That's y I stopped,Nicko only. Even that could stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
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That's y I stopped,Nicko only. Even that could stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Not sure why, all it takes is one battle and your team is known (actually don't even need to battle). A visit to your team will show the shards talismans used.
it was one thing that was very frustrating to me when I was on the side looking for advice from the ones in beta. Never did anyone say anything about characters other than the standard save your shards statement.
Not that it matters at this point, in a few weeks every team is going to be made of mummy, ssd, blue bat, then either troll/prisoner.
I am still very curious to see everyone's rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
As far as giving away too much information there are two things to consider:
First is we can all see what each other is running for defense by just selecting each other when we show up in each other's list. After that, its just a matter of a quick search (if the person isn't already a trooper) to see everything there is to know about how our toons are set up. So there really are no secrets that can be kept about defenses. Even if you rotate your toons regularly. Search, and there they will be.
Second is that it is very plain that PVP is P2W all the way. Yes, attack strategy plays a part too. But if you have the ironite, a halfway decent toon roster, some basic strategy, and the time, you will place high in the rankings. Most of the top players clearly dump ironite to win. Thats not a bad thing, its just how it is.
Besides, its a friendly competition. At least its supposed to be.
Iīm sorry to hear you feel we did not give enough input for people outside, I really am. Hope we did a better job. Iīm sad about this but Iīm happy you want to help others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifter
Sure, one can go and see other people teams and talismans (I think that the game should no allow this by the way), but even so, that will not tell that person how that team is doing overall, giving away our stats give the whole picture, on defense that is maybe too much.
Give away number of attacks received, sure, that is necessary so we can try to have a fair competition.
Number of attacks made, ok for Ironite spent comparison.
But % on defense.... Iīm not so sure how that helps anymore since (for me) the prisoner discussion is done.
Cheers.
Hey man,Quote:
Originally Posted by RCarter
Plenty top players donīt spend more Ironite they earn during the week, count Sag, me, Slauki and CanyptianFit on this. Plenty of others Iīm sure.
And friendly competition ok, but most players donīt show theirs stats, we donīt even know who reads all this. Donīt get me wrong, Iīts admirable people sharing stuff, but maybe def % rates are a bit to much, that is my only point. All other stats Iīm ok with sharing. And again, my defense is not all that.
Anyway, no polemics from me, It was just a consideration. Never mind me.
All the best
Gmac
U may be able to c what everyone has equipped & ranked but u don't know how they got there. I E. opponent strategy,ironite used or # of matches. Beta was a freezefest. Kept waiting for changes to scoring that were all basically the same...crappy!!! Sorry @ work,gotta goQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Oh & lots of bugssss
Basically all info out of beta would have been useless. Even now,build a team like Jofer's. Is he playin 24/7,spending 10x the ironite of the #2,never getting attacked? And with all the bugs still, ur team could be garbage next update!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
We're just in PVPr Beta Phase II, so I don't mind sharing any stat (nothing to hide anyway, def is crappy) :cool:
Also Nicko's "Dream Team" that was consistantly at the top in beta...not even close to what he's using now! Gotta put them back in there bud!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
Sag's Droid,Slauki's bats... nerfed! Was ur Droid,right Sag? Killhouse,PizzaFriday maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
Don't mind sharing stats or team. Enjoy seeing how my non-Prisoner DEF does compared to other more formidable teams...it's luck before strategy every time anyway....2400 coins per month and I'm good... besides, sharing is caring.
:p
Hahahah. It was Sag's droid.... my buddy and I still to this day call that character the Sag Bot. The first time I got hit by it... wow!
LOL,thot so. Only got hit by it once & that was enuf!!! You were the Warrior Troll...the reason for my Prisoner. Ahh the good ol' days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Killhouse
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Originally Posted by Silentknight
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Originally Posted by Killhouse
Oh the good old days, that poor thing got hit so bad by the nerf... It still have his use but he lost quite a bit of grit, removed him has my champion as he's now mostly annoying in PvE & was loosing troopers..Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
Love the Sag Bot! To me Silentknight will always be the Magus GS that gave me so much trouble when PvP began... Killhouse is the incarnation of the Troll, when I bring him on attack I'm bringing my Killhouse :)
As for newcomer, I wrote a beginner's guide somewhere if it helps.. Sure may need some revamp but still.. The toons depends on what's available more than anything else, some excellent toons won't shine in the wrong team, that post would have no end...
Sag Bot,lmao! Yup,Magus GS with double freeze talismans! Not so chilling anymore...actually my defence went way up after everyone lost 'the freeze'. Still best support healer in the game,imo. Still use him as champion,change it up for my troopers tho. Give em a try with CG,Prisoner & SABB (with maxed death mark). Basically my PvP team cuz that's bout all I got,lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
Think u guys did more than enuf! Besides we were still figuring things out. Imagine if someone sharded their bot on our advice,cuz at the time it would have been a good decision. Remember Nicko telling someone health talismans were important & someone accused him of throwing donuts,zeros,basically lying. Which at the time made sense as I don't think his team had any equipped...didn't need em. That 'Dream Team' decimated u in 1 turn,no need to push any buttons,without taunt! But lots of bugs. Now...health is pretty goddamn important!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
There we go...old school! Now just gotta get little closer to the top!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
No need to apologize zdm. That is why there is more than one target on that list. I will not revenge holds and will not be crying about being attacked. Don't be scared of those Prisoners. Come up with a good strategy that keeps you alive until the trolls shield expires and don't carry a character to the battle that you depend on it's passive. I just got my ass kicked by Nicko because I forgot to take the Troll out and was done begore I got started. Take a few swings at Sag & Nicko. If you can win against either you will be able to take most of the others down easy. I have a losing record versus Sag, probably 50/50 versus Nicko and something like 25-2 versus Jofer so just because you see a Prisoner doesn't mean it is a great team. As far as this system and the number of attacks, I really don't think it is that far off from what it is supposed to be, with the exception of some people simply not showing up on lists as much. I have noticed that I can just revenge attacks and not refill sands of war during the week and maintain a points total of around 1900 being attacked double the amount of my own attacks. When I start refilling sands of war, I will end up attacking twice as much as defending. I don't have a problem with this being pay to win, don't know if it would work any other way. I am sure a lot of us here can remember going to the arcade, buying twenty bucks worth of quarters just to beat some high scores at Centipede, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man etc. Is there really a difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by zdm-1083
Also agree with u 100% on this. If people want to share stats,go ahead,no one's going to stop u. But don't hold it against people who don't. We've done our part! LOTB team knows about it,the rest is up to the devs. This is a competition after all & when u can see everything else about every player something has to be kept secret or else what's the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
I'm open to whatever the majority wants but I agree that enough has been done. I included stats for just playing the provided sands of war and also after refilling several times. If you don't refill then you are likely to be attacked by double or triple...makes since, You are 1 versus thousands. The one thing I think should be done is to eliminate the point reductions for defensive losses. There is no point in this when the best defense is less than 40%. This would drop as well if more people would stop avoiding prisoners. Another thing that is rediculous is the revenge limit. I completely understand why this was implemented but it would make more sense for the system to refesh 10 totally different names each time and also make it to where you can only revenge an attack and not be able to revenge a revenge. There are other ways to keep people from going back and forth constantly. A limit of 20 revenges is not it.
I understand why someone would want to hide his stats..
At the same time, it doesn't show much, if like Silentknight you always attack the top teams... You'll gets revenged by the same top teams and probably affect stats, at the same time if one cherry pick his fights, stats will go up as revenges will come from relatively weakers teams..
For what it worth.. I use my own stats to show tendencies over time vs myself & see if others adapt or if tallisman changes have an effect but... By no means they can relate to the stats of anyone elses as everyone have different situations/playstyle/opponents & comparing them equal comparing apples & oranges...
Don't mind showing my stats... Don't mind those who rather hide them..
As long as no one bash on thoses who keep them for themselves I'm alright with any direction it takes..
yep fully agree, most people have done their part, so if someone wants to hide the stats it's perfectly fine, if someone wants to share them he is welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
cannot see a problem here, because there is no obligation by any means. as stated before, the devs should have enough information now to make appropriate adjustments, if they want to and if they are able to...
Thanks for your message :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888
Well, this is not that I'm scared of prisoner, this is just that for now I do not have too many toons that could do the job.
Good point here.Quote:
I am sure a lot of us here can remember going to the arcade, buying twenty bucks worth of quarters just to beat some high scores at Centipede, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man etc. Is there really a difference?
Revenge limit, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888
On 1 versus thousands, I see some limitations that could do the job.
I can think of limiting possible defense depending on how much you are attacking.
Meaning that if your defense amount is too high you will not or less appears on any attack list.
I don't know if it could scale with number of players.
But first, I think clarifying and fixing why some people (like me) are not appearing on attack list is a first needed step
Well said Sag.
Stats in and of themselves are really not helpful. Hard to understand the underlying situations for each trooper.
I tried two different approaches the last 2 completed weeks and my stats were very different. Unless you understand how I played, only I know that, hard to draw conclusions about my offense/defense...other than I suck at defense. 😜
But in the broader context I think it has been insightful maybe to others to see results for people in the top 25 what their stats look like. Results for people in the top 100, etc.
I also could be swayed that the purpose of highlighting discrepancies has been made and going forward it isn't needed.
So I see both sides of the fence and can support either one.
At the end of the day, I hope we have a fair process, no one is gaming the system and we can rely on Sparton and team to make sure that is the case.
Maybe this is a good time for Sparton to weigh in here. Are we helping you with this information at all, is this now redundant, has it run its course?
Again, thanks to Nicko for starting this process, I believe it has helped the community.
Up the Irons!
If people feel the attack/revenge #'s are still strange we can all do it again but there has to be some mystery!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
Might wanna thank ToTameAGame & The Prisoner cuz that's how this all started,lmao!Quote:
Originally Posted by CanyptianFit
Said it b4,I'll say it again...Attack Limits! Don't need revenge limits with attack limits set up. Can't revenge someone who hasn't attacked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888
Yeah, That's basically what I meant, just overcomplicating it I guess. Don't like the fact that you can revenge an attack and get revenged back 1 minute later, seems stupid to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
I guess I could have worded that a little different. I just see a lot of people saying they avoid them completely. I was in the same place you are a few weeks ago. They only bother me paired with the troll and the taunters. I still need a little luck so I am trying to find a better way. Some of the other teams are getting better but there are still a lot of people just throwing the prisoner in because it is the trendy thing to do. Sometimes taking some losses to them helps to show you how far off from being competitive with them and that can help figuring out what you need to do next.Quote:
Originally Posted by zdm-1083
I don't even care about the 20/day,but 2/person??? Got kinda used to going back n forth in beta,can be fun too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888
My fix for the prisoner is to throw in my AGS. He's drawn to him like a moth to flame. Sure, my AGS usually dies, but it keeps the prisoner occupied while I play.
This is a good strategy, especially if your AGS survives without being CC'd and can cast endure immediately after. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Askora
Got SGS and GRE to back him up, so I've got plenty of endurance capability along with reviving my team for the second half of the fight. Sometimes find myself wanting the defense to KO someone who's stunned or almost gone so I can revive and start over.
He usually wipes out my AGS, but by that point he's about KO'ed anyway and no longer a threat. The rest of my team can stand up without him, just nice to have for that extra round.
So quiet out here, and the bloodbath in there. 10th is on the run. Educated, get it! And Gmac made it again. Wait to hear the win streak! Nicko, as usual easy week and 3rd. Your job opening new weekly post awaits. GG all!
p.s. 2 trooper slots open.
Scheisse, I was away for most of today and received way too many attacks overnight and today to recover in the short time I had. Went from 2k VP and rank 70-ish last night to now 1793 VP and rank 379. If I even spent any ironite, I would end up losing more than I gain. Gotta love losing VP when the defensive AI sucks. There HAS to be a better system than this. I'm beginning to lose interest in PVP due to how much of a chore it has become. Where's the fun in such a system?
Sorry SilentKnight. Wow. I've never seen someone go from like 2900 to 3800 in a span of 2-3 hours. ENTI is a monster. WOW.
Still in shock.
I was rocking a 88 consecutive win streak and he passed me like I was in the slow lane.
DAMN.
What the hell?!?!?!?!
That happened???? Seriously??!?!?!
I was checking the rankings and he was WAY below SilentKnight. Like 120 pts with 15 min to go.
I donīt even know what to say, I thought SilentKnight was safe.
Jesus, congrats Enti, awesome job.
And SilentKight too, you are always in these close battles, I thing NF should give you free SoW to play...
LMAO,2 freezes & a couple last min revenges killed me! Don't know how u guys do it,burn out,don't even wanna look at my phone 4 rest of night. Got what I wanted,enuf to finish the Reaper! & yeah I like em close!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Man,
You were up by a lot with almost no time to go. I was checking the boards to see where Kris was.
And by the way Anti attacked me two times in a spare of 2 minutes right after Arena reset.
How can this be right?
Dunno,had a long lag between 7-7:02,waiting for reset. Probably could have played another match. Oh well,got what I wanted. Ugh,not even going near arena tonight for this special eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac