easily auto farmed. Auto farming is producing substantially less damage output than manual playing is. I tested the same level with the same characters and the damage difference is substantial. Not sure how that works, but that's something to check into.

Big issues as we don't want frustration and more toil of grinding as we "patiently" wait for new content. Thanks!

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You are definitely on to something here, and it's not the simple perfect hits vs good hits. Why would they do that though? Is it unintended? It seems like max skill sharded characters act like they have zero skill shards used while on autofarm. None of my characters that have no skill shards used on them play any different on auto though. Talk about weird bugs.

If they use a compiler of some sort, they should experiment with not using it for a few updates to see if it cuts down on the bugs. My experience with them is that they cause more issues than they do to help to save space.

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Originally Posted by FlyingV

The devs have tunnel vision over this stupid feature. They don't care who it affects, or how it will undermine the rest of the game. All that matters is that the half-baked plan they hatched goes through, and if it makes their job easier to ruin our characters and diminish our resource-building abilities MONTHS before they can even release the first bug-ridden iteration of PVP, then so be it.

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Agree! It's like to take pieces of a house to build an other one.

XP Rune drops seem to be a little better now. I suspected for a few days already that I've been getting a few 4* runes in bunches of 3 in Underworld Madness, but today confirms it. That said, 2x 4* rune drops aren't gone from UW Madness yet

HOWEVER, I tested my blue soldier on Game of Death Madness again, and he's hitting the Assassin Soulless Demon and Gunner CotD for 4300ish on a Perfect. This used to be 5800ish damage. Last time I did a check like this was 16 November: http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/sh...ll=1#post23289

So for some unknown reason, my blue soldier does 1000 less damage to those targets than he used to. For some strange reason, he still does 3800ish to the blue dice though.

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Originally Posted by Kardas

Wasn't this always the case? Because when playing manually, you can get Perfect Attacks most of the time, while I've seen my fair share of OKs and Goods on auto

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No. I've been at end game a long time and all I do (until there is new content) is autoplay EXCEPT for the last two secret locations (madness) just to be safe. And I actually lost a battle (had to revive) on the easy underworld secret location last night. Unheard of.

Also other battles that were quick are now taking a long time and some are risky. Should not be the case. At first I thought it was enemies had been built up higher until I compared damage output. Something is amiss.

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Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406

Axis Commander's All hail doing barely 4k to warrior enemies... Full with skill shards and talismans... Not to mention everything else -.- Way to go... NOT!!!

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I think this must be a bug. Mine has no skill shards yet and hits almost the same...

I just found one bug:
The dungeon countdown that is supposed to show the time until the next dungeon opens is counting up on me.
I was thrown out, dungeon expired 3 hours ago, with 9hours supposedly remaining. Now it's 12 hours remaining until it reopens...
Please fix!

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Originally Posted by mikmar

I don't know how to say that in english:
Maybe devs overspent their credit, they overstepped the mark, they broke our toy.
Poor chances to get new chars...

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Slang: "to fuck it up"?

AoF is doing a lot less damage.
A couple of weeks ago I tested SE+AoF (+empty slot) in Matter of Life and Death (madness) and got a 100% victory on 10 attempt, today I lost three out of five with SE+AoF+5*trooper (sorry guys :( ).

To be honest I felt AoF was OP, but the nerf seems a bit too much like that.

Another idea of mine for the lack of skill shards and all the dupes (I know Sacrifice is comin' since forever) that all summoned souls should have their skill levels randomized. E.g. when I summon my 6th Sentinel Soulless I could have him with his skills already at level 3 or 4. This could not fix the 16 shards spent then nerfed to crap issue though.

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Originally Posted by Ddrak

AoF is doing a lot less damage.
A couple of weeks ago I tested SE+AoF (+empty slot) in Matter of Life and Death (madness) and got a 100% victory on 10 attempt, today I lost three out of five with SE+AoF+5*trooper (sorry guys :( ).

To be honest I felt AoF was OP, but the nerf seems a bit too much like that.

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Play it manually and see if your results are like they used to be. I'm curious to see if others can confirm my theory.

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Originally Posted by Aristo4

If were talking even scaling for the cyborg I think the mandatory red slot should become purple and we lean on a assassin set (as currently I get the best numbers from)....but even so the best damage output I achieved is 2k+ less vs neutral and 3k+ vs assasins.

A full ATK setup is laughable now as Kaijester said. :p

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Hi, I saw your team in some of your posts.

And I noticed about your "5* lvl 100 team" picture.

I would like to ask that why you choose to level up "Hell Dice(W), Sandworm(G), and Possessed Rockets(G)"?

Are they really good to invest?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by fred10141988

Hi, I saw your team in some of your posts.

And I noticed about your "5* lvl 100 team" picture.

I would like to ask that why you choose to level up "Hell Dice(W), Sandworm(G), and Possessed Rockets(G)"?

Are they really good to invest?

Thanks.

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I believe it was to help the community by passing on the stats to slauki for maximized characters

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Originally Posted by Roquetas-5312

I believe it was to help the community by passing on the stats to slauki for maximized characters

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Also, to have a a set of characters guaranteed to never be nerfed :cool:

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Originally Posted by fred10141988

Hi, I saw your team in some of your posts.

And I noticed about your "5* lvl 100 team" picture.

I would like to ask that why you choose to level up "Hell Dice(W), Sandworm(G), and Possessed Rockets(G)"?

Are they really good to invest?

Thanks.

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They are all three junk characters lol. Like was said above, it was probably for the community stats project. I evolved a green Hell Dice for the project, but somebody else spoke up that they had one before I finished levelling it. It's... not good. Not good at all. Just annoying to play against haha.

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Originally Posted by Ddrak

AoF is doing a lot less damage.
A couple of weeks ago I tested SE+AoF (+empty slot) in Matter of Life and Death (madness) and got a 100% victory on 10 attempt, today I lost three out of five with SE+AoF+5*trooper (sorry guys :( ).

To be honest I felt AoF was OP, but the nerf seems a bit too much like that.

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They claim that they didn't touch him, but I'm noticing a huge difference as well. I think it's a combination of a bug being fixed that would make buffs persist invisibly each progressive round (meaning a lot less damage now than we were used to on the 5th wave) and a new bug that makes fully upgraded characters play like unsharded characters while on auto. One needed to be fixed, but another bug on top of it makes it look like he was nerfed.

My team almost died just now in Shadows in the Valley (autoplay / madness) where they walked through before since weeks.

CR - full maxed / full skilllshards
Red Troll - full maxed / full skilllshards
Red Rocket Dog (trooper) - full maxed / some skillshards

The Troll fell and the Rocket Dog was in the deep red.

my toons seem to tickle the enemy now instead of hitting them. If there would be an option "auto sell loot" I'd play 50 rounds in AK just to honor my troopers. With this update the devs really overdone it.

One step forward two steps back. Somebody else said it here before - since the Halloween special it just went downhill - fast ...

I played AoF manually and he still rocked. Auto? He did look weaker.

Corrupt General?

Sucks either way. The Mage Black Knight is now a jester.

Mage is now the most useless class - congrats Sentinels - you're moving up in the world!

I respect the developers for trying to balance things, and up to this point have been guardedly optimistic - but this is crazy.

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Originally Posted by fred10141988

Hi, I saw your team in some of your posts.

And I noticed about your "5* lvl 100 team" picture.

I would like to ask that why you choose to level up "Hell Dice(W), Sandworm(G), and Possessed Rockets(G)"?

Are they really good to invest?

Thanks.

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NO...only Rockets are kinda fun now that their slots were changed, but nothing serious.

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Originally Posted by Roquetas-5312

I believe it was to help the community by passing on the stats to slauki for maximized characters

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Spot on :cool:

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Originally Posted by BillLion

Also, to have a a set of characters guaranteed to never be nerfed :cool:

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Now you unveiled my evil plans buddy :mad:

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Originally Posted by Reeb99

They are all three junk characters lol. Like was said above, it was probably for the community stats project. I evolved a green Hell Dice for the project, but somebody else spoke up that they had one before I finished levelling it. It's... not good. Not good at all. Just annoying to play against haha.

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for the community stats project mainly, but I'm weird anyway...some were just for fun :p

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Originally Posted by Nicko

I respect the developers for trying to balance things, and up to this point have been guardedly optimistic - but this is crazy.

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I don't not when you have a rarity system in place it's just crazy unless they drop corrupt general
Down to a 3* toon

Almost died again ... this time AoF from a trooper ... had to stop auto and play manually the last round ...

What else should I use if not full maxed toons to autofarm? SupermanEddie? BatmanEddie? HulkEddie?

Back to Snake Eyes now as all the other stuff is too dangerous for my troopers. As they are the only good thing left at the moment they don't deserve to be punished not getting their points.

Did somebody mention before that this update really stinks?