Math relating to BHE

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11-29-2019, 09:49 PM
Nuke_Happy

Math relating to BHE

So as we all know BHE costs 25k cyborg frags. Counting all of the event challenges the game gives you 2500 frags max through event challenges. This leaves you with an insane 22.5k frags to grind for on your own. With the new update coming out soon insanity will start dropping 25 frags per run. 22.5/25 is 900 runs of insanity. Each insanity run costs 12 SoT per run. This means to get BHE you will need a total of 10,800 SoT to get BHE (not counting the pay to win frag deal). As someone who can only beat insanity by manually going through it this is BS. Devs please change the cost to 5,000 frags. This would be a far more balanced cost and would incite more plays to pay for the pack as it would considerably less to get 1 Eddie. Please leave your thoughts below on the matter of BHE ‘s ridiculous frag cost.
11-29-2019, 09:54 PM
Ydex

BHE: don't try to get him, unless you've accomplished every other objective in the entire game, including all of the Dungeons, all of the achievements, and have a fully awakened Cyborg Ed.
11-29-2019, 10:00 PM
MuzakMaker

5000 is too big of a decrease. I think 20000 would be more reasonable.

17500 would be my preferred. Still requires work but not literal days of grinding. We have 11 more days to grind.
11-29-2019, 10:05 PM
Yup

I think 15K....accessible to more of the user base rather than just a few capable of running Insanity of 7+ days.

It is important to realize that you need 5K frags for the Cyborg awakening items and at least 1 of the Cosmic talismans.....
11-29-2019, 10:23 PM
Muzzleloader

I am not judging the new dungeon, but with the new drop rate if you can run an insane dungeon on two minutes it would take 30+ hours to earn BHE. That is what it took many during the ferryman event. It is not out of line from a previous event, excluding the connection issues and needing the shards and cosmic talis.

I havent run the dungeons to get a feel for the rewards, but the ferryman event took a net of 1500 ironite. In the end it wasnt that big of an advantage considering the time wasted.
11-29-2019, 10:32 PM
Ydex

I can't imagine how frustrated I'd be if I'd put effort into grinding for Ferryman. The latest "game-ruining character" i.e. Van Helsing, which I happened to get in a lucky Event soul, was fun for a few weeks but I don't even use him anymore.

I'm Awakening Cyborg Ed in this event, simply because I needed a good Gunner Ed.

I doubt that BHE is worth the effort, unless you're a collector.
11-29-2019, 11:41 PM
BennySalazar

It simply impossible to collect BHE. Like we have nothing else to do tahn playing this game all day???? even with the extra days it feels unrealistic. Auto play on insanity isn't an option. Cause I have to switch eddies a few times and the I.A. isn't that intelligent. Auto play on madness?? complete the dungen 3000 (or 2500 times) ??? yeah right. i'm not willing to burn all my ironite for uncertain result. If it were a new game I would delete it right away. But since I spent so much time playing LOTB, I will hang on to it (for now)
11-29-2019, 11:47 PM
Muzzleloader

These events are for endgamers or extremely dedicated lunatics. If you cant auto the insane dungeon this event is not designed for you. There are better options in the game available.
11-30-2019, 12:33 AM
Yup

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Originally Posted by Ydex

I doubt that BHE is worth the effort, unless you're a collector.

That's the million dollar (or SOT) question since you can't see stats or abilities for him anywhere that I know of.
11-30-2019, 09:48 AM
Mateja

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Originally Posted by Yup

That's the million dollar (or SOT) question since you can't see stats or abilities for him anywhere that I know of.

He is a Cyborg Ed reskin so I'd assume stats are the same. Debating point is whether that passive is worth the insane grind.
11-30-2019, 12:26 PM
Bakura

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Originally Posted by Ydex

I can't imagine how frustrated I'd be if I'd put effort into grinding for Ferryman. The latest "game-ruining character" i.e. Van Helsing, which I happened to get in a lucky Event soul, was fun for a few weeks but I don't even use him anymore.

I'm Awakening Cyborg Ed in this event, simply because I needed a good Gunner Ed.

I doubt that BHE is worth the effort, unless you're a collector.

Wow, I gotta say.... my arena defense/offense has never had a higher win rate for both until I got Van Helsing. I use him for everything. His ability to cleanse perma & perf. death, doom and stun, plus put marks on Labyrinths, he hits like a tank, hits single and multi enemies, no damage for 2 rounds for the whole team, revives allies after an action, can wear Labyrinths, heals allies, and best of all.... he's a Vampire killer. I like when he rings opponents bell (Ding!) He can go up against Ferryman, Gambler, LoL, Lucifer, Raven Witch, etc.
It took awhile to really appreciate him, but he works synergistically w/ W. LoL , Charlotte & Malakhov.

As far as Bounty Hunter, I'm not sure he's worth it. But like Yup said, get the Cyborg awakening shards and a Cosmic first. I have Cyborg Eddie, so maxing him w/ a T3 is probably better than just getting BHE. I don't think I could have enough ironite to get BHE and the cosmic or shards. I agree that he is probably more a collectible. Which I stopped doing when I couldn't get Guy Fawkes Ed.

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Originally Posted by Yup

That's the million dollar (or SOT) question since you can't see stats or abilities for him anywhere that I know of.

This is from the madness level, looks like just Cyborg w/ a passive.

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11-30-2019, 02:59 PM
Caesar815

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Originally Posted by Bakura

Wow, I gotta say.... my arena defense/offense has never had a higher win rate for both until I got Van Helsing. I use him for everything. His ability to cleanse perma & perf. death, doom and stun, plus put marks on Labyrinths, he hits like a tank, hits single and multi enemies, no damage for 2 rounds for the whole team, revives allies after an action, can wear Labyrinths, heals allies, and best of all.... he's a Vampire killer. I like when he rings opponents bell (Ding!) He can go up against Ferryman, Gambler, LoL, Lucifer, Raven Witch, etc.
It took awhile to really appreciate him, but he works synergistically w/ W. LoL , Charlotte & Malakhov.

As far as Bounty Hunter, I'm not sure he's worth it. But like Yup said, get the Cyborg awakening shards and a Cosmic first. I have Cyborg Eddie, so maxing him w/ a T3 is probably better than just getting BHE. I don't think I could have enough ironite to get BHE and the cosmic or shards. I agree that he is probably more a collectible. Which I stopped doing when I couldn't get Guy Fawkes Ed.

This is from the madness level, looks like just Cyborg w/ a passive.

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Yes, that’s what is truely is: CE with passive. He looks like cyborg with a hat and his abilities are the same.
Btw.l: as I am a teacher of Maths I always calculate how many times I’ve to autoplay a dungeon and how much ironite and time it will cost. That’s why I decided not to grind for BHE. 25k is far too expensive and absolutely not worth it. There are better possibilities at the moment to play within the game.
For some reasons I believe he’ll be available in a heroic rotation or something similar in the nearer future. So I’ll try to get the t3 in order to be prepared for the future - whatever it may bring to us 🤘🏻 Cheers.
11-30-2019, 04:47 PM
Muzzleloader

One thing you may want to consider in determniing how many battles per day in the dungeon you want to run. They may not postpone the next event so they may overlap.
11-30-2019, 07:24 PM
AndyCatzo

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Originally Posted by Caesar815

Yes, that’s what is truely is: CE with passive. He looks like cyborg with a hat and his abilities are the same.
Btw.l: as I am a teacher of Maths I always calculate how many times I’ve to autoplay a dungeon and how much ironite and time it will cost. That’s why I decided not to grind for BHE. 25k is far too expensive and absolutely not worth it. There are better possibilities at the moment to play within the game.
For some reasons I believe he’ll be available in a heroic rotation or something similar in the nearer future. So I’ll try to get the t3 in order to be prepared for the future - whatever it may bring to us 🤘🏻 Cheers.

Yeah..I was thinking the same and try to get enough fragments for the talis or to exchange for cyborg Eddie souls and then sacrifice them in a sacrifice event
11-30-2019, 09:08 PM
Ydex

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Originally Posted by Ydex

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The latest "game-ruining character" i.e. Van Helsing, which I happened to get in a lucky Event soul, was fun for a few weeks but I don't even use him anymore.
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Originally Posted by Bakura

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Wow, I gotta say.... my arena defense/offense has never had a higher win rate for both until I got Van Helsing. I use him for everything. His ability to cleanse perma & perf. death, doom and stun, plus put marks on Labyrinths, he hits like a tank, hits single and multi enemies, no damage for 2 rounds for the whole team, revives allies after an action, can wear Labyrinths, heals allies, and best of all.... he's a Vampire killer. I like when he rings opponents bell (Ding!) He can go up against Ferryman, Gambler, LoL, Lucifer, Raven Witch, etc.
It took awhile to really appreciate him, but he works synergistically w/ W. LoL , Charlotte & Malakhov.
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I do like it when he rings the enemies bell-- DING! ha ha
Reminds me of Mario punching the coins out of enemies in Super Smash Bros --BA-DING! BA-DING! BA-DING!

A couple of things, I don't have Labyrinths, W.LoL, Charlotte, or Malakhov. I do have Starfires--which he makes useless. Killer Beast can wear Starfires and has a great de-buffing Fury. So I need a Passive Ed, and I just got an Alex Ed, who can wear Orbits, which I do have. So that's my two best talisman sets. And that's why I use Alex Ed instead of VHE, and I've massively improved in Arena, Cosmos, LoL, Event Dungeons, basically improved in every area since using Alex Ed/Killer Beast teams. I really like how Alex Ed doesn't get stunned.

So that's the thing I like about this game--whatever works best for you based on what you have and what your strategy is. I hate seeing things drifting towards NEEDING a particular toon or talisman set in order to be competitive. I keep telling people, you don't need a VHE--I don't even use mine.
12-01-2019, 11:43 PM
Ancient Mariner

These milestones are absurd so I don't even try to go after them and skip the goals... Not gonna dedicate all that time needed to get a char that is gonna be useless in a while.

I repeat that a game has to be fun,if it becomes a commitment that I don't feel like doing, then I ignore it
12-02-2019, 12:03 AM
RobG-9641

I’m at almost 20,000 fragments with around 700 ironite used. Average battle takes 1-1:30 minutes
Shockingly, the game has stayed connected to the server so I’ve been on auto play all day.
I skipped most November events and haven’t been playing any other dungeons, just stocked up on ironite for a month.
Unless ironite for refills is an issue or server problems, this is an obtainable Eddie in 10 days. It’s not a difficult dungeon.
12-02-2019, 05:40 AM
Caesar815

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Originally Posted by RobG-9641

I’m at almost 20,000 fragments with around 700 ironite used. Average battle takes 1-1:30 minutes
Shockingly, the game has stayed connected to the server so I’ve been on auto play all day.
I skipped most November events and haven’t been playing any other dungeons, just stocked up on ironite for a month.
Unless ironite for refills is an issue or server problems, this is an obtainable Eddie in 10 days. It’s not a difficult dungeon.

This is not possible in my opinion - except if you buy the rest of the frags needed for real money. 700 ironite are about 5 big time refills. So, let’s say you got around 3k SoT with it. An insanity run costs 12 SoT, which are likely 250 runs. You’ll get 25 frags maybe in on run, so this calculates up to 6,250 frags. Ok, you’ll get time refills throughout the day. This may work for the whole nine yards, but I doubt that it’s possible to collect 20k frags with just investing 700 ironite in 3 days?! Or am I wrong? Please help me, If this Ed is so easy to obtain.

Cheers
12-02-2019, 06:48 AM
Azagthor

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Originally Posted by Caesar815

This is not possible in my opinion - except if you buy the rest of the frags needed for real money. 700 ironite are about 5 big time refills. So, let’s say you got around 3k SoT with it. An insanity run costs 12 SoT, which are likely 250 runs. You’ll get 25 frags maybe in on run, so this calculates up to 6,250 frags. Ok, you’ll get time refills throughout the day. This may work for the whole nine yards, but I doubt that it’s possible to collect 20k frags with just investing 700 ironite in 3 days?! Or am I wrong? Please help me, If this Ed is so easy to obtain.

Caesar, your numbers are right, 700 ironite does get around 6,000 fragments. Some people have been very lucky with ironite drops though.

As this is a maths thread, let's have a quick look at the 2,500 fragment packs in the store. When Insanity only dropped 12 fragments, 2,500 fragments was equal to 500 ironite of refills. Now it drops 25 frags each run, 2,500 is 2 mega-refills, or 300 ironite. The packs also gives 250 ironite, so each one is effectively giving 4,500 fragments (+10 spare ironite), along with all the other resources.

Running some numbers, because I clearly have nothing better to do with my life, buying all 10 packs with the original insanity drop rates, and using the ironite on refills, would have equalled 37,450 fragments, which is 550 short of getting BHE, T3, & 3xAwakening. With the occasionally double fragment drops, that works out almost perfectly.

With the new drops rates, the 10 packs will get you 45,750 fragments, leaving you with 7,750 remaining. Could go for a T2, 775 awakening fragments, or 15 Cyborg Eddies for the next sacrifice event.
12-02-2019, 01:28 PM
RobG-9641

I want to correct/clarify my self. I realized I did not factor in 200 ironite won from Arena at reset & ironite won from daily/ weekly dungeon. I was looking just at my ironite range and it was roughly 700 ironite down from when I started event. But I think true number is closer to 900-1000. Cyborg dungeon does drop ironite, so it is not as expensive as it seems.
Apologies for the confusion!
12-02-2019, 01:45 PM
scott-5496

Yeah the only reason I am going beyond just getting BHE is I have ironite (started with 3666) and I am getting a good portion of that back each mega refill - nowhere near 100% but maybe 66-75% but it varies - I had six battles where I got 10 ironite on the trot and then nothing for 10 battles. Not paying for itself but costs are lower than I feared - also got 14 catalyst souls too which are handy to have. Not looked at talisman as got loads of primordial.

I reckon it has cost around 1,400 ironite to get BHE (well 27 k frags) ..... as I got 200 ironite for PVP and also some I guess from daily quests and sitting on 2,414 at the moment. I have been doing everything through this dungeon including my troopers though some used for quests each day.

I can live with that and what it will cost to get my T3 and three pyramids and maybe a few extra Cyborgs for the sac.
12-03-2019, 01:46 AM
MuzakMaker

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Originally Posted by scott-5496

Yeah the only reason I am going beyond just getting BHE is I have ironite (started with 3666) and I am getting a good portion of that back each mega refill - nowhere near 100% but maybe 66-75% but it varies - I had six battles where I got 10 ironite on the trot and then nothing for 10 battles. Not paying for itself but costs are lower than I feared - also got 14 catalyst souls too which are handy to have. Not looked at talisman as got loads of primordial.

I reckon it has cost around 1,400 ironite to get BHE (well 27 k frags) ..... as I got 200 ironite for PVP and also some I guess from daily quests and sitting on 2,414 at the moment. I have been doing everything through this dungeon including my troopers though some used for quests each day.

I can live with that and what it will cost to get my T3 and three pyramids and maybe a few extra Cyborgs for the sac.

Glad you guys are getting decent ironite returns. I have too many primoridials but I get maybe 20 ironite back on each mega refill. It wouldn't hurt so bad if they could actually fix the achievements which would allow me to claim the hundreds of ironite I have earned.
12-03-2019, 02:39 AM
Smudger24

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Originally Posted by RobG-9641

I want to correct/clarify my self. I realized I did not factor in 200 ironite won from Arena at reset & ironite won from daily/ weekly dungeon. I was looking just at my ironite range and it was roughly 700 ironite down from when I started event. But I think true number is closer to 900-1000. Cyborg dungeon does drop ironite, so it is not as expensive as it seems.
Apologies for the confusion!

Consider yourself lucky on the return rate. A mega refill for me gives back about 10 ironite. This dungeon is giving one of the worst ironite returns I've ever seen. I figured it will cost me over 2000 ironite to just get BHE and nothing else. With 400 ironite on hand I guess it's out of my reach.