November 2020, Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[Durandal_LOTB]

This is the main post to discuss tuning changes that are in an upcoming update.

You can see the details for the preliminary tuning adjustments in the Game Updates forum post.

[Geodude]

Since the Killer will now only inflict passive disable after an action, does this mean that he will no longer be effective against and able to disable the passives of toons that specifically say 'This passive can only be disabled at the start of battle'?
That's going to remove one of his main uses. That'll really suck.

[AndyCatzo]

Since the Killer will now only inflict passive disable after an action, does this mean that he will no longer be effective against and able to disable the passives of toons that specifically say 'This passive can only be disabled at the start of battle'?
That's going to remove one of his main uses. That'll really suck.

I agree, I use him a lot because of that but it looks like they went the easy way instead of just trying to fix him, we all know that the killer is bugged and that his passive sometimes acts really weird

[Fudjo]

I like these tuning changes.

(But please update Rush talismans. Pleeeeeeeez!)

[URock]

No awakenable sandworm.
So sad...;-)

[Maiden]

Oh so welcoming to hear those changes and updates!

Thanks for your recent work and improving/fixing things like Daedalus and stuff. Now the Killer... FINALLY! I'm not sure if I like his "reboot" but I can't say is a bad fix, cos I rather the toon (any) working propperly and predictable and not overjumping talismans and creating impossible situations.

Maybe in the future we could have a few more toons (newer) with the option to Disable the oponents at the start of the battle.

We still need some fixs with the Revenge situation, it's been here for months... Toons revenge twice after you attack them, and talismans that stop revenge (after a time) just stop working. You can cleary check this specially agains Baphomet Raid. He revenges twices in some occassions (they take the damage from the very same toon as separate instances. Therefore erevenging twice) And if you are using a Cosmic Crimean Talisman that prevent their revenge, after some time just doesn't work anymore (and no, the toon didn't die or anything) Again, specially annoying against Baphomet X...

We all already eager for Terrible Tim! And the improvement on all those toons mentioned are promising! Thank you!

[dragonmat89]

We still need some fixs with the Revenge situation, it's been here for months... Toons revenge twice after you attack them, and talismans that stop revenge (after a time) just stop working. You can cleary check this specially agains Baphomet Raid. He revenges twices in some occassions (they take the damage from the very same toon as separate instances. Therefore erevenging twice) And if you are using a Cosmic Crimean Talisman that prevent their revenge, after some time just doesn't work anymore (and no, the toon didn't die or anything) Again, specially annoying against Baphomet X...

I don't know whether reflected damage from the first revenge might trigger a second one sometimes? I seem to recall there was a fix a long time ago to reduce counter/counter-counter/counter-counter/counter... endless loops and reflected damage endless loops between two characters but can't remember whether the counter/reflected damage interaction was included in this.

[BeachPlease]

Hi, an enemy can revenge twice due to the additional damage our characters make, for example, Ragnarok talismans or Black Beard Eddie.
I see now that they have fixed the Beast, because he dealt damage after each enemy's action and they avenged him. That was way too detrimental to the player.

The Killer's fixing was very necessary, unexplainable things happened in battle and he acted as a Ghost of the Navigator. The new basic is excelent but the power move doesn't sound very convincing to me

[Maiden]

I don't know whether reflected damage from the first revenge might trigger a second one sometimes? I seem to recall there was a fix a long time ago to reduce counter/counter-counter/counter-counter/counter... endless loops and reflected damage endless loops between two characters but can't remember whether the counter/reflected damage interaction was included in this.

Now you mentioned, those bugs still exists as well!!! Just in my experience, are less common than the double revenge or least no so problematic against Baphomet xD

Overal:

- Double revenge triggered because of the same attack counted as separated attacks. (Put Cosmic Trooper Ed Talisman on and Ed and go against Baphy... you will see and thank me later... well better dont do it xD) this tali deals 6 hits of Additional True Damage to random enemies equal to 66% of your MISSING HP after every action. And is being counted as another separated attack (just to name one case) like if another toon were hiting the enemy. Therefore Baphy revenges twice. (Also hapens in Arena, isnt Baphy exclusive)

- Talismans that prevent revenge stop working after a number of rounds. No toon died.

- Revenge in your own turn because you attacked, had reflected damage and counter it xD

- Revenge should come from the enemy, but instead... you revenge.. not so common and I don't know when is triggered but funny to see xD

[Saints_sin]

Charlot or alchemist who will be on the paranoia bespoke