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Your team made short work of mine. Want to say either 2 or 3 of 4 of my toons died the first round, and there was no way to recover. It was basically a rock through wet paper. Granted my offensive/defensive teams are definitely lacking. Was nice to be in the top 100 for a couple hours tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
I was unable to play for around a 9-hr period today (and also didn't fully use my SOW before being unable to play), and this truly showed me how big of a time sink PVP is. During that time, I went from around 1900-ish VP and rank 50-70 (can't remember exactly) to 1600-ish VP and rank 500+. Ugh. You really have to play PVP non-stop to get ahead and/or maintain your current rank.
On the other hand, I guess I can fool around with mid-ranked teams now. :rolleyes:
If it will make you fell better, I had a same thing yesterday at about the same time with HomemLivre... Kept doing it just to see how much can this "coin chance" push my sanity, but in the end it was just -90pts and ripping my face off. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Schmeb
Hey Gmac! Attack #'s still going thru the roof?
Im here to say that is totally true! Im just log to check hows the battles going and bang! 6 attacks from Ringe666 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
But I know the feel, this coins drive me crazy sometimes!
Without prisoner, immune at first round and W troll pvp is too difficult
Work on it dev :D
I didn't have one of them :rolleyes:
I'm feeling the same. The amount of teams I see with a Warrior Troll keeps increasing and that's a definite advantage to those teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
I get that I may not be the best at PvP and that's fine but seeing how valuable certain toons are when you don't have them makes it increasingly frustrating.
I don't know how Sacrifice will help this or not but my interest level in PvP keeps decreasing.
Yes if you don't have that toons you can't be in top 10 it's stupid but the game is that for now....i just play pvp for points to buy skill shard and soulsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rodrigo-3281
Would think with Mummy,CG,AOF &Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodrigo-3281
SSD u should be able to compete. But yeah,no Prisoner or Warrior Troll hurts!
not for the top for sure, many battle are impossible to win :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
Hopefully Sacrifice helps u & isn't too far away!Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
I will really play pvp (use ironite etc) only when i have a prisoner and W troll or immune toonQuote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
one day perhaps :cool:
For now i play your champion all days in pve (25 points for you and me) ;)
I was doing pretty good last week but this week has been pretty bad so far. The teams that are crushing me pretty much all have a Warrior Troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
My Mummy has no skill shards currently. I just switched to him as seeing how good he is when I've faced him.
Same reason I'm playing. Though it's certainly disappointing when I used a Legendary Soul from PvP and I got a 2nd 4* Pharaoh Dog. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
I'm not doing as good this week as I did last week. Part of it is the RNG gods are mad at me. My GRE hits once, and once only, every time. Opponents with GRE, hit me 6 or 7 times quite often. Shields not working, have seen that happen sometimes on the defense side as well. Miscellaneous other things that don't seem to be proc'ing right. To top it off, my entire list is comprised of people who are way below me. So, I attack them, they attack back and I end up going backwards in points. Hard to hit only people that are above you when you only get 1 or 2 on your list if you're lucky. Just fighting for the coins.
Another thought I had, was I wonder if the devs could throw in a new talisman with an immunity effect. That'd slow down mummy/ssd teams without debuff'ing them. Make it a 3 set, low stat bonus to keep people from stacking their team with it. Would help with the endless freeze and stun as well. Then it would be more about getting the AI to play well so that it's a challenge instead of a coin toss.
I did make a spreadsheet for playing around with character development. It's not the prettiest, and I'm sure there are some errors. Used the character guide on the forum and not sure but some of the talisman colors may have changed on some of the characters. Hopefully it helps someone out.
https://goo.gl/yyP0c1
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I wish that after a while, the PvP arena will have more toons than the usual mummies, prisoners, angels of fear, trolls, hellhoundz, ssd's, blue soldiers and golden son assassins.... damn, there are so many characters in the game, why the most of them are only just for sale and not for play?!?
It's because everyone thinks you HAVE to have those big name toons to compete. Go thru your toons and double-check some of their abilities; think about how different talisman combos can complement those skills; now think of a way to counter the other 99.99% of people who just use the same old boring toons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonShadow
I use at least one 2* character, and often two of them on the same team, on almost every attack. I don't have a CG, Troll, Gunner/Assassin Golden Son, red or blue bat. (Did get green bat on a legendary soul a few days ago, although the verdict is still out on him -- haven't figured out any type of decent combo/synergy with other toons yet.) I finished top 13 last week, and while I blew a lot of ironite, someone with a little bit better hold on their emotions (like NOT letting Nicko beat them 5 in a row just b/c I hate losing!), and a firmer grasp on the dynamics of points/rank, doesn't need those alleged Uber-toons to be on top.
The point is, avoid trying to copy what everyone else is doing. Do you not see that IF the nerf bat swings, it'll be on those characters that everyone bitches about. On top of that, people are figuring out how to beat them anyway... be sneaky, use a no-name toon, fly under the radar, win.
So true, most of times when I loose one badly it's vs an "odd" team with different strategies than usual... I guess we'll see more & more of different stuff over time... Ppl need time to build/test new teams now it's a matter of tested & true... Built one myself, still lack too many shards to out it now & I'm sure I'm not alone in that case, it's partly due to the game pace who limits it for now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Schmeb
I use a number of different characters on offense - but on defense it's hard to vary. Simply put - AI is more Artificial Idiocy than Artificial Intelligence, so the disablers give it a fighting chance.
It's my fear about Immunity Talismans or nerfing Mummy/SSD. Take away the disabling and Defensive Hold rates will be 5%. Can see having them - but maybe as rare as Comet Talismans
Case in point - fought ShaolinLondo yesterday. His Gunner CR (a great character) thought it better to fire into a Void Shield than revive his teammate. This type stuff will really make defenses useless without the disablers
I agree with this. I have a SSD, but switch him in and out frequently because, while I think the taunt/crowd control is nice, I'd rather figure out a strategy that works more often b/c of what I WANT to happen, versus what the AI and alleged proc rate brings to the table. While I absolutely LOATHE having my entire team wiped out before I even get a chance to tap my screen even once, it is becoming more and more less frequent. Two weeks ago I was getting taunted/stunned into oblivion, now I'm losing only half the battles that I normally would've lost -- and each day brings more success as I test out new ideas and strategies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
I'd wager 95% of us have the toons I use most (and have the most success with so far against stunner/taunter teams) just sitting on the sideline, collecting dust. Not one of mine is fully sharded either, so there's that to consider as well. Again, screw what everyone else is doing -- think outside the box -- and while it may be rough at first, in a few weeks when 90% of the arena is populated with the same old shit that we've all learned to beat, you'll be the new enigma that needs to be cracked, and folks will start to copy you...
Or you could just buy yourself a Troll, Prisoner, AGS, and Cyborg, win the weekly prizes and tell yourself that you're not a loser -- deep down in your heart of hearts -- if all you care about is seeing your name on the splash screen for a week...
Thought I'd share my thoughts on the issue with taunt teams. It's about the numbers. I don't have a SSD to verify, but unless he got a debuff, he's one of the best for pvp. He has a 40% chance to taunt each character, make him all green slots since his damage is based on HP. So, you use all Mystical to build DEF and MR, pair that up with Blind and Paralysis and the the numbers add up. He will hit each member of your team with at least one of those effects a little over 50% of the time. Mummy is worse with a 45% chance to taunt, only slightly balanced by the fact that he can't carry as many HP, but give him some Freezing capability along with Blind or Paralysis and his odds are a little over 55% chance to hit each of your characters with an effect. There's math to it, but I just cheated with an excel spreadsheet. It calculates the odds for 1,000 hits and gets roughly the same result every time. There is random, and there is stacking the odds. That's what makes it work, especially with AI that isn't very I. The odds get worse when you add it up over 4 characters, I didn't calculate that one, but I'm sure it gets it into at least the 60-70% range that one character will be effected. People can argue that if you flip a coin 1,000 times you have a 50% chance heads every time, but this is basically flipping that coin 1,000 times and giving you three tries each of those 1,000 times to get heads. Worse, that's per character, when you go against the whole team, it's flipping it 1,000 times and giving you 12 tries each of those 1,000 times.
All of that said, I hate to speak in favor of debuffing. My team is not a mummy team as I don't have the right other members to make it work. If I did, that would probably be my defense. I do think the taunt odds are rather high, and hitting the whole team makes it even higher. Maybe they do need to be debuffed. If they hit only one player it would at least cut the odds considerably.
I don't use a Mummy either, mostly because I hate everything about him, but also because it's so easy to work around his taunts, as well as the SSD. Sure, I get drilled every once in a while, but I'd much rather go against a Mummy over a GR any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askora
I fear that what Nicko said earlier would ring true if Mummy/SSD were nerfed/"balanced" in some way ─ everyone's defenses would be complete crap and our hold rates would hover around 5% (maybe in the teens for those with Prisoners). Face it guys, if those toons get changed for the worse, your complaints will switch from being annoyed at losing to taunting teams to being annoyed that your defense can't hold anyone and you therefore lose hundreds of points overnight. Also, the CG will become the next defensive meta toon to have on your team. Do we really want that? I know I don't. I believe the taunt teams, for as annoying as they are to face, are perfectly fine as they are right now. Any changes to them will make PVP even more of a bad experience for many players. For now, I suggest we all do what Schmeb said and become creative with the toons we use. There are bound to be great PVP toons that nobody has touched yet.
The big problem is the AI. I can beat mummy teams when I'm playing offense, because I get to choose what my toons do. On defense you don't get a say, so the best bet is to force the offensive player into the same boat. If you lose the coin toss, then a taunt team if built right can easily take your team down without you getting a chance to fight. I don't have to worry so much about losing my passives to the prisoner, since I have next to no toons with good passives. The book of disappointing souls isn't my friend. Even my legendary last week was lame. Right now, I'm more just working on getting talismans leveled up to work with the toons I've got. I can't do much to improve my defensive odds, but I can at least raise my offensive ones.
Wow!!! Awfully quiet!
Could run around naked in here! Lmao!
Game's shutting down next week, haven't you heard?
Was lol @ Gmac yesterday,filling all his trooper spots. Figure I'll hit him up next vacancy,might as well get something back for all the 'juice points' he's been stealing off me all week. Then I thot that soon there'll be no need for New Trooper threads as we will all be each others troopers. On the plus side,at least we're all getting lots of badges
if the trend continues there will only be 50 players who still play this game, so every member has to be the trooper of every other member, if we wanna fill up the slots with actives :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
If I click the ranking tab & then the trooper tab...lmao. I'm sure others look even worse/better. Bad 4 me as I only attack higher ranks. Top 25 was my goal,wasted SoW last Sunday,only did 3 refills this week (2 cuz I was bored).Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
-300 points from 10th. Yeah,could be done,but for what??? U c my legendary pull last week? Red eyes for an AoP....seriously,WTF? About my 4th one & the rest didn't come from the most expensive soul in the game.
I've played way less pvp this week. I was in the top 100 last time I checked, although probably won't be there at reset. But, I don't seem to be on anyone's lists as I never get attacked first, that or I'm way below them. If I'm lucky, my list has has one or two players higher then me. Generally it's filled with people who are way below me. If I refresh, it only gets worse. The way the point system is set up, attacking someone below me will only bring my score down. So, just earning iron coins to buy shards and more harpies, axis soldiers or whatever the book of souls seems to think I need more of.
All lists look like that & point system is a joke. Lots have bitched,falling on deaf ears!!! Nodding Off Frog! Bout all u can do is keep refreshing list. Don't even get me started on revenge limits!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askora
Very nice run Gmac! Well played! Can't revenge due to these stupid limits!!!
@SilentKnight - Thx, today was cool! About revenge, never thought of it this way, but good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
@ShaolinLondo - Nice battle! Congrats on the podium.
Glad FallenAngel made top 5.
Made a fun push in the last few hours to place in the 50s. I even faced Jofer and came out 2/4 having no Prisoner of my own. I've found that I can almost always beat a Prisoner team if I go first with my anti-Prisoner team comp. However, if I go second, I'm generally toast (although there have been a few times where I managed to recover and win). It feels pretty awesome pulling that off without having my own gimp to play with and by using some toons that are completely unsharded.
Np on attacks. I'd do the same. Nature of the beast,hate the game not the player,etc. Ur never on my list???Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Yep,FallenAngel's a trooper. Hard to cheer for someone when half the top 10 are troopers,lmao!
Jofer's not that tough, although I have a Prisoner. Must play all day & night. I have better luck against him than Nicko or Sag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
Can't get my stats right now because my phone was about to die, but this week I made a real push for a better rank - even spend some ironite. the result: still stuck at duelist I because everytime I finished attacking, I see two people have attacked me and my VP has barely moved or even gone down. Felt like running up a hill tied to a bungee cord. Literally couldn't make progress. I could have thrown more and more ironite at it, but I thought "screw this" - no guarantee ironite would help - just a chance to have more attacks followed by more revenges and I am still stuck. System kind of sucks. I will get my iron coins and be done with it.
No i dont have a Prisoner, CG, or loads of other toons that I would like. No I will not be the obsessive who spends all of my saturday playing a game on my phone. No i have zero goodwill left for the developers, and no I won't bother spending real cash on such a system.
I finished at rank 9, quite tough to get into first 5 without playing stupid mummy and/or SSD.
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Below is the video to my "rewards".
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I decided to not pay too much attention to pvp this week. Will not spend any ironite for SoW until devs will fix / nerf mummies/ssd, taunt, stun & freeze. As I mentioned in THAT TOPIC PVP as it looks right now is not fun.