February 14th 2017 PVP Arena Update Discussion

As stated before, enough people have shared stats, disproving your theory.

Furthermore, there are a number of teams on the bottom with prisoners, also proving he himself in not what matters.

I'd be glad to provide some advice on your teams, if you want to share, and I offered you and anyone to freely see my team and builds.

Many of us share our teams/names without fear of consequences because, that is only a small part of the strategy.

I'd discourage anyone else from disclosing information, we need a 2 way street.

Sunday funday!

As Canyptian said, Prisoner isn't the be-all and end-all. A Prisoner on a team with toons that have no synergy won't be a huge hurdle to overcome. Prisoner teams truly have to have some thought behind them in order to be threatening. That said, he still deserves to have some kind of counter like any other toon. Some team compositions with him can become near impossible to overcome, even if you go first.

I share stats with a group of LotB friends in a small forum and hold nothing back. I try to provide helpful insights here when I can. But posting stats on this board seems akin to "showing your cards". Not sure how I'd benefit. If my defense is lower than expected I get attacked more. If it's higher than anticipated people say "See! It's that Prisoner!" without considering I have a huge array of characters I use and have been playing from almost the beginning.

With that being said I appreciate that some of you have shared yours.

I will say Felice (ShaolinLondo) and I were having a discussion this morning. He encouraged me to post about it here. It was interesting to note that although he attacked opponents more often than I did, he RECEIVED less attacks. This is surprising because 1) You would anticipate the increased number of attacks he initiated would generate an increased number of Revenges and 2) He has no Prisoner. I personally would not have expected this, so it goes to prove we can all speculate what we want, but in the end it's just that - speculation.

I'm sure the developers monitor stats. While it's somewhat entertaining to watch the banter on this topic, and I thought the thread proposing possible solutions was great, i'm not really sure how this current discussion is productive. Yes - the Prisoner gives an advantage. So a productive way of approaching that concern is to go to the suspect thread and post your SOLUTION if you think it's too great an advantage. CanyptianFit and others have been great in posting some great ideas. At this point it's really up to the developers.

I do have to say I'm really looking forward to that write-up GMAC said he was editing!

Well said Nicko. I'm also waiting with baited breath to see what gmac wrote.

Didn't he say it was "coming soon".

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

Well said Nicko. I'm also waiting with baited breath to see what gmac wrote.

Didn't he say it was "coming soon".

😜

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GMAC is such a tease ;)

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Originally Posted by Nicko

I share stats with a group of LotB friends in a small forum and hold nothing back. I try to provide helpful insights here when I can. But posting stats on this board seems akin to "showing your cards". Not sure how I'd benefit. If my defense is lower than expected I get attacked more. If it's higher than anticipated people say "See! It's that Prisoner!" without considering I have a huge array of characters I use and have been playing from almost the beginning.

With that being said I appreciate that some of you have shared yours.

I will say Felice (ShaolinLondo) and I were having a discussion this morning. He encouraged me to post about it here. It was interesting to note that although he attacked opponents more often than I did, he RECEIVED less attacks. This is surprising because 1) You would anticipate the increased number of attacks he initiated would generate an increased number of Revenges and 2) He has no Prisoner. I personally would not have expected this, so it goes to prove we can all speculate what we want, but in the end it's just that - speculation.

I'm sure the developers monitor stats. While it's somewhat entertaining to watch the banter on this topic, and I thought the thread proposing possible solutions was great, i'm not really sure how this current discussion is productive. Yes - the Prisoner gives an advantage. So a productive way of approaching that concern is to go to the suspect thread and post your SOLUTION if you think it's too great an advantage. CanyptianFit and others have been great in posting some great ideas. At this point it's really up to the developers.

I do have to say I'm really looking forward to that write-up GMAC said he was editing!

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Could be the lists. Shaolinlondo has been on my list maybe 5x tops,including beta. Whereas u,as u know,have been there hundreds. 7x today,6x The Educated Fool, everyone else at least 100 pts less

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

As stated before, enough people have shared stats, disproving your theory.

Furthermore, there are a number of teams on the bottom with prisoners, also proving he himself in not what matters.

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Nothing is proved or disproved.
Prisoner teams with no effort, will not be on top anyway.
Non-prisoner teams can be on top with crazy effort. Prisoner teams with the SAME effort will end much higher than non prisoner teams.

I expect Sparton to come with collective data one day, since one case here and one there , say nothing to me personally.

:p

edit: ofcourse i'm talking well built Prisoner teams, not Prisoner together with 3 ox cultists. Prisoner alone wont do shite.

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Originally Posted by Aristo4

Nothing is proved or disproved.
Prisoner teams with no effort, will not be on top anyway.
Non-prisoner teams can be on top with crazy effort. Prisoner teams with the SAME effort will end much higher than non prisoner teams.

I expect Sparton to come with collective data one day, since one case here and one there , say nothing to me personally.

:p

edit: ofcourse i'm talking well built Prisoner teams, not Prisoner together with 3 ox cultists. Prisoner alone wont do shite.

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See - more speculation. While you dismissed them, that Prisoner team with three Ox Cultists beat me at least once daily, taking my Defensive Hold percentage from 99.6% all the way down to 99.2%.

Infuriating...

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Originally Posted by Nicko

I will say Felice (ShaolinLondo) and I were having a discussion this morning. He encouraged me to post about it here. It was interesting to note that although he attacked opponents more often than I did, he RECEIVED less attacks. This is surprising because 1) You would anticipate the increased number of attacks he initiated would generate an increased number of Revenges and 2) He has no Prisoner. I personally would not have expected this, so it goes to prove we can all speculate what we want, but in the end it's just that - speculation.

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

Could be the lists. Shaolinlondo has been on my list maybe 5x tops,including beta. Whereas u,as u know,have been there hundreds. 7x today,6x The Educated Fool, everyone else at least 100 pts less

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i'm very sure the list is bugged to his favor, since i have read it multiple times, that he is not appearing on lists very often (maximum once to me, not sure if he ever showed up). another example: my first account got attacked 308 times the last week, my 2nd account 6(six) times, even if he is much worse... so i think this is another bug, but for sure it's also another speculation :P

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Originally Posted by BillLion

I'm super disappointed with how Pharaoh performs w/ AI. Fury -check? Should I make my team invincible? Nah -I think I'll single attack someone that is currently invincible themselves! Ridiculous. :D He should/could be good. Also it seems like the recent tuning actually decreased his healing on revive all for allies that have not died. Can anyone else confirm? I wonder if this was the intent?

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Most Eddies' AI suck. All toons really. Not sure but I thot healing was lowered in arena. My CR heals for 8500 in PVE but only 5500 in PVP. Might be reduced healing debuff in arena tho. Have to double check