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To be more fair, it would be better if rewards works like a statement: If I reach 1500 points to be "Duelist III", for exemple, I would keep this level even if I later lose. Otherwise it is easy to lose any progress on the last day when you are not available to play.
@killhouse - dude sorry for going off on a crazy revenge cycle with you last week. and i cant help but feel a bit amused at how bad your luck was with the rewards. (PS - i feel the pain)
dont worry i recently had worse luck than you.
" i opened 45 green souls 43 rare souls and 16 christmas souls and 2 legend souls.
i got 1 5* character - magus dog king, completely useless not to mention my 2nd one. never used the first one either.
rest all dupes. or useless christmas dogs. i ended up selling 90 of them. let me say that again .. 90 sold and out of over a 100 souls i get 1 5* dog. absolutely horrible.
i thoguht i d get the red troll at least cause he is a 4* ... but no.
sometimes i think your system knows what characters the player wants and never gives it to them. it just seems rigged."
that was me a couple weeks ago - you can laugh now. and i will keep posting this for all to see the kind of scam RNG this company is running.
i am almost done with this game just doing good by my troopers and finishing the SOW. totally not interested in going to the top of the leaderboards.
feel free to attack me. i will only revenge if you have more points than me (hehe .. and if i have time .. and if i feel like putting in the effort)
- max
First time I come here to talk to you.
I totally agree with Max, this system of drops is a bit strange and in my opinion the numbers and chances of getting each character should be revealed to us.
Now speaking of PvP, I have some considerations to make and I have already realized that it is not just me who think about it:
1 - The rematch system urgently needs changes, the endless cycle of attacks makes the game annoying and boring;
2 - In this second week that I am participating I realize that we have new people to attack, but in general they are always the same ones that I attacked at least 2x;
3 - In the revenge system the loss and points gain has to be redone, it is not working that way and it is practically impossible to earn points without spending a lot of ironite.
I will be in touch and collaborate with more information as I go about noticing it over time. I hope to have collaborated with the community and good game at all.
I started to intentionally loose revenges (even with first turn) vs the same old same old who abuse the flawed revenge system....in hope that they cant re-revenge me 100 times, and hopefully I don't appear on their list as well.
I also don't buy that every list refresh gives the same names SO often.
it could be that only 50 people play this gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Aristo4
This is a real problem, and I agree, it happens all the time. The fun of the Arena, for me, is adapting my team to face new challengers... facing the same opponents over and over is the surest and quickest possible way to drive players away, in my humble opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristo4
It's not impossible (though it seems unlikely) that this is the case. lol One wonders. :cool: I suspect though that it's merely yet another fun way the RNG in this game plays with us...Quote:
Originally Posted by maxdeviations
There's 100 people in the top 100, some names pop up every refresh. Some players I haven't seen at all. I'm starting to feel bad about hitting the same people over and over. Has a timer for hitting the same opponent been suggested. Maybe a 24hr cool down period before you can attack the same player.
I apologize in advance for anyone I battle too often. It's hard to remember when the same names keep popping up.
Ditto -it's not personal it's just war in beta modeQuote:
Originally Posted by MrFreeze
Can I apologize again too? Sadly certain names keep appearing each refresh either via ironite, timed, or by clearing the list. Sorry guys.
Max, I swear that I'm afraid to attack you now... after the hours spent revenging last week, you are one determined individual. Sag and I have a good one going right now...
As annoying as it can be, Revenge has actually been one of the more interactive parts of the game getting to know your fellow troopers and forum posters.
I like the idea that you can't attack the same player within a timed window. Or maybe something about the refresh that it populates 10 new names. Maybe this is just because it's the Beta and restricted.
PizzaFriday hit 5k, Congrats! I think it's down to Nicko to catch him if anyone can.
Sorry guys most of you guys enjoy it a lot but I simply don't. It seens like you have to win two times the same person to keep your points, with a huge risk to lose more than you earned, because the revenge will count your current points and not the points you had when you attacked, so the difference could be very big, so you can lose more points than you earned from that person.
Some can say your defense team is garbage change it etc etc etc but no one is unbeatable, even Nicko, PizzaFriday and Killhouse, the times I attacked them and had the first round it was a piece of cake, and when I didn't I was facerolled. So haveing a good/bad defense is situational and very luck dependant.
That's why I don't like the penalties for losing when attacked or revenged, it's way too dependant on luck rather than skill or team composition/talismans/skills.
I myself will spend no ironite to keep up in this system I know I cannot win.
Sag will go back and forth forever;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Killhouse
And I am not taking on Pizza Friday - too lazy! Was hoping to enjoy watching some college football tomorrow along with another Killhouse come-from-behind surge!
My defense the last two weeks has held about 28% of attackers. I think it makes sense - I'm sure I always lose when my defense goes second, and take just over half of the matches when it goes first. Just can't expect AI to outperform a human, and CG often doesn't get a good hitQuote:
Originally Posted by Frost
There are some very active forum members my defense repeatedly holds against, and others it has never beaten.
Anyone's defense holding a lot higher?
The defense will be better if the rates go up, like 40% holding if well programed. But I don't know how that can be w/o nerfing things or making the PvP an "AI x AI" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Some defenses I really had trouble are composed of a Mummy Eddie with Health or a combo of Paralize/Freeze or a GR Eddie with Freeze, a CG with Para/Freeze, Troll with Void or Warrior Bomber Boy with Blind/Void and Prisoner. If you start you have a chance of winning, if no you will lose no matter what you do.
But the big difference I see is perfect hits. AI almost never hit with perfect hits, wich trigger a lot of defensive stuff like Paralize/Freeze/Blind/Vanish. You can put a Gunner Marauder or Purple Soldier but they suck in a lot of compositions and take the place of someone more powerfull in defense.
Also we can have some improvements in AI. Like Sentinel Soulless demon ins a taunter, instead of taunting he uses his self buff that is useless (I can explain why in another thread) consuming the power a Purple Golden Son or Gunner Rescuer can use to revive or prevent death.
I saw 33% held on my defence for couple days at mine, i am currently working on it to make it better :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
I think defence must be more rewarded than attack when it is holded, because it is not easy to keep solid defence with this AI.
Mine started strong - has been as high as 56%, and in its longest streak held four people in a row - but by the end of the week seems to drift down near the 28% markQuote:
Originally Posted by osiris0000
My defense hovers around 20%, in theory it seems like a good team but I share the feelings that it is more luck than anything else. First turn, perfect hits, talismans going off, AI "strategy" all turn it into a flip of a coin. I can't even remember but I think my team is:
Carriage Rider Eddie
Warrior Bat
Warrior Troll
Sentinel Undead Rescuer
I spent time before trying to improve but the limited AI and reliance on luck makes it difficult to build a solid wall. Also it can be tough to balance talismans between an attack team, defense team, and PVE team.
For me there are combinations that have a lot of luck on their side and if I don't go first there isn't much to do but watch the AI stomp me...
GR Eddie chaining attacks on the first move
Having 3/4 characters stunned or frozen after the first round
Oh and don't expect any last minute pushes this time, rewards are just not worth it when you see the characters the RNG gives out. Maybe once they add the Eternal souls/Eddie but I assume that will not be until the Beta period is over.
Plus I'm 1,000 + Points back, and still hurting from the ironite push last week. That would be 100 wins without factoring in Revenges (looking at you Sag) or losses and that would just be to catch PizzaFriday now. Who knows how high he would be by then! I'm content to sit in the Rank 2-5 range and hoping to not have to grind tomorrow!
PVP is burning me out.
Dang - there goes my Saturday entertainment! Maybe you'll have a change of heart;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Killhouse
I keep trying new combos on defense and it seems with every tweak I get a short-lived bump and then reverts to the norm.
I will say Viking Eddie is outstanding against Grim Reaper. But if there is a Prisoner and a taunt/feeeze/stunner? Then all luck of the draw...
Burnout is why I don't chase gunners like you and Pizza Friday. The extra Skillshard is nice, but playing for fun instead of stressing over being number one is nicer. If they tiered the rewards at the top a little more I think things may be a bit more competitive.
While sleeping dropped from 1400 to 1100 points, in new year's day!!! :(
I've been fooling around with the Perfect Hit passive on my Assassin Pyro Soldier when putting him on defense
Useless
My CG is much better manually than with Perfect Hit when I test my defense. Theoretically there should be no difference. This isn't the case - I don't think it's working properly - it's not triggering Talismans like a manually done perfect hit. And didn't have a prisoner on the opposing team
Hey Nicko, I tested this same scenario with yellow marauder and the CG apparently manages to trigger freeze more easily. Other characters with freezing and stun seem to trigger more easily as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Maybe it's a problem with the pyro soldier.
One thing I noticed in some tests is that Visions Eddie's Equilibrium skill does not work properly to remove the debuffs in the second round that it's active
regardless of whether or not has a Prisioner on the other team.
Could be. Cause triggers like crazy manually; pretty awful with Pyro's Perfect HitQuote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
fell free to attack me guys .. i will not revenge anyone .. 2017 is gonna be a peacefull year for me :D
i m now just playing for iron coins .. and since i was drinking all day and night yesterday i did nt play a lot of arena i have dropped to rank 40.
seriously the arena had "41" notifications this afternoon when i woke up. so i got hit 41 times .. lol
I pushed hard and spent 150 ironite to get to rank 10. I got the notification that I won 2 G/A rare souls, 150 ignite, and a skill shard. I accepted the prize and then -nothing. Not in my inventory. Restarted, still nothing. I didn't mind investing the ironite because I'd have net zero on that and still get the other stuff, but this is very upsetting.
Devs, can you please explore? Can I get my stuff?
Try to restart the app Bill, it works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
I tried several times, even powered my phone off and back on -nada. I do remember some including Slauki had the issue of not getting their ironite the first week of PVP, but I had no issue with prizes until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
BTW: Nice last minute run to crack the top 10!
I won't be pushing as hard on PVP this week. Yeah, partially because of not actually getting the prizes after spending ironite, but mostly because its too time-consuming with all the defensive losses. I can't commit this much time to the game each week.
Enjoy PVP, hope the tweaks bring it to where it could/should be.
Happy New Year, all!
From what I figure so far, if you have Troll (Warrior), The Prisoner and a character with AoE immunity on the 1st turn, you can basically counter any defense. Now it's just a matter of getting the missing chars.
Nope - my first loss of the morning just occurred to you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schadenfreud-0217
You of course went first. Your Angel of Fear crushed my Grim Reaper first round (after the others had weakened him), my Corrupt General had a poor freeze stun, and it was all downhill from there ;)
Prisoners definitely help cause there are so many Trolls, and his stun has gotten me out of a couple tight situations
Im finding a big challenge right now is what to do with skillshards. Certain characters are proving pretty useful, but as this is "beta" who knows what the nerf bat holds. I just won a couple and am sitting on them - Hellhound (even though Prisoners have been popping up left and right) - Angels? (I see a mighty nerf bat coming) - Sentinel Souless Demon? The Grim Reaper Skillshard pit?
Funny how a number of the characters I had previously sharded I barely even touch anymore...
Bill - I think the issue was not being able to buy a Skillshard in the store - the weakly limit wasn't reset. Issue was rectified in a day or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
I know both weeks I force-closed the app, reopened it, and was able to collect my rewards
You and me both. I've had a couple vacation weeks - once work starts back up it will be hard to stay competitive!Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLion
Pvp is encouraging. If they can get this dialed in, sacrifice, and bnw(which I'm guessing will solve the talisman rune issue) going before too many people give up, things could be looking up for nodding frog. Sorry for the positivity. Happy '017.
Happy New Year from Zagreb to you all out there!
I'm not to eager to explain it now, but I will one day... when lighter on beeres, better on time. I feel, not playing arena just yet, the arena should have modifiers... old idea was, 1st turn both sides get invincibility.. new idea is, give +20k of non skill affecting hp on all creatures.
Just got a Marauder and retested - you're right - works much betterQuote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Pyro Soldier seems to have an issue with his Perfect Hit Passive
Glad to share some info with you guys :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
First of all, I have to say bravo Nicko. That team of yours has swept me away each and every time you've gotten first turn. The perfect hit passive combined with the thief and freeze talis is overkill.
This time however, I gotta say I had the most incredible luck on my side.
First turn: you clear out all but my SSD. I thought, this guy is gonna cream me before I even get a turn isn't he.
I didn't give up though, I kept going and luckily enough my invisibility set proc'd every single turn for around ten rounds! I honestly couldn't believe my eyes!
I think it's got to be one of the greatest turnarounds I'll ever make in PvP and those 15 points gained were so sweet to say the least. Props to you again, Nicko for having a great defense.
yeah it's really good but golden son in combination with the proc talis is damn broken. the son seem to take every of his approx. 12-16 hits to trigger the talisman effect. no chance to couter that in combination with the prisoner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
so there is still hope for the rest of us, even if it will take long till they fix the whole talisman/character issues:P
Those are the best! When you think you're done and then you somehow pull it off...I had the same thing one time when my Prisoner was the only character left and was facing a SSD with a lot more health - my Prisoner stunned him - and then did it two more times after for the win!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Glad my team entertained you and thanks for the props! Experimenting with a defense a little different than what I've seen...
I don't think that's true - I've tested it and it doesn't always triggerQuote:
Originally Posted by slauki