April 2017 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

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Originally Posted by Nicko

The Prisoner nerf is huge - but I agree something was needed. I think - as someone mentioned - saying he's a 4* character is right on the money.

But Homem - don't you see that if they didn't adjust Siege the AoP would just become the next Prisoner? Fair is fair

I think whatever the developers do we'll adapt. I have no problem with a Prisoner nerf (though was expecting something less extreme) but am glad they're adjusting the other toons that affect passives as well

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Originally Posted by HomemLivre

Im figuring out that all the other changes were necessary to balance this change on the Prisoner.

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As I said today I understand now that all this changes was to balance the game becouse of the changes on the Prisoner and Im ok now with this nerf on AoP, its sad but he will be benched.

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Originally Posted by Ubajoa

It has been well established that the prisoner inbalance is not in defense. His OPness is when you are attacking and the prisoner can give you almost a 99% win. Which is not fair compared to people who don't have one.

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And I completely agree with Carlos, hes OPness is on attack, as I mentioned before that I cant even care less with him on defenses (but Im getting bored to only use the same team agains prisoner teams, game deserves a change)

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

Not even close to 99% Need alot more toons for that! Not everyone has rosters like Nicko's! Sry bud,just sayin

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OK. You're right 99% is not only the prisoner but let's say 90%+. For example 1 thing most people complaint about is the taunt fest which prisoner teams are not part of, cause prisoner blocks siege so the whole team can use immunity talismans. Just to expose 1 case.

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Originally Posted by Ubajoa

Sorry to bring wow again, but I think this would be great here. Back in early days in wow when a talent tree suffer critical changes they were full reset for free so people can choose talents again. That would be great here, I agree that skill shards shouldn't be removable always due to the rarity, but if a character suffer a huge nerf or buff (critical change) all the skill shards should be returned to the inventory so we can decide where to use them.

And please left the Angel of fear alone, no more nerf to him.

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This is a great idea. Don't make shards removable, but in the event a character goes through a major retuning, shards should be reset and given back on said character. Would eliminate buyers remorse substantially.

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Originally Posted by Ubajoa

OK. You're right 99% is not only the prisoner but let's say 90%+. For example 1 thing most people complaint about is the taunt fest which prisoner teams are not part of, cause prisoner blocks siege so the whole team can use immunity talismans. Just to expose 1 case.

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At work,doing troopers,lmao! Quickly,immunitizing an entire team costs HP. Outside arena,as a collector,the prisoner just became alot less valuable! Not that I care but shards should be returned. Would love to know how people who just pulled him feel! Ugh!!! Not a 5*! Always thought the point of this game was to collect the elite toons. If this keeps going everyone will be able to beat everyone,which may sound good but then the game becomes even more Pay2Win! You need elite toons to give 'lucky' pull teams a chance. Gotta go!

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

This is a great idea. Don't make shards removable, but in the event a character goes through a major retuning, shards should be reset and given back on said character. Would eliminate buyers remorse substantially.

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Been mentioned several times b4...deaf ears

Hi everybody

Prisoner and AoP nerfs
I'm ok with those, I think on offense devs wanted everybody to be able to use the new talismans, and on defense let them be able to have passives too, even when facing Prisoners teams. I will still use my AoP on offense, great against shields. (yes, fights will take longer I believe)

AoF
Please leave him alone! He is ok, already been nerfed and one of the best warriors to counter sentinel dominance. He is taking the blame from GRE slash being out of order!

Voids
They proc near 100% of the time, that's the real problem.

Skill shards
I think they should be removable, at least after each major update. But better if removable all time. Why?
1 - It would help sacrifice - at one point all players would have enough skill shards to play around, so we would add them to some toons to get greater essence value. It's hard to gather toons for a decent sacrifice. (last 2 tiers).
2 - It would make us try much more toons at the Arena, I would experiment a lot of different compositions. That is what this update is all about after all...
3 - It would make it easier to newer players to catch up.

(Oh, one last thing, being able to look at other players rosters maybe ok, but at talismans selection and skill shard allocation... that is too much)

Cheers
Gmac

With that nerf (AoP and prisoner) every defense team will bring a red troll ... Is anybody think his reflect shield should be remove with the same update? (just for say, i have a troll, and sacrifice another one, but i think he will ruin the game in pvp)

Otherwise this character tuning can change the pvp playing, i'm not against this, let's see how that will works ....
But this is a massive nerf for those 2 characters and it make prejudice to players who have invested a lot of time and money in the game for getting skillshards, we just should be able to recover the skillshards invested in those 2 characters... (because they will become totally useless in pvp and pve)

My 2 cents...

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Originally Posted by Gmac

(Oh, one last thing, being able to look at other players rosters maybe ok, but at talismans selection and skill shard allocation... that is too much)

Cheers
Gmac

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This would be nice as well. I know since I found out Shaolin was posting screenshots of my account publicly, from whatever that other tools name was that took them, I've been scared to add new troopers and forum users to my list not knowing if they actually want to be buddies, or just to be sneaky backstabbers. One bad apple spoils the bunch.

I'm losing Trooper points because I'm sure at least 50% of my troopers aren't daily, but don't feel comfortable adding 30 new ones. I've had the same OGs since day 1 only replacing people when they go inactive for long periods of time, stick with who you came up with :)

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

This is a great idea. Don't make shards removable, but in the event a character goes through a major retuning, shards should be reset and given back on said character. Would eliminate buyers remorse substantially.

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I like this idea as well. It definitely would generate a lot more goodwill overall after nerfs are done.

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Originally Posted by Gmac

Hi everybody

Prisoner and AoP nerfs
I'm ok with those, I think on offense devs wanted everybody to be able to use the new talismans, and on defense let them be able to have passives too, even when facing Prisoners teams. I will still use my AoP on offense, great against shields. (yes, fights will take longer I believe)

AoF
Please leave him alone! He is ok, already been nerfed and one of the best warriors to counter sentinel dominance. He is taking the blame from GRE slash being out of order!

Voids
They proc near 100% of the time, that's the real problem.

Skill shards
I think they should be removable, at least after each major update. But better if removable all time. Why?
1 - It would help sacrifice - at one point all players would have enough skill shards to play around, so we would add them to some toons to get greater essence value. It's hard to gather toons for a decent sacrifice. (last 2 tiers).
2 - It would make us try much more toons at the Arena, I would experiment a lot of different compositions. That is what this update is all about after all...
3 - It would make it easier to newer players to catch up.

(Oh, one last thing, being able to look at other players rosters maybe ok, but at talismans selection and skill shard allocation... that is too much)

Cheers
Gmac

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I agree with your analysis on everything. If the devs are hesitant to consider making skill shards removable, they should definitely consider the refund after a nerf. Also, #saveAOF ;):cool:

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Originally Posted by surfingwithdje

With that nerf (AoP and prisoner) every defense team will bring a red troll ... Is anybody think his reflect shield should be remove with the same update? (just for say, i have a troll, and sacrifice another one, but i think he will ruin the game in pvp)

Otherwise this character tuning can change the pvp playing, i'm not against this, let's see how that will works ....
But this is a massive nerf for those 2 characters and it make prejudice to players who have invested a lot of time and money in the game for getting skillshards, we just should be able to recover the skillshards invested in those 2 characters... (because they will become totally useless in pvp and pve)

My 2 cents...

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Yes! I'm glad someone else is on the same wavelength here. After reading through the posts, I was quickly coming to the same conclusion that you did ─ Troll shouldn't have a reflect shield, or any damage-inducing shield for that matter, due to the difficulty in countering him now. The devs should consider making the Troll a completely defensive character (which will still have a LOT of use), rather than a hybrid of the two where his passive can also wreck serious face. Get rid of his damage shields, but keep his defensive ones (maybe even buff the defensive ones ─ whatever makes him more balanced). Sounds like a good solution to me!

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

1. With the proposed changes to the prisoner, IMHO, you are making him a 4* toon. I really think if you go forward with these changes to him, he should be changed to 4*. Otherwise, if you want to keep him 5*, what you've proposed isn't the answer. I don't have him, just for the record.

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We have no plans to change the rarity of characters.

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

2. Question. With the DDog changes being proposed, does anything counter the passive? If one has immunity or invisibility active, does that counter the remove beneficial effects passive from applying to those toons? If the whole team is invisible, will it still remove all beneficial effects on up to 2 toons?

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The only real answer right now (other than killing it) is the Prisoner, because nothing else has Passive Block.

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

3. Like many others have suggested, please be gentle on the AoF. He's been nerfed hard already, and while he is present on some teams, he isn't widely used. For full disclosure, I currently use him on my defense, but I never went tauntfest. I refused to shard the SSD.

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You're not accounting for attack team usage, but even if you only account for defense team usage, he's still the go-to Warrior to the exclusion of nearly every other non-Eddie Warrior in the game.

Ultimately, the adjustment here to his Attack is not that substantial; he's going from effectively tied for best maxed out Attack in the game to being higher Attack than every character that isn't basically tied for highest Attack in the game (from approx 1750 to approx 1500 at 5 star level 100). We really are just trying to give other high-Attack-focused characters a bit more of an edge without power creeping everyone else above him.

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Originally Posted by CanyptianFit

4. While I like that your enhancing the nomad, in his current state still very risky. You'd have to use mirage last and hope to get invisibility active on toons. One way to get him more into arena is to ensure that after you use mirage, invisibility won't go away if a toon attacks that SAME round. Otherwise it's a big gamble and not worth the risk.

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We definitely don't want to change Invisibility in that manner, as there's a high risk of something unintended going through (either a bug which causes more problems or a possible OP combo when trying to abuse Extra Turns). He can be a bit unreliable on defense, but we nonetheless would like to see him more on offense and defense, and these changes we think will help push him in that direction.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

However, I must say that it looks like you're turning PvP from a tauntfest into a trollfest. Unless there's something I'm missing, the troll will be in everyone's defense team since siege and passive aggression are being nerfed. This simply is not a viable solution. It will put those without a troll at a huge disadvantage before the battle has even begun.

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We definitely expect him to still be a popular character, but the reduction of free damage from his shields will mean he's a more passive and defensive character, and the increased reliability of other passives means we hope to see other defensive options be potentially more synergistic with your team depending on what characters you're planning to use.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

Also, in the preliminary notes under skill changes, one entry states "wickerman dog". I'm guessing that should read "wickerdog of night" since he's the only wickerdog I know with the heal skill, right?

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Whoops, good catch. We'll make sure that's correct in the release patch notes.

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Originally Posted by Gmac

Voids
They proc near 100% of the time, that's the real problem.

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There's definitely a bug where augments like Void Shields are proccing more than we should, and we aim to fix that as soon as possible, but it's a tech issue, so I can't make any guarantees.

That said, we feel that even if that were in order the real threat of Void Shields is it's removal powers while also reducing damage to your characters, so we feel that softening the reflected damage is an appropriate action to encourage use of other purple talismans.

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Originally Posted by surfingwithdje

With that nerf (AoP and prisoner) every defense team will bring a red troll ... Is anybody think his reflect shield should be remove with the same update? (just for say, i have a troll, and sacrifice another one, but i think he will ruin the game in pvp)

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Originally Posted by Tritium

Yes! I'm glad someone else is on the same wavelength here. After reading through the posts, I was quickly coming to the same conclusion that you did ─ Troll shouldn't have a reflect shield, or any damage-inducing shield for that matter, due to the difficulty in countering him now. The devs should consider making the Troll a completely defensive character (which will still have a LOT of use), rather than a hybrid of the two where his passive can also wreck serious face. Get rid of his damage shields, but keep his defensive ones (maybe even buff the defensive ones ─ whatever makes him more balanced). Sounds like a good solution to me!

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Removing his Reflect Shield as well was definitely considered, but realistically, damage from Magma Shields on characters who survived was way outstripping the damage that reflect shields could ever hope to do. We feel the random allocation of 1/3 of the time having a damaging shield instead of 2/3 is a fine place for him to be in.

So reading through all the WoW posts... 😴 I'm glad to see very few people wishing this game had more 12 hour grindfests... f*ck all that noise! 😆 ...always reminds me of that one South park episode lol!

I also read that skill shards should "not be removable".... then read, "except in situations where a NerF has been applied" ...LMFAO! Make up your minds... should they or shouldn't they?

Simple yes or no question,

If you read that a removable skill shards feature was part of the update, would you be ok with it?

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

So reading through all the WoW posts... 😴 I'm glad to see very few people wishing this game had more 12 hour grindfests... f*ck all that noise! 😆 ...always reminds me of that one South park episode lol!

I also read that skill shards should "not be removable".... then read, "except in situations where a NerF has been applied" ...LMFAO! Make up your minds... should they or shouldn't they?

Simple yes or no question,

If you read that a removable skill shards feature was part of the update, would you be ok with it?

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I was actually going to quote that South Park episode yesterday, "MOM! MORE HOT POCKETS!" lol. I'm pretty sure not too many people would be against it, except maybe the fully stocked accounts worrying about people catching up to them. It's funny since sacrifice came out I'm finding old toons i put shards in back when I had no idea what I was doing, only about a half dozen of them but characters like Magus Newborn of Light. Easy to see who I started the game with :)

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

So reading through all the WoW posts... �� I'm glad to see very few people wishing this game had more 12 hour grindfests... f*ck all that noise! �� ...always reminds me of that one South park episode lol!

I also read that skill shards should "not be removable".... then read, "except in situations where a NerF has been applied" ...LMFAO! Make up your minds... should they or shouldn't they?

Simple yes or no question,

If you read that a removable skill shards feature was part of the update, would you be ok with it?

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They shouldn't be removable,that's part of the game,deciding who to shard. But when a toon gets a major nerf,players should have the option

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

They shouldn't be removable,that's part of the game,deciding who to shard. But when a toon gets a major nerf,players should have the option

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Only downside on this is the devs take a bunch more heat. Whats the exact definition of a "major" nerf? Every time there's tweaks and shards aren't reset, people will riot. Or would it have to be any change to the characters mechanics? Just thinking a bit more in depth on it.

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

Only downside on this is the devs take a bunch more heat. Whats the exact definition of a "major" nerf? Every time there's tweaks and shards aren't reset, people will riot. Or would it have to be any change to the characters mechanics? Just thinking a bit more in depth on it.

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As I said,I don't care. 1 day they'll all be sharded,lol. But I don't blame others. Any nerf...it's up to players

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

I was actually going to quote that South Park episode yesterday, "MOM! MORE HOT POCKETS!" lol. I'm pretty sure not too many people would be against it, except maybe the fully stocked accounts worrying about people catching up to them. It's funny since sacrifice came out I'm finding old toons i put shards in back when I had no idea what I was doing, only about a half dozen of them but characters like Magus Newborn of Light. Easy to see who I started the game with :)

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Ha! That was the best! F'ing Cartman lol... my bro tried to get me into WoW but when he told me about the gameplay and how much time I would need to play "catch up" my reply was, "oh hell no dude, you're tripping!" ...and he could not stop laughing at my level of disgust 😆

Yeah man have a few chars like Holy Smoke and Wicker Man that have a skill shard each lol... played the game for a couple months before I figured out those didn't come around very often. Didn't find the forum until last October lol so was really lost in the woods for quite some time.... still kinda am lol

One funny thing is, that you first made a poll, to ask the community how to counter "the one"...and the players suggested 1.talismans 2.PvP ban 3.nerf
The talisman solution didn't pan out as expected. even worse, it kinda backfired...(sorry, but i believe that those rather silly talisman sets, introduced for a typical overprice, were not what the majority of the players was expecting)

Suggestion 2. was skipped (guess due to lack of skill or a shortage of the programmers)

So you jumped straight to solution nr3...and big time
(i don't own a prisoner)

Just like many others here, i'm not a big fan of nerfing. especially when it all happens just because of PvP.
you have been warned that the game at it's current state wasn't ready for it, yet you seemed to be completely obsessed with it and pushed it ahead of any new PvM content (its been 7 months now since LoL, if im not mistaken. SEVEN months of farming GoD! :P ).

What we have got is a rushed PvP environment full of flaws: OP characters, glitchy interface (winning streak flames,victory points going up and down, etc.), uneven attack/def system (some get attacked 40 some 600 times a week), dodgy coin toss, newly introduced self attack, aso.

Solution? randomly swinging the nerf bat around. as you've (Sparton) yourself said: You hope....(a dev should know,not hope)
So that means that if you don't hit this time,you won't hesitate to swing again.
And the players have to pay for it! in your own prices-3 skill shards cost 50$. so you will practically flush down around 200$ of some players money (just by nerfing 2 characters)

but @Sparton, i admire your art of the keyboard. you manage to avoid the real questions and requests so smoothly that it almost makes the players forget what they asked for. they just gets swept under the carpet. in this case it's the old "removable (or at least refunded) skill shards".

Look at it this way:
to have a team of fully sharded Eddie+2 or 3 characters you require at least 30 skill shards. that would be the lowest target everyone would try to reach. To be able to freely swap shards between any chars you would need about 60 (f.e. GRE+wickerman+AoP+AG).
It's not a small number.

Positives:
-You could still sell your 50$ packs for the impatient ones or those who can't be bothered to swap them all the time
-This would really encourage the players to think outside of the box. they would try different teams in the arena-hence needing more resets=more $$$ for devs from ironite
-It might help with future character balancing as players could try every character they own, potentially finding some new hidden gems or OPs.

actually the only valid reason why you won't consider it and choose to overlook it is that it's not in the programming powers of your team...

Honestly, I think the biggest problem is the stupid A.I. Fix that & let's see how these toons are supposed to perform!!!

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

Whoops, good catch. We'll make sure that's correct in the release patch notes.

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No worries. Also noticed under skill changes it mentions "harpy warrior" followed by "magus/warrior". Does this mean both the harpy and masked harpy will receive the guardian passive or just the warrior harpy will?

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

No worries. Also noticed under skill changes it mentions "harpy warrior" followed by "magus/warrior". Does this mean both the harpy and masked harpy will receive the guardian passive or just the warrior harpy will?

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Ah, good catch again. We do mean Warrior Harpy and Magus Masked Harpy.

Sparton, I've noticed that certain basic attacks don't seem to trigger invisibility talismans. Often they are basic attacks that require tapping 3 times in a row before the toon attacks. For instance, I have a set of invisibility talismans on my Cyborg and his present basic attack, Tase (1-tap), procs invisibility as often as it should. However, I've used his past basic, Dead Eye (3-tap), pretty often (well over 50 times) and have yet to see it proc his invisibility once. I'm wondering if this is only a problem that affects 3-tap basic attack self-buff talismans (e.g. invisibility, pierce, penetrating, etc.) as I know for a fact that enemy debuffs (e.g. blind, paralysis, freeze, etc.) work on 3-tap basic attacks (case in point: Mummy Eddie). Not sure if you and the team were aware of this.

Let's see, GRE, check, prisoner. Check. Angel of pain. Check. These are my 3 primary attackers. So naturally this is where the vast majority of my skill shards went. (26 for GRE atm). If you wanna tweek them, fine. Your game. Your rules. I'm just saying that's a LOT of trooper badges (and money on my part) to waste on skill shards. If you want me to continue to drop a dime here and there, please take your time and think of how you could do right by your players. Anyway. Love the game

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

Ah, good catch again. We do mean Warrior Harpy and Magus Masked Harpy.

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Looking foward to this change as they have always been faves of mine

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Originally Posted by Tritium

Sparton, I've noticed that certain basic attacks don't seem to trigger invisibility talismans. Often they are basic attacks that require tapping 3 times in a row before the toon attacks. For instance, I have a set of invisibility talismans on my Cyborg and his present basic attack, Tase (1-tap), procs invisibility as often as it should. However, I've used his past basic, Dead Eye (3-tap), pretty often (well over 50 times) and have yet to see it proc his invisibility once. I'm wondering if this is only a problem that affects 3-tap basic attack self-buff talismans (e.g. invisibility, pierce, penetrating, etc.) as I know for a fact that enemy debuffs (e.g. blind, paralysis, freeze, etc.) work on 3-tap basic attacks (case in point: Mummy Eddie). Not sure if you and the team were aware of this.

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Interesting comment. I've noticed something similar with marks that trigger on perfect attacks. I can't remember the details, but I'll pay more attention.

druid138-6195

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Originally Posted by Pagan-3014

Let's see, GRE, check, prisoner. Check. Angel of pain. Check. These are my 3 primary attackers. So naturally this is where the vast majority of my skill shards went. (26 for GRE atm). If you wanna tweek them, fine. Your game. Your rules. I'm just saying that's a LOT of trooper badges (and money on my part) to waste on skill shards. If you want me to continue to drop a dime here and there, please take your time and think of how you could do right by your players. Anyway. Love the game

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Well said Pagan, welcome to the party!

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Originally Posted by Tritium

Sparton, I've noticed that certain basic attacks don't seem to trigger invisibility talismans. Often they are basic attacks that require tapping 3 times in a row before the toon attacks. For instance, I have a set of invisibility talismans on my Cyborg and his present basic attack, Tase (1-tap), procs invisibility as often as it should. However, I've used his past basic, Dead Eye (3-tap), pretty often (well over 50 times) and have yet to see it proc his invisibility once.

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That is an issue with the data for Dead Eye, where it's not flagged to trigger augments. It should be a simple fix, so I'll see if that can make it into the next update.

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

Looking foward to this change as they have always been faves of mine

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+1 to this. They are my fav also.

Here is my view about the updates..

Tuning updates are necessary, which i can understand. But the thing i see is we are losing the excitement about in-game content. So much grinding going on. For example, it would be super cool to getting the some in-game bosses into the game.

For example; like Goddess Aset, Goddess Sekhmet and God Horus.
Or Wrath and Beelzebub.. Or "The Beast"?.. I guess he would be the rarest one! (If it ever happen)

Actually, we have some in-game bosses like Wickerman, Nomad and Generals for example. Why don't we have more bosses as playable chars?

The thing is, i really miss first excitement of mythologic story line personally. I believe many players think the same way as i do. Even it will took long time to get the Night City content, it will be a fresh excitement to roll-in some in-game bosses into the game.

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Originally Posted by osiris0000

+1 to this. They are my fav also.

Here is my view about the updates..

Tuning updates are necessary, which i can understand. But the thing i see is we are losing the excitement about in-game content. So much grinding going on. For example, it would be super cool to getting the some in-game bosses into the game.

For example; like Goddess Aset, Goddess Sekhmet and God Horus.
Or Wrath and Beelzebub.. Or "The Beast"?.. I guess he would be the rarest one! (If it ever happen)

Actually, we have some in-game bosses like Wickerman, Nomad and Generals for example. Why don't we have more bosses as playable chars?

The thing is, i really miss first excitement of mythologic story line personally. I believe many players think the same way as i do. Even it will took long time to get the Night City content, it will be a fresh excitement to roll-in some in-game bosses into the game.

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Oh, don't you worry. We feel exactly the same way. More details to come on more of that in the future...

-Kaz

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Originally Posted by osiris0000

+1 to this. They are my fav also.

Here is my view about the updates..

Tuning updates are necessary, which i can understand. But the thing i see is we are losing the excitement about in-game content. So much grinding going on. For example, it would be super cool to getting the some in-game bosses into the game.

For example; like Goddess Aset, Goddess Sekhmet and God Horus.
Or Wrath and Beelzebub.. Or "The Beast"?.. I guess he would be the rarest one! (If it ever happen)

Actually, we have some in-game bosses like Wickerman, Nomad and Generals for example. Why don't we have more bosses as playable chars?

The thing is, i really miss first excitement of mythologic story line personally. I believe many players think the same way as i do. Even it will took long time to get the Night City content, it will be a fresh excitement to roll-in some in-game bosses into the game.

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Cuz after the prisoner nerf who would counter them??? Going backwards here!

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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB

Oh, don't you worry. We feel exactly the same way. More details to come on more of that in the future...

-Kaz

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Crazy hard bosses with exclusive loot on refresh timers would be awesome (similar to secret locations, but really hard).

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

That is an issue with the data for Dead Eye, where it's not flagged to trigger augments. It should be a simple fix, so I'll see if that can make it into the next update.

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Awesome! Thanks for letting the programmers know.

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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB

Oh, don't you worry. We feel exactly the same way. More details to come on more of that in the future...

-Kaz

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It's very good to hear! Because we have more cool bosses in the game and they will be really special if they join to book of souls. I really look forward to see what future updates will bring into the game.

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

Crazy hard bosses with exclusive loot on refresh timers would be awesome (similar to secret locations, but really hard).

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Yep, also on our radar :)

-Kaz

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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB

Oh, don't you worry. We feel exactly the same way. More details to come on more of that in the future...
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-Kaz

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Ok now... I have two fingers.

😝...my David after dentist moment...

This is a very interesting lil teaser post Kaz lol... let the speculation begin!

Funny how most of the loudest voices for nerfing the prisoner have no problem beating mine! I.E. sharing prisoner hunting strategies,new talismans seem to have worked! Which proves its not just the prisoner but a combination of toons. Maybe just maybe those teams belong at the top! Also funny how most don't have a problem with nerfing toons they don't have but protecting the ones they own. NF,take a look at how my defense % has dropped since week 1 & you really think castration is the answer? I mean my strategy hasn't changed??? Also keep in mind every nerf is making it harder & harder for noobs to complete PvE!
I am opposed to ANY nerf. Think you need to release new toons as counters & pay a little more attention to what you're releasing.
Loved the fact that the prisoner put you at another level. Same thing new talismans do. Has already been proven top ranks are attainable without the prisoner...just gunna cost you more! I.M.O. if you dont have certain elite toons or talismans then maybe you don't belong at the top. No offence...just saying. Where's the thrill in pulling a Prisoner now...gone!!! Already enough bitching about horrible drop rates...well it just got much,much worse!

With the changes to Mummy Eddie's Taunt needed, would changing how taunt works on all characters alleviate peoples frustrations? Instead of AI controlling the attack how about we do. When taunted you can still only attack the character that taunted you but at least you are attacking and not AI. Would help when Taunters are for example using blind talismans as you are more likely to get a perfect hit and able to wrestle back control.

nerfing all toons (i still don't have troll, prisoner or sharded GRE) to the same level with everyone using the same talismans can't be a solution.
another aproach could be that you can only have one CC effect/toon at a time. if you are frozen, you can't be stunned or taunted on top or maybe the oldest gets overriden by the newest.
and/or CC immunity for one turn after being disabled

So, looking at the characters that will get a boost in this update, there are a few interesting ones. Warrior COTD looks to become a very powerful single target hitter. He hit pretty hard as it is. Magus Corrupt Rescuer is already an interesting character and increasing her effect chances for both skills will possibly make her a must have. Glad I pulled her recently! With skill shards her chance to steal positive effects are already 75 % so with upping both base and scaling of that, it should be at least 85 % after the update. And her AoE power skill have a 45 % chance to freeze if fully sharded, so that will be at least 55 % with this update. I will definitely be looking into sharding her.

The Wickerdog of Night might actually become interesting too. Increased magic and HP, increased damage of the basic attack and the heal skill is changed to cleanse.

Will be interesting to see what happens to The Nomad with removed special scaling for his attacks but increased magic stat and increased damage for both his skills.

One of my troopers has magus CR, and she delivers pretty good damage, her basic is more 1700, put some more blues and is very strong. Also has a very high MR. I have not sharded mine because I have other priorities, finishing sharding my GRE is one of them. Then will have to think if death dog is worth to shard as well.

About point system, please don't make us lose so many points if AI is not as intelligent. It will never be, lose % will drop a lot and we don't deserve to lose so many points.

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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB

Yep, also on our radar :)

-Kaz

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Great news!

Speaking of secret locations, just completed my 1000 clears achievement for the legendary soul 😀