Thanks mate, this one is doing me well so far. Just started, but its working about a 1:40 on average and my relics arent that maximised at all! That said, I didnt go redemption on Wrath, just guardians & do have labyrinths for Gambler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olevipoeg
i think tonight we get two new events. one is gauntlet, the other is eternal fight. bought 10 occult souls, got the talisman set. the drop chance seems not the worst, but the gunner hiero will elude me for years :P
I think there is a serious bug concerning the talismans drops in the new dungeon. I’ve been running it exclusively this weekend, and after every two hour run I’m showing the alert for new talismans in my inventory. Guess what? When I look in my talisman inventory there is not a single new one in the bunch. This third run confirmed it for me. I’m showing new drops, but nothing in my inventory that wasn’t there already.
My luck is not so good. I don't have banner set, so I bought one pack. No talismans and no Hierophant also. Luck situation normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarthir
Depends upon WHICH dungeon you are referring to.. the Hellfire dungeon WILL drop Eclipse talismans.. the Infernal Dungeon does NOT drop Reaper talismans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saigrim
If you are looking for Reapers but have been running the Hellfire dungeon, you may be missing the Eclipse talismans that are dropping.
I was talking the Infernal dungeon, Yup, which I’m pretty sure is supposed to have a chance to drop Reapers. I have my Magma Eddie now and never got a single talisman in 300 runs. Doesn’t matter now. I’m done. They can take that dungeon and any supposed talismans and jam them straight up their....
So glad that one is done. Tired of babysitting my gadgets.
Talismans showing up in the store hours after I made my marketing comment...
Coincidence?
Talisman packs suck though. I was hoping for straight guaranteed purchase. Blowing ironite on chances, not so much. Been playing this for three years. I know what their chances are like. Funny thing is though, I don’t really need them now. Lol.
I haven’t even started this challenge, I’ve finished of the first part for the event challenges hellfire and it seemed to give me 5 keys but I haven’t used them yet, I’m still trying to finish the 600 runs with Malakhov... is anybody even bothering with that challenge or are you leaving them for another time?
Inferal and hell fire is about the same amount of time and resources to complete. It just depends on who you want first. They are both permanent additions and can be played with at your leisure. I just earned the major, now it's time for the furyless eddie.
I’m leaving them, Rags. I don’t need another white cosmic talisman, even if it is a T3, I don’t have the materials to evolve anyhow.
There a bit of a problem those cosmic Talisman aren’t they.
The hardest thing to find to evolve them is the tiniest seemingly useless one star T1 rune...
I am a bit confused now I think...
Concerning the event challenges I’ve earnt Malakhov already, seems the only point in doing the Malakhov challenges is if you want a lit bit of ironite which you have to burn to get back less than half as much and a couple of high level souls...
But the other event where you face Number of the beast Ed and the Beast at the end, and you need to complete event challenges whilst it’s open to get soul frags etc... that part I’ve completed. But the “use eternity Eddie 10,000 times and use wrath 1,000000 times... that part I haven’t started yet..
Ok so I opened the Infernal Conflict gateway, I see now what all discussion was about, sorry for asking stupid questions, I can’t keep up with the events and forums lately to spite things slowing down some what..
I have put together a team of Gambler Eddie, Wrath, Eternity riding passenger, Derby Demon and Set, oops that failed!
Gees that Beast Ed at the end is one tough dude!
I saw people discussing Talisman combo’s.. that’s where it makes it hard, because swapping Talisman will compromise my arena defence...
So I’ll try The Heirophant and that Shinobi dude.... forgot his name, seems to be working better on auto now!
I battle in the Trooper dungeon when I want SOW because the return for your Ironite is better there than in the store. Eventually I'll finish the talisman achievement, but I'm in no hurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by rags-6094
I seem to be talking to myself on the forums today but another little thing I noted is that for 15 sot each go round they should make 3* evolution runes available, it seems to be raining 1* and 2* evo runes but no 3*’s
You need 25 of them to evolve a cosmic Talisman and 9 for normally Talisman so we heavily depend on these and they don’t drop from the most expensive to play part of the game? C’mon developers please consider adjusting this!
Just add them to all the other complaints they are racking up over recent events. I am having to sell those 3* evo shards, they really stack up after awhile. I dont have enough toons to level to use them on. I havent started the infernal dungeon yet and I already have 4K 1* and 6K 2* evo runes.
After the Trooper Dungeon & Infernal Dungeon events, I currently have around 4,500 2* evo runes, and that's after I leveled over 50 talis to level 4. It even seems the 3* runes dropping in the cosmos are less than I remember. Maybe it's cuz I'm really hungering for them.
Hey, Rags.... I don't know about you, but for the Infernal Dungeon, I had to swap talis w/ my Arena defense, but it seemed like very few were playing, I hardly had any attacks. But it was worth it to finish the event.
Btw, this new Beast Ed version isn't anything special. To work w/ his passive, I used the Flash talis.
Gotta go earn some new Wrathchild frags.
Peace to all!
This morning I was wondering why all of a sudden I was losing every second battle.
Was thinking "DAmmit, the AI boost is killer this morning!"
Had a closer look - Took talis off my A Hierophant last night for gauntlet, forgot to put back on!
/smh
Edit: My team:
AHierophant - Tomb + Warlord
Gambler - Labyrinth + Cosmic
Beast - Eternity + Cosmic
Wrath - Mark + Sustaining + Cosmic
Sustaining on Wrath makes everyone a fair bit more survivable imo.
But if someone manages to cast crave on your team... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Esquatcho
IMHO Redemption is better. It speeds up lower rounds quite a lot and removes annoying buffs in last round. Its on death effect gives physical reflect shield and echo to everyone. So it charges up Hierophant. Wrath gambit seems reasonable.
Yeah, I just dont have any redemptions... And not sure if its worth investing in a set right now. Never though of the supercharge approach though, that makes sense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Olevipoeg
I guess I'm the only one without AHierophant. So I'm running this team.
Raven Witch - Labrynth/Cosmic
Gambler - Radiant/Warlord
Beast - Shadow/Grail
Wrath - Immortal/Redemption
It's working pretty well on auto, 90% success rate. Most runs are under 2min, best time 1min. Need to babysit it a little bit. I tap on Magma Beast at the end and tap through the victory screens to increase the number of runs. Over 100 runs complete and no reapers yet...
...and I'm the only one without A-Hierophant, The Beast and Labyrinth Talisman!
Shit event for me. Maybe end of the year, because of shit-RNG!
TY, Navigator-Frogs! Another event only for a few player! Great development!
Yeah, I don't have him or Gambler, so I'm out if it as well I just wish I could sell the keys for something useful. I tried to get Gambler but only pulled a second Angel. So I'm in the same boat as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by URock
Since this is a permanent addition, you will be able to use the keys when you pull gambler. A hiero is not needed, bat or raven works. I found bat is a little slower than hiero, but I havent had a loss with using the bat. Labyrinth is also not a must. I am using radiant on gambler with better results.
My biggest issue is keeping an Eddie alive. I've not tried Storm with the labyrinth. I might try some others. I have also not tried Lilith. Maybe I'll try some oddballs. After 2 keys and 100 sands with all loses I just quit trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
Huckfinn, I think you really need Gambler for this dungeon. It's not uncommon for wrath and beast to die. I wouldn't waste your keys and SoT until you get Gambler or some comes up with an alternative team.
I think with all the new dungeons... the 120SOT bump from 80 was nice.. but it needs to be 250.. or there needs to be a daily refill.... or leave it at 10 but double the speed at which it accumulates. I should be able to let the game site for roughly an hour and have at least 60 SOT... not 30.
I know alot of guys feel down about not being able to accomplish this Infernal Dungeon event. NF wants people to feel a little seperate or left out as an "incentive" to spend $$$ to catch up and acquire the resources they need, so as to be able to be included and accomplish success. NEVER FORGET THEY ARE A BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING WORKS TOWARDS THEM CREATING REVENUE $!!!
They have made the last 3 dungeon keys permanently available, so just be patient, have fun with it.
My philosophy is "I may not be the best, but I'm definitely not last." This forum and game is a community of friends/like minded people. The game is competitive, but it doesn't make one person better than another.
I speak from experience. It is my one year anniversary. When I started, it sucked not to have all the toons/talis not to be able to achieve or compete. But I have invested double time to catch up and some money along the way. I just got the Beast and fully sharded Wrath a few days before this event. I still have a few red & yellow relics to get. I have felt negative in the past, but I have come to understand the "mobile gaming business model"..... but I think the companies go too far sometimes and cause people to quit, when they were trying to motivate them to spend.
Free to play but Pay to win.... It's the truth. BUT GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT!
P.S. Banner talis work well on Gambler, they heal him when allies take damage.
I think one particular frustration with this event and the Trooper dungeon event is that it isn't like you can be a new-ish player and build a team that can struggle but occasionally get enough wins (say, like 15 or 20) to earn you the prize Eddie. You need to be overwhelmingly dominant in your characters, your talismans, and your resources in order to pull it off. You can't spend 250 Frontier Coins just to win a few times. You need to win dozens of battles per dungeon key to make it worth it. You need a team that can say, "Not only can I beat you, I can beat you so thoroughly that I can autofarm it hundreds of times."Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura
Sure, it's meant to be a long-term goal, much like Relics are. But at least with Relics you get incremental rewards along the way. With the Trooper and Infernal dungeons, there is a barren wasteland ahead of you for hundreds of miles.
If you're a newer player, the best plan is to treat those dungeons like they don't exist for at least six months. Maybe you can pick up enough useful toons, talismans, skill shards, and frontier coins in the meantime.
It does seem like the newer you are, that there is sooo much more to have to earn/collect just to catch up. Last year at this time they had just released the God's of Egypt overpowered toons, plus primordials and eternals were the must have talis, many still being used today. But since then with all the talis (lab,alch,viper, cosmic, etc) the new Eds (NOTB, Gambler), and allies galore..... it would seem easier to just not start down that path. At least there are so many new soul types (reg., epic, leg., mythic) and ways to acquire the past catalogue of toons. Still, it's overwhelming and can be discouraging.
I just can't believe the older Ed's in the Trooper store, cost way too much and you can only get frags once a week.... all for an Ed that is underpowered.
Plus, do they still have skill shards for gold coins in the store? Is it just 2x a month or did they remove it? I bought some weeks ago, now that I have 70 million gold, they aren't available.
A lot of good posts here! We should always remember that this is a freemium game, if we want or not, that's the thing. I'd guess most of us would prefer it would be different and a "real" game, but these modern times have modern solutions (to create money).
Nevertheless there are strategies to cope with the consequences the freemium approach has. I am only a bit sorry for the people that just have a "different thinking" - no offense, and sorry for bad english - and really feel the need to get everything as soon as possible no matter the costs. They might be the main goal of the freemium approach to milk money and this might also hurt people that do not have the money, but a high affinity to gambling. Today you don't need to go to the casino to gamble and lose money, mobile games do provide that, too. This is the main part of the freemium thing that I completely reject. There is a certain psychologic manipulation within many parts of the game to create the fear of the dark, eeh missing out, and to get people into spending money to be competitive, at least for a while. Good luck to everyone to find the right strategy for your way of playing!
About the Infernal Dungeon: it is NOT an event, it is a permanent addtiion to the game. Unlike the Trooper Dungeon there seems to be no difference in terms of costs, currency etc. coming. Correct me if I am wrong, please! So there is no need to hurry, especially as the rewards are rather lame I think, especially as the Reapers do not drop (or maybe with <0.5% chance). Sure, it is the guaranteed way to get the new Eddie, but is he that great? I don't think so. This means there is the great option to wait until you have the right characters and start the grind then. The only thing you should do within time are the class restriction runs in the hell & fire dungeon to get some free keys for the Infernal Dungeon. Apart from that I see no urgent needs at the moment.
trooper cost more because 5 characters to use = 300+300+400+600 wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Blade
I don't know how so many players have finished it for the cost
I meant a change in costs for the key to get in! Like it was the case for the Trooper dungeon after the first week. Sorry for confusion!
I'm glad now that I did not do that many runs yet, as the talisman drop rate will be increased! I did about 130 runs in both dungeons so far. It is too time consuming for me and the fact that these dungeons block your phone for other things for up to 2 hours is nasty.
After hours and hours, I finished the 3 of infernal dungeon achievements and got Magma Beast Eddie.
And I only got 1 reaper talisman. This hell RNG of talisman really make me exhausted......
The lesson learned here is: If you firmly decide to do the event and acquire the new characters/talisman, then do it ASAP, while the event is happening and that it is the cheapest way to go. After the event, it is much more costly and harder to go back to, when new events are happening. Plus, after the event, extras are less abundant (ie: Trooper talis.)
The only downside to this is the amount of time you have to put in all at once, in order to accomplish during the event vs. spreading it out over weeks or months.
I am just about getting through this slowly.
I have no banner and no Assassin Hierophant for my team so went with:
Wrath (Mark and Redemption)
Gambler (Angel and Warlord plus Cosmic (Freeze))
Beast (Eternity and Cosmic (with Void))
Witch (Labs and Cosmic)
It does fail from time to time but so far, for me it just about works - works better if I can watch it while I work but it is pretty stable. I am also going to try Death Bat with Reaper/Inspiration to see fi that works any better but I doubt it. It seems that a sort of protected battering ram works best.....and a dying Wrath who mostly gets back in through the Witch fury move.
It is one hell of a level! Pretty sure with Banners and Assassin Hiero it would be more stable as others have said but cant use them.
PS I did get a single Reaper in my current runs and in the other dungeon I did get Eclipse to finish off my umpteenth Eclipse set!
The infernal dungeon may be the oddball event. It may pay off to wait and you may possibly earn some talisman.
Yeah. You may be correct with the update coming - but I am on holiday next week so trying to sqeeze in as much as I can as it will be trooper focus next week to make sure that is covered then I can see what I can do when I am on wifi!
So AFTER many have completed the Infernal Dungeon.. NOW they boost talisman drops so you MIGHT see one in 600 runs.. because I sure as hell never saw any in 600 runs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura
Except the Infernal Dungeon.. which apparently is only going to drop Reaper talismans AFTER the initial event.
Scott, I found the bat was more reliable than the witch. I don't have banner talisman, so I tried radiant/warlord on gambler.
I also used void on wrath, that helped remove some buffs.
I am going to give that a go the next time I do the dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader