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    The Value of Your Grind

    I hope you have a strong stomach, True Believer.

    Letís start here: Iím free to play. Every game I pick up Iím free to play. On principle. Not because I donít like supporting App development or because Iím a glutton for punishment (which I may be). Simply so I can, inevitably, post on a forum like this one that Iím 100% F2P, and demonstrate that games I love can be won without money. Know this: like most good games, Legacy of The Beast can be won without money. But you better not plan on playing anything else.

    This new dungeon event brought a new kind of grind, which is worth examining. The dungeon events are, I think, a devís excuse to have a cake and eat it (in front of you). They start wonderfully: in the first hour or so, you can get two sets of shiny new talis whilst netting ironite, skill shards, and et cetera, and et cetera. I shrewd F2P player at my level or beyond should STOP HERE. Unfortunately, sitting on your buns for a week is hard to do.

    So Iím 200 runs into the event, gaining achievements that arenít worth it because I canít resist. Letís see exactly how not worth it they are:

    #1) Artifact Talis. Artifact Talis are fun to at least try out. Now is a great chance to grab them! In two hundred runs (madness, minus the 30 requisite runs for achievements and the single run on insanity for first clear bonuses) I have zero Artifact Tali drops. I should have a full set in approximately never, plus or minus a few millennia.

    #2) Dungeon Fragments. So, in the new dungeon you get Sentinel frags and Dungeon frags, and the occasional rare soul. You get other stuff, too, but at rates < what you can get them for from other places. If youíre grinding, these are the things youíre probably grinding for.

    Donít get me wrongÖ if itís rare souls you want, dungeons are pretty good for rare souls, which are pretty good for sacrifice events. You can buy a rare soul from the store for 75 ironite, or you can grind Madness a dozen (or a bakerís dozen) times for 30 ironite, get roughly half your investment back, and get probably a rare soul to drop plus a Sentinel soul (which is about equally valuable). 15 ironite per couple rare souls is not too bad.

    Letís say youíve been missing Starfire Talis, though, and it really is the Dungeon frags you want. The good news is, if you grind long enough theyíre guaranteed. All you have to do is collect those 6 frags per Madness run and wait forÖ

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    Six months?

    According to my internal calculations (which require a bit of number fudging), one ironite (in SoT) is worth about 5 Dungeon Frags, grinding Madness, without losses. And there is simpler math which requires less fudging. If you prefer to stop once youíve reached max achievements (800 runs), youíve collected 4800 Dungeon Frags on Madness. Congratulations! Thatís a single Tali from the store. Collecting a full set of Starfire will only take you about 6 Dungeon events, which will only take you about 6 months.

    To sum:

    3 Power and 3 Sacrifice Talis net you, I donít know, I was up maybe 75 ironite when everything was said and done?

    1 Starfire Tali from the excellent Dungeon event store costs about 800 ironite, and you can get a full set after 6 months. (But you may want to wait until they drop a different way, in which case youíll spend 6 months doing nothing with your event currency until you have enough for a set. Will you still be playing this game in six months? The chances I will are about 50/50.)

    Still, extrapolating my drop rates, youíll have your Starfire set sooner than youíll have your Artifacts, which youíll have never.

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    It's certainly good to try and calculate if certain goals are worth aiming for, but a lot of the grinding calculation are usually done with Insanity, as they're often a decent step up from Madness in terms of SoT/Reward ratios. Farming Madness never feels terribly good, but it's often necessary until you reach the upper echelons of the playerbase. The talismans almost never seem to drop from Madness sadly, but they're maybe ~1/100 runs in Insanity. I didn't get a single Singularily in however many Tiny Tim Madness dungeons I ran to get Scrooge from fragments, but got over two sets of Primordials from Cyborg Madness and I was only running that as far as the T3 cosmic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azagthor View Post
    It's certainly good to try and calculate if certain goals are worth aiming for, but a lot of the grinding calculation are usually done with Insanity, as they're often a decent step up from Madness in terms of SoT/Reward ratios. Farming Madness never feels terribly good, but it's often necessary until you reach the upper echelons of the playerbase. The talismans almost never seem to drop from Madness sadly, but they're maybe ~1/100 runs in Insanity. I didn't get a single Singularily in however many Tiny Tim Madness dungeons I ran to get Scrooge from fragments, but got over two sets of Primordials from Cyborg Madness and I was only running that as far as the T3 cosmic.
    Yeah, Insanity is a no-go for me. I could probably find a team that works, but my madness auto team wins between 30-45 sec. consistently and relies heavily on True damage dealers (insanity has a critter with Orbits in the final wave). I ain't got the time or energy (or ironite) to experiment and find a team and deal with whatever inflated run-time I would need to deal with in order to farm Insanity. (Besides, I already have Artifacts. Does it make sense that they're the hardest to find for the newest players who need them the most?)

    Considering I'd like to finish all the achievements (because I can't not leave achievements on the table), I'm actually considering going backwords (Hard or Normal) instead of forward, just so the ironite cost/run is less burdensome.

    The question I really need to ask myself is, Is that shiny Mythical Red/Gold soul worth the (~six months, also) wait-time necessary to achieve it?

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    You didnt also take into account some of the other dropped materials that are needed in the game. The FC can always be used, the evo runes come in handy, the gold earned helps occasionally. You can always sell extra evo shards the SoW helps build reserves for future use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzleloader View Post
    You didnt also take into account some of the other dropped materials that are needed in the game. The FC can always be used, the evo runes come in handy, the gold earned helps occasionally. You can always sell extra evo shards the SoW helps build reserves for future use.
    All of these things drop at higher rates in other places. Except maybe SoW. I have these in spades, but I guess they're worth a mention.

    The real point of this post was evaluating the value of Dungeon shards, which seem not all that valuable.

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