is also needed 10 or 5 star assassin awakening shard for moonchild?it was 5...Quote:
Originally Posted by Natasmai
is also needed 10 or 5 star assassin awakening shard for moonchild?it was 5...Quote:
Originally Posted by Natasmai
Pretty sure they mean you'll see 25 minimum every run. It's.....better than 15 I guess but I still think 25k is unrealistic for people with jobs or real like obligations.
When I did my moonchild it was (5) 5* assassin. I'm not sure now? I'm actually curious if all awakening to level 11 were increased, but I have all of them awakened so I cannot check.
It is documented on this forum in multiple posts what the costs of all the other characters should be. The beast and cyborg were the first to have the increase. And incidentally, nothing has been said about the costs and although I brought it up multiple times, no dev has responded either.
(I'll be ignoring the event achievements simply because 25000 is a nice number)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
If we're taking opinions out of this, Madness has an increase of 25% whereas insanity has an increase of 66%.
Madness does save 625 runs with this update (assuming you can even play the 2500 runs).
So now madness is at 2500 runs for 10 SoT each over 12 days which equates to (if you pace yourself) 209(ish) runs each day for 2090 SoT which would cost 540 ironite each day.
Insanity saves 666.6666... runs (I wonder if that was planned?)
So now insanity is at 1000 runs for 12 SoT each over 12 days which equates to 84(ish) runs each day for only 1008 SoT a day which would cost only 270 ironite each day.
(Bringing opinion back in)
Insanity should be faster but, at least for me, this is too big of a discrepancy. If you can do insanity you can get yourself a Bounty Hunter Ed and T3 in only 117 runs each day. Madness needs 292.
Regarding Leviathan's response... I've posted this elsewhere, but it's worth showing up in a few places....
You have multiple players (customers) telling you that your game is STEALING from us.... essentially STEALING actual cash from our pockets... and your response is have a few more frags and another 5 days to keep getting ripped off even longer? Look the 10 extra frags on insanity is nice, and the extra 5 days seems ok, but this is a VERY tone deaf and inadequate response. Add this to the PATHETIC compensation pack you guys "gave" us a few days ago, and I'm wondering if you actually understand the gravity of the situation.
Look, shitty servers is borderline breach of contract with every user who downloaded the game from Google or Apple stores. Its probably not actionable by law, but we could make the situation very uncomfortable for your company's business relationship with Google and Apple. HOWEVER, blatantly STEALING from us what amounts to actual real world money is straight up internet fraud. This needs to be addressed in an appropriately sincere response in order to at least attempt to make it look like you care.
Ill just leave this link right here....
https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety...internet-fraud
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Originally Posted by MuzakMaker
I can't argue with your logic.
I can only assume they plan on Insanity being specifically for end-game players. It's really not that great of a challenge with more recent awakenable characters. Unlike the Van Helsing event... this insanity dungeon IS auto-replay-able.. if the app doesn't crash or have connectivity issues. I've had 1 defeat in roughly 200 runs.. and I choose to think that was more a fluke than anything since Van Helsing Ed died at the hands of Gangland Ed, which should really NEVER happen.
I will be among the first to agree that the "attainability" of these new characters has gotten out of hand. They time events.. it's not like you can get the character after the event is over.. unless you spend a year working at it.. just look at Dark Lilith/Lucifer.. if you missed those during the event, they are ridiculous to try and acquire. I'm sure BHE will be available somehow after the event.. but probably NOT for cyborg frags.... then again.. how does one get Van Helsing today??? You can't, can you?
Im currently running madness, 10 sot per run for 8 frags at average time 1 minute. I have seen 16 frags drop a few times.
I have seen 10 ironite drop a few times too so I should recoup a bit of resources spent.
I have not seen the madness level increase to 10 frags per drop yet so they must not have pushed through the update yet.
On the up side no connection errors atm....
If I continue on my current quest, 25000/8 = 3125 x 10 sot is a hell of a lot of ironite, ironite I’ve been squirrelling away for months.
I missed Lucifer, I missed Dark Lilith, I don’t have the last VHE shadow character, Still have lol’s to awaken, still haven’t even looked at the dark eternity characters dungeon, I feel like I’m drifting further and further away from you all....
Leaving this game is certainly going to leave a very big hole in my life but I’m sure I’ll find something to fill it if it comes to that... so I’m going to give this one a real go to spite the massive task, anyone with ideas for me to make resources go further or come up with a better team keep them coming, Ihave been reading this thread from beginning to end but many of the characters suggested I simply don’t have.
Currently using Gunner Minotaur/primordial, Alchemist/Labyrinth, Magis Werewolf/frontier,cosmic, Flight of Icarus Eddie/sacred,persecution.
Wish me luck!
So they've upped the frag drop, awesome. But I've suddenly gone from a 99% win rate to ~50%. Giveth with one hand, taketh away with the other
The update hasn't come out yet.
Insanity in theory is autoplayable for me too, however when they were passing out AI I seemed to have gotten the dumbest one. Healing when I have full health, attempting revives when no one is dead, etc. I can easily manually play it but even if it only took 1 second I'm still getting constant and consistent server disconnects even the 117 runs a day is a pipe dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
Connectivity issue are another matter entirely.. and yeah.. I can't seem to understand why they don't devote resources into FIXING IT since it's been an ongoing issue for months now and is only WORSE when new stuff is released (presumably due to increased traffic).
Came up "New game data available" and all of a sudden I started losing so something has come outQuote:
Originally Posted by Ydex
Rags, there are several team you can auto run insanity. I tried the. Gambler, w LoL, charolette, a werewolf. Best 1:28, worst a bit over 2 minutes.
I would go with insanity, cheaper and faster overall. I quit trying for now due to disconnects. If you are lucky the grind will be reachable.
Rags, I have huge respect for y'all old-school players. And it's true, a lot of the newer characters are very useful, and I personally got a HUGE boost via lucky RNG soul drops in October. In particular-- Assassin Werewolf is a beast. I will say that half of my insanity team is pretty standard-- Alex Ed/Orbits, Killer Beast/Starfire (from Gauntlet rewards). My other player is Magus Onyx Son/Singularity, but judging from my Magus Insanity run, I think Magus Lilith blocking with Destiny/Sacred would be just as good of a support player. Assassin WW is my heavy hitter while Killer Beast de-buffs. Maybe Alex, KB, M.Lilith, + the heaviest hitter you have would work?
*I use KB because I hate wasting the Fury meter ... + 3 purple slots ...
Iīm just curious, am I actually the only one who thinks, that it was planned to first shock the players and then reduce the grinding a little bit, as soon as the players got used to the thought of grinding excessively, so that they seem very player-near and nice? Coz for sure, if the event was like it is now from the beginning on- Iīd guess the same rant would be seen in this thread. But now itīs a kind of silencing the players.
I dont know if it silenced many. Some may be playing others doing something else. It will still take 30+ hours to complete the event running insane.
I think they're introducing increasingly near-impossible grinds, designed to discourage all but the end-game players and whales. I mean, who would have thought so many players would have done the "get every single LoL and then grind hundreds of times with each one" so quickly? The game is now littered with Dark Liliths and Lucifers and LoLs. Maybe the 25,000-frag grind is designed to meet the challenge of how many players have beaten whatever they've thrown at us so far?
I have NEVER seen such bad programming, so many bugs, so completly over the top needed storage (I mean-a whole map for GPS of complete Europe is about 2 GB big. Another game I know for computers, with much more graphics, complexity, items and possibilities is 1.5GB.LotB is 2.56GB) in another application before. It seems, that they donīt have any clue what they do (like-who needs MONTHS to generate a Compendium of all characters/talismans? And the help of the players? Shouldnīt they actually have everything saved somewhere, so that they know what they release and which effects it will have on the balance of the game?). It seems theyīre hacking more than programming, in mind-to-finger-style. Every bugfix they do brings in another thousand bugs (remember the "fix" for the prisoners passive). In the events you need to grind more than ever-without real money it isnīt possible to achieve anything anymore.(I donīt invest money here, itīs by far programmed to amateurish). A lot of the programming seems like copy-paste, without going into the details of the specific functions.
This game really needs to fix bug first, get a plan what to do when and then only work on. I think that not too many players would be angry, if theyīd slow down releasing new stuff-I even think that it wouldnīt be bad to reintroduce some of the older events, to get a second chance and fill up the time they need to fix thousands of bugs.
I think new (5 star) Eddies are *specifically* set up for end game players... and the Awakenables are also set up for them. Other characters, like the werewolves or the new Eternals are designed for newer players. They don't EXPECT anyone to get BHE unless they are more of an end game player and can focus on that one new character during a limited time frame. Unfortunately, if you are more of a novice or intermediate player, that means these more powerful characters are placed COMPLETELY out of reach. But, that is the entire nature behind these "Freemium" apps.. it is SUPPOSED to be frustrating for newer players.... dangle the carrot to get you to spend.. then once you show you will spend... keep the spenders spending...
I have no false pretense about my role in the app....we are ALL "suckers" for launching this app in the first place. They know that.. I suspect the band members, and possibly some devs, LAUGH when player issues are presented to them the same way you'd LAUGH if someone was complaining the free car they got broke down after they paid for gas. Just take a public poll about "Facebook games" which basically follow the same methodology as LOTB.... no one takes anything seriously because they know it's all a "slot machine" designed to get your to pump $$$ in for little or no return.
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Might be.
But Iīm playing since the official release, with a short break in between when this so called company took over.
Only thing is, I only spent money in the beginning. Coz doing the maths to the game always tells me to not spend any cent into this game. Itīs just not worth it.
You donīt have a chance to get the new things without paying and with a real life, in which you need the phone^^
It might be, that Iīm not in the aim group then (It surely is like that), but I still think, that fixing their problems must have highest priority...
And I try to point out, that they obviously donīt have a clue about what they actually do
I do NOT have BHE .... I merely grabbed the awakening stuff and cosmics since they were cheaper and most likely going to be difficult to get otherwise... I was a fool to get all 3 cosmics... but didn't know that until AFtER I got all 3
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Originally Posted by Segoy
Geat Idea. I wrote a post scriptum in a problem ticket to express my dissapointment about this RIDICULOUS event
Hello everyone!
We have just pushed an update to the game that has done the following:
- Extended the event by 5 days (Cyborg Monday now ends on December 10th)
- Increased Cyborg Fragment drops on Madness (from 8 to 10)
- Increased Cyborg Fragment drops on Insanity (from 15 to 25)
Ahhhh..... I saw your posts on your frag count and figured you had him by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
Anyway, in a day or so my prediction will come true.
Btw, the post was a compliment. No harm intended.
Much appreciated. Thanks for hearing your customers and working with us!!!!😎🤘Quote:
Originally Posted by Leviathan
... but still didn't address the connection problems or "lost" SOT...
This is pathetic...
Yeah I was just clarifying... no offense taken :) I know I spend more on this stupid little app than I should... butI don't spend on anything else anywhere so... yeah....disposable income I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura
I was able to play three battles, whoo haa . That was tremendous progress. They could make it drop 100 frags per battle and still wouldnt be able to progress much.
Can't even get through 1...
Right now, it literally lets you play for a maximum of 2 minutes before breaking down and getting stuck again. I appreciate the Frag drops increase and the extension of the event since it does at least feel managable now but...if the servers are this fucked up, it's not gonna help anything.
I think they should compensate those of us who are unable to play. It is not fair for some to be able to play while others cant due to connection issues. I do believe the devs have done that in the recent past.
Since the "update" no connection errors but my 100% auto insanity team has had 2 defeats out of 4 or 5 battles.
Has anyone else experienced an increase in the level of difficulty?
Yes, but I think there's an easy explanation assuming you're running Van Helsing with Labyrinths; either Wrathchild or Cyborg Ed killed him. Wrathchild's marks pierce it, and cyborg ed deals a lot of extra hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura
I’m running Fallen Icarus Ed and have only had one defeat at insanity level, thanks for putting me on to that gents.
Usually drops 25 frags per round but occasionally drops 33 so perhaps it might not take as much as I first thought...
Usually 3 - 5 minutes per round on auto but I have had a few just over a minute...
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This team is smoking ass. Eternal on the WW, West Ham Eddie has Light and a T3 Gold Cosmic (20000+ HP 2K plus attack and magic Immortal), Singularity on Madam, Greed and Warlord on Prime. Half the time, Cyborg kills himself with his own Fury due to MWW passive.
It’s a team already mentioned only with Light Talismans and a high HP Cosmic on the Footballer. Can’t have your Eddie dying too easily, now can we?
For Magus Insanity I got through with:
Bass Eddie - Celestial/Echo Cosmic
Magus Lord of Light (Max awakened) - Singularity
Magus Heirophant - Primordials
The Ferryman - Forge/Echo Cosmic
Was like 2m30s to 4m, depending on the round. I lost once, and it was on the first round against Wrathchild. At the time I wasn't using the Echo Cosmic on Bass Eddie (was using Freeze, and it didn't have the HP the Echo I ended up putting on him did). I just sucked it up, accepted the defeat, and restarted once I switched to the Echo.
FWIW: I switched Bass Eddie out and am basically using the same team with Oni Eddie (same talis), which is slightly faster (1m55s fastest) and seems less likely to fail, to just run over the long term.
Note: I have max'd relics.
Sai, how does your Madam stay alive? She seems to die on the first wave pretty often for me from Wrathchild's perfect crave.
Fairly new player (4 months), running insanity with -
Bass Eddie - Alchemy/cosmic
W LOL (4 star purple) - orbit
KP - Warlord/energy/cosmic (I don't have greed)
Assassin Werewolf - yin/yang
Not the fastest, but gets the job done in about 2.30 minutes.
That’s weird. Hasn’t been an issue for me. Relics possibly? I have had a couple defeats since my last post, on the Gangland Eddie wave. The AI seem to go strictly after my Eddie and take him out. I can live with a defeat here and there. The speed is more important. Also, it’s not a timed dungeon, so not worried about a little down time here and there. I’ll be shooting to do the majority of this over the weekend where I can monitor my phone from time to time. If it runs while I’m asleep, fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimDusk
Sadly, the game doesn’t follow the rules, as I’ve seen some of the strangest shit happen in battles which have no right happening at all. Am I surprised at all when it happens? Hardly.
I'm gonna have to break down and get killer prime. Think my average time is 2:30 and have tried lots of combos but nothing gets much better. Had an early run of 1:30 but can't recall who it was, but it wasn't reliable enough. Running van Helsing, witch, sentinel onyx son, and assassin Werewolf now.
Good point on the relics Saigrim, not sure I can get much faster with my mid level relics.