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I just played a few rounds and I would say that the player with the best choice of talismans on his characters maxed out will do OK in the game. Now we know why we were offered those deals for upgrading talismans...
As many of us said it it's just a game. We lose some, we win some.
How much ironite you spend a day? I suppose you don't like "losing some" matches, do ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradata
I have a question for the developers:
I'm curious... as of today, it seems that any defence team that beats me--regardless of whether that player is ranked higher than me or not--now takes 12 points from my team. Based on how many points I've lost today, it seems that my defence team is giving up 12 points regardless of rank too. Is this a glitch, or were things changed like this for everyone with the new update?
No offense, as I just stated I just started playing it and don't really know if there are some rules in this. I apologize if I did you wrong. Honestly, I haven't use ironite in the PVP yet I use it in the regular game to refill SOT so I can get my talismans up to the max. Played the regular game for a while thinking that I do good but seeing you guys I realize that I have much more to learn. Good luck in the game all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
Haven't done wrong dude, this is still just a game, but we all wanna waste our SoWs playing different teams and seeing how it works out for us... And 12 points back and forth brings progress to noone ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradata
My bad, you're right. Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
No probs ;) \m/Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradata
Problem is someone has to give - and no one wants to surrender those 12 points cause attacking new opponents will just bring MORE people after you to steal 12 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringe666-7406
This is why I suggested you get revenge ONE time and the one claiming vengeance gets their points back but they are not deducted from the original attacker. Nobody's feelings are hurt and everyone can move along without endless cycles of revenge. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
I have had no problems at all beating teams with The Prisoner and Warrior Troll. Of course such a team can be very tough if the other two chars on the team are chosen wisely, but those two together does not guarantee a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by osiris0000
I also beat them, but it is quite tough. They are "almost" unbeatable, when they get the first turn advantage. Great pair especially for defense. As far as i have seen, "Debuff" is the king in PVP, especially between the top-tier players. Because top-tier players usually have a group important full maxed chars, this is why i see a constant victory & defeat balance loop between forumers. I wonder how it will work when PVP will be released out for worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by konstifik
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Hmmm...coincidence?
Hello! I couldn't send you a visitor message I don't know why... So I write you from here Atheist. Thank you very much for your PvP Arena video on Youtube! I wasn't sure if I could find a video of it but thankfully you did a great informative video on it. It looks fantastic right now. One small thing, I hope "Future" screen with blue dark background will be "Normal" background. Right now fully orange background on "Normal" would distract me I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atheist
I second that suggestion, game would be better with this added to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
Me too :D Hope the devs will accept this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradata
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Originally Posted by Frost
Is there going to be some kind of open market with trading/buying/selling? I have 4 Trolls and I would think some users could used a few of them.
I doubt it, cause then you'd have little desire to either purchase or grind for souls which helps support the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by OdoyleRules007
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Originally Posted by Nicko
Yeah, that makes sense. When its all said and done, its all about the bottom line. I just can't believe the amount of money people are spending just because they want that 'new Eddie.' I am just content with the Samurai and Grim Reaper Eddie. Fear if the Dark and Storm are cool, but they just sit there in the collection.
How do i get in on the beta testing???????
Please?
I understand the need to try out things as this is beta but if your idea was to wipe out all the fun and stop people spending ironite then you have succeeded with these changes, congratulations
I lost 10 times overnight and lost 215 points unless I win every battle today I will finish the day with lower points.
While you are trying to level the playing field we only have the option to attack 20 players max and tbh an even fight is a 50/50 battle as first starting wins.
Coins is now reduced dramatically unless you spend ironite
In future please ask players the effects of changing before using the hat you seem to be using to get the numbers for these changes
What is the point of having beta testers if you don't use them to help smooth out the wrinkles
From what I see, after the update you receive a lot more points per win so I guess it's normal to lose a bit more too.
Agreed- but the key is "a bit"Quote:
Originally Posted by Schadenfreud-0217
As I suggested on the update thread the way to mitigate the pain is to cut trophy losses for defense losses. I doubt the devs will eliminate trophy losses, but cut them in 1/2. That in conjunction with the iron coin and SOW adjustments would go a long way towards providing balance AND cutting the grind. It would also help reduce the frustration cycles of revenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roquetas-5312
Edit: I know the suggestion would be "You just need to experiment and build a better defense team." Well, mine isn't perfect but it's pretty darn good with maxed skill shards and talismans. Yet my defense success rate drops dramatically each week. The thing is most of us can beat the AI version of other players defensive teams (except those that have all the meta characters). Since it's only partly in our control and partly in the control of the LOTB's AI I think we should split the losses together. ;)
Just wanted to share an epic fight I had last night.
I had this guy in my revenge list, I cheked his team: Mummy, Prisoner, Assassin Golden Son and DM. I was about to pass, but it was my last SoW and I was kinda "To hell, not gonne be on top ever so let's go". Set up my team: Mummy, Angel of Strife, SSD, Gunner Rescuer and clicked Fight.
As expected, I went second round... A real faceroll. After the first round I had just AoS alive with 10% HP. Glad I was lucky he was not frozen/stunned/taunted... Well, now things go crazy. My AoS is mexed in skill shards and talismans, built him for tankness so no CC besides little stun from Torture, so the only CC I had was to use Shriek, wich gave me 3 rounds of immunity and invincibility. Taunted all 4 enemies, but guess what?!?!
Yeah, they could not CC or damage me, and he had no buff removers... So revenge triggered!! One-shoted Prisoner. Another round, I was immortal! One-shotted DM. One more immortal round, so I recast Shriek. I was LMAOL as the AI attempted to kill my immortal AoS. One-shotted Golden Son, only Mummy was there. Helpless. So after 2 rounds Mummy was down, and my 10% HP AoS won this fight alone for me.
I just wanted to change his description from "Damage Absorber" to "Lone Survuvor".
Unfortunatelly I doubt this will happen ever again.
When I read these things I increase my opinion that all mussels are useless without a brilliant brain! Really well done, Frost!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
That's better than when I only had CR Eddie after losing everyone else first round & used Ghost over & over to stay alive & slowly wear down their team (but for some reason they were able to freeze my over immunity & I died). Other best round was (against my own defense, actually), using my Gunner Rescuer to keep resurrecting my team, but his Pharaoh Eddie kept doing the same. It was a long fight.
Hey Frost,Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
I posted about AoS being the counter to the prisoner on the prisoner discussion thread last week.
I guess you missed it, Iīm glad you finally figured it out on your own.
Best
But didn't change my opinion. AoS must be alive and able to cast Shriek, that as I said I was pure lucky not to have him frozen by Golden Son nor taunted by Mummy and not stunned by Prisoner and not skill blocked by DM. He's very solid and has a lot of uses, but still nothing compared to Prisoner combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Just some Prisoner combos are not as good as others... Demoonchield and Nickoes are isnane, Pizzafryday is also insane...
Your suggestion to use AOS as a count to prisoner is solid. Not perfect obviously because you can be stunned before and/or he can just seal your ability at some point, but he comes with my crew on some offense missions for sure. With full shards he packs a nice punch too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
These guys are at the top, itīs supposed to be tough, we canīt win them all. Otherwise itīs going to get really boring. (already is...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
I have a pretty good record going on against those teams mentioned. And once the multiple hit thing gets fixed its going to be a walk in the park against most prisoner teams, regardless of going first or second.
Nerfing should be the last resort, and only done after bigger issues are fixed first.
One might not do the job, agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
Thatīs why I built a second one! :cool:
Coudn't have said it better :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Your Angels are beasts. I'll vouch for that! But there's a mighty nerf bat aimed right at their heads as well. It's why I haven't done anything with my AoS yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Does the AoS hit as hard as the AoF?
In short: NO. AoF does way more damage due to a bug in HP scaling. For example my AoS has 10k more HP than a trooper's AoF and does about 2/3 of the latter damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Too bad devs decided to nerf Torture instead of fixing AoF HP scaling...
Thanks for the compliment, your AoF is great too :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Frost proportion seams right, about 2/3, 10k average.
If the nerfing isnt too much I would still use skill shards on AoS, they are great for protection and do good damage, torture has a chance to stun, not to mention Sherik taunts with immunity and invincibility for 3 rounds. And only 6 skill shards to full built him.
Too bad they are nerfing the AoS, seams to be the only thing going on against the prisoner (besides the prisoner himself), as Slauki well said, it will only make the prisoner stronger.
Shame on the Devs, I hope they chance their minds.
I'll second this. He wasn't even listed as a character that needed tweaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmac
Not just a HP scaling thing... AoS has 233 ATK & MAG, AoF has 1757 ATK & 230 MAG. He's supposed to hit a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
edit: that is say, if a nerf/bug fix is needed it should be done in a way that only effects him and not AoS
Think it's more a matter of it being the same skill so changing it will affect both no matter what, probably why it been nerfed as a "collateral damage" without AOS never being mentioned.. It's the impression it gives..Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcturus