Page 4 of 12 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 111
  1. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    200
    With percentage chance to effect passives this brings up a couple of questions
    Would he effect opponents prisoner ?
    Would you take into account opponents toons that have no passive like CG and AGS ?

  2. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Brazil
    OS
    Android
    Posts
    330
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicko View Post
    Agreed

    It's what I said in another thread. Nerf him, remove him, make him subject to immunity, etc and the blue bat with the Siege passive is then the next "overpowered" character...except he's not hard to get
    Would he really be? I think with the bug fix on multiple hits and freeze procs he'll be very balanced. Besides PDK and other cleanse toons counter him very good.

    "When I'm walking a dark road
    I am a man who walks alone"



    Account: Frost-6115. Feel free to check me. Actually trooper list is full, sorry

  3. #33
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    OS
    Android
    Posts
    723
    I think Prisoner should be banned from PVP. Why?
    1. All theories about making his passive not work with certain toons, only one toon at first round or whatever % for the following rounds, is changing the purpose of the Prisoner and will make a lot of people angry for not being able of using him as intended in first place in PVE.
    2. About talismans, we all have put what we considere the best talismans for our toons, and now we have to change that because of one toon, no an option.
    3. Whatever change devs decide will take sometime to be applied. And both options mentioned above will take a lot of time. I think devs should concentrate on what they offered long time ago, sacrifice or BNW.

  4. #34
    Senior Member Nicko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Chicago
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    1,328
    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Would he really be? I think with the bug fix on multiple hits and freeze procs he'll be very balanced. Besides PDK and other cleanse toons counter him very good.
    I don't see how Cleanse would help - I'm not talking about removing negative effects.

    I'm saying Siege neuters passives similar to a Prisoner. Kills Troll shields etc. Nerf the Prisoner and all you're doing is giving a much more common character - the Angel of Pain - the ability to do what the Prisoner is doing now
    Nicko-0517

  5. #35
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    207
    Quote Originally Posted by R1ck View Post
    2. About talismans, we all have put what we considere the best talismans for our toons, and now we have to change that because of one toon, no an option.
    Well, since it sounds like new talismans have been planned for a while (before the PVP Beta?), and those may offer ways to counter the passive, it's probably just best to wait and see what will come of it and then decide if more needs to be done to the Prisoner (I'm guessing not). I don't think it's very reasonable to rule out new talisman sets because we already have the ones we want, that would make the game stagnant. Although I do understand the concern of creating a new set of talismans just to solve this problem, as it could be buggy, take a a long time, and possibly upset other balances. But if it's happening anyway, let's see what they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicko View Post
    I don't see how Cleanse would help - I'm not talking about removing negative effects.

    I'm saying Siege neuters passives similar to a Prisoner. Kills Troll shields etc. Nerf the Prisoner and all you're doing is giving a much more common character - the Angel of Pain - the ability to do what the Prisoner is doing now
    I think what they mean is that Cleanse is a counter-counter to Siege blocking immunity passives - that is, blue bat blocks your Hellhound's 1st turn immunity, and you wind up getting frozen, but PDK automatically cleanses a random ally. It's not a 1:1 counter, but I think there are more small counters like that that makes Siege not nearly as OP as Passive Aggression. Particularly because Siege doesn't block all passives, so it's only useful against a handful of toons (not everyone with a passive, like the Prisoner).
    Arcturus-1987

  6. #36
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Brazil
    OS
    Android
    Posts
    330

    Wrong Nicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicko View Post
    I don't see how Cleanse would help - I'm not talking about removing negative effects.

    I'm saying Siege neuters passives similar to a Prisoner. Kills Troll shields etc. Nerf the Prisoner and all you're doing is giving a much more common character - the Angel of Pain - the ability to do what the Prisoner is doing now
    Nicki you are wrong here. The way Siege and Passive Aggression work is way different.

    Passive Aggression disables all passives. Siege reduce the duration of buffs by one per round.

    Siege for example does not disables Cleanse, so evento ir your team is frozen in your turn at least one toon will bem cleansed so you can counter the enemy team. My winrate against blue bat and death dog going second is 90℅. I used to hate having a couple PDK, now I just love it.

    As I said Siege has its counters, Passive Aggression no

    "When I'm walking a dark road
    I am a man who walks alone"



    Account: Frost-6115. Feel free to check me. Actually trooper list is full, sorry

  7. #37
    Senior Member scott-5496's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Scotland
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    1,732
    I like the idea of talisman that would help counter the Prisoner - leave him as he is I think as less complicated and gives us something to aim for in getting the new talisman. I have a Prisoner but not in PVP yet so never really used him for the grind so I have never used him enough to know his value in a 'real' setting. His time will come I am sure. For now I would leave him and keep him a unique character. Work on talisman sets that can weaken his passive I think sounds best and easiest. This them means less moans from those who have him (I do have him as I said but not really bothered using him much as not full power on talisman yet) and some new talisman we all have to try to get to counter?

    Great original post and nice to see you guys working with the community on this.

    Cheers
    "We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies" - Two Minutes to Midnight - Powerslave

    scott-5496

  8. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    200
    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Nicki you are wrong here. The way Siege and Passive Aggression work is way different.

    Passive Aggression disables all passives. Siege reduce the duration of buffs by one per round.

    Siege for example does not disables Cleanse, so evento ir your team is frozen in your turn at least one toon will bem cleansed so you can counter the enemy team. My winrate against blue bat and death dog going second is 90℅. I used to hate having a couple PDK, now I just love it.

    As I said Siege has its counters, Passive Aggression no
    FFS frost nothing is like passive aggression that's the whole point of this thread which you inspired and you have taken this off topic.
    I get what nicko is saying even if you don't

  9. #39
    Senior Member Nicko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Chicago
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    1,328
    I just have a sneaking suspicion replacing Prisoners with a blue bat/DM combo is not going to alleviate complaints of "He who goes first wins"


    But if PDK works for you that's cool. By the way Frost - your AoS is a beast!
    Nicko-0517

  10. #40
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Tidewater, VA
    OS
    iOS
    Posts
    165
    I get that PvP will be the way of the future for LotB. Totally understandable, as the endless grind for materials is not really sustainable. However, we will still have to grind the campaign for talismans, runes, and gold, and the LoL for shards. The Prisoner is a nice addition to some parties for those other aspects.

    It's pretty obvious that the Prisoner was not designed with PvP in mind, and that's perfectly OK. So why the effort to fit a square peg in a round hole? If you (the Developers) don't think the Prisoner will work without major revisions, just pull it out of PvP altogether.

    To me, about the ONLY thing he has going for him is his passive. Without it, he is a mediocre, single target attacker. Even with maxed shards and talismans. Having his passive only work on a percent check/first round/susceptible to immunity (don't get that one at all, Immunity comes off a passive, right?), takes the Prisoner right out of the niche role and puts him on the Isle of Lost Toons.

    Ban the Prisoner from PvP to keep him as a viable option for the rest of the game. It's OK. The world won't end.

    Besides, it's not like we can actually use any old toon for PvP anyways. It's not a level playing field to begin with. If it was, we would be having this discussion about all of the Corrupt Ox Cultists that are ruining the hell out of PvP for everybody!

    P.S.- Sparton- love the idea of involving the community in discussions like this. Tapping into the group mind for something like this is a terrific approach. I hope you guys continue this!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •