Talking about holds, I would like to know how is the average for VE teams, pretty sure the minimum is 30% :) don't want to create any discussion here about this, haha. Enjoy itQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
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Talking about holds, I would like to know how is the average for VE teams, pretty sure the minimum is 30% :) don't want to create any discussion here about this, haha. Enjoy itQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
I think that there is still some protection.
Started that week with about 1500 points and my attack/defence ratio was really 1:1.
Over 2k points the ratio changed, less defence attacks.
Ahaha do you have a screenshot? I was still sleeping when you posted thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
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An update to the original topic. As it stands, I am number 3 with under 100 attacks made and i'm within 80 points of ShaolinLondo - who as of yesterday had made over 600 attacks - possibly over 700 by now.
This is a point in time, and we're all so close rank can change with one win or loss. I woke up number 5 and jumped to number 3 with one attack. But i've been top 10 all week.
Everything will change tomorrow. I have a little time to play, but as I have an event during the final hours I'm not counting on maintaining position. Smart players will turn on the heat in the final hours, making attacks before the system launches a wave of attacks on them. Tomorrow will be a game of speed as much as strategy.
I hope this experiment instills a sense of urgency for the developers - and would like to thank Sparton in particular for interacting with us.
One final thought as I type this - is there anyway to avoid a system where Saturday is the only day that matters? When real life kicks in - like this week for me - there is no incentive to play if I know I can't spend my Saturday competing. And the weather is getting nicer. It will ALWAYS matter to some degree - but now it's silly to work to the top early because the point system penalizes you so much. So yet again - another incentive NOT to play.
added the archetypes free sow player great/good/mediocre
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they won't gain that much once defense is below 20%. so maybe it would be better to lower the pointlosses to -9 for those who have a defense below 15%, then things could be in order.
Defense is a huge factor here, maybe a too big factor regarding, that defenses might fall very deep again...
edit:
without changes/protection things would be too discouraging for the avarage joe:
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Looks like Skynyrdoo was trying to make a run . He was up to about 3000 yesterday and Number 1.
Now he's 2332 and number 58.
Sorry folks - you can't beat the math. Save your efforts for tomorrow.
Ryan has fared a little better. And that makes sense. I held Skynyrdoo twice and Jofer mentioned holding him several times so point being - strategy DOES matter.
Pfffft that's a huge drop. Crazy. Another proof for discouraged participationQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Someone messaged me and said Fallen Angel has been using my strategy and I see he's slowly rising. I've been watching GMAC and Jofer too.
That's smart - because my friends are saying their ratios have stalled - possibly because overall arena activity is down from the point system being exposed (this is all conjecture).
However - when activity picks up tomorrow - those ratios will start to equalize again. And attacks will rain on players like a monsoon if they have made a lot more attacks than they've received. So anyone who doesn't have a discrepancy where attacks made are much higher than attacks against them (in absolute numbers) will have a huge advantage.
Skynyrdoo is no longer even in the Top 100 - so we don't know how low he'll fall because the list caps at 100 - but he's below 2189 (#100).Quote:
Originally Posted by Enti
From #1 and over 3000 points.
In less than 12 hours...
While I am now less than 50 points away from #1 - while making one attack all morning:
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But that Go80sMetal guy.... up the irons!
Yup - and he's static - which is smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killhouse
The arena is quiet. Making a lot of attacks now will give a false sense of security because attacks on you will be low and you'll rise.
But those players who let their attacks made get too far ahead of attacks made against them will pay tomorrow when the arena picks up and ratios start to equalize.
Or before (see Skynyrdoo above)...
Hey everybody,
Just for comparison reasons.
I have played this week like a used to. Only free SoW earned during the week, no refills (earned a bit more than usual because of sacrifice), clear my list at night and at the morning. Saving Ironite for Saturday.
Just cleared my list, so I'm likely to get more attacks next few hours.
But right now it is 172/141. 10th at 2629 points.
EDIT: Jofer, saw your post, will answer later, kind of in a rush here. Nicko, your PM too.
Cheers
gmac
This, this, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Before daylight savings kicked in, I missed the last 4 or so hours every week. Now that the reset is 8pm EST, I can maybe do the last 30-45 minutes if Im lucky. That may be enough time for some of you guys, but I still play manually on 1x because I am lame...
I was able to do almost the whole last hour of last weeks cycle, and even with sandbagging SOW prior and acing all attacks, it just wasnt enough to move up to a higher prize tier.
Nicko, mailbox is full.
Not any more 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by CanyptianFit
I've fallen to the 700's but I'm not going to bother with competing. Not because of the game, but I just can't get a defense to hold. I have all the good toons, I've rotated them in and out testing defenses, but I sharded poorly at the beginning and now I can't hang. My failure is my own, not the game.
I have to burn too much ironite to compete because my defense sucks. I'm going to try for that damn shaman instead.
Good luck!
Eskiggalu
No defenses hold consistently haha. Doing another expiriment and seeing how crazy I can get incoming attacks to flood me on the last day :) Didn't really think I'd even stiff the top 3 doing so. You guys are all lazy today!Quote:
Originally Posted by Monte47
This most recent update has made your first sentence even more true haha. My defense went from holding at about 35-ish%, to holding at utter shit. Fuck, lol. I both love and hate how the meta changes with each update. One really needs a stockpile of skill shards to stay competitive now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
I've also seen how everyone seems to be holding back right now. I figure they're all going to go on a feeding frenzy an hour before reset. Any other time, and the incoming attacks makes climbing a bit harder (unless you've got a solid defense, which is more luck-based now than ever).
May the RNG be ever in your favor! :p
While Jofer owns the record for highest top score, this weeks winner gets the distinction of owning the record for LOWEST top score ;)
Haha, that's great. Pretty much shows how the current system is broken. I've realized that this week, with how close the top ranks are, the final outcome may be more dependent on how lucky the top guys are in not appearing on attack lists vs. how quickly they actually finish fights. Speed will still matter quite a bit, but if one of them ends up getting attacked a bit more than the others, then that bad luck could lead to coming in 2nd place. Yikes, what a messed up system!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Haha fair point. I'm just a little bored this week. I can't do anything right now without spending some cash, and I gave them plenty last week lol. I just want that damn Shaman before the souls end. I love when he rips his heart out lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
Exactly - although how often you appear on attack lists is more strategy than luck this week. I'm not sure if Go80sMetal or Slauki plan on making a run for it, but they've been slow and steady - and that should work to their advantage. At the same time - there are some really quick players here - so in the end - speed may just win out once the rush startsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tritium
May not be crazy. You're in first - and there is still not a lot of activity - so attacks on you may be light. This could allow you to get far enough ahead that the later increased attacks (once activity amps up near reset) can't compensate for the fact that your lead is too big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofer16
I think the question everyone has today is when to amp it up...
I am getting attacked like crazy. Played like 4 hours could only manage like 400 pts... Fuck
Shaolin, you have a lv1 Vision on defense
Bugs,bugs & more bugs! Multiplying strike talismans now. Misza...2 toons with strike talismans. Weren't there at start of match,just 1. 2nd turn 2 toons with em!
Instead my team has been slaughtered 5 times in a row lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
I put the right one, cheers mate
Funny you say that as I just did a fight and didn't pay a lot of attention but when the first toon was down I thought: "wait a minute ... didn't he just have the counter strike on - why is there a 2nd toon with one? I must have imagined it ..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Silentknight
Hmmm didn't as it seems like. My fight was a revenge against Ryan
Noticed once yesterday but thot the same. Today both toons countered!Quote:
Originally Posted by hold
I've seen it a few times too. It seems to happen quite a bit when the other team has a character who can steal buffs, but my defense doesn't have one of those, so definitely a bug. A nasty one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hold
Makes me wonder if the strike talismans are a one week only type deal. It's gonna get ugly with 2 or 3 characters per team with strike talismans...
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Originally Posted by Silentknight
(Emphasis mine.)Quote:
Originally Posted by hold
Are you sure they didn't just steal one of your Counterstrike buffs?
I definitely wasn't a steal. Oh yeah ... a second set of those strikes ... I was thinking a lot this week and do have a Warrior Rocket dog and 15 Skill Shards in the war chest ... hmmm ... but also the Wicker Man might be a pain in the arse with them ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleestak
I am not really looking forward to meet teams with 2 sets to be honest. But that might actually change the landscape from AoE to a lot more single attackers especially on offense. A kind of "take them down 1 by 1 - but make sure it is 1 every round" ... I don't know ...
100% no steal ... the opposite team did not have the abilty to steal. I did with a Magus CR. But Ryan had (as far as I can remember):Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
AoF, Visions, Nomad and Gunner CR (right?). The counters were on Nomad (definitely) and I think AoF ... I was concentrating on the nomad first so did not pay to much attention what the others had. And as I said I first thought I must have seen that wrong.
Guys
Have to go unfortunately :/ Have a good one everybody!
Ryan, great defense. Nicko too.
Cheers
gmac
I saw the same thing when I attacked RyanQuote:
Originally Posted by hold
My prisoner still had his counterstrike talismanQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
This dude is bugged I feel like. I lost a few times to him and switched up my strategy, now the fights either end in me winning or I turtle it out to a draw. I get down to a certain situation and it's impossible to win. Bugs I've never seen before, it's really odd. Never had draws against someone lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
I had a friend mention the same versus Ryan. Myself I haven't seen anything like double counters yet... that's playing with madness!
Anyways, good luck all. Unfortunately life calls and gotta sit out the final hours at the mercy of the ratio hammer.
I guess I should be honored to get chosen for the rare "reverse bug". However, with my 11% defensive wins, I somehow don't feel as lucky as I ought to
It might be best for everyone if they just avoid attacking me in arena....
Well, it was worth a shot... ;)
Nice defense regardless, bugs are running rampant and everyone has to deal with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleestak
You might be the only one in reach of Jofer!
I'd be curious to know what the hold rates are for those at the top. Seems like the most recent update made it harder than ever to create a good defense. Jofer's is still top-notch though ─ it's actually the hardest it's ever been for me to go up against him haha. If his VE manages to fury, I'm fucked. That AOE stun is powerful as all hell lol.