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2 skillsharded heavy hitters (harpy 6500,SS 7500) couldn't even dent the bitch :p i lost.
Perhaps a nerf is in its place :p
At least the team is aware of her bugged titan shield
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2 skillsharded heavy hitters (harpy 6500,SS 7500) couldn't even dent the bitch :p i lost.
Perhaps a nerf is in its place :p
At least the team is aware of her bugged titan shield
She is frustrating as hell... I try to steer clear, but using a char that blocks beneficial effects can help.
You know what's a pain to counter? Her with immunity talismans. Had a lot of fun trying to break that puzzle. Prisoner could barely hurt her, Rainmaker couldn't make a dent. Or he'd break before he could try.
I used to have around 95% win ratio in pvp but after magus cr got nerfed and nbols too it is really hard to even beat any team with that girl.
My win ratio is down in low 80s after that nerf. Also 35% chance procs more often for enemies than my own 65%+ proccers. Seems wierd. And yes i did like 20 runs counting how often enemies procd counter vs me stealing things.
Everything seems to proc 2-3 times as much for AI. Guess thats "balancing" the nf way.
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Originally Posted by Browno
It's been like that for a long time. Devs have made no acknowledgement of it. It's pretty obvious not only in pvp but pve as well. I fortunately have a prisoner, or I'd still be dreading playing Assassin/Warrior LoL on level X. I could beat them without him, but having to wait while every NBoL did a revenge just gets old and takes forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG840
My guess is that the defense gets what amounts to an accuracy buff (talismans included) in the neighborhood of 25%, and to make it fair the offense gets a debuff (maybe closer to 10%). I'm not sure if it applies the entire battle. It may only be active for the first round or two.
Yeah, you're right, she's fucked up, by far the most ridiculous passive in the whole game, but C'mon, state that she's almost unbeatable is too much.
I think that you can do it better, many here has the solution to her OPness, maybe benched, maybe with unskillsharded.
I'm not a great player, but she's never have been a BIG problem for me...
I usually only have problems facing her on defense in pvp when she has immunity talismans. It doesn't always happen, but sometimes when she has immunity going in, even with prisoner blocking her passive she keeps putting the shield back up. So, she can sometimes beat the prisoners passive. I tried her on offense today and she apparently forgot that she gets to renew the shield every round and I wasn't facing a team with the prisoner, it wasn't stolen and it wasn't removed. She just decided not to renew it.
Its just that you need the right toons to beat her. A fully sharded nomad (thats 5 star) vs a 4 star seem a bit unbalanced. I have no char that can beat her 1v1 thats 4 star. And only solution is to have killed all others in team with permadeath.
But i will take any help i can get from you to make her easy.
You have to kill her first. Newborn and nomad can take her down in a couple of turns. If you still have a blue bat he takes her shield away after the first turn. The hardest one ive faced is two of them with a prisoner and grim reaper. The prisoner takes the newborns passive which is really useful, and even if you kill one or two of the bitches, by that point the grim reaper will have his fury powered up. Fought that team for a good 20 minutes.
Right now is even easier to beat teams with one or two of them, 3 toons in my attack team have energy talismans and my four toon is Cyborg who steals energy with basic attack and fury. That way she never grants endure to her team. NBoL makes a good job removing her shield and stunning her with explosive talismans.
IMO she is not OP, just hard to beat.
Being bugged "a bit" she might be crossing a line right now. But as R1ck said, with the right setup she's very manageable. Heavy on energy sets gonna be fixed soonish, I'll still use them mind you. If you don't run a somewhat durable positive effect remover in your team it might be tough (she's not the only reason why you should have one ready though, very worth the investment). For me, Warrior Pyro Soldier with void, energy and his built-in de-buffing DoT does well enough (Wrath went back on bench and only see plays in LoL lately). Silence can also work but better kill her before ending in the situation that can been seen on the screenshot. If all that fails, GCR vs GCR, human beats AI easily.
Edit: Funny bit is I got yet another GCR dupe from arena store 70% off legendary soul.
My team is usually pharaoh ed, mcr, aof and nomad. They had no problem before, but after mcr nerf it is much worse since triggers are wonky. Also i do not have shell talismans at all and only 2 set counterstrike. I will try to abuse the energy tho.
Hey Browno,
I faced a team of 2 MCRs (Pepp, I'm looking at you, trooper! :) ), and the tactic is to use NBoL along with SSD, who taunts them and does not give them a chance to revive the allies. You do need a healer and energy stealer so that you can keep your SSD and NBoL alive, so I use Aces High and Sentinel Droid.
Hope that helps...cheers!
Thanks for the tips iceman :)
Now i must get a nbol again :p
I use wrath with void and energy and prisonner to get rid of them, she's really strong still but her aoe physical dmg will almost every time make her entire team lose buff if she attacks a team with void shield and wrath help too, then just seal her skill with prisoner and she become useless (yeah I know it has needed a little investment) I haven't lost against a team with GCR this week. But yeah she still needs a nerf I think
From what most of you guys have said, it looks like there is almost always 2 characters needed, and while she is easier then i still feel that she is overpowered for a 4* in arena. In pve she is meh.
Yeah, she's a beast. I love having her on Def. Best bet is Grim reaper eddies normal skill to get rid of the shield and then some other heavy hitters to attempt to kill... In my experiences at least.
Well with a prisoner it's quick & easy... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Browno
Prisoner or not I also love her tendency to be stupid & ram void shields instead of reviving a fallen ally,
her AI is usually more A than I..
A good stunner, power stealer or taunter can also keep her busy enough to not be a pain, reflect shields & life drain also remove her HP instead of shield.. Remember killing one full shield with almost no HP with my CD life drain..
Don't think I'm representative as I never felt threatened by her & unless by accident I don't think she can really hurt what I throw at her either...
I use Wrath with void and he prisoner on her. That said, no matter who is on the defense, I try and stun her first with my prisoner. Unless the green harpy has counter talks. She dies easily with those, and she is my only nemesis lol.
I just proc void shield and proceed.
What Lulero said, void shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lulero
Also characters with steal or remove like corrupt rescuer magus, newborn of light warrior, wrath, visions eddie, undead rescuer warrior, etc... can help.
If she uses her skill she won't attack but the resurrected character will be weaker and likely to attack, so another option is just kill something that you can get rid of right away on your turn or even better as a counter in the same turn (strike talisman, newborn of light warrior/assasin, corrupt ox ass).
Or/and Assassins & high damage.
yeah she is a tough bugger for sure, but I don't fear here at all. My GRE with a perfect hit can remove that shield in one hit. Wrath can remove it or his void shield can. Up against her and Viking eddie i have gone over 20 moves to defete them so yeah she is tough, but at least you get attacks against her. Unlike SSD....lol
I'd rather come up against her than Warrior Undead Rescuer. Equipped with Strike Talismans, or Immunity making using a Prisoner against him usesless, he's been a pain recently.
GCR is pretty easy to kill. Eternity Ed, AoF and Nomad and 90% off the time she's gone.
I can't wait for the day I finally get a prisoner... Can't wait to try him with her.
Still the main problem with the prisoner. Whoever has him gets to ruin everybody else's toys but still use his own.
Ain't that somewhat his purpose, maybe I'm missing something... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Thedarkness
He's not as much OP as it used to no worries, he still really useful but now be countered by a lot of strategies, we're not in February anymore...
Add to that that the arena adapted & don't rely as much on passives as it used to..
Used to be a no brainer on defense, it's not the case anymore, pushing for more nerf would just render him useless.. I mean real useless lol, like a blue child of the damned event or something..
I don't think we should push for any nerfs. We'll get them regardless, but personally, I don't want to give them any more ideas. It's depressing how many characters have been wrecked. I wonder how much different pvp would really be if none of them were ever nerfed. We'd see a lot more CGs, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
A lot you said...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFreeze
He haven't been nerfed, they downright buried him & poured concrete over it... Used to be the best champs now it's annoying just to have a trooper with one..
I'll agree to a nerf on her BUT... they have to nerf the warrior angle of fear and the sentinel soulless demon at the same time. Between the second turn generation on the angel of fear and the freakin over taunting of the soulless demon, the gunner corrupt rescuer is one of the only tunes that can help you survive them - lol
No more nerfs please... GCR maybe needs her power move adjusted to cost 7 but that's about enough.
Not a bad idea! Love it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Better than nerfing AoF a third time... If not fourth..
Enough with characters being "OP"... my Wrath and Vampire Eddie demolish her easily, every time.
Just need right toons, right strategy and a little luck on the coin toss and every toon is beatable. Too many good toons are dust collectors now, because someone is frustrated they can't win easily.
Some characters need to be more OP or the game will become unchallenging... No nerfs!!
Full disclosure: green Harpy handcuffs my Vampire & Wrath in Arena usually rendering them useless, but I don't consider her OP... beat and get beaten, it's the way PvP goes...
Weird, I never find the Harpies tough...heavy warrior team, such as NBoL + Nomad w/ Counterstrikes takes care of her quite easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobG-9641
I do find GCR as a bit OP, and agree that her power move should be at least 7, like that of Wrath and Nomad. Other than that no nerfing is required. I don't have her and have to rely on Wrath or NBoL to take care of her, but equipped in the right team, she can be quite hard to beat.
Well put. Couldn't agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by RobG-9641
I completely agree. I have never understood why everyone hates this chick so much nor why so many players user her for defense. She used to be great for offense but there are too many counters to risk using her any more. Another counter no one mentions is Storm Eddie. If she is the last one standing his fury will annihilate her with full shield and full health. No more nerfs, We will adjust. Time wasted continuously balancing characters can be better spent fixing bugs or finishing working on new content.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobG-9641
& ditto again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaosego888
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Ditto one more time. Thanks Rob.
I had just got done recording a match for DJE and while I often put in a Prisoner to take on a GCR I just went with the "Team of Morons" I used last week - a 3*, 2 4* (including the weak Blue CotD) and VHE - for the next fight.
They went first - had a GCR - stunned my VHE - and I thought this would be a great example of taking on a GCR (especially since I started at a big disadvantage). Take a strong assassin - doesn't have to be VHE - a Corrupt Harpy works just as well - and kick her arse.
But nerf? Not needed
Video - "Kick the GCR" http://youtu.be/0tVOHVm8EOc
This 10 times over! I use her, but know how to beat her easily as well. Every toon has a weakness. Nerfing is not the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobG-9641
She is not OP, I think most people get frustrated because her shield is real glitchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Man
TBH it seems to be working better lately, if stolen it does not regen. Sometimes though the shield still shows on the screen but she takes damage so it's not active. it can get pretty confusing.
The other bad thing with her is that using her both on offense and facing her on defense I have gotten stuck in a loop with a prisoner and a regen toon that forced a draw.
Won't go into details but you'll know if you ever come across that scenario. Really lame.