February 2nd 2017 Update Discussion

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

please no more tuning changes .. anything you do breaks everything else.

Also, did everyone forget about night city and brave new world ???? (any new content ?) there have literally been nothing new since LOL dungeons. that was in August. that s like over 8 months.
i dont even play LOL anymore .. completely useless. i have no characters i wanna move to 5 stars .. cause i never get anything other than dogs or oxcultists or allied soldiers.
and that too was done by the previous devs. so the new devs have done nothing yet - except make promises and break stuff.

such a waste

PS - not counting PVP cause only select people have access to it

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Absolutely. I believe several people promised that there'd be good stuff coming at the end of Jan or first of Feb...well, not so much. I have a million in gold I can't claim. Customer support can tell me that I was offered the new player legacy pack back at the end of october, but they can't just manually adjust that since they can't seem to fix the bug. They can go in and actually put in the meteor tals that I earned that didn't drop, but they can't add in the gold. They can nerf my favorite characters, they can add cute animations where some characters have their power move button actually chained and locked...they can add dogs with lighted antlers, but they can't make the damn game just work, and in 2/3 of a year they can't add anything new.

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

please no more tuning changes .. anything you do breaks everything else.

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That's not fair ... the f*ck ups are the only exciting things these days!

Souls - worthless
Grinding - boring
Updates - so many bugs and nerfs to discover

My samurai just hit the boss on AMOLAD Madness with 44k using Fury.....think the devs will need to issue a quick fix. Can this accumulator thing be used in PVP? If it can (not got PVP yet) it must be devastating on attacks?

I ran into the Android emulator issue (emailed to report it) so I tried it on my iPad. I'm happy to report that the issue I had been having since the last major update with it crashing on the killing blow is completely resolved now. The nerfing/talisman issues didn't seem to affect my core team and I ran through all my sands first on special locations, then the rest on GoD Madness with only a few random crashes, none on killing blows.

I'll just wait for an update to fix this update. Hopefully coming soon along with promised new contents.

In the mean time, I'll farm the troopers in Fallen Angel :p

and wtf is going on with buffs in PvP?! They seem to just disappear for no logical reason. i just fought a battle where the wickerman gave atk to everyone but himself and in another instance the immortality froa aGS disappeared after being attacked by a normal aoe hit. this is soooo frustrating! in another battle my whole full HP team got blown out like a candle by a blue bats power attack. something is really fishy...there are so many bugs that it's impossible to even tell what causes them :/

PLUS:every second f'in battle encounters an error while contacting the server and restarts the game!!! OMFG!!!

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Wasn't accumulate with Rainmaker. I knew they were buffing him so I manually played him. My eyes popped out of my head with that first hit :p

Mammy must be having fun in PvP today :cool:

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You would think. But with the constant hangs mid-battle since the update, I've been forced to forfeit many matches.

What's accumulating?

The nerf on Corrupt Droid Sentinel was a bit excessive.
Vampire hunter Eddie has improved but he is still lacking.
Has anyone noticed CoTD gunner effects triggering way below the indicated %?, even with upgraded skills (50% chance) and extra accuracy (+35%) from other characters it seems to be triggering below or around the default (20%) chance, Devs are you aware of this?.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

What's accumulating?

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Some are reporting buffs just keep increasing from round to round, so by the end of a level their Eddie is doing insane damage.

Hasn't been reported in PvP, just PvE - and I myself haven't seen it

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Originally Posted by Mizrael

and wtf is going on with buffs in PvP?! They seem to just disappear for no logical reason. i just fought a battle where the wickerman gave atk to everyone but himself and in another instance the immortality froa aGS disappeared after being attacked by a normal aoe hit. this is soooo frustrating! in another battle my whole full HP team got blown out like a candle by a blue bats power attack. something is really fishy...there are so many bugs that it's impossible to even tell what causes them :/

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You are wrong here - that's part of the balancing now. RNGsus decides now who is winning or loosing and not the nasty human brain anymore.

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Originally Posted by ToTameAGame

You are wrong here - that's part of the balancing now. RNGsus decides now who is winning or loosing and not the nasty human brain anymore.

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i agree here - MAKE RNG GREAT AGAIN #MRGA

anyone else having problems running the app after the playstore upgrade?
Tried my second account on 2 devices and both close to "report error" button after launch.
Tried to reinstall, did nothing, still crashes.

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Originally Posted by ToTameAGame

You are wrong here - that's part of the balancing now. RNGsus decides now who is winning or loosing and not the nasty human brain anymore.

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Hang on...so you are saying that,even though most of us think that NF guys don't have a clue of what they are doing, they actually managed to develop a super intelligent AI which decides what game mechanics get implemented and which don't?! o.O
Well in that case i hope that it will soon decide to fill my roster with CG,the prisoner,nomad and all the other super rare characters im still missing after thousands of souls i have opened. for i have been such a good boy last year...it must feel it! please please rngesus...

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Originally Posted by Mizrael

Hang on...so you are saying that,even though most of us think that NF guys don't have a clue of what they are doing, they actually managed to develop a super intelligent AI which decides what game mechanics get implemented and which don't?! o.O
Well in that case i hope that it will soon decide to fill my roster with CG,the prisoner,nomad and all the other super rare characters im still missing after thousands of souls i have opened. for i have been such a good boy last year...it must feel it! please please rngesus...

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Exactly - you don't need these toons any more as all toons doing total random damage now! What a brilliant move! Some toons even hit themselves now!

I honestly would love to see this game being released to the Open Source Community. I bet they would sort the shit out within two months. Thais game has so much potential and is the worst developer job I've seen in a long long time and the QA is just not existing.

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Originally Posted by ToTameAGame

Exactly - you don't need these toons any more as all toons doing total random damage now! What a brilliant move! Some toons even hit themselves now!

I honestly would love to see this game being released to the Open Source Community. I bet they would sort the shit out within two months. Thais game has so much potential and is the worst developer job I've seen in a long long time and the QA is just not existing.

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they probably have a part time dev guy who introduces more limited time irionite / souls packs that we can buy.
i m sure they have one QA guy who s on vacation. but honestly speaking they dont need QA - they have all the people on the forums. yeah .. let the customer QA it and then pay for it.
comment a line of code and throw it in an update ---- lets see what happens (rinse and repeat)
EPIC

I have been understanding about some bugs in the past but when they still can't make an update without introducing major bugs it's getting a bit silly. The talisman bug and the Eddie-buff/debuff-stacking bug are both so glaringly obvious that you have to wonder if they do any actual testing at all.

i think there is a bug with GR eddie! When i use the main attack (slash), the damages goes to the ennemy AND to my Eddie!

Today, when playing Lightbringer Madness (Underworld's secret location), I used Grim Reaper Eddie's fury ability twice, on the third (trolls) and fourth (demon dogs and children of the damned) wave to resurrect allies. The resurrections worked, but all attacks missed. I don't know of any debuffs that make fury attacks miss, so I assume it's another bug.

I'd also like to give my two cents about the talisman changes.

For every character I have, When choosing what sets to equip them I followed the following criteria:
* If the basic attack affects multiple characters, I tried to equip Freeze or Paralysis sets if the character has blue or green slots.
* If the basic attack deals multiple hits of damage, I tried to equip Burn or Shock sets if the character has red or blue slots.
* Otherwise I tried to equip stat-enhancing sets (Strength, Guardian, Health, Holy, Boost, etc.), according to skills, and occasionally Piercing or Penetrating sets.

If the "crowd-control" sets have such a low chance of triggering as I have seen and people here are reporting, I doubt they are going to be useful anymore. If the "damage over time" sets don't have more chances to trigger, they are never better than stat-enhancing sets, so I don't see a reason why to us them anymore.

I know the devs want the best for the game, and they know much better than me the pros and cons of each design decision, but I don't understand why they are encouraging only increasing stat sets. Then, why do we have other sets if they are worse?

Just to end this post on a positive note, thanks so much for increasing the number of character slots and improving the UI. I really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Valgard

Today, when playing Lightbringer Madness (Underworld's secret location), I used Grim Reaper Eddie's fury ability twice, on the third (trolls) and fourth (demon dogs and children of the damned) wave to resurrect allies. The resurrections worked, but all attacks missed. I don't know of any debuffs that make fury attacks miss, so I assume it's another bug.

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speaking of lightbringer. I was just playing it on hard. In the 2nd wave with the 2 CoTD and Hellhunds.
I was playing Pharaoh, Gunner GS and Corrupt General from a trooper. (sorry, no points for you today).

I was able to hit my fury. 1 hellhound down, and the rest 3 are in their reds on health. Then on the enemy wave, the assassin cotd infinite triggered an addititional round, even though i was invincible due to pharaohs fury, yet his "additional round" triggered every time, even though his attack "missed".

So sad thats Visions Eddie Equilibrium skill still not working properly... you guys promised that this skill would be fixed in the next patch (in this case, this one).
No nerfs in Warrior Troll couse of community reports? I remmember to see most of people talking about remove the burning shield from him couse he does ridicous amount of damage and nothing was done...

I really apreciated some of the changes but I feel like we not being heard in here...

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Originally Posted by HomemLivre

So sad thats Visions Eddie Equilibrium skill still not working properly... you guys promised that this skill would be fixed in the next patch (in this case, this one).
No nerfs in Warrior Troll couse of community reports? I remmember to see most of people talking about remove the burning shield from him couse he does ridicous amount of damage and nothing was done...

I really apreciated some of the changes but I feel like we not being heard in here...

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hell yeah .. legacy of the F'N Visions Eddie \m/

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Originally Posted by konstifik

I have been understanding about some bugs in the past but when they still can't make an update without introducing major bugs it's getting a bit silly. The talisman bug and the Eddie-buff/debuff-stacking bug are both so glaringly obvious that you have to wonder if they do any actual testing at all.

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If you have a few beers first and then play the game with all the new introduced bugs and self hitting Eddies it is actually quite funny. Bit like Homer SImpson giggling about the video "ball in the groin" at the awards festival.

Sober it is hard to take and to believe.

Found another issue:
- Seal skill from DM "Chain" is not working.

Used in pvp agains a Sentinel Undead Rescuer and he was able to use "Escape" even sealed.

Hey all, sorry I've not been responding for the last bit; I've been working with the team to help identify and fix issues that have arisen since the update when live.

If you haven't seen it yet, we've posted about that here.

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Originally Posted by HomemLivre

Found another issue:
- Seal skill from DM "Chain" is not working.

Used in pvp agains a Sentinel Undead Rescuer and he was able to use "Escape" even sealed.

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One question about this. Do you happen to know if the character you were attacking had any Talisman Abilities equipped to them? It's possible that Seal did work, but happened to seal the Talisman ability instead of the main one.

-Kaz

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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB

One question about this. Do you happen to know if the character you were attacking had any Talisman Abilities equipped to them? It's possible that Seal did work, but happened to seal the Talisman ability instead of the main one.

-Kaz

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Its a good question, I really dont remmember if theres a talis set equiped.

It seems to me that the development team is trying to reduce the advantageous effects of talismans so that they become less and less of a factor in deciding who wins in PvP anyway. So instead of spaying and neutering them game wide, why not just try disabling talisman status effects in PvP as opposed to ruining their effectiveness in PvE as well?

Why make our efforts in endless farming and grinding to build up specific talismans pointless across the board? Why reduce the value of our initial investment?

After talisman proc rates dropped drastically, it's become much harder for prisoner-less teams to compete in PvP. My win rate has since taken a plunge after this update.

Whenever I see a red troll with a prisoner, I sigh a little, accept the defeat, then move on to the next opponent. I hope whatever the devs decided to introduce to combat the prisoner will be released pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

It seems to me that the development team is trying to reduce the advantageous effects of talismans so that they become less and less of a factor in deciding who wins in PvP anyway. So instead of spaying and neutering them game wide, why not just try disabling talisman status effects in PvP as opposed to ruining their effectiveness in PvE as well?

Why make our efforts in endless farming and grinding to build up specific talismans pointless across the board? Why reduce the value of our initial investment?

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Far too much sense being spoken here. Please delete this account asap.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

After talisman proc rates dropped drastically, it's become much harder for prisoner-less teams to compete in PvP. My win rate has since taken a plunge after this update.

Whenever I see a red troll with a prisoner, I sigh a little, accept the defeat, then move on to the next opponent. I hope whatever the devs decided to introduce to combat the prisoner will be released pretty soon.

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exactly, i simply cannot understand what is going on there. and now there are more important issues than balancing pvp, so we will prolly wait another month for some reasonable changes beside the bugfixing....sorry guys, but worst update so far, and that's really hard to establish. i appreciate your good intentions, but something went horribly wrong (again)....

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Originally Posted by slauki

exactly, i simply cannot understand what is going on there. and now there are more important issues than balancing pvp, so we will prolly wait another month for some reasonable changes beside the bugfixing....sorry guys, but worst update so far, and that's really hard to establish. i appreciate your good intentions, but something went horribly wrong (again)....

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I have to agree.

The point system is brutal. Once again -its too much to lose 100% on defense of what your opponent gains or more.

My defense is now in tatters with all the changes.

Lower ranked players can easily attack me and win and I drop lots of points. But almost none of the top folks show up in my attack list -same people over and over again.

Ready to give up on trying to stay competitive in PVP for now. So disheartening.

On a positive note, I like the inventory changes and the ability to buy more character slots.

Geez. I guess I haven't missed anything by staying away for a bit. These kinds of games are like a drug. You get addicted. That's what they want. That's how they make the money. You gotta put out a quality product if you want to keep people hooked though. I haven't logged in for over a week now, and after reading all of this feedback, I'm not feeling any desire to log in at all right now. I'll keep waiting and hoping that things get better. Im worried (because I want to be addicted to this shit again) that I'll lose interest completely before that happens.

There's a similar game I play that came out not long after this one did. That game has had a rediculous amount of new content added in the last few months. There are new events that are fun every two weeks. I'd really like to see something similar from this game. Things are progressing way too slow for me though. Sorry to all my troopers for not contributing any badges lately. I'll keep an eye on the forums and hope for better things soon.

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Originally Posted by MrFreeze

Geez. I guess I haven't missed anything by staying away for a bit. These kinds of games are like a drug. You get addicted. That's what they want. That's how they make the money. You gotta put out a quality product if you want to keep people hooked though. I haven't logged in for over a week now, and after reading all of this feedback, I'm not feeling any desire to log in at all right now. I'll keep waiting and hoping that things get better. Im worried (because I want to be addicted to this shit again) that I'll lose interest completely before that happens.

There's a similar game I play that came out not long after this one did. That game has had a rediculous amount of new content added in the last few months. There are new events that are fun every two weeks. I'd really like to see something similar from this game. Things are progressing way too slow for me though. Sorry to all my troopers for not contributing any badges lately. I'll keep an eye on the forums and hope for better things soon.

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What game is that?

Ill PM you. I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to post it.

I think the problem with rainmaker is that his basic attack has a charge on perfect attacks that's supposed to charge the next attack, but it's just going and charging right away. So like I think he's supposed to do close to 12,000 with max attack talisman. With all the stuff people are complaining about Finally I get a good glitch , just like in the beginning when he had 7,000 special. I'm not in pvp so no one has to worry about me and most don't have him juiced with 31 skill shards . Would you complain if your best Eddie glitched to god statis? Lord NickO is the exception , for benching his prisoner, what a noblemen.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

Whenever I see a red troll with a prisoner, I sigh a little, accept the defeat,

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*NF logic* - Sooooo obvious! Nerf the Troll big time! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by slauki

exactly, i simply cannot understand what is going on there. and now there are more important issues than balancing pvp, so we will prolly wait another month for some reasonable changes beside the bugfixing....sorry guys, but worst update so far, and that's really hard to establish. i appreciate your good intentions, but something went horribly wrong (again)....

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I stopped taking this "nice try" serious. Legacy of the Bugs is like an accident - you shouldn't watch but you can't get your eyes off it as well. It is somewhat cute how the regression specialists (I stop calling them devs now - they really are not) jump from one extreme to the other totally ignoring obvious things and messing every thing up with every single update.

Can't open the game since the update, I apologize to my troopers :( Jessica-7742

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Originally Posted by MrFreeze

Ill PM you. I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to post it.

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...and me,please. i have been looking for a replacement for a while now, but sadly all the other games of this kind have some flaws i don't like.
Looking forward to what you have found.