The Gauntlet - BETA DETAILS

I think Gauntlet is the reward that long-term players have been waiting for. I think new players and casual players will find it frustrating for a while if the cost structure doesn't come down considerably. At least in the beta the rewards are similar to Arena. You have to get pretty high up to get the "prize" rewards. You definitely need a deep, strong character base with fully evolved talismans to get very far.
I have a good number of Relics going in. Full health in general and some lower health for most class specifics. A few, but not a lot of offensive relics at this point. Not all of my characters are sharded at all. I've made it to A playing a mix of fully sharded and not sharded at all characters which has made me feel pretty good about the game balance so far. I just have to be careful and really pay attention to who does what ability in what order to make the most of the unsharded characters. It is hard, there are challenges, I have not won every battle the first, and in a couple cases second, time, but it seems to be balanced for difficulty as I work through it. Not too easy, definitely hard, but not impossible for me up to this point with mixed characters.

It is a great way to get ICs, but it also seems to require a lot of ICs to have already been spent to progress very far.
Sand of War refills are 30 Ironite for 10. Level A costs 6 SoW each with 6 battles required for a total of 36 SoW. That's close to 120 Ironite for that level. That was where I finally drew the line last night. I don't know how much I burned up to that point. I wish now I had been tracking each level cost.

Gauntlet maintains the highly addictive aspects of the game and keeps it going strong. I want to buy more SoW to keep going, and have even before I realized I'd made the purchase. The challenges are great. Some battles I can tell I had overkill on my team and a few I lost because I was trying to save stronger characters for another battle in that series. I like it.

I consider myself somewhere between a hard core player and a casual player leaning heavily towards the casual side. I'm in the game all the time, but I don't really try to rank in arena. I play my SoW every day to build up ICs only. Thanks to people posting on this board I started hoarding powerful characters a while back in preparation for this so I'm in pretty good shape for Gauntlet. I feel I could go a lot farther if I had enough Ironite to spend to keep trying to progress. I'll do a few more battles as Ironite refills, just not sure how many more paid refills I am willing to put in. At this time Ironite cost is my only limiting factor.

I am undecided on a new currency for Gauntlet. I can see pros and cons for that. I want to see more of other's thoughts.

I totally agree it would be beneficial to be able to somehow get to the talisman screen to swap talismans around from within the character selection screen. I'm sure that would be a big code change, but it sure would be convenient.

I would prefer not to have more different currencies, it is confusing. As the Gauntlet is integrated into the "PvP" topic (same menu, also a ranking like in the Arena), SoW would be ok. But to me it is clear that some general changes are needed, as I stated earlier in this thread.
My idea: increase SoW maximum considerably, reduce the reset duration considerably and integrate SoW drops for normal level rewards (like it is for SoT) in the cosmos, BNW etc. so that you can get some during farming.
Then it might be an idea to keep the cost structure in the Gauntlet as it is right now. On the other hand, if this would really result in an unwanted change to the normal Arena conditions, an additional currency might be inevitable.

I think a new currency is pretty mandatory

You can't allow players to gain an abundant amount of SOW for PvP. That will merely throw those rankings all to hell. Half of PvP is how often you fight. The more SOW you have the better you will rank in general. And if you can save and expend a lot before the weekly rollover.. then you're bound to move up against teams which are stronger.

I just think not everyone is going to be into the Gauntlet. Those that aren't don't need more SOW.. those that are need something because currently cost is too high and you can't effectively do both PvP and the Gauntlet.

so finally i´m also in beta ;D
Gauntlet is very nice so far, i´m in Tier B.
But the cost of every fight is too expensive. Especially for the rewards. 5 sow for 22 ic is too low. Should be 2x per fight. and the meta rewards also not good. Rare souls (different colours) and hero soul fragments.
to get far in gauntlet you need many eddies and toons, so why should i like rare souls and soul fragments?
Change the rewards or the costs of each battle, but if this will be final i won´t play gauntlet.

They stated a few times that current rewards are beta rewards and they will be different when the Gauntlet is out of beta.

This season it seems to be all Warrior/Magus oriented. I currently greatly lack relics for these two and therefore really suffer from it.
I am at grade AA (doubt i'll get to AAA due to too many losses with good characters).

Are there any information regarding if this changes per reset? Will there be some sort of "weekly/monthly" rotation of the limitations at certain grades or are Warrior and Magus characters just the way to go?

Hit wall at AAA ran out of Warrior class to run. Would be nice if they reset once you exhaust available toons so you keep playing instead of game over until event resets.

Not hit any walls yet other than costs for playing it! It is a good addition and it does make you think a bit but no more than trying to get past some unknows that you face - sure you know the teams you attack but not what they have for talismans or indeed how they will attack - especially when they go first - had two losses as I gambled a bit on using a weaker team, saving better for later but again this fits with the game and the chance side of it all.

Got access yesterday night and started playing with some SoW I had from last sacrifice event. One lost because of a crash that locked my toons. So far I like how challenging it is, yesterday got to level A and I will not continue as I won't spend ironite to refill SoW, even worst if there are resets form time to time. My only concern is the amount of IC earned. At level A one battle costs 6 SoW for 28 IC if win. In PVP 6 SoW would be 72 IC. Not worth right now if you are willing to buy more relics. Hope that is changed.

I find that the enemy team seems to go first quite often and that I may need to stock up on force and steel talismans. I thought I had an extensive roster but you go through them fast. How about the following suggestion (especially for new players): let us use one of our troopers champions to assist in a battle. This would really help newbies or people who don't have a lot of characters. Standard trooper rules would apply-champion only available for 1 battle, 25 badges. One question: since gauntlet is part of pvp, it is not registering as being credited for a battle when doing the daily event challenges.

There does seem to be quite the step up from A to AA in difficulty. I imagine if that holds true.. AAA and above may be just more effort (and SOW) than I'd ever wish to expend.

I have every Eddie (other than Doomsday), all fully skill sharded, all full power.
I have (I think) every 5 star character all full skill sharded and I think full talisman power for the most part.
I then have some duplicates, many with full skill shards as well (like Liliths).

I know this is beta but getting to the more difficult levels and being restricted to only Magus/Warrior and not ever being allowed to use the same Eddie in 6-7 battles is a bit of a wall.

I mean.. is the average, or even somewhat dedicated player, going to have 7 Magus/Warrior Eddie at full strength?? And AA seems to be the point where enemies start having Destiny Sets... Eternity Sets start showing up.. primordials start appearing, etc.

From my PVP experience these take almost specific teams to defeat effectively. But if you can only do that ONCE and have no clue what the next match is going to be, let alone 3 matches down the road, well it feels a bit like trying to punch your way out of a wet paper bag while blindfolded. Are players expected to have 6-7 duplicates of the same team? So yes.. "Please spend an ungodly amount of SOW just to see if you can even compete in this match. If you can't. You'll lose and have to wait another 7-10 hours before trying again." is a definite factor. I'm really not one to do much of anything where I know the chances of it being fruitful are completely unknown.

And forgive me, but NF has shown a tendency to make things impossible, knowing full well there are players that will bang their head against a wall until they complete something or get some reward. That's typically not me.

There's no way I'm going to try and collect 3 or more of every Eddie or 5 star character then load them with talismans and skill shards. I think I'd die of old age before that ever happened. In addition, it's not like at the harder levels Carriage Rider, Wicker Ed, RttH, Coalgiver, Holy Smoke, etc are ANY help whatsoever.

It'd be one thing if Magus/Warrior fought Magus/Warrior, but using Magus/Warrior against Assassin/Gunner/Sentinel, where they have all the class advantage and you have little or none, just seems ridiculous.

Again, I realize it's beta and things are being "figured out".

As for playability.. I've experienced one odd, unrepeatable crash, at level A. But other than that, things appear to run smoothly.

I think the concept is great but it's certainly easy to reach a wall.

I was undefeated until AAA. I took on a team with Iron Eddie (Fates and Guardians), Gimp (Primordials), Yellow Lilith (Destiny), and Purple Lilith (God knows what on her).

Of course I could only use only warriors.

I thought the Gimp may have Primordials so had Sekhmet but of course had a Nomad with no Talismans by mistake :D

Was annihilated and then annihilated again - Perfect immunity all over the place, tons of yellow buffs, and an Iron Eddie that gets Fury like wildfire. I couldn't come up with a way to beat them with my remaining all warriors...

so I'm out for this week!

I'm sorry to come with my high horse criticism here again... but...

This is not a beta...

If this was a true beta, all fights should be at 1 SoW cost or to be fair... Free!!!

I mean.. it's a beta, you are all helping they "test" and "figure out" what to do...

And...

You are all paying to do so!!! I mean...

I am playing the closed beta from a card game called Magic Arena (Magic: The Gathering new collectible card online game, PC game btw, not mobile). Where:
- Most modes are free, the ones that cost something (in-game currency), don't cost a lot, again: there is modes where you can play free how many times you want.
- There is Real Money spending, the IAP currency is called Gems, and you can buy then and spend then at the beta. once any wipe occurs, everything spent will be reimbursed to your account, every single gem will be there for you to spend when the game goes live.

Yeah I am talking about other game, and I am not bashing LotB in any way, players playing this mode are kinda enjoying it for the most part, from what I am hearing.

But, with this really high cost with players using a LOT of they own resources to play a "beta", lol, why even call it a beta???

Come on, NF, this is basic... you don't charge the amount of resources you are charging when you want players to be your beta testers...

I'm at AA level now and I won't probably be able to pass it cause once again it only let's you use warrior or magus chars and I don't have enough.. In spite I got a lot of tons they are not good enough to face the enemy teams.
This is surely something to review. The same limitation was in a previous level. Maybe they should let us use at least 3 chars classes instead of just 2 and anyway at least change the classes to use

so we need to have 3 characters from every class?

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Originally Posted by Ip4

so we need to have 3 characters from every class?

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No maybe I didn't write it properly: you can choose whatever char you want, but only from warrior or magus class. Note that this applies just in certain levels, not everywhere

Well.. if you want to actually WIN at higher levels then you'll need at least 6 strong Eddies of the allowed classes... if you can only use Magus and Warrior Eddies, that limits the poole.. so what? Klansman, 7Son, and Alex Ed --- Then maybe Samurai, maybe Trooper, maybe GRE, maybe SOL.

The other Magus and Warrior Eds aren't going to do a whole lot against Assassin and Gunner Eddies. So duplicate powerful Eddies will help. And there are 6+ battles to fight.. so... ??? Yeah 3 of each powerful Eddie in each class will help. Just when you thought you were doing well for having most of the Eddies, right?

And given enemies have Primordial talismans or can use ANY class they want, they can block revive, permadeath, block healing, curse, corrupt, etc all while you're stuck with Magus and Warrior which generally don't inflict such things often and can't use the same talismans sets to block the negative buffs..... .

I get the "challenge" aspect of it, but it's really quite silly when you don't know what teams you will face. It's one thing to limit classes on KNOWN enemies like in BNW.. but to do it for random enemies AND restrict the amount of times you can use characters is overkill.

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Originally Posted by Nicko

I think the concept is great but it's certainly easy to reach a wall.

I was undefeated until AAA. I took on a team with Iron Eddie (Fates and Guardians), Gimp (Primordials), Yellow Lilith (Destiny), and Purple Lilith (God knows what on her)

I thought the Gimp may have Primordials so had Sekhmet but of course had a Nomad with no Talismans by mistake :D

Was annihilated and then annihilated again - Perfect immunity all over the place, tons of yellow buffs, and an Iron Eddie that gets Fury like wildfire. I couldn't come up with a way to beat them with my remaining all warriors...

so I'm out for this week!

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You are not alone, Nicko. It was the same for me. I have only two warrior eddies left and three fights to go. One is HS and the other one is a dupe samurai level 10. The gimp always attacked the toon without immunity.
Till level AAA everything was easy. I have all my eddies maxed except Hallowed, which I didn't need anyway.
As I wrote before we need another currency for gauntlet or cheaper prices.

@Sponholz: you’re right for testing, it should be free or with low cost. I played gauntlet this week, but I’m not sure, I I’ll play again next week

After A class is when it got difficult for me. I had faced a battle with 3 level 1 3* characters and a 3* Storm eddie and the next fights was where I was halted. There seems to be no progressionin terms of team difficulties. Its a crap shoot on the floors where the teams are locked. On other floors you can pick and chose your fights if they are all shown so you can plan accordingly.

The other quandry is that clicking on the opponents reveals nothing of the talismans. I did not start seeing buffs on opponents until B and A tier. I know we cant see talisman builds in the current arena but given the current meta you can pretty much guess what classes are holding what falismans. Not the case with Gauntlet. Just because there is a Prisoner up does not mean it is equipped with Primordials.

I understand Sponholz point about how we should not be spending “real” resourses on beta testing or the least we should be paying minimum prices. If there were no rewards attached I would see that but we are receiving real rewards and so I can see the pricing being somewhat justified though I stil think they are too high for the reward at higher tiers

AA tier has 6 battles with a reward of 32 IC per win plus 3 Rare Warrior Souls and 75 Heroic Fragments. The costs are 6 Ironite per battle though. Thats 192 Ironite if you clear it all for 36 ironite. If I was able to win every Arena battle with 36 Ironite that would yield 468 IC. Of course there is no guarantee that I would win every battle so there will be variances but the averages would be in my favor in the Arena. Of course as stated the first time you clear a teir you recieve a fair amount of achievement rewards but thereafter the risk v reward would be quite less. The end weekly rewards are better than current Arena awards but still not justifed for the expense in my opinion. This is all based on the current rewards in the beta which are placeholders from what we are told.

I'm not fortunate enough to be on the beta testing team, but from what I'm reading, my excitement has waned. What I don't understand is, 1) Does the AI create the opponent? 2) If not, are the opponents actual PVP teams? 3) Sword flip still determines who goes first? Hopefully this isn't the only other way to acquire iron coins beside special buys. Seems like without relics, you're not going to be able to get very far. I have some, but nowhere near what appears to be needed to get to the upper tiers.

I really think that Night City should be released before Gauntlet as of now. I reserve the right to feel different after official release but I don't think so. I know, I know, make money, blah, blah, blah. I want to get back to what brought me into this game in the first place, the story within the game and Iron Maiden...

No clue about 1 or 2, My guess is #1 Yes, #2 No (at least I haven't seen level 86 characters in an actual PVP teams in a long, long time if ever). ..... but 3 is a Yes.

I been playing and I'm at lvl B and like many have said way to much SOW to spend.. I had like 250 saved getting ready for next Arena event but already spent half of them and the rewards are just not worth it ( could be better with Launch ) so I just stop playing. I got every toon and Few Dupes so I'm sure can go further but the cost just don't seem worth it.. More SOW are needed in some way or form or a New Currency like others have said so we don't have to give up playing one game mode to play another... I have not had any issues at all and love the look and sit up and things that you need to due to move to each new lvl....

I have never been into saving up dupes. This means that lacking a single warrior Eddie (clansman) allows for nothing to go wrong on tier AAA. I believe this is a good thing but limit it to using no dupes at all. Otherwise only warrior grades will be won using only clansman eddies by the top end players. Makes no sense.

Again, will the requirements change whenever the gauntlet resets? It’s all warrior/magus this time

I only got to the last battle on level D before I ran out of decent toons. :(

Feature for unlocking characters would allow us to continue. Stormseye suggested a purchase for this like if defeated after a battle you spend ironite to continue. As Yup stated he has all Eddies sharded and can only do so much because of not having 5 of the right ones maxxed. Unlocking once used to continue would be making us play more and spend more, why wouldn't NF do this? At AAA running out of decent Warriors forced to use Santa and Snowman against crazy powerful teams is junk. Unlocking my roster somehow would keep the run going instead of dormant until reset, and this will be a 2 week cycle. That means running on the first day until hitting wall then no action for 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Yup

I think a new currency is pretty mandatory .

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There was a long long long talk about new sand when brave new world was introduced but it wasn't implemented and nothing was done about the sand cost (and BNW is nowhere as bad as gauntlet sand cost wise) . I'm sure most people won't bother with the gauntlet if they need iron coins or working towards relics. if it remains this way, I won't bother with it as I would rather use my sand of war in arena (to get the weekly skill shards and fragment and save up to relics from the free sand of war), and playing the gauntlet would drastically decrease the amount of iron coins I could get every week.

Hopefully the devs will address the insane sand of war cost (but I highly doubt it).

Maybe the high cost is deliberate. It might ensure that we don't see the same players getting #1 everytime. Depending on cost/benefit ofc.

Devs I can’t move farther I got stuck in level SSS second fight once I press battle no matter what team I used the game freezes the good thing is it doesn’t consume sow every time the game freezes i got that last night I tried this morning and still the same problem you might want to check that, enemy’s ID OnTheEdge, enemy’s team Beast Eddie, Angel of Mercy, Magus and Sentinel Lilith.

I'm stuck on the third mission of AA. The first loss hurt, the second loss ensured it, the third time I went for my heavy hitters and still missed.
Up to this point I felt the challenge difficulty was definitely on the hard side but surpassable with a good deep roster. This one I just didn't have enough of the right characters to keep trying.
I've read others have gone several levels further, and I'm sure that I could in a few months IF I get lucky securing the right additions to my roster.

I'm torn on the conversation about allowing us to buy characters back somehow. I actually like the added challenge of seeing how far can I get knowing that some levels I cannot use this character again, and other levels that I cannot even use dupes of that character again. It makes my team selection really matter, A LOT. If I can buy Alexander back and re-use him in every fight if I'm willing to pay enough, that changes how I select my first team, and every team after that. I see the disappointment of being "done" with this content for 2 weeks if you burn through the first night and get stuck, but I also like the challenge of having to really get it right. I'm sure I will change my mind later when I am one battle away from the prize level I want and lose because of the coin flip.

I see a little bit of a disconnect here with the extremely low chance of getting new featured characters and the need to have them. I dropped over 70 event souls in the well trying to get Beast Eddie, about 150 rare gunner/assassin souls and still don't have him. I dropped over 40 trying to get Clansman during the event before I ran out of money/willingness to keep trying. He would have been darn helpful in the set of missions I'm stuck on, but I feel it is unlikely I will get him anytime soon. Getting lucky on getting the important characters is a huge bonus. In arena you can keep going with tweaks to old reliable to remain competitive. Gauntlet is not as forgiving.

I am curious how sacrifice events will go moving forward. I had a set of characters slated for sacrifice next month. After running beta I'm realizing that having 2 of most important characters may not be enough. 2 was plenty early on, but AA makes me wish I had 3-4 of a couple of really key characters. Anything that gives Immunity I've gone back and locked so I don't sacrifice it. Others that I was saving for an Ultimate sacrifice I won't dump now. This game has always been a fun challenging balancing act. How do I hoard enough resources to achieve what I really want and advance, but still sacrifice enough to fill in the gaps in my roster. I have no idea what next month's sacrifice will look like for me. I have characters I've wanted since I started the game day 1 that I still don't have and many newer ones I need to round out the roster. And to compete here I will likely need more than one of some of them. I just know that there are many characters I would have sacrificed previously if I got a third or 4th dupe of that I will now consider keeping 3-4 deep. Not all, just a few. But this is going to limit my sacrifice which will limit my ability to get the other powerful characters I want. This continues the balancing act NF created in the game of having to work towards a long term goal. It is frustrating at times, but that aspect is what keeps us coming back and trying over and over again. I am so sick of chasing 3 star evo runes that it isn't funny, but now I feel the need to do it even more. There are tons of 4* characters I suddenly see a "need" to evolve. Please God please increase the drop rate for the highest evo materials. I have dozens of 4* characters I simply cannot evolve because I can't get enough evo runes despite the fact that I farm LoTB for my entire trooper set most weeks.

I have not seen any real bugs in the beta as far as I have been able to progress through AA. I hope that once the load on that feature increases that it continues to run smoothly.

I really think Gauntlet is intended to be something played for the long-game. Gauntlet seems to be designed as something with the potential to challenge any player at any level. The early levels I really believe anyone could get through at level 100 or maybe sooner. Higher tier progression is going to require time and a great deal of resources and more than anything balancing hoarding and pure luck getting powerful characters in your roster. I suspect that as they rotate the challenges every two weeks that I will get farther sometimes than others just based on how lucky I am to have the right characters. I think that will make this different than arena. I pretty much know with arena where I am going to end up. With Gauntlet I think I will be surprised with each new set of challenges to see how far I can progress. I actually like that.

For Gauntlet I believe the best attitude will be to go in to challenge yourself to see how far can you progress and not expect to be able to win to a certain level every time.

Great post Tim with excellent points - I agree with everything you wrote.

I think this is a beta in that the role of Gauntlet in the grand scheme of things is in flux. I think the developers need to define it.

Is it simply an icing on the cake challenge to it's big brother PvP? If that's the case progressing until you hit a wall is probably the way to go. It will involve less time commitment and be doable concurrently with PvP. It may be frustrating at times though, and if the wall remains too tough to overcome interest will wane quickly.

Is it meant to be a feature as potentially engaging as PvP? Then they're going to have to try to modify it so that the wall can somehow be climbed without becoming more "Pay to win" - perhaps giving a character back - or skipping a particular battle with a "Pass" feature - at the expense of dinging your rank.

I could have gotten my Clansman AND my Sekhmet back and I'm not convinced I would have beat the IE team I faced - I still occasionally lose to IE teams in PvP using my best toons, so ONE chance to beat a fully stacked G/A team like that (with a Gimp and Primordials no less) with only warriors was beyond what I could do. Perhaps Carlos or Kamuz could have found a way to pull it off, but many many players would be in the same boat as me.

I have no problem with it being a "play until you hit a wall" feature if the battles aren't as silly as the one that eventually halted my progress. I think the feature itself is great, and I'm glad the developers are reading this thread as there has been some really good input

Summarized suggestions so fsr from posts

Raise or remove the SoW free cap. There are 336 hours in two weeks. The average SoW replenish is about an hour. This would allow people progress a but further without losing too much in risk v reward

Create a new currency to be used, earned and purhased for Gauntlet

Lower the overall cost of SoW for Gauntlet. We have so many ironite cost avenues in the game that the free aspects of playing will limit what you can participate in.

Allow the ability to unlock characters via currency cost

Allow for a continue fee with the same team after a defeat for a currency cost.

Allow full disclosure of opponent teams and their talismans on every floor so that we can plan our teams accordingly. This will not be too unfair as we still need to have a deep roster and the talismans to back it up.

Provide an easier way to swap talismans on characters.

I am sure other can add to this list but these are what I can gather so fsr.

Allow us to use Troopers for our builds

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Devs I can’t move farther I got stuck in level SSS second fight once I press battle no matter what team I used the game freezes the good thing is it doesn’t consume sow every time the game freezes i got that last night I tried this morning and still the same problem you might want to check that, enemy’s ID OnTheEdge, enemy’s team Beast Eddie, Angel of Mercy, Magus and Sentinel Lilith.

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Same boat here. Yesterday I was reporting: {First bug encountered at SSS grade. When I start the first match the game freeze at the teams window. The opponent team is composed by: POM Eddie, Val, cotd gunner and ACR. My team is: shaman eddie, assasin hellhound, warrior hellhound and crimson red dog. I run Android 8.0.0 on honor 9 STF L-09}

This morning the block was gone, managed to win few more matches befo get in stuck at 5th battle of SSS rank against samurai eddie, belzebub, wrath, clair. Same story of Kamuz, game freeze at window team sketch without consuming sow. Apparently the previous block disappeared with the reset.

I assume there’s no way to go back into it once you’ve run out of characters until the reset?, be nice if I could just start over and test it out further

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Summarized suggestions so fsr from posts

Raise or remove the SoW free cap. There are 336 hours in two weeks. The average SoW replenish is about an hour. This would allow people progress a but further without losing too much in risk v reward

Create a new currency to be used, earned and purhased for Gauntlet

Lower the overall cost of SoW for Gauntlet. We have so many ironite cost avenues in the game that the free aspects of playing will limit what you can participate in.

Allow the ability to unlock characters via currency cost

Allow for a continue fee with the same team after a defeat for a currency cost.

Allow full disclosure of opponent teams and their talismans on every floor so that we can plan our teams accordingly. This will not be too unfair as we still need to have a deep roster and the talismans to back it up.

Provide an easier way to swap talismans on characters.

I am sure other can add to this list but these are what I can gather so fsr.

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A good summary but you forgot a point that was mentioned by various people.

The ability to use dupes in quite a few of the grades makes certain characters too important. Having a huge amount of liliths and rare eddies allows for setting up strong teams using the same characters over and over again - especially because you just need one set of good talismans that can be swapped around.
This is against what i believe is one of the intentions with this game mode - to make teams with characters that are rarely used otherwise. The current version is more like: "You now need 5 copies of your best arena team instead of one".

I believe they have enough variety in the mission complexity requirements that people are going to be using characters they normally don't. There was one entire section of missions that would not allow duplicates of a given character so even if you had 4 red Liliths you could still only use one once in that whole section. Other areas you could use each of the four separately.
It does seem they have put some real thought into developing a variety of different types of challenges that will cause everyone to go deeper into their rosters than they would otherwise. At least initial appearances seem that way. I wish I could get further along to investigate the rest of the missions.

However the feature ends up going (I think hitting a wall at some point will be inevitable, personally... even if it gets it's own currency, which it should, IMO), let us never lose sight of what we are truly fighting for! :cool:

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Actually there is an easy alternative of lowering the cost or creating a new currency... Increase the iron coins rewards. At the moment, you would be getting 4-5 iron coins per sand of war in the gauntlet (as opposed to minimum 10 in the arena)... Make it 10 iron coins (or even 8) per sand of war in the gauntlet ... this way everyone can participate in the gauntlet

Iron coins don't allow you to participate in the Gauntlet though. You can't use them to fight battles.. you can't buy SOW with them....

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Iron coins don't allow you to participate in the Gauntlet though. You can't use them to fight battles.. you can't buy SOW with them....

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Really? I had no idea... what's next, you can't use trooper badges to fight in brave new world?

My point was, if the iron coins per sand of war is close in the gauntlet and arena, people who plays the arena for iron coins (I'm sure it's a really high percentage of people) would play the gauntlet more

Made it to grade A and I think I'll stay there because the SoW cost is too obscenely high for one battle. On the bright side it feels good to see myself on such a high ranking compared to the arena. Even if it is meaningless due to how few can play at the moment.

Haven't lost a fight yet though and I haven't used any dupes. It's amazing that there are so many killer team combinations. Makes it very fun.