March 2019 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[rags-6094]

There is no equality here and there will never be it's a business people! This whole game relies on the same methods used in gambling casinos and such like, we are the willing participants or victims, call it what you will.
Pay a little pay a lot, spend some time in game, spend many hours each day in game or just enough to do your troopers, either way they've got us by the short and curly's because we love everything about the band especially The music and Eddie.
So now I've had 24 more hours to digest what's happened, other forum members have already touched on this but it is true that the majority of long term daily players will already have most characters and the regular souls from rare to mythical won't cut it or guarantee you will get that new toon, some heroics may cut it in time. I think the hard part will be spending 100,000 gold for a mythical and not getting the 5* Eddie or character your hoping for...

There was a definate stuff up during the last sac event of which I for one took great advantage of, it would not surprise me if someone's head rolled over that stuff up (from a business perspective).

We saw during that sac event a 180 degree backflip and now more efforts from them to recoup the lost revenue through gold and soul frags, as they have said - it is not all bad, frag drops for the souls effected have increased, if you were a new player you wouldn't know any different so there would be no harm done, for the rest of us - the cost of being a pioneer perhaps? It is not the first time and it won't be the last time, the question is how much will the individual take before he finally gets off the LOTB ride?

[kkkreg5]

How can you definitively say that the last event WAS a "stuff up" and that you or I benefited from it Rags? It's clear to me that they continually release bugged events without testing. They have no one to blame but themselves for that.

We are all willing participants, but as customers, we have some control. As many others have said, speak with your wallets. I've spent far too much on this that will never return. The company will hear the voices of the many.

[rags-6094]

Yeah your right we do speak through our wallets but we do that knowing the game and it's inconsistencys before we spend don't we..?
I believe there was a shift in the way the sac event presented itself to us as the customer, drop rates changed, overnight there seemed to be a great change in how much gold it cost, in the first 24 to 48 hours you could virtually sacrifice and leave your gold stack even, what I mean is whatever you spent you got back through winnings and drops etc..
Then later the gold drops decreased and there was a noticeable decrease in the gold stack..

Skill shards and heart drops didn't change but the likely hood of getting a quality soul drop or gold drop was far decreased.
So for such a noticeable change to happen during an event would mean a mistake was made or at very least an amendment was made when someone noticed how easily people were acquiring quality items..

[R1ck]

I would prefer they remove precious souls and gold from sacrifice rewards and keep gold summoning requirement as before.
The change in sacrifice rewards were supposed to be a little more beneficial for us. But after all these changes it has been more harmful for players.

[Warlord]

Read the whole thread.. And I'm not even going Complain because I't wont due any good. they just turn a deaf Ear. Looks like It be awhile before I use real money on the game again.. Very Low Move, another big FU to us...

[Blade]

Read the whole thread.. And I'm not even going Complain because I't wont due any good. they just turn a deaf Ear. Looks like It be awhile before I use real money on the game again.. Very Low Move, another big FU to us...

It will get even worse if you see the chronics:

02-28-2019, 07:14 PM
Kaz opens the PRILIMINARY update and discussion thread

people start analysing and in particular discussing the new Talis AND the fragment change, e.g.
02-28-2019, 09:27 PM Zamasu wrote:
@Kaz

At least we should get a warning before the changes in soul fragments happen. That way we can decide whether we want to claim our souls or not. that's only fair to us player. are the fragments required to claim a soul being increased? if so, by how much?

02-28-2019, 09:50 PM, answer from Kaz:
They will be increased, mainly for Rare Souls and Class Rare Souls. It will require around 25 to 80 more fragments to claim one than it does now, depending on the soul. These changes will be applied with the next update.

-Kaz

some more discussion and more people asked about details about the changes, i.e. my post some hours later:
03-01-2019, 05:29 PM
I am really confused now with these changes. Could you please share a clear list with us showing which type of frags will be affected? This would be really great and helpful, and highly appreciated! Thanks!

There was no answer for this one but about the Prisoner bug from Kaz at
03-01-2019, 06:21 PM

03-01-2019, 06:14 PM
Scott opens this thread: New Game Data 01/03/2019 click here
This "New Game Data" was the update!

This was before Kaz's post about the Prisoner

--> the update was pushed right within the discussion and 23 h after the PRELIMINARY update info was released.

[WastingYears81]

I don't usually comment on the actions of NF, but the frag value change feels like a very bad decision, and the way it's been done is very underhand. The speed of update just says that they hoped to do it before anyone questioned what the changes were. The update notes were clearly intended to hide what was being done.

Kaz gave answers when asked, but if the question wasn't asked then NF would not have been forthcoming with the details. They could easily have listed the old and new rates. On the face of it rare g/a souls have gone from 50 to 150 per soul, leg from 100 to 250 - these are more than minor tweaks.

What I don't get as part of this is what the point of doing this, beyond annoying the players what does it really deliver in terms of the gameplay or experience. Maybe NF can give a clear list of the changed rates (old and new), and what benefit this change gives the game, or why this change was felt needed (if I've missed this already please point me to the info)

[infinite dreamer]

Can anyone post how much the soul redemption costs have gone up? Old vs new cost?

Another thing I was wondering is that since the gold went up to redeem souls, shouldn't we receive more gold in return when we sell stuff back to offset it a bit (like the gold idols)? Hypothetically, they're worth more now, no?

[Muzzleloader]

I would say they wont raise any gold rewards. This is a good way to control sacrifices by making gold a precious commodity in the game. Now you will need to grind more just to pay to redeem souls. The same way the cut back the gold rewards during the last sacrifice event.

[Nifelheim]

, I would suggest raising the value of souls to make viable to sell or sacrifice souls, or selling for gold before putting in the book of souls.