Beta PVP Arena! Let's feedback here~*

Just out of curiosity I play the same team offense and defense in PvP.

Offense I have not lost one fight yet. It was very close against Nicko's team and he had the first strike. I was basically lucky that my Bomber Boy froze 2 of his toons twice in a row (perfect attacks). Otherwise I really would have lost.

But that also shows how much better a human player is.

It was also mentioned a few times here that the point system may need to be changed. Firstly it really is kind of frustrating loosing so many points because you need to sleep at some point. Secondly the AI for the defense is obviously no match at all for a human player.

I also don't think the AI is that much better than in Campaign mode. The toons in Arena hit just much stronger (skillshards) and you face a very powerful boss each time. Plus you are facing toons that all equipped with extra skills (freeze talismans and so on) that you don't have to deal with in the campaign.

I really would like to see some sort of compensation for the Defense as this is out of the player's control.

I think the ranking system is fine. I would however wish that a defensive win would award Iron Coins. Now it seems that if the attacker loose, the defense get no Iron Coins and the attacker gets 1.

The Prisoners passive bothers me a little bit. I think it would be more balanced if it cancelled the passive of one random enemy. Or that it cancels all passives for both teams.

i think that the gunner rescuer should be banned! AOE attack+heal+titan shield+resurrects?!
once she gets going, she's pretty much unkillable. got into an endless battle with her yesterday, where i had just a sentinel golden son left...had to take te draw -14 before she would resurrect the whole team again :/

Anyone else with a VPN can't get in anymore?

Guess I have to wait until it's completely open ...

So please be gently - I can't defend myself right now :)

Update: How weird ... I'm in again ... can't figure out why or what triggers it - same VPN

I agree about gunner rescuer, it is impossible to kill.

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Originally Posted by R1ck

I agree about gunner rescuer, it is impossible to kill.

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Hmmm I uses Gunner Rescuer but only win 1 out of 20 defense matches...

I had to draw the opportunity I found one. Since then I never will challenge one, at least until I get a good character to block her skills. She must not be banned but is a dammed good toon.

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Originally Posted by R1ck

I agree about gunner rescuer, it is impossible to kill.

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R1ck :)

Not true, my friend... She's tough, but not impossible to defeat... Already I've played couple fights with the opposite teams of peps having this girl... And EVERYTIME I have won... In case of asking: no, not always have attacked first... Some time yes, some other time defending myself... This WHAT MATTERS is your OWN team - what you have, and how to plan the battle out, to have it turned on your favour...

Keep focus on these things you DO HAVE impact and can change... Make your team strongest as possible (skillshards!), not forgetting about defence though...

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Originally Posted by Kaijester

Hmmm I uses Gunner Rescuer but only win 1 out of 20 defense matches...

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Kai :)

Thanks for testing my defence team although I've picked a decent one (in my opinion) my defence got broken by you and some else ELITE players... I take this lesson with humble, I see there's a lot of work ahead for me ;)

Cheers,

W

P.S. I've noticed today that somewhat wrong display of buttons - not matching the character... CR Eddie had couple of times Troll ones...

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

the troll is really rare - everyone seems to have one. except me
the prisoner is super uber rare - yet everyone seems to have him. except me

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I hear ya there! Though the troll annoys me more than prisoner on a regular basis

On the prisoner & corrupt rescuer, both are greatly improved in quality by the introduction of PvP - But I do not think they are that hard to beat. Each needs to be taken down quickly, but otherwise neither does huge damage at least. Blue bat I find much tougher.

I have to say, the tweaks really make so much more sense now. The great toons are still great, but there is so much more flexibility now. Ive been beaten by so many different team makeups. I now feel like I want to go out and grind for new chars to tweak the setup further! As for the CG, I worry about him every time I play him. I fear nothing more than freeze/paralysis! Hence the talismans now carry so much more weight.

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Originally Posted by Esquatcho

I hear ya there! Though the troll annoys me more than prisoner on a regular basis

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Welcome Witkacy~*

Gringo, I also don't have warrior troll...

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

the troll is really rare - everyone seems to have one. except me
the prisoner is super uber rare - yet everyone seems to have him. except me

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Don't worry you are not alone - I don't have a red troll or prisoner either :(

Under the defense tab, when it shows defense held means the defense team won, right?

So why do I lose 5 rank points for every defense held???

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Originally Posted by Kaijester

Hmmm I uses Gunner Rescuer but only win 1 out of 20 defense matches...

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I just improved your scores :cool:

You had the first turn, I somehow turned it around and left you with just the rescuer....and still lost. This mofo resurrected your whole team :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Aristo4

I just improved your scores :cool:

You had the first turn, I somehow turned it around and left you with just the rescuer....and still lost. This mofo resurrected your whole team :rolleyes:

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Thanks...but the game is bugged and I just lost 10 points for two defense won.

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Originally Posted by Kaijester

Thanks...but the game is bugged and I just lost 10 points for two defense won.

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i saw that too, i think it's an issue when the ranks/trophies are very different. so when a total newbie attacks a top 10 player he will
get 5 points and you will loose 5 even if you win, but that's only my theory.

but i think that it absolutly makes no senst to loose points especialy if you are winning with your defence. i would change it in that way, that you can only gain trophies, and not lose them again. at least it would be nice if the amount of lost trophies would be drasticly cutted down by 50-75%.

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Originally Posted by R1ck

I agree about gunner rescuer, it is impossible to kill.

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I've beaten the Rescuer AND there was a Prisoner in the team as well (Kaijester <- Tough defense by the way ... took me a couple of round to grind your team down) ;)

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Originally Posted by Esquatcho

On the prisoner & corrupt rescuer, both are greatly improved in quality by the introduction of PvP - But I do not think they are that hard to beat. Each needs to be taken down quickly, but otherwise neither does huge damage at least. Blue bat I find much tougher.

I have to say, the tweaks really make so much more sense now. The great toons are still great, but there is so much more flexibility now. Ive been beaten by so many different team makeups. I now feel like I want to go out and grind for new chars to tweak the setup further! As for the CG, I worry about him every time I play him. I fear nothing more than freeze/paralysis! Hence the talismans now carry so much more weight.

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Agree with all of this. CG damage nerf is irrelevant cause the freeze/stun is the real game changer. And I was one of the ones complaining about it! Lesson learned :p I'm finding now I want to develop different characters based on what I've seen they can do; half the time one or two of the tunes I'm using have no skillshards cause I didn't see their utility before this.

While grinding is a chore cause PvP is so much more fun right now (hopefully they even out with new content very soon) I need to use those Troopers for skillshards!

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Originally Posted by Kaijester

Under the defense tab, when it shows defense held means the defense team won, right?

So why do I lose 5 rank points for every defense held???

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Kai :)

I might be wrong - but I think that's because your team WAS ATTACKING ONE...

I've noticed one thing - not too frequent I have to say - because I've lost my games only 3-4 times while playing myself so far...

When I was attacked first by the opposite team (and lost) - the opposite team got ''-'' points and I've got ''+'' points despite the fact I've just lost the battle

When I was attacked first by the opposite team (and won) - the opposite team got ''-'' points (more) and I've got ''+'' points (more)

I am curious if anybody could confirm this?

Cheers,

W

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Agree with all of this. CG damage nerf is irrelevant cause the freeze/stun is the real game changer. And I was one of the ones complaining about it! Lesson learned :p I'm finding now I want to develop different characters based on what I've seen they can do; half the time one or two of the tunes I'm using have no skillshards cause I didn't see their utility before this.

While grinding is a chore cause PvP is so much more fun right now (hopefully they even out with new content very soon) I need to use those Troopers for skillshards!

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I'm not in PVP yet, but this is what I'm excited about. My current team (CR Eddie, AoF, AGS) trounces all the best farming levels, so there's little use to play around with other characters. Now I'll be forced to check out other toons (& test the limits of my current team). I suppose there's not much reason for it with PVP launching, but this makes me think they should have a somewhat-random campaign level where you can fight different configurations of high powered enemies.

Also, I've started thinking about my defense team already, which has been fun. Glad I'd already leveled up & outfitted my Gunner Rescuer, even though she doesn't much help my team in the campaign. She'll be ready to go when I get PVP.

Those are great characters and you'll use them in PvP too. I use CR and AoF with fair regularity. Just start working on that Hellhound...

I am enjoying the Arena so far. A nice change from "Game of Death" over and over! Attachment 2253

I notice though that it always seems to be the same 10 or so names? (I see a few of them in this thread)

The point thing seems kinda crazy too with "Revenge" losses costing you 2+ "Attacks" wins.

Lag is a serious killer in the Arena.

This back and forth has to be limited. It's been said before but it's been the most consistent theme in this Beta thread - well, that and the fact that we're all enjoying PvP!

Slauki has my defense figured out. I have his figured out. Back and forth - back and forth - neither of us losing - the only thing we're losing is our sanity:p

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Originally Posted by Nicko

This back and forth has to be limited. It's been said before but it's been the most consistent theme in this Beta thread - well, that and the fact that we're all enjoying PvP!

Slauki has my defense figured out. I have his figured out. Back and forth - back and forth - neither of us losing - the only thing we're losing is our sanity:p

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And progress

My first impressions.

looks like you have to spend allot of iron to be competitive.

You have to spend allot of time playing if you want to be in the top.

Haven't got a permadeath to land.

the defense point allocation seems a bit off.

I does feel as if you have to have certain characters to be competitive, its not that one is better it that if its paired with the right support its almost impossible to beat.

First turn defeats suck, even when using maxed characters. Who goes first still matters, but I think they have done a great job minimizing the impact.

Still not positive how exactly the ranking system works.

You need allot of maxed talismans to be competitive.

CG, Troll, Pharaoh Eddie, GR/CR eddies, and the dam prisoner are part of allot of the most effective teams.

Seen a few bugs.

Refresh timer doesn't always work, time for tokens is long especially when you have to defend so much.

PVP is fun as hell and I like the direction they went with it, it just needs some tweaks. In general I really like it.

PS. I will get maxes talismans on my defense team in the next few days. So it wont be so easy to thrash it, hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Nicko

This back and forth has to be limited. It's been said before but it's been the most consistent theme in this Beta thread - well, that and the fact that we're all enjoying PvP!

Slauki has my defense figured out. I have his figured out. Back and forth - back and forth - neither of us losing - the only thing we're losing is our sanity:p

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the problem is that noone of us is winning something. in fact we loose a lot of SOW for nothing, that's a real problem in this ranking system we wont get beyond 1700 trophies if we continue that way, and that is the real big problem ;) we steal rewards from each other.


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BTW: one suggestion. let's implement some additional SOW in the daily rewards instead of the gold. come on guys 2k gold is an insult for everyone here, even for beginners. the best gold reward is 12k i belive, which is also really bad :P

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another suggestion: please remove the claim rewards button and credit the weekly rewards automaticly. so noone will miss rewards by accident. noone will say no to free rewards, no need to claim that i think.

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Originally Posted by slauki

the problem is that noone of us is winning something. in fact we loose a lot of SOW for nothing, that's a real problem in this ranking system we wont get beyond 1700 trophies if we continue that way, and that is the real big problem ;) we steal rewards from each other.


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BTW: one suggestion. let's implement some additional SOW in the daily rewards instead of the gold. come on guys 2k gold is an insult for everyone here, even for beginners. the best gold reward is 12k i belive, which is also really bad :P

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another suggestion: please remove the claim rewards button and credit the weekly rewards automaticly. so noone will miss rewards by accident. noone will say no to free rewards, no need to claim that i think.

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Probably could do away with the "Revenge" feature all together. Or perhaps only once per day?

Need more ironite for Arena wins! Doesn't take long to burn up those SoW.

How about if you win all ten battles the SoW refills?

help menu mentioned we can get eternity eddie from the pvp points .. still missing him from the shop.

A full SoW refill at daily rewards/lol reset time would be really good.

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

help menu mentioned we can get eternity eddie from the pvp points .. still missing him from the shop.

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I'd imagine they're saving prizes like exclusive Eddies until everyone has access to PVP. That would be the fair thing to do.

Just a note to everyone talking about the ranking system - I cannot find the post for the life of me, but they have outlined some guidelines of how it will actually work in the future.

Anyone have a link? But it definitely will be different to the beta phase.

Iirc, there will be groupings such that you cant challenge people much better or worse than you and that you wont be restarted to 1000 points each week etc.

A few random thoughts:

The subject of Troopers in the arena has been discussed, and while opinions were mixed the consensus seemed to be "no" - make this about our own teams.

While I agree, it would be nice if there was a PASSIVE slot for Troopers in the arena. He couldn't play, but you could plug him in - kind of like the Eddie slots in the campaign - and get Trooper points. Because this has really become two separate games, and it's asking a ton to use all Troopers every day but still stay competitive in the arena.

On the arena note, I think sometimes my ranking is better when I don't go on offense and just retaliate against attackers. Attacking is like poking a hornets nest - they all come out and after you! And I'm sure the last thing the developers want is a disincentive to go on offense. They may need to play with the points some more

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Originally Posted by maxdeviations

help menu mentioned we can get eternity eddie from the pvp points .. still missing him from the shop.

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"In the future, Iron Coins wil also let you buy fragments of Eternity Shards, which will reward characters not available anywhere else, including the mythical Eternity Eddie."

That's now a couple of days that I played in arena and it's pretty fun, I like it! Good job on it Devs (despite that it is not real pvp).
But it is very Time-consuming because you spend time for honored your troopers and time for arena and I you dream to reach the top, you must play, refill and play again and again to save your rank.

The clue of winning of arena, I mean is to use characters with freeze, stunt and extra turn and mix them with another skills. And yes first turn and a bit chance is determining, especially with GRE and his "Slash" attack that sometimes ruins all my toons in one turn!!!

In arena, you can work with all the potential of your toons, SOLE is very impressive with his healing and Buff/Debuff way, combine with assasin GS and his immortality skill, it's hard to beat this combo.

The challenge of this mode is to search the right balance of attack and defense and it will make for LOTB a new dimension of gameplay.

Greetings everyone,

PVP is so much fun! It forces you to think about team building strategy in deeper way. I have challenged with most of the forumers here (including dev Sparton), if you see "osiris" on your defence tab, it is me as you can relate most of you guys. I can tell toughest one was Flying-V's defensive team. I guess i lose 5-6 times in a row until i find a workaround, in the end at least i managed to win a round :cool: So many team synergies and strategies here, and i can tell the forumers have the best set-ups.

Teams with Red Troll and Prisoner is very tough to beat, especially if you don't get the first turn it can be devastating. But in any case there is many different workarounds. It is much better to build the attacker team based on how to counter enemy team's buff & debuff and class advantage, etc.. Quite challenging in fun way!

With my poor ironite resources, i made my way to top 4 in couple hours. I have played until i got enough iron points to get a weekly Skillshard from the store. I don't know what is my rank now since everyone is getting points from eachother :cool:

It is also relief for me to see that our long period of hard grinding efforts paying back here!

Another good thing to implement would be to see the replays of our defence. There is no way to know how to improve the defence if we cant see how the battles are going. How do i know if i need a healer, damage reducer, o damage dealer if we cant see the replays? I think this is a must have for pvp.

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Another good thing to implement would be to see the replays of our defence. There is no way to know how to improve the defence if we cant see how the battles are going. How do i know if i need a healer, damage reducer, o damage dealer if we cant see the replays? I think this is a must have for pvp.

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Great idea!!!

a set of freeze talismans on GR eddie is way too powerful. The chance of freezing an enemy is so high, coupled with the past basic move that has a chance for an extra turn, you're almost guaranteed to freeze at least two enemies. A very high chance of freezing all! I think this needs to be fixed urgently.

Also not sure of how revenge is supposed to work. It creates a never-ending cycle of winning/losing iron coins making it boring for both players. It definitely needs improving.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

a set of freeze talismans on GR eddie is way too powerful. The chance of freezing an enemy is so high, coupled with the past basic move that has a chance for an extra turn, you're almost guaranteed to freeze at least two enemies. A very high chance of freezing all! I think this needs to be fixed urgently.

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Yep, what you said, and more other characters seem 'broken' too.
For example a CG stunned all of my 4 guys 3 turns in a row once...same with sparton's SSD which taunted me 2 turns in row.

This means instadeath, no button to press =death :cool:.

kind of love how once pvp starts people are praying for the nerf bat. Maybe we owe the devs an apology for all the complaining about nerfs? (not the complaining about bugs, though. That's righteous anger.)