I pulled 2 completes sets of the new primordial talisman on a vortex fill. Does anyone have any ideas on who to put them on.
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I pulled 2 completes sets of the new primordial talisman on a vortex fill. Does anyone have any ideas on who to put them on.
There's plenty of reference to them in the forums in just the last few days, but Prisoner, Gunner Newborn of light, Navigator Eddie, G-COTD, Desert Golem, G-Golden Son, I don't have Hallowed Eddie,Cyborg but perhaps these too?
You need all slots to be yellow, and Hallowed Eddie has three red slots.
In just two days in the event, almost 60% of opponents in PVP have a gunner with this set and it's overkill as hell. I have 5 of them (yes, one missing) but waiting for sunday to buy trooper and eternal soul fragments for probably another ultimate sacrifice.
Personally, I'm starting to feel bored with PVP: you always need the latest supercharacters (e.g. Liliths or recent Eddies) or overtalismans as these ones.
The primordial talismans really brought out the prisoner character. He’s on every ones defense again
Bored with PVP? For me this is just another added challenge! Yes they can be hard to over come but all the lower teams that somehow made it into the higher ranks on the back of this Talisman set will slowly but surely get knocked down again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgard
Until they build relics they're still potentially weak.
There are a few grey buffs that can make it harder but Sentinel Corrupt Rescuer is fantastic for clearing the red ones and some greys, seeing her stacked with negatives over her makes her very powerful I have been in PVP all morning, whilst in the lower ranks most of the teams taking advantage of the talisman set were relatively easy to clean up with the right team.
When I got up higher it's a different story but I did take care of a few teams that I would not of expected to beat.
At the lower levels around a 80% success rate, at the higher levels 40 - 50% I can't see my team making it to the top 100 like last week but I'll do alright...
Try high health/defence teams with lots of similar relics invested, Sentinel Lilith is a must, Sentinel CR, I use Pharoah Eddie but Visions would be good stealing the golden buffs and cleansing the team a bit, my fourth ally in my attacking team is Assasin CR but there are different combinations that could work, replace the last with Magis Lilith perhaps?
Don't give up keep trying! There are so many possible combinations that could hold the team together till you somehow get a break then whammo one by one they fall. Almost all teams where I failed there was a presence of Sentinel Lilith in their team.
Look at this as a challenge Troopers! I have not got this new set of talisman.. I suggest people add their ideas for team combinations to over throw this talisman set on this thread, even if you are running a set there must still be strategies that can work with varying success.
Good luck Troopers!
I agree that PvP is becoming a pay to win feature of the game. The arena is becoming, who has the new overpowered characters and talisman is the winner. The only way to acquire the talent is spend money to purchase irronite or buy them outright. How many new Eddie's or tunes have been released this year.
Yeah but isn't that the idea? I agree I don't like it but in the end the higher ranks will or have spent the money and put in the time to get there, I'm not prepared to spend a lot of dollars so mediocrity is the result!Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
The introduction of relics was so mind-bogglingly asinine I didn't think the PVP could get any worse, but I clearly underestimated the devs. Since then we have had an update that causes regular crashes, an update that was supposed to fix the crashes but didn't, instead causing the game to regularly freeze, overpowered talismans available only for real cash (destiny), and now the icing on the cake: primordial talismans. These talismans are without question the worst addition to the game in its already checkered history. Even facing a team with one set turns the game into a complete crapshoot; facing a team with four sets makes victory an impossibility for almost all players due to the fact that the grossly overpowered buffs stack and can only be countered by a couple of characters.
Congrats devs, you've truly excelled yourselves! The PVP is now completely beyond redemption.
(I honestly tried my best to resist the urge to post this criticism, but the bile was too strong in me.)
I think these gunner talismans are fitting the game very well. Now we have a slot machine for souls and a lottery for PvP. I let PvP run on auto now 90% of the time - I have 2 sets (well developed - got a 3rd one luring but to lazy to upgrade them) and even on auto I have a decent outcome of winning without getting angry anymore about the shitshow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElvisIsDead
I pledge for a new name: LotF - Legacy of the Flip-a-Coin
I didn't see that many Prisioners with the set, but actually i face a lot of Cyborg Eddie with it, since i have Valkyrie it isn't that hard to take it out in 2 or 3 rounds. But again, you need to have an specific toon to battle an specific problem again, letting down everyone that doesn't have it, and the way of how easy it is to get, everybody will have it before the last days of the event. So be prepared, another thing to deal with PvP.
I also think that if the idea of ''full sets talismans'' contunues, the moment when the Assassin set comes will be problematic, since it may be an overpowered effect and almost every assassin have their 3 specials slot of assassin.
Same thing with Sentinel, but i guess it will be something like a supporting effect rather than overpowered.
What the devs need to do is create another overpowered character that blocks all golden buffs from being applied. Combine the new character with some purchase only talisman for a real money maker. Another great idea would be a relic that negates or reduces the benefits of current relics.
They will likely have this ready to put out just round the corner I would guess - maybe the new Icarus can put out the flare from all of those stacked golden buffs - would not surprise me in the slightest.
I have managed to get 4 full sets,maxed them out and constructed a “fun” 4 gunned team (two sets are enough). one word: DISGUSTING!
My prophecy from about a year ago has come true: The lack of creativity skills and knowledge about the mechanics of their own game, has lead to the day when the No Fantasy team has screwed the game beyond repair. Well done NF!
What now?! nerf a set which people have worked so hard to get?! hmm...
Just a heads up that we will be making some adjustments to this Talisman Set in the next update. They were initially intended to be uber rare and powerful, but due to a bug with the recent sacrifice event it's been pretty easy to get a high number of sets all at once, so we'll be taking their power down a notch.
They will still be good, but they are currently just a bit more powerful than intended, especially with the full team stacking.
-Kaz
Thanks Kaz for stepping in the discussion. I am afraid you need to prepare for some hate in the nexts posts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB
My experience with the new set is quite ok, as I found nice counters against the teams with 1, 2 or 3 sets. Thats why I don't use them on my defense by now. But I did not face a team with 4 sets until now and also no teams from the top25 I guess due to the new point and matchmaking system.
So I guess they will be nerfed to only grant the buff for one round and/or limiting the stacking to 2 gold buffs - which is still ok.
What I really would love to know is: What was the "bug" in the sacrifice event? What was the original plan that went wrong? Would you mind to share? Thanks!
My guess is the sacrifice bug was the way the Talismans were awarded. They probably should have been distributed in an order similar to Yup's suggestion. Meaning you could only get a full set of 6 after several VII sacrifice or a full Vortex. Instead of getting a full set on a VI sacrifice.
Damn I wish I ran into that "bug".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormseye
I got 1 for each of my tier VI sac's, and usually 2 from the vortex fill. I managed two full vortexes and bought the remaining 2 from the shop to get 2 full sets.
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Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB
Great. Thanks for noticing.
so I have 5 sets plus 2 extra, made huge investment in powering them, now my Arena is empty because of my hi stats? no competitors in the 70+% defense win bracket to populate the normally 10 competitors? Over and over I refresh and there are maybe one or three, then nothing at all. Why can I not run my crew against anyone in the arena? https://youtu.be/U8jmsVuMTbAAttachment 4677
I don't think so. I think most players will be happy that they spent a huge amount of gold, skill shards, shards and runes to upgrade toons and talismans just to have to cope with a nerf (still be good) because of a "minor" f*ck*up of the devs (probably not tested the shite again) ... basically it's "our mistake but we still *** you up the ***"Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade
I hope they give you some new lists with inactive players only and the opportunity to play with a team of 5 members so that you can make the most out of your 5 sets ;)
... which not everyone got (damn it!) :) I got only 3Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormseye
GREAT! Now they are going to nerf them. Now I wish I would have saved sac material for next sac event and collected a character.
I got 1 from Vortex fill and 1 from VI, soo my luck was terrible on this. Undeterred though my counter pvp build has no issues with these talismans on attack side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
It is what it is I suppose. If everyone bitches loud enough they can get anything they want (-_-) zzz
WHAT?! care to share? what an unprofessional and lame excuse for yet another F up....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB
I'm not against the nerf - hell yeah they are overpowered in that combinations and even I say that as a lucky owner of 3 sets. What pisses me off is the attitude those constant snafus are handled. They f*ck it up and don't show any respect that people made an effort ... all they are saying is: Oh yeah, sorry, we nerf them a bit ... our fault *giggle*Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarthir
Bring your car to the garage for a service to NF. You come back and the NF-mechanics tell you:
"We had to change the brakes but realized we used a faulty set!"
"Did you change them again?"
"Of course not! But we throttled the engine to compensate for it - we don't charge you extra and the car is still good"
...
I think clearly from inception NF failed to consider standard talisman issues if buffs are granted.
Any other talisman which grants something to allies does so ONCE.. even if you have that same talisman set on multiple allies. I'm not aware of any other talisman set which continually grants buff, after buff, after buff, after buff to allies and stacks them each and every time -- no, they may grant a buff each round, but they only grant 1 at a time. Clearly the Primordial talismans were broken from the start because they failed to take this standard behavior into account.
I'd say it's not so much a "F up" as it is just lack of attention to detail, again. Basic Q&A testing would have shown the possibility of having Ghost, Sovereign, Perfect Immunity, Perfect Immortality, Ascension, Shroud, and Crit Strike all on one toon at at any given time - or even the entire team at one time. Let alone any yellow buffs other characters can grant to allies (are there other yellow buffs?)
Also don't get the "hit this toon and you get Sleep cast on yourself". That makes no sense. There are no shields up.
I had this happen a few times and was wondering where it comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yup
The moral here isn't that they felt the talismans were overpowered. They knew they were powerful. The problem as he puts it is that only certain people were supposed to get them. More people got this than they intended and THAT is why they are changing it. They were meant to be powerful, just not many people were supposed to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB
This is why people on the boards keep begging you guys to focus on fixing the bugs! Everything in this game is related. When you release something people make team adjustments and spend resources they have been saving to make the most of whatever just came out. You go change it and people feel their resource spend was a waste. It is just a game, but when you can’t produce a product that follows your own rules it really aggravates people who are trying to enjoy your product.
Oddly for the first time in a while I have really been enjoying PVP. Because of this talisman set I am running a whole new PVP team (with only 1 set of these talismans btw). Normally I hate PVP, but the past few days it’s been different and fun for me. I have 1 set I completed the advertised requirements to get. I’ve won, I’ve lost since I equipped it. PVP is faster again. Win or lose it doesn’t feel like forever this week. The point is that I followed your rules, got the promised result and have been enjoying it. Now I’m disappointed because you screwed up, again and who knows what you are going to do to make a waste of the effort I put into the set I am using. Just get things right the first time and people will stop being frustrated.
And why wait almost 4 days to decide you messed up?
You have a product that is close to being great. You have a huge devoted fan base to pull from. People have been willing to play the same content over and over for 2 years in many cases-that should tell you something. The only thing stopping you is the buggy product you are releasing.
Agreed, the talisman sets themselves are very fun to use, I only need one set though, it makes sense if everyone is only supposed to get one set because that's all you should respectfully have. But due to some lame bug, everyone has a dozen sets of them when they really shouldn't, and now everyone has to pay for it (no pun intended).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim28213
Does anyone understand how the buffs and debuffs get applied? When facing other teams with the talismans sometimes some of my characters will start with only gold buffs, only silver debuffs a combo of both or occasionly none at all
I am interested to know other parts of the game people are using the talisman set for.
I have been farming Garden of life 10 and have all but 1 of the zone talismans to go now, I have taken my best time from 8+ minutes down to 2+ minutes.
I haven't tried NOTB on auto yet but the final battlefield run is much faster at farming now here I have also bought my best time down to 30 seconds, and farmed a hell of a lot of gold!
I wish I could have had this "bug". Did 2 sets of tier VI sacrifices, filled a vortex and only got 5 talismans. This is absolute BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaz_LOTB
please consider the bug was not my fault, I got 5 sets from 2 tier 7, 2 tier 6 and 2 vortex, a shit load of essence and time to get it, then invested HEAVY into powering up all 30 talismans, so PLEASE do not nerf them into oblivion.
besides, some may have spent 40$ to get a set, this is serious coin to spend on a de-powered buff
and it is really fun to stack them and kick serious ass
What exactly is the bug? I've got 20 of them and still have enough resources to get 4 more... 5 Ultimate sacrifices gave me 15, 2 Tier VI sacrifices gave me 2 more and 3 vortexes gave me 3... Isn't that the way it's supposed to work anyway?
Goddess Aset says "hello"Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzleloader
This is a shame - I've really enjoyed PVP matches recently where we both have a set of these - it makes it unpredictable and more interesting each round as you don't know who's going to get what effect.
I am 100% behind you on this. I did not get any massive wins - I saved up a load of resources and got four sets (three in the furst day and one yesterday). So for me I got what I went for, you can even check my account but why oh why do we yet again have to pay for mistakes made. OK, maybe some did get crazy amount of sets, but not me and not many others. I have heard someone saying they got 11 sets - OK, if they got that through a bug fair enough bit why do you make everyone suffer for mistakes made by the team? Sorry, guys, I am usually supportive of the team but really this is not good. You should simply sort those that mega numbers outwith what you said might be possible and sort those account - why should the rest of us suffer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim28213
Either that or reset the whole thing and take them back and give us our resources back?
I spent a load of gold upgrading them all and also upgrading toons for the sac event and now I am short for the current event a little due to all that. I must have spent over 15M gold on upgrading, never mind all the runes etc etc. Come on guys this is getting silly. Please reconsider your position or at least tell us how bad the nerf wil be. I have to say that this is very dissappointing and I am usually trying to be supportive of the team on here.
The same sort of deal with me. As I said in my post this is really not on. I very poor bit of customer service and for once I am really not pleased. Just reset it all and start again. Why do we need to pay for mistakes - I spent so much time and resources it is certainly not anywhere near fair what you are proposing as a response. By all means get the accounts sorted that got big and stupid wins but leave the rest of us alone and leave the talisman alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888