Week 8 of PvP - Statistics and Discussion

Jofer dont get all offended that people are criticizng the system. You obviously would still win every week no matter what.

The problem is that what youre saying would be unfair for you at the top is exactly whats happening to people lower in the top 50-100. We are all getting dragged down by getting attacked by lower ranks. Then you see people in the top 15-25 with worse stats than you cause the devs insist on this system where you are playing against "teams with similar characters of similar levels" or whatever the hell they said/meant.

The top guys are just getting further and further from the pack by maxing toons in a week that take the rest of us months. But there are also some lucky non top guys who get to jump ahead cause of less attacks.

Its all very discouraging for the rest of us. We... Are... The 99% (haha)

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

If you think it's easy on top then do it.

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Don't play fool on me, too old :cool: I'm not that eager, read my intro post. You rock, no argument there, I'm not aiming that high, I'm not cool enough. Enjoy the game, help it get fixed if u can, if not, don't.

Jofer & Niko have VERY good defense, that's why they are on top. I'm sure they get as many attacks as most of us but with good defense % they would get higher ranks. People shouldn't hate but the luck they have with not getting the necessary characters to be on top of the ranks. I don't hold any grudge against the top guys but I hate the luck I got in the game. I have played since the start of this game religiously every day 5-6 hrs and even more and never got what I wished for, I call this bad luck that's all!
Basically my point here is that we can't attack each other on the forum, leave it for the F***ed up PVP :p
Peace!

Some of my thoughts on the subject of attacks vs. defenses. I believe Sparton had stated that the more active you are on offense, the more you'll show up on the lists. So, the more you play, the more you get hit. Other factors to consider is, how many of the defenses are the same person hitting you trying to clear a list? How many are revenges? There is a lot more than just the number of attacks vs. defends to consider. Style of play makes a lot of difference. It's all based on an algorithm and you just have to figure out what makes the algorithm happy. Raw numbers are ok, but without the factors behind them they don't show the whole picture.

Part of what drives my lower number of attacks is my crummy defense, most people only have to attack it once to defeat it. I can generally clear my lists pretty easy, although once in a while I have the RNG doing a serious number on me. Rank plays a big part too, the higher your rank to a point, the bigger a target you become.

My rank isn't what some of you are trying to achieve, but I think without an extremely good defense your rank is a very steep climb in the top 100. A defensive hold rate in the 15-20% range will probably only drive attacks up, due to repeated attacks by the same people. Personally, the rank doesn't mean much to me since my team is definitely not top 10 material and rare souls only seem to bring me harpies.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on it. My playing style is primarily clearing lists, no matter the names on it (Sorry Tritium).

I agree that it's a screwy point system, but it's what we have to play right now. So, the best bet is to learn how to make it work for you. I can't imagine it'll be better with the new nerfs coming up. Would far rather have seen an upgrade to AI than that. But, that's what the devs have decided, so that's what we're stuck with.

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Originally Posted by Askora

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on it. My playing style is primarily clearing lists, no matter the names on it (Sorry Tritium).

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We can't be friends anymore. :(

Haha, just playing. If you need help building a defense team, feel free to pm me and I'll do my best to help ya out!

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Originally Posted by Jofer16

If you think it's easy on top then do it.

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I support you here! beeing on top is really hard, you grind hard and gain 120 points in quite a time and 1 or 2 loses and you lose 40 points in 1 minute or less. That is way frustrating. Every defense has a counter and with a high % win.

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Originally Posted by Ian

Out of interest, what toons do you have? I don't have Prisoner, Allied General, Corrupt General, Angel of Strife, or many of the premium Eddies, yet I still managed a 96% win rate this week (and no I don't use Mummy either). Arena will always involve a little luck, but as long as you select the right talismans and pick a sensible team that works together, it is possible to get decent results even without natural 5* characters.

Defense is a lottery, and points system badly designed, but on attack you can get good results if you just do the best with what you've got.

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Sorry for my late reply, i read your post but i was a bit busy with work this days and had no spare time to answer.
Almost all my defeats happen when i loose the toss and for 2 rounds i am taunted, stunned and frozen so there's nothing i can do.
I am aware of ways to counter those but i lack the necessary tools and toons to do it.
Add a few "bad luck" defeats that got me mad(f.e. this week i had a GRE attack me 8 times in a row, Horrow-extra turn-Slash proc 3 times-extra turn from AoF-Horrow-extra turn-Slash proc 3 times and a CG both stun and freeze all my team at once).
I'll gather a few shards and wait for the tuning update, then i will give PvP a shot again, until then i will spend all my SoW daily but i will be testing toons.

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Originally Posted by DaveMurray

Sorry for my late reply, i read your post but i was a bit busy with work this days and had no spare time to answer.
Almost all my defeats happen when i loose the toss and for 2 rounds i am taunted, stunned and frozen so there's nothing i can do.
I am aware of ways to counter those but i lack the necessary tools and toons to do it.
Add a few "bad luck" defeats that got me mad(f.e. this week i had a GRE attack me 8 times in a row, Horrow-extra turn-Slash proc 3 times-extra turn from AoF-Horrow-extra turn-Slash proc 3 times and a CG both stun and freeze all my team at once).
I'll gather a few shards and wait for the tuning update, then i will give PvP a shot again, until then i will spend all my SoW daily but i will be testing toons.

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Hey no problem.

If you don't have something to provide immunity, then going against taunt-freeze-stun teams is going to end badly. Run through your list without attacking and if it's full of that sort of team, refresh - that often gets a slightly lower ranked list of teams, then do your battles first against teams you feel confident against, not just in the order they appear. If you wait to hit the harder teams on your list, by the time you face them, you should then have some win streak buffs which will help a lot.

Keep cherry picking battles to get iron coins and go for skill shards, with anything extra towards the legendary soul. Only buy rare souls if you have a big surplus of iron coins.

I keep seeing the congrats banner pop up in PvP and it's says Jofer, Nicko and FallenAngel but when I look at last weeks ranker it shows "alex" in the 3rd spot and FallenAngel in 4th... is my PvP ranker wrong or is Alex not seeing the love? Just wondering if I'm the only one who noticed or if it was already addressed.

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Originally Posted by mjmxiii

I keep seeing the congrats banner pop up in PvP and it's says Jofer, Nicko and FallenAngel but when I look at last weeks ranker it shows "alex" in the 3rd spot and FallenAngel in 4th... is my PvP ranker wrong or is Alex not seeing the love? Just wondering if I'm the only one who noticed or if it was already addressed.

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Mine's right,shows Alex. Ur probably just a little behind...like ur Kings! Lol! mjmxiii=true fan!!!