July 2021, Preliminary Tuning - DISCUSSION

[Leviathan]

Discuss the July Tuning Notes here!

Here's a link to our Preliminary Tuning Notes.

[Shaolin85london]

Thank you for revamping the talisman souls as many old set are now of not much use more than sitting in the talisman inventory. Also thank you for the inventory slot expansion.

[GrimDusk]

Lots of fun stuff coming this month, so I am going to give my thoughts as concisely as possible.

Trooper Eddie getting a rework is long overdue. He's one of the most iconic Eddies and for him to not be worth using is quite unfortunate. His skills will definitely fit the whole "bruiser support" thing he has going with the extra damage and better effects. I will say that awakening him is cool, but my one issue (if any) is that he requires a new type of shard. We already have Trooper Shards. This is a problem I also have with Ghost of the Navigator using Paranoia shards when Nautical Shards exist. I feel like every new tuning we get several different shards that make the older ones obsolete. Cyborg shards are still used for only one character.

Final Frontier Eddie getting an awakening was sort of expected. He's the only consistent character from Gauntlet, and the entire mode has his face plastered all over it. I think it'll be quite a treat to have him wreck shop.

Labyrinth getting a hard dungeon isn't surprising. That leaves us with Mystic Night as the only class restricted dungeon with no hard mode. I do wonder if the Labyrinth will be even more difficult now, with awakened Daedalus and Icarus.

This is the biggest part of the tuning notes here: Brave New World is now going to have fully separated class dungeons rather than lump magus/assassin and gunner/sentinel. That is amazing, and BNW X not dropping talismans means that there's finally a BNW level that we can farm without having inventories fill immediately.

Talisman soul update is interesting, but nothing crazy.

Summer Ride Charlotte and Chords of Command Eddie getting the ability to use bespoke talismans is nice. Chords of Command Eddie getting a visual update is also great; it was difficult to tell what he was doing with each command.

Number of the Beast Eddie/Chords of Command Eddie getting Possession updated is really good, but we don't know specifics yet. A lot of people complained about the Dark Ghost being added, as it slowed down his farming greatly.

Overall, awesome update. I look forward to seeing what's in store for August!

[dragonmat89]

Looks like some interesting changes. Will we need to re-unlock the new BNW levels? No hardship but just curious. Also, will the Trooper/Battlefield Trooper Eddie changes be reflected in US Cavalry Eddie as well or will he keep the old skillset...?

[Ruby_LOTB]

Looks like some interesting changes. Will we need to re-unlock the new BNW levels? No hardship but just curious. Also, will the Trooper/Battlefield Trooper Eddie changes be reflected in US Cavalry Eddie as well or will he keep the old skillset...?

Unlocking BNW again is a requirement. Trooper/Battlefield Trooper/U.S. Cavalry Eddies are all updated.

[dragonmat89]

Unlocking BNW again is a requirement. Trooper/Battlefield Trooper/U.S. Cavalry Eddies are all updated.

Thanks for confirming US Cavalry is being tuned too

On the discussion of Ghost/Dark Ghost I agree that having Ghost cast on your team is one of the hardest things to work against. You almost need to have perfect corruption on your team if fighting a Clairvoyant in Gauntlet to prevent being hit by the 'buff'. From an attacking point of view, having the ability to cast Ghost and then remove beneficial effects is more reliable than Dark Ghost and Permadeath just because there's a lot less inherent immunity to it.

[Fudjo]

I like these tuning notes.

[MuzakMaker]

I love the "Increse" of character slots up to 800. Makes it much easier to just drop a whole stack if you wind up going over the soul limit while grinding a keyed dungeon.

I'm still wary about Number of the Beast. For the high cost of awakening, I don't want to futz around with an enemy team that's still alive. I want to kill them outright. Ghost and dark ghost have long been what I consider the worst effects in the game and I would not waste all of that time and effort on Number of the Beast Ed to awaken him now.

[Tsuketa]

I'm with MuzakMaker. It's almost always the case that casting Dark Ghost hurts you more than it helps. You absolutely can not use a character who has the ability to Dark Ghost in autoplay. That will only hurt you.

Even worse is the longstanding bug where you attack someone and they somehow cast Ghost (the gold "buff") on 1 - 4 members of your team. I've lost gauntlet battles by killing a Clairvoyant and having my entire team get a 1 turn gold ghost, then immediately die when the current turn is over.

If I could change one thing about the game ... well, I'd make it easier to move talisman sets around. But if I could change one combat thing about the game, I'd remove ghost and dark ghost entirely.

[Olevipoeg]

I'm with MuzakMaker. It's almost always the case that casting Dark Ghost hurts you more than it helps. You absolutely can not use a character who has the ability to Dark Ghost in autoplay. That will only hurt you.

Even worse is the longstanding bug where you attack someone and they somehow cast Ghost (the gold "buff") on 1 - 4 members of your team. I've lost gauntlet battles by killing a Clairvoyant and having my entire team get a 1 turn gold ghost, then immediately die when the current turn is over.

If I could change one thing about the game ... well, I'd make it easier to move talisman sets around. But if I could change one combat thing about the game, I'd remove ghost and dark ghost entirely.

I have fought thousands of Gauntlet SSS battles. The Soul talisman never affects all your chars. If this happens, then probably because of Talisman or Passive copying positive effects. There is only 5 regular teams in SSS having Soul set. You just need to remember which ones.