Right? I'm in GMT zone so reset is midnight here. Gotta stay up till 1am for the reset any more. Gonna be tricky to hold my ground during the final minutes in the arena any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
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Right? I'm in GMT zone so reset is midnight here. Gotta stay up till 1am for the reset any more. Gonna be tricky to hold my ground during the final minutes in the arena any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
The total attacks you've done can be observed in the "My Arena Stats" popup (from the PVP screen, tap the bottom bar to show for those who don't know what I'm talking about). We're counting your total attacks, so the second number when looking at your current week's attack win rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Educated fool
For example, if under "CURRENT" and beside "Attack Wins" you see "87% (20/23)", you've done 23 battles in the current week.
Some way to see replays (such as for your defenses or for top players) is definitely something we're interested in doing at some point, but I don't know when that will be added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
As new features are added and tuning is done, this naturally happens for newer players (remember how hard it used to be to evolve talismans?), but we are always looking for new event and feature ideas to help newer players get up to speed. There will always be an edge from a large, equipped roster, though, and that takes time, luck, and dedication. Definitely on our mind, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
As you and others have noted in your own exploits to climb the ranks, spending money to climb the ranks is not as direct a correlation as many people would like to believe. That said, we are interested in trying out different formats for competition in the future, so long as we find we can strike a good balance between accessible and rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
No worries :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Yeah, technically speaking we have much of our game resetting at midnight UTC to ensure daylight savings doesn't cause weirdness for communication or functionality, so that means when daylight savings starts or ends, things "shift" slightly for the various places that respect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
We are looking internally at what changes we can do to revise or improve both of those things in a way that works well for new users but has more for long term players to look forward to, but we don't have any timelines right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelkelly
Skill shards are a (very rare) reward from secret locations already, by the way, with a higher chance the longer a location takes to unlock.
Thanks Sparton, for the reply. I was definitely aware of this much though. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
Given your answer, I'm going to assume that there is indeed no limited time display for this event, and that everything's a-ok being calculated in the same way as it previously has, in spite of it now leading also to new rewards. Cheers, and forever up the Irons!
Thanks for all the clear answers Sparton, one thought would be to limit the number of time a player can get attacked based on the number of time he is attacking.
Doesn't this contradict the news feed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
I've got the spiel in front of me and it says "Every battle gives a point, rare rewards are based on total battles played."
Shouldn't the stats from defense battles be included too? i.e. ATTACK WINS 87% (20/23) DEFENSE WINS 12% (3/25) Total battles 48 (23+25)
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave-9385
If that is the case, I'm good to go...
Hell, prolly get the 300 some time Thursday...
Ha, get rewarded for people attacking you? That sounds much easier than what I thought! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RCarter
That's how it reads to me. It'd certainly make my life easier if it were the case. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Something is wrong since that miniupdate, but sparton ignored my post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Caretaker
The news button doesn't work.
Only battles you initiate count, so defense battles aren't counted for the sake of rewards in this event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-9385
Just tried it and it worked fine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
It sometimes takes a few seconds and doesn't really have feedback that it's delayed, so maybe that's all you saw? Or there was just a blip where it went down for a bit.
Thanks for clarifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
ok it works, but it is very finicky. Was tapping it for a solid ten or so seconds until it finally popped up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
Also, would you please consider making the scroll through characters, talismans and the likes more sensitive? Right now I have to swipe with both thumbs for what seems like ages to get to the end of my characters list.
And get rid of that annoying sound effect!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
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Originally Posted by Hypnos
I'll look into these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
LOL,thx!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
Immunity from a Hellhound or Artillery Dog will protect you for the first round. Other than that, you'll have to either use cleanser characters or immunity talis. Some common cleansers are sentinel Allied Soldier, Mummy Eddie (future power ability), and sentinel Undead Rescuer. You can also use toons who grant immunity with their power move like the warrior Pyro Soldier or the sentinel Corrupt Droid. Kardas has made a great guide for cleansing characters under the "Guides" section of the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelkelly
Best options are toons with passive team Immunity (Hellhound, Purple Rocket Dog) or passive team Cleanse (Pharaoh Dog King). That's really about it, and I agree that it's really frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelkelly
Better variety out of Nautical Souls, but otherwise there's no indication that the value of souls will improve.Quote:
And will the drop rate for getting new toons ever get better? Seems like I can never pull anything good for pvp.
The problem with the Immunity or Cleanse actions is that you have to act. If you're up against a Mummy Eddie and and SSD and you lose the coin flip, you can reasonably expect to have 3 of your characters Taunted and then unable to take an Immunity or Cleanse action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
It is wanted that way, so you invest more in ironite. Almost everyone here writes, that that Mummy-SSD-Stun-Taun-Fest sucks. The new Talismans don''t help the players here, because against good defense teams they are useless. The sad part is, that they help the good defense teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fudjo
Hey Sparton, just to confirm will initiated revenges count towards the rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
I think revenges must count, because they add to your number of 'attacks made' - right?
They do. As Ian noted, they count towards attacks, and that's the metric you're being measured by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrice-1201
So as per your post in the other thread, you're free to coast for the rest of the week... unless you're aiming for the higher divisions!
;-) always aiming higher, I'm actually fighting to complete my Eddies collection with Vampire Hunter and Cyborg, do they come as Nautical souls?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
can you please consider something to make the game less time consuming? maybe using two troopers at once in pve or using a trooper in pvp?
maybe a ride along box would do the job, where we can put a trooper in, without being able to use him in the fight?
or maybe 20 fastpasses per day, where we can skip the battle and go directly to the reward screens? something like that would be great.
tbh: for me this would be more important than sacrifice...
there are many comments about this in several threads, but i'm not sure if you guys are fully aware of this issue.
to fulfill all obligations you need several hours every day. it would be very important to cut this down. this game is almost a 2nd job right now.
and many players feel this way...since pvp is out it'S getting out of control.
glad you put the sow refill to 60 minutes, otherwise i would be burned out ;-)
I wholeheartedly agree with slauki. I have a lot of free time with my schedule right now, but even I've been getting burned out on how time-consuming this game is in its current state. We DESPERATELY need some ways to reduce the time commitment for LOTB.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
The Nautical souls have characters from 3 star to 5 star of all classes, so those guys are (rare) possibilities from the Nautical Soul as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrice-1201
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Originally Posted by slauki
It is something on our minds on the development team, and it's just a matter of slotting the priority of various solutions against features like Sacrifice and other initiatives like improving PVP matchmaking. We don't have anything to announce, but we are taking into account what people are requesting in the threads on the forum and elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
Hi Sparton,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
Are you guys aware of this little "Prisoner issue"?
Just kidding!
Cheers
Gmac
Accidantily used the wrong thread (deleting the post doesn't seem to work there?), sorry for that:
Could you have a look at Navigat Eddie's Scourge ability? The actual percentage seems way below the stated 35% and it certainly does not profit from raising accuracy. Dead Reckoning doesn't seem to be affected by Accuracy either.
By the way: the tool tip for Increased Accuracy seems to wrong. It says 25% while the older Sentinel Bomber Boy's Fortune discription says 35%.
It would also be highly appreciated if you could adjust the AI of the Navigator. Most notably is that he uses Charted Course a lot right now. And a lot means twice in a row most of the time, even when at full health. That is basically wasting a turn. Crashing Rock and Scourge are never used and Roaring Wave is used at the worst opportunities. If Scourge and Crashing Rock can't be worked in it might be more convenient if he stuck to Landfall, uses Dead Reckoning when there is available power and heals himself when necessary.
The targeting logic on some of Navigator Eddie's skills are a bit deceptive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
- For Scourge, each of the 3 listed things can happen at the same time, not a 35% chance of one thing happening. If they do happen, the enemy is randomly chosen (so 3 things with a 35% chance; could all be on the same guy, could be 1 on one guy 1 on another and the last doesn't happen, etc)
- For Dead Reckoning, there's 6 hits total, and for each hit, one randomly chosen enemy has a 20% chance of it's beneficial effects being removed (so 6 attempts at 20% chance)
Due to the fact that these skills have randomly picked enemies for the secondary effects, but those effects have a chance of occurring multiple times, the effects are not as reliable when facing many targets but are substantially more likely to trigger per character when there's less characters being fought. For example, if facing 1 enemy, Dead Reckoning would have a 73.79% chance of removing that character's beneficial effects (or 97.23% chance if Navigator Eddie has Accuracy Up).
Actually, it looks like the Fortune skill description reminder text is wrong; that skill (like all other instances of applying Accuracy Up) only applies a 25% increase to skill chances, not 35%. We'll correct the skill description in an upcoming update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
EDIT: I'll have to spend more time to investigate what's going on with his ability to use other skills (including Charted Course... despite what his data is flagged to do, he's doing something funky to say the least).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
Hey Sparton, thanks for the detailed reply. I really like the insight into calculations and wish we would have some insight the game.
Dead reckoning works excactly the way I thought. I arrivied at the same numbers, (1-(0,2+0,25)^6)=2.8% of a burn not being applied, yet it happens far more often.
As for Scourge: I thought the chance of nothing happening at all was 17% for four enemies and wondered. Now you are saying it should be 0.6%? That is definitely not the case. :confused:
It should basically impossible that nothing happens with Accuracy, yet I had that case...
For Scourge, you're looking at 3 trials with a 35% chance of happening each time you use the skill. The chance of all 3 trials (ie all 3 effects) not occurring is a 24.76% chance of happening. I think your math for Dead Reckoning is similarly off; the burn chance is 6 trials with a 20% chance of happening (before accuracy... but also before accounting for the fact that the same enemy could be chosen twice and get two Grevious Burns, which will both appear).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
Depending on how many times you've tried the skill, you'll likely see a bit of variation. I think when I checked Scourge at the end of the day yesterday it was closer to 20% of the time, but I only used the skill 8 times.
I did some testing today, after all it is easier to refuse a hypothesis than making up your own and try to prove it.
Granted, it is only a small amount of runs, but it confirms what I abserved previously. In about 20 runs Game of Death Madness I used Dead Reckoning once every wave, all played manually. So I have 60 observations. I had a Warrior Bomber Boy with Accuracy Passive in my team. Usually I got one or two burns from using the skill with four enemies alive (only used it at the beginning of the round, so there were always four), usually means about 80%. Not once were all four enemies affected by a burn at the same time, although that should happen 90% of the time. Three burns were rare but happened. If you need more prove I start taking notes tomorrow but I'd rather not :p
Out of curiousity I did 3 runs using Scourge every wave. I managed it two times in those 15 waves to not get a single effect on four targets, which is as close as impossible as it gets. Something is defintely off there.
In regards to accuracy: I guess you can not be convinced that 35% is the actual correct value? ;) After all it was the only statement about that buff accessible to players for a long time (and you could argue that besides from the passives the buff is pretty limited in use).
Edit: I somehow missed your post before, sorry. Here's my math:
Regarding Scourge: Before your statement I thought it was a 35% chance of something happening for each enemy. That left 0,65^4=0.17 of nothing happening when four enemies are present. As it turns out I was wrong with that assumption and I really appreciate you sharing the mechanics. So with that inside the chances of nothing happening are actually far far lower, my stated 0.6%. For one enemy: 65% of first debuff, 65% of second debuff, 65% of third debuff not being applied. I agree that is 27.46% (I assume there's a mixup in your number). For four present enemies, however, this is 27,46^4, correct? This is 0.00569, roughly equal to 0.6% (which I stated).
Please correct me if I am off somewhere.
I have to add: I never ever, not even once saw multiple grievous burns being applied on the same enemy and I figured it was intended to be possible.
hey sparton,
i feel that the talisman colour of the immunity talis is not optimal. maybe they should be colourless or maybe even green. because right now they are pretty useless vs. siege, because there are
very few chracters that can stack them. and most of them are not very usefull with two sets of immunity. i think this is a huge problem. siege was always extremly powerfull (i think it's also OP) and the talismans
didn't help us there. so the problem of a missing counter to siege (beside the prisoner) is still not solved, so the tauntfest can go on.
would be happy if you could consider something about this. maybe extend the immunity of the talis to 2 rounds and make them a 3set or something like that?
my argument is always, that every strategy needs a reasonable counterstrategy. right now only real counter to siege is the prisoner...
anyway, i feel that the game drifts in the right dorection atm, and i'm happy that things are moving :-)
EDIT: another problem is the talisman changing for the characters. in theory every opponent needs different setups an your team. it would be great if we could configure some attacking teams and save them, so that we can simply load them when needed...team 1 with setup x or team 2 with setup y and so on. would save us a hell lot of time.
We're wanting to wait a bit longer to see how things are when more people are using these talismans on attack and on defense, especially once people start having the chance to have multiple sets of them. It's definitely a tricky subject, but we want to give people more time to come up with creative or surprising setups.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Siege strips a lot of defensive options from you, but neither Angel of Pain nor Death Dog are particularly durable, and Angel of Pain won't do a lot of damage to you unless it burns most of that team's power on it's power skill. They're still very potent characters in the arena, and we are keeping that in mind when considering changes and additions for subsequent updates (including potentially improving Immunity and Shell talismans if necessary).Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
In general we don't want to encourage swapping around talismans too much... it's definitely an option to help you experiment, but not something we want you to do a lot of. Nonetheless, this is a subject that comes up periodically within the team. The main problem right now is how a lot of the information is saved doesn't really allow for this right now, but as we add more game modes we'll consider it for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
Yeah, for checks like this, I'd want to do at least a hundred uses, and I'd want to be very sure about recording the exact amounts per wave (to confirm if numbers are correct, or to see if there's patterns that imply what, if any, bug is present); this is the kind of check I'd have the team do for verifying things like the talisman fixes in specific scenarios. Our team doesn't have time to check it more thoroughly right now, but I'll see if they can after the next major bit of testing is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
I looked right into the data where the value is defined for that skill and other skills; internally it's set to 25% everywhere that applies an Accuracy Up. It's also communicated as 25% in places like the Character Battle Info popup and the Help section in-game, but I guess somewhere along the lines we missed updating that one skill and no one noticed until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
It used to be 35% when the game went worldwide last year, but I think the value was changed a month or two later as part of one of the first tuning updates that went out (did you know you used to be able to get the Corrupt General to 100% stun rate against all enemies?).
It's not a 35% chance for each effect for each enemy. It's a 35% chance for each effect once, and if it will happen, then it happens to a random enemy. Think of it like doing AoE damage, but single target debuffs, just for those single target debuffs, they're not on the enemy you're targeting but a random enemy for each debuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
The wording of the skill is not super clear, though. I can see if we can update that for a subsequent update.
It should be possible, but if you're using it when fighting 3 or 4 enemies, it'll be very, very rare. I believe the odds of 2 or more burns happening is only 25% of the time, so the odds that 2 or more happens and that at least 2 happen on the same enemy would be far less than 10% of the time. I can also see if the team can look into this when they have more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nine
Hi Sparton,
Just to reinforce Slauki's post.
First, quick selection for teams/toons would be very much appreciated.
Second, and this is big, the issue with the Prisoner really is that it allows teams to attack with immunity first round no matter what. Top players with Prisoners used to be able to go with Hell Hound or Artillery Dog against non prisoner teams, so they would pretty much only lose to other prisoner teams. (I'm guessing ones with "taunt fest" or a full GRE + AoF)
Now prisoner teams don't even need a Hell Hound or Artillery Dog, and they can go with immunity against other prisoner teams too. I mean, top players with prisoners will have a hard time losing.
I recently pulled an artillery dog and after using it I can say I was not fully aware how big of an advantage going with immunity first round really represents, it's HUGE. (I'm using mine without any skill shards and with lv3 talismans just for fun, that's how big that is).
I'm convinced that this is the unbalance that creates the gap (showed in our weekly results thread) between guys with prisoners and guys without him, and the immunity talismans made it worse.
So, I think it's either taunt fest for everybody, or no taut fest for everybody, and I actually think taunt fest is necessary with the current AI.
There is no real counter to the prisoner's passive, perhaps the best thing would be to change it's passive to siege. Lot's of lv 5 toons but, really, nothing matches him, not even close.
This is sad for me to say, but I was wrong, some hard nerfing is indeed needed. :(
(sorry guys with prisoners!)
Hey Sparton, just wondering, in PvP will we ever be able to setup DEF scheme/strategy? Seen this kinda asked before, but didn't see if it got answered... and just to be clear, some kinda "all out attack" or "defensive shell" style options at DEF setup screen just to give it a bit more importance and help the AI to play it a lot more like we would if we could.