I've only put in stats that people post, so if there are types that are missing, it means I haven't seen them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zugzwang
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I've only put in stats that people post, so if there are types that are missing, it means I haven't seen them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zugzwang
I don’t get that either. All available stats are listed. Don’t know what should be missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bort
Attachment 6269Here are a few. See if these fit into your sheet anywhere if you like.Attachment 6270Attachment 6271
Thanks Zungwang
added some more to the sheet.
Pulled this talisman todayAttachment 6468
Wow, now also 4 set are dropping, nice pull.
Edit: just summoned 16 regular cosmic souls and got two of those, T1 white both of them though.
Yeah I pulled a white T1 a couple days ago with Echo as well.. wish it was a T2 or T3 though :)
Maybe that is where in gauntlet they have several talisman buffs that they couldn't possible have. It could also be they have a bug and have more than one cosmic talisman. That would explain alot. They use augmented cosmics not released to the general public.
that's a bruiser, holy cowQuote:
Originally Posted by bort
You should see the Red T3 posted previously in this thread..... that my friend is the Cosmic Holy Grail!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ydex
Hah! I just got from Epic talisman soul most pointless T2 talisman possible. :)
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you have one of the top shit possible yes ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Olevipoeg
YES! I got it at last!
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What about it on Lamia with alchemy talismans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olevipoeg
White T2 is not worth upgrading cost to be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esquatcho
I sell all Comics without an HP boost.. unless they have some great augment. So far I have one with the Vampire augment and no HP boost.... that's the only non-HP boost I've kept.
I just evolved a Red T1 w/ high attack and Def & Spec, also has Spec 15% increase (no Hp.)
I figure a red t1 is similar to a t2 blue/purple.
Thought about putting it on a toon using Frontier talis. This cosmic lvl 2 has 1,500 atk.
Could be useful on Gunners cuz of high Special.
But yeah, Hp is always important. So many toons use random damage attack nowadays, so cosmics w/ Hp, Atk/Mag are best.
My inventory is littered with Cosmic talismans-- you can't sort them with inventory tools, they're not identifiable visually (a Yellow T1 vs. a Blue T2 vs. a White T3--you have to open up each one to determine the tier), and are so numerous I have to scroll through them and end up losing my place. This is not manageable. These things are jammed into the inventory and the app itself can't even put them in order.
The tiers should have just had a color--why do we need 3 tiers X 5 colors? The colors aren't even in order, i.e. Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Purple
I think there are times the no-hp cosmics can be good. Those 3 green spot toons do well with frontiers and then a great att/mag/something else type cosmic. Similar situation with onslaught yellow talismans. I've even been getting decent results from 3 set yellows (invisibility/thief/purge/flash/persecution/serenity etc) with a 2 set (tranquility/hp/advantage/sustaining etc) and then an attacking non-hp cosmic....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura
The non-hp cosmics that have atk, mag, and the atk x mag effect are not all that bad imo - I use one on Ferryman, and toons using Labyrinth.
I haven't posted any cosmic talisman stats here for some time so I probably have quite a few to add. I don't want to double post so I will just base it off your file Bort so if I post it its because I didn't see it in there.
Purple T1 HP+15%
level 20 - HP 5941 Magic 595 MR 403
Purple T2 ATK +15%
level 10 - HP 2656 ATK 263 MR 248
Purple T3 ATK +15%
Level 30 - HP 16473 ATK 2425 MR 1695
Blue T1 Magic +15%
Level 10 - Hp 1640 Magic 188 Mr 81
Purple T2 - Def +15%
Level 10 - ATK 273 Def 207 Special 154
White T3 - Def +15%
Level 10 - HP 2665 Def 157 Magic 281
Yellow T1 - MR +15%
Level 10 - HP 2231 Magic 251 MR 171
Yellow T1 - Special +25%
Level 10 - HP 2441 Magic 290 Special 130
Blue T2 - Special +25%
Level 1 - Atk 58 Def 39 Special 38
Yellow T1 - ATK, Magic, Def and HP +15%
Level 30 - HP 11110 ATK 1487 Magic 1388
Purple T2 - Immunity
Level 10 - Hp 2440 ATK 331 Magic 224
Purple T2 - Burn
Level 20 - HP 7770 Atk 820 Def 759
Yellow T3 - Void
Level 30 - Hp 19709 Def 1821 Mr 1805
White T1 - Death Mark
Level 1 - Hp 563 Def 15 Mr 19
Purple T1 - Chance
Level 10 - Hp 2003 Atk 157 Special 95
Blue T2 - Chance
Level 10 - HP 2288 Def 192 MR 165
Purple T2 - Chance
Level 10 - HP 2471 Def 203 Mr 200
White T1 - Immortality
Level 10 - HP 1504 Def 92 Special 46
Purple T1 - Vampiric
Level 10 - Atk 199 Def 115 Mr 118
Purple T1 - Fate
Level 10 - Magic 158 Mr 138 Special 73
Purple T2 - Void
Level 30 - Hp 13550 Def 1353 Mr 1090
Yellow T2 - ATK, Magic, Def, Hp +5%
Level 30 - Hp 15636 Atk 2070 Magic 1549
White T2 - HP +15%
Level 1 - HP 544 Magic 40 MR 29
Purple T2 - ATK x Magic
Level 20 - ATk 911 Magic 875 Special 574
Def think its time I start selling all whites outside T3s. Probably Blue T1s too unless they have some rare effect. Talisman inventory management SHOULD be a high priority but seems theres nothing on the horizon to fix the clutter...
With cosmics maybe they can add a small icon (a much smaller version of what the original talismans use like strength, health, etc?) on the talisman image that denotes what effect it is.
I've made a spreadsheet to manually manage my cosmic talismans.
Stupid question (maybe?) but is the lowest "color level" of a T2 always higher quality than the highest "color level" of a T1? etc.
Example, these two:
purple t1, level 10 fate effect, mag 158 mr 138 spec 73
white t2, level 10 fate effect, mag 175 mr 118 spec 115
Is this white T2 "3 levels higher" than the purple T1 ?? There's only 39 points of difference.
Why don't you check out this sheet - there are quite a few filled in values for you to compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ydex
More of a general question though.
Is a better color lower tier designed to be worse than a lower color higher tier, or do they overlap?
The system is confusing as hell.
Spreadsheet indicates that HP on a Red T1 can be anywhere from 1/6 of a Blue T2, to TWICE AS MUCH as a Blue T2.
I'm hoping that we can fill in enough values in that linked sheet to pull up some reliable metrics to determine the answer to questions like those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ydex
Though, which talismen were you looking at? Was it the same talisman and level, just Red T1 vs Blue T2?
There is no definitive answer to your question. Basically a yellow and red is better than a purple which are better than either blue or white if the abilities are the same. HP varies in the same color and T level depending on the abilities, same as sub types of normal talisman are different.
What a total POS system. I can't even identify which ones I should delete.
How do you determine if you want a socercry, arcane or power blue talisman? Use the same type of criteria to determine which cosmic you want to upgrade. Typically you would prefer red, yellow and purple with good augements. Then T3 over T2 over T1, but that depends on your cosmic evolve material.
Yeah, so is a White T2 better than a Red T1 ?? If not, at what point do the tiers overlap?
In terms of better what are you asking? It will depend on the abilities you want and for what type of toon you want to place him on.
If you are scaling off of MR you want a talisman with the highest starting MR stat.
If you look at the spreadsheet you will see what starting stats for a given talisman and what it will yield when maxed.
Do you have any specific stat or set of stats you are interested in? You may not need high HP for blue lilith were magic would complement the other talisman.
What are you really asking? There are many good cosmics, you just need the correct one for the situation you need to use it for.
All things being equal--same effect, same stat boosts-- what is the scale from top to bottom?
T1 White through Red, then T2 White through Red, then T3 White through Red?
Or T1 White through [???] overlapping with T2 [???] through [???]
I'm asking because in my inventory I have a Purple T1 that is nearly identical to a White T2. Do the Tiers overlap starting at Purple ???
Or when they say "random" is it truly, completely abstractly illogically random?
P.O.S. System
What cant you understand? If you start with a certain color and T level they level up at a predictable rate. Compare your starting color stats to one on the list then you can see what it will be when maxed.
Typically purple then yellow then red give higher stats as they are leveled up. The end stat is based off the initial stat.
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Originally Posted by Ydex
Well, ideally, the sheet is filled in for you for those two talismen you have, then your choice would be pretty easy. Based on what I've seen so far, the Purple T1 is probably better than the White T2. I *think* that colour trumps tier in most of the talismen.
Each talisman on the previously linked sheet will give you the values by colour and tier at level 1 (initial value), level 10 (1* max), level 20 (2* max), and level 30 (3* max). When enough of the sheet is filled out we will be able to make cross-talisman determinations - ie, which is an overall better talisman, a Blue T2 +15% attack, or a Purple T1 Blind talisman with attack?
So this feature has been out for how long? and we don't know if Color or Tier is more important? It's just a pathetic feature. Horrible.
I made a list to check for duplicates, next step is keep the best of each class. Oops, it's impossible to determine. Guess or flip a coin.
They are too convoluted. I made the point when they came out that whites were basically pointless. I still stick by that. At this point if its not a purple or above I don't think I am going to bother to evolve it in most cases. Unless its a blue T2-T3 with a really good effect/stats that I currently don't have.
The stats possible for 2-3 set effects should be either HP/ATK/Magic or HP/Def/Mr only I think. Then for 4-set effects like echo either HP/ATK/MAGIC/SPECIAL or HP/DEF/MR/SPECIAL. The stats should have been set at each colour and tier based on an actual formula. Like a set number at white T1/T2/T3 then a percentage increase from colour to colour. If it is now it must be some whack formula because no one knows what you are going to get for sure when you evolve them.
At the moment with all the different tiers, colours, stats and effects the possible combinations of cosmics seems almost endless.
Here are some more for the spread sheet:
purple T1 Vampiric 1 star (max 10) - Atk 199 - Def 115 - MR 118
white T1 Special 25% 1 star (max 10) - HP 1681 - Mag 127 - Special 38
purple T2 Def 15% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 740 - Def 41 - Magic 69
purple T2 Def 15% 1 star (max 10) - HP 2855 - Def 248 - Magic 321
purple T1 MR 15% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 734 - Magic 47 - MR 35
white T3 MR 15% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 675 - Magic 39 - MR 38
white T3 MR 15% 1 star (max 10) - HP 2475 - Magic 282 - MR 155
blue T1 Special 25% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 697 - Magic 30 - Special 23
blue T1 Special 25% 1 star (max 10) - HP 1840 - Magic 174 - Special 68
blue T2 Special 25% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 744 - Magic 40 - Special 32
blue T2 Special 25% 1 star (max 10) - HP 2391 - Magic 238 - Special 140
red T1 Atk, Magic, Def and HP 5% 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 929 - Atk 33 - Magic 44
red T1 Atk, Magic, Def and HP 5% 1 star (max 10) - HP 2837 - Atk 303 - Magic 296
purple T2 Burning 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 799 - Atk 42 - Def 34
purple T2 Burning 1 star (max 10) - HP 2743 - Atk 258 - Def 241
purple T2 Burning 2 stars (max 20) - HP 7770 - Atk 820 - Def 759
blue T2 Death Mark 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 635 - Def 40 - MR 35
blue T2 Death Mark 1 star (max 10) - HP 2345 - Def 193 - MR 161
blue T1 Chance 1 star (LV 1/10) - HP 701 - Def 20 - MR 23
blue T2 Chance 2 stars (max 20) - HP 6439 - Def 571 - MR 482
purple T1 Fate 2 stars (max 20) - Magic 522 - MR 456 - Special 224
white T2 Fate 1 star (LV 1/10) - Magic 40 - MR 28 - Special 25
Thanks Bort!
I absolutely agree. There should be at least SOME predictability somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by thealchemist
The thing that bothers me most to be honest, is that you can't tell what the augment is until you tap the talisman. Not even on teh pop up reward screen.. you HAVE to go to My Team.. and find it to see what the augment is. I know that if I want an explosion set.. I need to look at red talismans.. if I want predator.. I need to look at blues, etc.. can't do that with Cosmics. you have to tap each and every one. - on a character or not. And.... if I KNOW I have a T3 with X augment somewhere.. I have to tap all 300+ characters to find it - or at least as many as it takes to find.
There REALLY needs to be a list for talismans, cosmic or otherwise..... and when I tap a list item the character it is applied to is highlighted/shown. If it's not on a character then some indicator of that should be used. BASIC inventory shit.
And WHY can't I tap-hold on a talisman in the never-ending left swipe list to sell that talisman.. I mean the same popup to sell from rewards screens could be used...noooooooo.. I need to go to the "sell screen" and swipe down a bunch of times, then tap-hold each and every talisman there to see if it's the class/stats I want to sell. And heaven forbid if I'm trying to remember 3 or 4 specific cosmics to sell.. my memory isn't that great at times. Best I cna do is level up the ones I should keep at the moment. So I know to sell all level 1s.. but as more are collected that method starts to become problematic as well.
Agreed-- viewing the attributes, inventory management, and the selling process are all horrible.
I just want to clean up my inventory by selling all of the lower quality cosmics with duplicate attributes (same effect, same stats). But it isn't clear which tier/color has the best scaling. The OP states "...quality rating...is a further indicator of the stat ranges within a given Tier..." but that isn't true. the Tiers overlap--but WHERE do they overlap?
If Purple T1 equals White T2, does Gold T1 equal Blue T2? Is Red T1 better or worse than a Purple T2? Will the higher TIER scale better, or the higher COLOR? There has to be some logical relationship, right?? Is BASE tied to SCALING or are these independently random??
The answer "write down every stat" makes me want to uninstall this app and throw my phone into a lake.
Prime or Nightmare may be the augment for the next evolution event.
I just picked up a Yellow T1 with Nightmare and a Blue T2 with Prime from standard/epic talisman souls (not the icy stuff). First I've seen of these augments.
i can't wait until a Destiny or a Fortune cosmic is released so i can pair it with the other on my blue Lilith. Mwa ha ha ha ha.